Boehner: No chance for "clean" bill on debt limit

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Source: cbs



With the fight over a spending bill settled (for now), another fight is brewing in Washington over raising the debt ceiling.

President Obama, who is advocating to raise the level at which the U.S. government is legally permitted to borrow, so as not to cause a default on payments, has said he wants to see a "clean" bill on the matter - one without attachments.

The leading Republicans in the House says no way.

On Saturday night House Speaker John Boehner declared, "The president says, 'I want you to send me a clean bill.' Guess what, Mr. President. Not a chance you're going to get a clean bill."



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/10/ftn/main20052567.shtml

[Taitertots]

1. And Obama should refuse to sign it.....

The Democratic Senate should refuse to pass it.

They won't. But there is no reason for them to capitulate without making any effort.

[Iliyah]

3. These people

are back stabers, and are riding on the backs of America. They need to be voted out but in the mean time, we got to deal with their fearmongoring and bullshit lies. Maybe thats why they are using Trump to distract their not so smart base with this birther crap. Or maybe their base is completely out of it. Their base will hurt like the rest of us, I feel no pitty for them.

[subterranean]

2. Lather, rinse, repeat.

The debt limit will be the next thing for the Repigs to hold hostage. They'll make extreme demands such as the privatization of Medicare, the elimination of Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and immediate repeal of the estate tax. Then, at the last minute, they'll "compromise" and just settle for drastic cuts (plus maybe a few corporate tax breaks thrown in for good measure).

[dvduval]

4. Veto Power?

There is a reason the President was given the power of the veto. So he/she can use it!
I think we have all be waiting for Obama to do something significant for a long while now, and nothing. I really don't get it. I hope one day I will understand.

[midnight armadillo]

8. how about a flat tax!

you know, while they're at it...

[and-justice-for-all]

12. I would go for a vat tax...

like they do in Europe as well as fair taxation with a single rate nation wide, say 12% rate for everyone including corporations.

[subterranean]

19. A VAT with a flat 12% income tax for everyone? Seems very regressive to me.

But I would go for a VAT if we get single payer health care with it.

[and-justice-for-all]

20. thats fair...

we would not need that 12% is all the US occuaptions were stopped, most US overseas bases closed and the pentagon budget cut significantly.

[msongs]

5. setting up Obama for the next cave after their victory the other day nt

[Fearless]

6. He's asking for a compromise not a demand.

Which is why we will lose again in the end. He will compromise the compromise and give the Rethugs something they don't deserve. The bargain should be in exchange for something we want the country doesn't default. They compromise to a "no riders" bill. NOT they start with a "no riders" bill and we end up gouging the middle class and working poor AGAIN this week.

[The Magistrate]

7. The Reply Must Be, Ma'am, Clean Bill Or A Vetoed Bill

These dogs have to be whipped back into their kennels....

[rubberducky]

13. +1

:applause: :applause: :applause: Very aptly put, Sir!

[CC]

9. I think Boehner will have more pressure

on him than Dems or voters. I can't see a way that any corporation would want the world to even think we were going to default on our loans. Do the teapublicans really want to be seen as the cause of a world wide depression?

[northoftheborder]

10. Blackmail

[and-justice-for-all]

11. I would veto every bill these clowns wanted passed...nt

[lobodons]

14. Clean bill or I will Veto it should be Obama's response

Give me a clean bill or I will Veto it should be Obama's response. Balls in your court Boner.

[Metta]

15. Obama will cave and cover it with posturing, yet again.

Happy karma, Mr. President.

[lib2DaBone]

16. What is with Obama? Is he a Stockholm prisoner? Why does he cave so easily?

Obama is a totally owned and controlled puppet of Wall Street... but the big question is..WHY?

Even if Goldman Sachs promised Obama a cushy Desk job...would this be enough of a pay off to motivate a man to sell out the entire country?

How are they controlling Obama? There must be an answer... What gives?

[shanti]

23. lots of us

keep asking that question, but strangely, no answer is forthcoming. :shrug:

[NoodleyAppendage]

27. Absent father syndrome.

Obama seeks consensus because he craves the admiration of powerful figures that surround him. He is forever on the quest to seek approval from father figures.

J

[DCBob]

17. I think the GOPers are going to cave on this one.. this is quite a different matter from the budget.

If we hit the debt ceiling we would begin to default on financial obligations which would adversely affect bonds, the dollar, the stock market and ultimately both domestic and international economy... and investor's portfolios.. including rich Republicans.

[DallasNE]

18. Boehner And The GOP Have No Hole Cards To Play

So they will huff and puff until the last minute when they will again blink. Sure, they will try to add drama and score some talking points but in the end they will blink because they really don't have any cards to play.

[brandywine]

21. Why should he deviate from what has worked in the past? Twice.

Prepare for deja vu, all over again.

[shanti]

22. did ANYONE say anything like this to *ush??

i think not.

[primavera]

24. Is anyone aware of any legitimate reason...

... why riders should be allowed at all in the first place? I often think that it would go a long way towards improving the quality of public policy if we simply amended Congressional rules to prohibit attaching unrelated bits and pieces to legislation. The very notion that legislators can use riders as a way of holding an unrelated piece of legislation hostage seems contrary to the whole idea of democratic governance. Am I missing something?

[BumRushDaShow]

29. "Am I missing something?"

Yeah, unfortunately the last raise in the minimum wage was done by using such a rider, the only way to get it past the pukes.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/24/news/economy/minimum_wage/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/24/news/economy/minimum_wage/index.htm

I would agree that non-budgetary riders should be off the budget bills though. :hi:

[primavera]

30. I was afraid you were going to say something like that

Nonetheless, it seems like there's something seriously wrong if the only way to get legislation passed is not on its merits, but by sneaking it into some must-pass bill, even if it is being done by Dems for a good purpose. Needless to say, it's much worse when Repukes do it. ;-)

[NoodleyAppendage]

25. To which, if Obama was the President we wanted, he would say, "Then you will be to blame..."

...for allowing the US to default on loans and lose our credit rating. You and your party have chosen to put your pet issues above the welfare of the United States. Why do you and your party hate America, Mr. Speaker?"

But, Obama won't say that. He is not likely to say anything other than "where can I meet you right of center, Mr. Speaker?"

J

[Guilded Lilly]

26. Of course not. Dirty Bills are Republican specialties.

[Thor_MN]

28. So that "Up or Down" rhetoric a while back was just bullcrap?

Hell, the Bush Tax giveaways to the wealthy are a mjor reason the Debt ceiling needs to be raised. Boner fought for giving money to the rich, but now he doesn't want to pay for it.