Conservative group submits second recall petition of Wisconsin Democratic Senator

[jtrockville]

Source: Associated Press, via The Greenfield Reporter

MADISON, Wis. — A conservative group has filed the signatures needed to force a recall election of a second Democratic Wisconsin senator over his stance on Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining law.


Read more: http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/5feb27146f0145cbb278b44c1e67a669/WI--Wisconsin-Recalls-Holperin/

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The first petition to recall a democrat, filed earlier today, was for Dave Hansen of Green Bay. A third petition is expected to be filed today to recall democratic Senator Robert Wirch.

So far, 5 wisconsin republican senators have had petitions filed to recall them.

Both republicans and democrats each have 8 senators eligible for recall.

[Iliyah]

1. I'm sorry but I find

these petitions to be suspect. I find anything the the gopers do suspect. Wonder how much money the Koch Brothers paid for the signatures.

[jtrockville]

5. I tend to agree. Nonetheless, they were filed.

It really seems like the GOP was caught by surprise when they realized there would actually be petitions filed against republican senators. So they sort of got caught with their pants down, and did who knows what to gather those signatures.

IF the signatures weren't legitimately obtained (not sayin' they were or weren't), whether or not the recall committee catches it, I doubt it will turn out well for republicans in the recall election.

[EC]

2. In the local news today,

Wirch said there is an investigation of how signatures were gotten. Many constituents filed complaints against the signature gatherers for deceptive practices. So I'm not sure how many of their signatures will pass muster.

[Drale]

3. I was just thinking that

I'm guessing they lied to people about what they where signing.

[Zambero]

6. The recall petitioners were using this pitch:

Are you a supporter of Senator XXXXX?

Would you like to see him on the ballot?

Good then, just sign here!

If the second question had taken it a bit further and asked "Would you like to see him on the ballot in a recall election to remove him from office?", there wouldn't be any allegation of fraud. But the actual intent of the petition as contrasted to the misleading way in which it was pitched makes an excellent case for fraud.

[jtrockville]

4. UPDATE: Petition was filed to recall third democratic senator: Wirch

Robert Wirch of Pleasant Prairie
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110421/APC0101/110421046/Petitions-submitted-recall-state-Democratic-senators-Hansen-Holperin

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. Wis. Dems: We Will Challenge GOP 'Racket' Of Recall Signatures

Wisconsin Democrats, who have been waging a campaign to recall Republican state senators and take a majority back in the chamber, are now firing back at the Republican counter-campaigns to recall the Dems. On a conference call with reporters on Thursday morning, state Dem chair Mike Tate and attorney Jeremy Levinson predicted that they would able to successfully challenge the validity of much of the signature-gathering effort by Republicans -- which Tate repeatedly called a "racket."

"At the heart of the Republican effort from the start was a mercenary spirit that naturally used deception and fraud to gain signatures," charged Tate. "In the coming days, you will see affidavits from citizens in these targeted districts who were deceived into signing petitions by the Republican roadies who often refused to identify themselves by their real names."

In particular, Tate said that the Republicans brought in paid signature gatherers from out of state, who were paid on a per-signature basis, and that some of these gatherers had criminal records.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/wis-dems-we-will-challenge-gop-racket-of-recall-signatures.php

:D

[Kolesar]

9. "To circulate a petition, you either need to be a qualified elector [voter] in wisconsin or ..."

"... eligible to be a qualified elector in Wisconsin."

[jtrockville]

10. Anyone know the process from here?

Is there a recall committee who reviews the petitions and deems them legit or not?

[rasputin1952]

8. I believe many of the signatures will not pass scrutiny...

Some of those that on the recall for the R Senators will not pass scrutiny either, but reason tells me that the GOP push for recalling D Senators is skewed beyond anything one might consider reality. The GOP appears to be incapable of winning without some nefarious situation behind their "wins". Just looking at the recent "Prosser Situation", even if it were an honest error, cannot remove the stench of somehow "cheating" to attain a gain.

A few elections back, a trash-man found hundreds of (uncounted) ballots for D's in a dumpster, (can't remember where it was), that were placed there by a GOP poll worker. To some, this may seem like a "minor" infraction of sorts...to me, it borders on Treason. I want every ballot honestly counted, I may not like the winner, but I want to make sure that every citizen's vote counted; I can accept a defeat, but I cannot accept anyone's vote being tampered with.

I believe there should be a Federal Law, conviction of vote manipulation/fraud, and automatic 20 year sentence w/o chance for parole; never being able to hold a position of Public Trust.

Ann Coulter still walks free after voting in CN and FL in the same election...if that were you or I, we would be in very serious trouble.

[iwishiwas]

11. Group submits third recall for state Democrat

Source: Associated Press madison.com




Group submits third recall for state Democrat

Associated Press madison.com | (29) Comments | Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:15 am


A conservative group has filed the signatures needed to force a recall election for a third Democratic Wisconsin senator over his stance on Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining law.

The committee to recall Robert Wirch of Pleasant Prairie has more than the 13,500 signatures needed. Election officials will have 31 days to review the signatures, unless a court grants an extension..................



Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_628e1da8-6c23-11e0-a905-001cc4c03286.html

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Drats!

[Ian David]

12. Some of the signatures were collected by misleading people.

"Hi, would you like to see Democratic Senator X on the ballot again?"

"Oh, Yes! I LOVE Senator X!"

"Great! Just sign here, please."

[LeFleur1]

13. Par

They are sneaky. They lie and they cheat. How else do the Republicans get anything done?

[KansDem]

14. "Third recall?"

How many attempts do they get?

Don't you think reasonable folks might concede after the second try?

[Tansy_Gold]

16. I believe the headline meant that a petition for the recall of a third

senator has been filed, and not that a petition to recall any individual has been submitted a third time.

But I could be wrong.


TG

[KansDem]

17. That makes sense...

Thanks...:hi:

on edit: That's what the article says! ...filed the signatures needed to force a recall election for a third Democratic Wisconsin senator :silly:...nyuck, nyuck!

[Tansy_Gold]

18. It's okay.

I've never maed a mistake in my hole life, so.. . .

:hi:

[jwirr]

15. Question: Are most of those 14 Democrats from safe districts? If so

they are wasting their time recalling them.

[Zambero]

19. ! would hazard a guess...

That the "pendulum swing" observed in the 2010 election could be interpreted as a momentary screening process in which a large number of Democrats in historically marginal districts lost seats to the Republicans. The Democrats that survived should be in an even better position today, given the blowback from Walker & Co's shameful actions. The real worry should be amongst the Republicans -- the ones that won in Districts that were also marginal or competitive. The GOP has neither the strong grass roots effort or any benefit from what would be perceived today as being on the good side of the worker's rights issue. Which is why they stand to lose their majority.

[jwirr]

20. Good, thank you.