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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:13 PM
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(Tenet) Doesn't Recall 2001 Tx. Trip (CIA says he went 8/17/01)
14 Apr 2004 21:04:12 GMT

CIA director doesn't recall trip to Texas in 2001


WASHINGTON, April 14 (Reuters) - CIA Director George Tenet insisted he had no contact with the president who was vacationing in Texas during the month before the Sept. 11 attacks. But he was mistaken.

A CIA spokesman later said Tenet had in fact gone to Texas during August of that year to brief President George W. Bush.

"I didn't see the president. I was not in briefings with him during this time. He was on vacation. I was here," Tenet told the commission investigating the attacks on Wednesday....

***

The CIA spokesman said Tenet had flown to Texas on Aug. 17, 2001, to brief the president.


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14343033.htm
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:14 PM
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1. Is he a heavy social drinker too?
n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:23 PM
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4. LOL!
You're right -- another article currently on LBN might suggest that --
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:16 PM
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2. UH
I think he would remember that.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:21 PM
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3. this smells like a cover-up
now they'll going to need to produce his ticket for Crawford
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:23 PM
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5. It's believable
Why would anyone remember a meeting with President Bush? He's such an idiot that any serious person would regard such a meeting as a complete waste of time.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:27 PM
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6. WTF is going on with our "leaders"?! I want proof n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:30 PM
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7. so is there another PDB?
wonder if the 9/11 commission knows or haven't they seen it either. :eyes:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:37 PM
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8. But Tenet didn't brief the pResident on Aug 6th, 2001?
Now granted, there is no where that I can find, where anyone of them ever said Tenet briefed the pResident on August 6th, but they certainly implied that he did many times. Condi testified that Tenet met with the pResident on a daily basis? A daily basis, except for the entire month of August, 2001 and every other day that the pResident wasn't available?

Now Tenet can't remember if he had to go to Crawford Tx in the middle of friggen August, to a pig farm? And he's running the CIA? Toto, this isn't Kansas any more?
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:48 PM
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10. Hey, just follow the yellow brick road
Remember, there was that vast field full of mind-numbing poppies (bad) and stimulating snow flakes (good)just before Dorothy reached the Emerald City to see the man behind the curtain.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:51 PM
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12. I think a lower-level official briefed 8/6 --
I'm trying to find some kind of link.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:32 PM
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25. yes
a lower level official did the briefing on 8/6. If you've heard Tenet, that's probably just a misunderstanding like the Atta passport thing (Satam al Suqami's passport was found in the WTC wreckage, not Atta's).
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:47 PM
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9. Has anyone heard this reported on any evening news broadcast?
Thanks.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:50 PM
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11. Sounds like somebody is setting Tenet up.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:53 PM
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13. wonder who if CIA spokeperson was
Karen Hughes
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:02 PM
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14. I think Tenet is setting them up...IMO he looked very calm and cool today.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:04 PM
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15. From NYT: Tenet briefed Bush twice in August, in Tx and D.C.
C.I.A. Chief Defends Agency but Allows 'We Made Mistakes'
By TERENCE NEILAN and DAVID STOUT

Published: April 14, 2004


...Mr. Tenet's testimony before the panel was followed a few hours later by an abrupt reversal in which he corrected himself. The director had told one panel member, Timothy J. Roemer, a Democratic former congressman from Indiana, that while other C.I.A. personnel had briefed President Bush during the summer of 2001, he himself did not talk to the president that month.

But this afternoon, a C.I.A. spokesman, Bill Harlowe, said the director may have misunderstood the question. Mr. Harlowe said Mr. Tenet had indeed briefed Mr. Bush that month — at his ranch in Texas on Aug. 17 and on Aug. 31 in Washington. Nothing out of the ordinary was talked about, said the C.I.A. official who corrected Mr. Tenet....


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/politics/14CND-PANE.html?hp
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:07 PM
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16. Maybe Tenet is sick of the whole thing and wants Bush to explain
What do you think?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:10 PM
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18. thanks for the link
so Tenet met w/ bush* 2x in August...what was the topic of discussion?
Obviously not AQ and Bin Laden.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:44 PM
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38. He may have misunderstood the question????????
No wonder 9/11 occurred on these guys' watch. It's a wonder OBL didn't take over the White House while they were looking for their shoes.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:07 PM
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17. We need the PDB for 8/17/01.
Or, just an answer to the question "Does it mention al Queda or UBL?".

Then, we'll see where that leads. Ah, tangled webs.

:evilgrin:

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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:38 PM
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36. "Or, just an answer to the question 'Does it mention al Queda or UBL?'."
If we just get the "answer", would you like to bet that the answer is, "The 17 Aug PDB mentions nothing specific, merely historical information."

Of course, I would probably bet that this will be much he same utterance if the title of the 17 Aug PDB was "OBL Will Strike US in September Via Hijacking".
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:00 PM
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40. Some interesting dates.
ROEMER: And do you have the information at that point on Moussaoui?

TENET:: Yes, I was briefed on Moussaoui in late August.

ROEMER: August what?

TENET:: I believe it's the 23rd or the 24th.

ROEMER: August 23rd or 24th. Is Mr. Pavitt or Mr. McLaughlin briefed on that as well?

MCLAUGHLIN: Yes, sir. I was briefed, I think, several days before. The director was out of town. I heard it first in a very abbreviated manner. And then I think the director was briefed in a...

ROEMER: What was the date that you were briefed?

MCLAUGHLIN: I can't recall.

-------

Tenet's briefed about the same day(?) he meets(?) with Shrub. And his fellow spook is briefed several days earlier, perhaps about the time of the meet on the 17th(?).

And, you know, I see a little of smug Johnny Asshat in aWol. I wonder if the preznit ever told Tenet he didn't want to hear all that crazy Arab terrist crap?

:evilgrin:

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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:18 PM
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41. "a little of smug Johnny"? Which is more extreme - a Smug or a Smirk?
I think we can all hear both mouthing the same garbage.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:10 PM
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19. Umm...hate to rain on any parade...
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 06:19 PM by Angel_O_Peace
but Tenet did go to TX Aug. 24, 2001.
<snip>
The CIA briefings, I have on our porch, the end of our porch looking out over the lake. When Tenet came up, that's where we visited, out there.

You know, everybody wants to see the ranch, which I'm proud to show it off. So George Tenet and I -- yesterday, we piled in the new nominees for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Vice Chairman and their wives and went right up the canyon.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010825-2.html

on edit: HOWEVER, this doesn't jive with the date of the above-referenced article. And considering that there were so many news wire service reporters there for that tour, am NOT finding any articles that mention Tenet other than the WH one. Could this WH page have been doctored?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:15 PM
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20. So now Tenet's briefed Bush Aug. 17, 24 and 31?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:18 PM
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21. perhaps, but probably not about AQ or bin Laden n/t
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:22 PM
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22. Although there's a WH memo release about * mentioning Tenet
there are no AP, UPI or Reuters articles that mention Tenet, or *'s reference to him being there the day before, during the tour * gave Aug. 25, 2001. The ONLY reference can be found on the WH release. Could the WH have doctored this just today?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:29 PM
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24. wouldn't put it passed them
they've been trying to hang out the CIA for a while. BTW, anyone heard any news on the Plame incident?
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:11 PM
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29. we have three briefings
now folks...three briefings....four anybody, can anybody find me four briefings? Tenet is a dumb as all the others.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:23 PM
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31. That makes sense. It's every 7 days. .....n/t
TYY
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:26 PM
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23. That's the one Condi refused to answer, non? "I'll get back to you"
Didn't they ask her if W met with "the principals" after the August 6 memo?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:36 PM
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26. Here's the transcript, from NYT --
ROEMER: Would it have made any difference if you had mentioned -- did you ever mention it (note: I think Roemer is referring to Moussaoui, and possibly flight school training), for instance, to the president -- your briefing the president from August 6th on?

TENET:: I didn't see the president. I was not in briefings with him during this time. He was on vacation. I was here.

ROEMER: You didn't see the president between August 6, 2001, and September 10th?

TENET:: Well, no. Before -- saw him after Labor Day, to be sure.

ROEMER: So you saw him September 4th -- at the principals' meeting?

TENET:: It was not at principals' meeting.

ROEMER: Well, you don't see him...

TENET:: Condoleezza Rice -- Condoleezza -- I saw him in this time frame, to be sure.

ROEMER: OK. I'm just confused. You see him on August 6th with the PDB.

TENET:: No, I do not, sir. I'm not there.

ROEMER: OK. You're not -- when do you see him in August?

TENET:: I don't believe I do.

ROEMER: You don't see the president of the United States once in the month of August?

TENET:: He's in Texas and I'm either here or on leave for some of that time, so I'm not here.

ROEMER: So who's briefing him on the PDBs?

TENET:: The briefer, himself. We have a presidential briefer.

ROEMER: But you never get on the phone or in any kind of conference with him to talk at this level of high chatter and huge warnings during the spring and summer to talk to him through the whole month of August?

TENET:: We talked to him directly throughout the spring and early summer almost every day.

ROEMER: But not in August?

TENET:: In this time period, I'm not talking to him, no.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/politics/14TEXT-PANEL.html?pagewanted=21
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:49 PM
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27. DeepModem Mom
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
news source.

Thank you.


DU Moderator
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:53 PM
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28. Transcripts of government proceedings
are not subject to copyright law.

Though it might be best to copy the transcript directly from the 9-11 Commission website, rather than the NY Times.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:15 PM
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30. Reuters: Moussaoui Riddle Hangs Over 9/11 Hearings
Moussaoui Riddle Hangs Over 9/11 Hearings

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:16 p.m. ET
By Deborah Charles


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Does accused Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui hold the key to what some have called the greatest intelligence failure in U.S. history?...

***

Moussaoui was the subject of a report entitled "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly" submitted to senior CIA officials in late August 2001....

***

....In late August, CIA chief George Tenet and other top CIA officials were told of the case.

(Asked on Wednesday if he had ever mentioned Moussaoui's arrest to President Bush, Tenet) said he did not tell Bush or bring it to the attention of other senior officials. A report issued by the panel earlier said Tenet had said no connection between Moussaoui and al Qaeda was apparent to him before Sept. 11....


http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=851377&tw=wn_wire_story
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:12 PM
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32. Indict Tenant for perjury immediately
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 08:15 PM by mouse7
The CIA is claiming Tenant lied under oath.

Indict him for perjury. Make him take the stand, and swear to which story is true.

I'm tired of the lies from the neo-cons. Truth matters. Time to make them realize that.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:49 PM
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33. MAYBE TENANT WENT TO CRAWFORD FOR BBQ
but didn't "brief" the president. I guarantee you that the president did not want to be troubled with any of that downer terror news. I think Tenant is setting up the president. The president hasn't fired Tenant for a reason - and I think it's because Tenant was an eyewitness to Bush being asleep at the switch.
:mad:
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:31 PM
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34. I think Dr. Rice testified that she could not remember if she had
been in Crawford in August. They both must have met the
Men In Black and had one of those little flashy moments.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:46 PM
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39. LOL! Good one.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:34 PM
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35. Tenet routinely lies at hearings
he must be effectively allowed to do so, because sometimes it's very obvious.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:41 PM
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37. WHY would he be lying ???
WHY
WHY
WHY ???

He's got the goods on the Chimp, why isn't he showing us his cards !?!


:hippie:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:47 PM
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43. Please back that statement up
"Tenet routinely lies at hearings"
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:41 PM
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42. I don't like Tenet at all.
He comes across as snide and arrogant. His head should roll and the only reason it won't is because he's covering for Dubya and Dubya knows it.
Even though 9-11 is a huge security screw up, no heads are rolling because our top officials are afraid of each other. They know if one of them goes down, he or she will finger the rest of them. So they all commit a conspiracy of silence. What a bunch of jerks!

:kick:
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