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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:22 PM
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Spain to legalise gay marriage
Edited on Thu Apr-15-04 06:24 PM by Quetzal
Spain to legalise gay marriage

Incoming Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero says Spain will legalise homosexual marriages and grant equal rights to gay couples.

The move is likely to stir controversy in one of Europe's most Catholic countries as the Vatican condemns same-sex unions.

Homosexuality was banned under Spanish dictator Francisco Franco.

Spain's Catholic bishops have already spoken out strongly against the adoption of children by homosexual couples.

But Zapatero has told parliament the moment has finally arrived to end what he says is the intolerable discrimination which many Spaniards suffer because of their sexual preferences.

His comments were made during a debate which will end with a vote to confirm him in office.

http://afr.com/articles/2004/04/16/1082055612905.html

La Rioja and Barcelona, here I come!!!

Spain To Legalize Gay Marriage

(Madrid) Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero told Parliament Thursday that he intends to move forward with plans to legalize gay marriage and grant equal rights to gay couples.

"The moment has finally arrived to end once and for all the intolerable discrimination which many Spaniards suffer because of their sexual preferences," Zapatero said during a debate which will end with a vote to confirm him in office.

"Homosexuals and transsexuals deserve the same public consideration as heterosexuals," he said. "As a result we will modify the Civil Code to recognize their equal right to marriage with the resulting effects over inheritance, labor rights and social security protection."

The move follows a pledge Zapatero's Socialist party made to woo gay voters in the last election. Last month, immediately following the election, he repeated the pledge in a television interview. (story) But, this is the first time, he has announced his intentions in Parliament.

http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/04/041504spain.htm

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:27 PM
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1. wooohooooo!
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:28 PM
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2. now that looks like a country on the road to a true democracy
good for them. Discrimination, hate, and bigotry only lead to hate, wars, bullying, and other crimes. Let God judge at the end.

In the meantime let them live, God made them that way. Let them celebrate who they are, now.
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ezee Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:52 PM
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14. Thank YOU
with people like you the world is sure to be a bewtter place, forever.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:28 PM
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3. Question do other countries have to recognize people legally married in
Spain?
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:30 PM
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7. Not sure
If two gay married couples were entering the US, I believe they could not classify themselves as a "married" couple. Customs would make them sign individual documents.

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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:32 PM
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8. I like to know on what basis they could not recognize it if it is legal
under the law of another country.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:34 PM
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9. There is a precedent
I am not a lawyer, but when two gay men married in Canada last year and tried to enter the US as a married couple, customs made them sign documents classifying themselves as individuals.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:35 PM
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10. Really based on what. If and american citizen went to spain why would
they have to sign documents to get back in the country?
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:59 AM
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22. Unfortunately, no
With the exception of the EU, which has a common legal framework where mutual recognition of civil marital status is laid down, there is no legal instrument (obligation) that “forces” other states to accept same-sex marriage certificates extended in Spain.

With issues such as those related to custody, liability, and inheritance that can become rather messy; I suspect that it'll take a challenge presented (ultimately) to the SCOTUS involving US citizen(s) with a marriage certificate extended in the EU to settle that for the US.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:29 PM
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4. gay folks be settling down...


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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:29 PM
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5. WOO-HOO
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:30 PM
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6. Spain has acquired a soul.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:41 PM
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12. They didn't have one before? Whaddya mean?
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:56 PM
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16. For a long time their soul was crushed by Generalissimo Franco. n/t
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:40 PM
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11. Hell yea!
:toast:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:43 PM
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13. Zapatero!
This socialist homo has nothing but admiration for Prime Minister Zapatero.

:toast:
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:55 PM
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15. Hehehehehe
This is what happens when the Socialists take over a country! First they withdraw their troops from Iraq, and now they're allowing those homos to marry! This is what the Spaniards get for appeasing the terrorists, I tell you... oh wait, the Muslim terrorists don't even like gays? Never mind...

</sarcasm off>

Are the Freepers having a fit?

:evilgrin:

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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:18 PM
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18. They hate us for our freedom...
That's why they're letting them Gays get Marriaged.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 07:24 PM
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17. WOW!
how civilized!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:27 PM
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19. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate that supports gay marriage
Dennis is the real deal, not the phony deal.

Why settle for less when we can have someone that like Zapatero, will bring the troops home from Iraq and give GLBTs full equal rights.

Kerry also opposes including the transgendered in ENDA! While Bush is an avowed enemy of GLBTs, Kerry is no friend either!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:31 PM
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20. Zapatero!
Setting a precedent for the world. Good show!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:11 PM
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21. Man, I'm ready to move to Spain!
See what happens when you kick those RW maggots out? Rational behavior...ain't it sweet?
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:12 AM
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23. Doesn't it suck being in a country that seems to be moving backwards?
WOO HOO Spain!!
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:24 AM
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24. well, that's one way to boost tourism...
the olympics didn't pay off in the long run...maybe this will.
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