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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:35 PM
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GOP Rep. Tim Scott Warns Of Obama Impeachment
Source: News One

Rep. Tim Scott said that if President Obama should invoke a clause in the 14th Amendment in order to bypass Congress and borrow beyond the debt limit, the Republican lawmaker would consider that an act worthy of impeachment.

“This president is looking to usurp congressional oversight to find a way to get it done without us. My position is that is an impeachable act from my perspective,” said Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) at a meeting sponsored by the Tea Party group LowCountry 9.12 Project on Tuesday.

“There are a lot of things people say, ‘Are you going to impeach the president over that?’ — No. But this? This is catastrophic,” continued Scott. “This jeopardizes the credibility of our nation if one man can usurp the entire system set up by our founding fathers over something this significant.”

Read more: http://newsone.com/nation/washington-watch/newsonestaff4/tim-scott-obama-impeachment/



Perhaps the fact that Congress isn't getting it done is relevant?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:36 PM
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1. Wouldn't be convicted in a Senate with a democratic majority.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:38 PM
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3. No, but the GOP could hijack the agenda for another year or so. nt
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:47 PM
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12. They've pretty much done that already,
with their focus on everything but what is important for America's recovery. I'm sick of them. x(

:hi:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:54 PM
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37. I'd rather the Republican Congress just do nothing.
Let them try to go back to the voters on that record.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:46 PM
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10. No, But Then Neither Would a Republican President
Which is why Dems keep getting their butts kicked.
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scribble Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:03 PM
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39. Given how spineless Obama is ...
He'd probably testify for the Prosecution.


sc
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:37 PM
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2. I dunno, I would consider holding the financial health of America hostage...
just so you can get what your millionaire friends want is far more close to an impeachable offense.

But then I'm not a Republican.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:38 PM
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4. Yah, good luck with that, Tim.
Last time that happened, the Speaker of the House had to resign. Impeachment is a serious deal. It backfires more often than it succeeds. But, hey, good luck with your plans.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:39 PM
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5. Go ahead GOP! That would ensure an Obama victory next year.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 12:40 PM by Zen Democrat
And the House would go overwhelmingly blue if the Republicans got into an impeachment frenzy. They've learned NOTHING!!!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:46 PM
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11. +1
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:56 PM
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38. If Obama indicates a willingness to compromise on Social Security
and Medicare, nothing will help him get elected. Seniors will stay home. Seniors on both sides will stay home. But working class seniors who are forced into retirement either by lay-offs or health with only maybe $10,000 in savings will not be able to get to the polls. They won't have cars or the means to get there.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:40 PM
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6. Impeaching the Pres. for defending the Constitution?
That's a new level of overreach. :rofl:
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:41 PM
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7. those pesky facts again
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:00 PM
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17. Read Article I and the entire 14th amendment.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 01:01 PM by No Elephants
While you're at it, read Article II, noting what powers Article II does NOT give the POTUS.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:11 PM
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21. Read Section 4 of the 14th amendment

And the Perry vs. United States that the Supreme Court ruled on.

If Congress doesn't act, the president can.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:32 PM
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26. +1
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:44 PM
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42. To faithfully execute the law

We are talking here about spending money which has been authorized by Congress to have been spent.

Are you saying Obama should not spend money on those things for which Congress has authorized money to be spent?
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Sunglds Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:32 PM
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48. Impeachment for following the Constitution
Now that is differently a new low for the Repubs, considering they "walk/talk sleep/eat" the Constitution. Let them go for it!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:42 PM
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8. has he reounced his pension to save the taxpayers' money yet? nt
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:43 PM
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9. Bush uses The Constitution for 'our own good,' AOK.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 12:43 PM by onehandle
Black President uses The Constitution for anything, Impeachable Offense.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:51 PM
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13. Go for it, loser.
Go for it. I DARE the motherfuckers to go for it.


Go on and explain to the public how you missed out on impeaching for torture, you prick!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:59 PM
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16. Both Parties have a lot of splaining to do on that one.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:52 PM
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14. What clause in the 14th are we looking at here?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:57 PM
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15. .
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:33 AM
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56. So how does that give the President the ability to borrow money?
I have heard this argument but don't get the connection?

This says the US must pay its debts.

So if the debt limit is not raised then the US can't borrow above the debt limit to pay it's debts.

What's the connection to the 14th Amendment? I don't see it?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:36 AM
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61. I don't claim to really understand this stuff
And I certainly won't try to explain it. I've never taken a single class in constitutional law.

I was simply answering a question about which clause of the 14th amendment was being debated.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:01 PM
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18. Oh, that will be a real hit with We The People, having the Repigs impeach
every single Democratic president they have the chance to.......
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:20 PM
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46. what about Carter, LBJ, JFK, Truman, FDR?
The last president to get an impeachment before Clinton was Andrew Johnson, also a Democrat.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 07:37 PM
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52. Um, I am not referring to HISTORY. I am referring to what people will
do if they impeach Obama. Then they will have impeached two consecutive Democratic presidents, and will gladly impeach every Democratic president to come because they know they can.

You know how Repigs are.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:01 PM
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19. Why impeach a president who...
it appears will give them pretty much everything they want, given enough time.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:28 PM
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25. The gopers want their own president
to give them everything they want, i.e., complete dismantling of:

1. worker's rights/unions
2. teachers
4. nurses
5. minimum wage
6. health coverage
7. social saecurity
8. medicare/medicaid/medi-cal
9. schools
10. books
11. women's right to choose
12. taxes, everyone will have to fend for themselves and their family unless you are rich
13. must worship their religion or else

on and on
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:50 PM
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28. Only one real reason.
The racist bastard just can't stand having a President that is half Irish.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:07 PM
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20. Yeah, Repukes likely would consider following the Constitution to be an impeachable act.
They only applaud the trampling on the Constitution.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:26 PM
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23. Hey damn, see my #22!
:fistbump:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:25 PM
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22. Right, invoking the 14th Amendment to the Constitution would be an impeachable act!
:sarcasm:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:27 PM
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24. Using the Constitution for it's intent is "catastrophic"?
According to all that I've heard, no one would have standing to do anything about it, if Obama chose to use it.


And I think since Schumer is so adamant that it's not going to be used, but could the next time around, gives me thought that Obama may use it, if need be and they are keeping quiet about it.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:41 PM
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36. I think your right also using July 22 as the cut off date gives him time to do it.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 03:43 PM by oldbanjo
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:34 PM
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27. And here I thought it was courts that decided Constitutionality of something.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 01:34 PM by sinkingfeeling
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:09 PM
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29. Please. Not the Roberts court. They don't like that thing.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:29 PM
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30. If there are impeachment procedings against PO...
you can put the GOP away, again...it would be political suicide. Granted the Learning Curve is quite steep for these clowns, but impeachment proceedings from the GOP w/o a possible chance of success would set up the GOP for a huge plastering come Nov 2012. I say let the idiots give this a try, it would do nothing but embarrass them and kill off any chance for any kind of win come 2012.

I don't think the GOP would survive as a party if they tried this stunt...:D
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:35 PM
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31. A guy who has held office since January of THIS YEAR is running things?
Really?

Perhaps his inflated sense of importance needs to be brought back to reality.


TIM SCOTT WHO???????????????????
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:57 PM
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32. I mighty support this, if Biden says "NO" to SS cuts!
Obama is pisssing a lot of people off.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:05 PM
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33. Hey Fuckface! Where was your OUTRAGE when GWB did the exact
same thing daily, for 8 YEARS!

Fuck repukes...I hope they all rot in hell.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:08 PM
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34. Our Founding Fathers Did Not Put In Place A Debt Ceiling
The first debt ceiling was put in place in 1917.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/05/17/136363196/the-history-of-the-debt-ceiling

Second, it is up to the courts to determine the scope of the 14th Amendment, not the Congress. This would be tantamount to impeaching a President for having a blow job with a consenting adult, not his wife.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:27 PM
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35. The Clenis was impeached
but it was an attempted coup. He didn't want his sex life on the public record, as would any normal person. Republicans aren't normal people.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:36 AM
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57. Before 1917 the Congress had to actually vote on every single bond issuance
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 09:36 AM by Yupster
Thay had to agree by vote to the issuance of $ 1 million of bonds with an interest rate of X and a maturity date of Y.

In 1917 during WWI they decided to just set an upper limit and not vote on each individual issuance.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:00 PM
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59. That Was All In The Link I Provided n/t
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:10 PM
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40. This is a stuffed shirt and a haircut if ever there was one. What a bag of hot air.
Fear and smear. Fear and smear. It's what they do when they have nothing of substance.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:23 PM
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41. And what price should the Repugs pay for treason?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:45 PM
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43. Well aren't we in a conundrum...
If he stands up to the Tea Party then they will want to impeach him, but not have the votes. If he cuts Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid... the American people will not vote for him in 2012. Why is this so fucking difficult for him to side with the American people exactly? Even Tea Bagging Rethugs don't want Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid cut, its just the uber libertarian corporatists in Congress and the uber wealthy that do.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:08 PM
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44. Maybe cut a deal to also impeach Clarence Thomas as well!
If the Repigs don't want to impeach Clarence Thomas, no way it goes through the Senate.

If we can get the supreme court appointee to be nominated by a Democrat (whether it is someone like Biden, or someone replacing Biden at VP before Biden might step down like maybe HOWARD DEAN?), then we might have a winning deal!

Yeah, I know. I'm just dreaming of a way that we could make this work for us instead of against us!...
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FreeBillClinton Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:11 PM
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45. Impeach the President for standing behind US Debt?
I doubt that works for them.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:06 PM
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47. Visions of Frank Capra "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". Obama 2012 a sure thing if they try this.
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penndragon69 Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:36 PM
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49. republiCONS wipe their ASS with the constitution.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 06:37 PM by penndragon69
They don't give a DAMN about 90 % of America
but only the wealthy elites who control their
political Carers.

Impeach the republiCONS, for being
ECONOMIC TERRORISTS.
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:37 PM
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50. Beam yourself up, Scotty
There's obviously nothing sane going on in your cranium.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:58 PM
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51. There's a reason presidents are almost never impeached.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 06:58 PM by BlueIris
This would require that Congress, and to a larger extent, the government, take some responsibility for acknowledging there's a problem, and then, you know, demonstrate accountability by acting to remove it. That is beyond our government to do.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 02:09 AM
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53. so a Republican would impeach over a blowjob or Obama trying to counter their slash and burn tactics
but Bush lying about need for a war and violating the Geneva Convention get a pass?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:19 AM
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54. Another Rightist Coup against the Center nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:24 AM
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55. This presdient would never do anything so bold
But I guess this shot across the bow makes him tremble even more.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 02:40 PM
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58. Won't happen. They aren't that stupid.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 02:43 PM by GreenStormCloud
Obama is increasing looking like a one term president. Today's economic news is bad, unemployment is up to 9.2% with no sign of improving. Unless things turn around in a real hurry Obama may take a lot of Democrats down with him. 2012 could be a repeat of 2010. They gain more by letting Obama stay while they screw him in the House and he gets the blame.

And they remember how the Clinton impeachment turned out. They don't want a rerun of that.
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Harry Callahan Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:57 PM
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60. That has about as much of a chance of happening as....well...
as did the impeachment of the bushwhacker.
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