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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:40 AM
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U.S. Payrolls Rose 18,000 in June; Jobless Rate Climbed to 9.2%
Source: Bloomberg

U.S. employers added 18,000 workers in June, less than forecast and the fewest in nine months, while the unemployment rate unexpectedly climbed, indicating a struggling labor market.

The increase in payrolls followed a 25,000 gain that was less than half the rise initially estimated, Labor Department data showed today in Washington. The median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey called for a June gain of 105,000. The unemployment rate rose to 9.2 percent, the highest level this year. Hiring by companies, which excludes government agencies, was the weakest since May 2010.

The absence of stronger job growth caused earnings to stagnate in June, which may keep a lid on consumer spending that accounts for 70 percent of the economy. The second-quarter slowdown in hiring underscores a recovery that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said is “frustratingly slow.”

“Firms are hesitant to commit to taking on new employees when customer demand is uncertain,” Guy LeBas, chief fixed- income strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott LLC in Philadelphia, said before the report. ‘It suggests consumer demand is sputtering. We’ll see downwardly revised third-quarter forecasts.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-08/u-s-payrolls-rose-18-000-in-june-jobless-rate-climbed-to-9-2-.html



Is the President listening? THE PROBLEM IS AGGREGATE DEMAND!!!!!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:41 AM
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1. recommend
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:46 AM
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2. Obama's #1 priority: Gotta cut deficits, gotta cut entitlements
:sarcasm:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:13 AM
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9. +1
stay the course. :eyes:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:23 AM
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26. +1 nt
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:44 AM
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33. Obama is an economic dumbass
Those policies are CAUSING unemployment to rise! Stupid, fucking, supply-side fraud.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:49 AM
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3. I'm so glad we are getting the faux death match of the debt ceiling and SS charade.
while people still are unemployeed and losing what ever future they have left.

when leaders fight over words and the people fight over bones, something is seriously wrong.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:53 AM
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4. There is that "unexpectantly" word again
Do they really think we are idiots? Of course they do.
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locahungaria Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:04 AM
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7. Yeah.....
that "unexpectedly" word.... every. damn. month! Apparently this continually comes as a "surprise" to them. They should either get a friggen clue or be honest for a change.

Even my cat is no longer surprised.

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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:13 AM
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10. "Unexpectedly", ADP's report was way off base again, as always.
I don't know why they even bother. I've been following them closely for about four years, and they're never close to accurate.

ADP=Always wrong.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:26 AM
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52. Remember when Greenspan said
"no one could have foreseen" the recession, in 2007?
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:58 AM
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5. from the source
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 08:25 AM by mahatmakanejeeves
June payroll employment about unchanged (+18,000); jobless rate changes little (9.2%)

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- JUNE 2011

Nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged in June (+18,000), and the unemployment rate was little changed at 9.2 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment in most major private-sector industries changed little over the month. Government employment continued to trend down.

Household Survey Data

The number of unemployed persons (14.1 million) and the unemployment rate (9.2 percent) were essentially unchanged over the month. Since March, the number of unemployed persons has increased by 545,000, and the unemployment rate has risen by 0.4 percentage point. The labor force, at 153.4 million, changed little over the month. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (9.1 percent), adult women (8.0 percent), teenagers (24.5 percent), whites (8.1 percent), blacks (16.2 percent), and Hispanics (11.6 percent) showed little or no change in June. The jobless rate for Asians was 6.8 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)

The number of persons unemployed for less than 5 weeks increased by 412,000 in June. The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) was essentially unchanged over the month, at 6.3 million, and accounted for 44.4 percent of the unemployed. (See table A-12.)


The large print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.

A DU'er pointed out a few months back that, if I'm going to post the link to the press release, I should include the link to all the tables that provide additional ways of examining the data. Specifically, I should post a link to "Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization." Table A-15 includes those who are not considered unemployed, on the grounds that they have become discouraged about the prospects of finding a job and have given up looking. Here are those links.

Employment Situation

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:16 AM
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12. Not to mention, last months job additions were revised down 25,000.
It's all a big game of Blind Man's Bluff to them.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:00 AM
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6. Terrible news.
Pres. Obama is now going to think he has to give the radical Repuglicans and Teabaggers just about everything they want in the debt ceiling 'negotiations'.

If the Obama economic team had been made-up of populists and progressives, we would have broken up the mega-banks, reformed Wall Street, sent Blankfein to jail, re-negotiated so-called 'free trade' pacts ---- and the U.S. economy would be rebounding.

But instead he decided to play footsie with the Repuglicans and the Goldman Sachs mob. Now he --- and us --- are behind the eight ball.

Look for Pres. Obama to drop changes to Social Security and Medicare, but agree to all of the Repuglican cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.

And, therefore, look for the 'Great Recession, Part 2'.
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:50 PM
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48. WELL SAID!
x
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:05 AM
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8. Guess which party will be delighted with this news? n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:57 AM
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17. Please.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:14 AM
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11. Is this a problem or a symptom?
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 08:16 AM by GliderGuider
It looks to me as though the entire world economy has caught pneumonia, probably due to an underlying case of excessive complexity and a global tightening of physical inputs (mainly resources and cheap energy).

The economic symptoms the USA is seeing are linked to those in Europe and China, because they all share the same sources. The manifestations in each case are different because the national circumstances are different, but in each case simply treating the symptoms (whether by bail-outs or job creation) will be as effective in the long run as treating pneumonia with cough syrup.

Basically, the underpinnings of the globalized industrial economy are coming unglued. Until that fact is confronted, all the job/demand creation in the world can only be a short term band-aid. The problem is way bigger than national politics.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:59 AM
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18. Yep. Corporatism is global anymore. Doesn't mean, though, that what do here doesn't matter.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 09:06 AM by No Elephants
Indeed, other nations, like Greece, suffered from buying the the crap mortgage derivatives our indulgent government enabled our investment banks to sell, right along with residents and taxpayers of the U.S.

Monopolizing global resources made scarcer by both growing populations and climate change, is only part of it, but governments are facilitating that, too.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:06 PM
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49. Greece took it up a notch.
You know the fake "bundles" of income created by bundling together bad US mortgage notes? Greece did that... with their national debt. They bundled it, and sold it back to themselves, so their debt looked like an asset.

Kind of like what the US did with our Social Security money, come to think of it.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:41 AM
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30. That is why we need investments in renewable energy.
Ire ally thought Obama was smart enough to see this. It's been very disappointing.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:20 AM
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13. I was listening to the radio this morning driving to the train station
and the announcers were all talking about how some private firm predicted there were 100,000 plus new jobs in June and that unemployment would either stay at 9.1% or go down. I knew right then we'd get another increase in unemployment and a lackluster report on new jobs creation.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:38 AM
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15. That would be yesterday's, always wrong, ADP report.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:47 AM
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16. Yes, that's it - ADP
I pulled a blank when I was typing and was coming up with ADT, which I knew wasn't quite right. Thank you!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:23 AM
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14. Inching closer to the President Bachmann Era.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 08:24 AM by onehandle
Kidding. It'll be Mittens/Rubio if Obama loses.

If Obama squeaks by, it'll be President Rubio in 2016.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:53 AM
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35. a name to upset that apple cart, Rick Perry (with Rob Portman, Rubio, or wild card Jeb Bush as VP)
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 12:00 PM by stockholmer
I would also add Jon Huntsman as a possible VP.

I doubt the systemic controllers will allow the unstable Bachmann near the reigns of executive power.

If Jeb thinks that Rubio is going to be possibly picked as VP, this will force his hand to perhaps lobby to join a 2012 ticket as VP, as both Rubio and Jeb are from Florida, and thus cannot run on same ticket in 2016. Rubio, if picked as VP in 2012, automatically goes to front runner status in 2016, in the event of a Republican 2012 loss, another thing that Jeb doesn't want.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:08 PM
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46. I don't believe that Jeb® will ever run. The Bush name is still too toxic.
And although Perry may run, I think he's the cartoon version of George W. Bush. And therefore, toxic.

Mittens and my gut still says Rubio as VP.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:27 PM
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50. Agreed. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:08 AM
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19. why don't they tell the truth?
state how many REAL jobs were created by US corporations - THEN say how many were created IN AMERICA
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:12 AM
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20. Younger people who lost their jobs were moving in with their parents, who
were already taking care of THEIR parents, thanks to unaffordable health care. Now, cuts to Medicare and OASDI are on the table.

Put it all together and it's a great plan for reducing the surplus population, which will help immeasurably with global warming, leaving a cleaner, better world for the really rich.

See, things always work out for the best, just as mom always said.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:02 AM
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21. WHO THE F**K DO THEY THINK IS GOING TO BUY THEIR PRODUCTS...
WHEN THE BOTTOM 50% OF THE COUNTRY ONLY OWNS 2.5% OF THE WEALTH?! That's not a typo, 2.5%!



Hey we get it, YOU WON the class warfare, now it's just getting sickening.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:49 AM
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22. One word, "OUCH!"
and the bull is still put in our faces.

The song, "Train Kept A-Rolling" comes to mind with this news...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:04 AM
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23. This was Plouffe on Wednesday on this issue.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 11:17 AM by Beacool
Top Obama adviser says unemployment won't be key in 2012
By Ian Swanson - 07/07/11

President Obama’s senior political adviser David Plouffe said Wednesday that people won’t vote in 2012 based on the unemployment rate.

Plouffe should probably hope that’s the case, since dismal job figures aren’t expected to get any better for Obama and the economy on Friday.

Most economists expect a report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to show that the nation added about 100,000 jobs in June. That’s not enough to keep up with population growth, let alone lower the unemployment rate or make a dent in the 9 million jobs lost during the so called Great Recession.

(UPDATED: The jobs report released on Friday showed the economy added only 18,000 jobs, much less than anticipated. The unemployment rate creeped up to 9.2 percent.)

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/170309-plouffe-says-jobs-rate-not-key-in-2012

“The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said. “People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”

http://my.firedoglake.com/scarecrow/2011/07/07/obamas-political-economic-advisers-say-unemployment-doesnt-matter/

:crazy:
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:21 AM
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24. Is this the Summer of Recovery?
Is this the Summer of Recovery?

or was that 2009, or 2010? I forgot.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:30 PM
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38. It depends on whose recovery we are talking.
The banks seem to have recovered nicely, thank you very much.

The average folks, particularly those without a job, not so much..........

:(
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:23 AM
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25. Plouffe should be fired (along with his cohort) today and sent
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 11:23 AM by coalition_unwilling
packing, imho. His continued presence in the WH all but guarantees Obama will be a one-termer.
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:26 AM
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27. The spin is starting. More Trade Deals - BARF!
Crystal ball
W.H.: Jobless rate can drop to 8.2%
By MATT NEGRIN | 07/08/11 10:49 AM Updated: 07/08/11 11:36 AM
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W.H.: Jobless rate can drop to 8.2%

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0711/crystal_ball_c32aaf01-55f5-4a12-9eeb-b239eb55b956.html




Austan Goolsbee, one of President Obama's top economic advisers, walked into a contentious interview on CNBC Friday morning as he tried to spin the newest jobs report and call for an end to the "bickering" that he said has stalled economic growth.

"The president has taken responsibility that we have to do everything we can," Goolsbee said when asked if the White House will take the blame for Friday's poor jobs report. "It is his number-one priority. We wake up every day -- what can we do to get the growth rate higher?"

Goolsbee said "hundreds of thousands of jobs if not millions" could be created if a payroll tax cut is extended, trade deals are passed, an infrastructure bank is created, a patent reform bill is approved and a deficit deal is reached. He also said that if those things happen, the unemployment rate would be 8.2 percent by the fourth quarter of 2012.

"I think these numbers from last month and this month are a call to action for Washington to stop the bickering, to stop the, frankly, dangerous actions that doing nothing will have for the economy, that we should do the things that there's bipartisan agreement on that will create jobs and get the growth rate higher," Goolsbee said.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:30 AM
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28. Goolsbee should also be fired immediately. It is not bickering that
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 11:32 AM by coalition_unwilling
has stalled economic growth. It's poor policy and politics based on fatally flawed assumptions. Jeesh.

Either Obama (and Bill Daley) fires these yo-yos or the American people will fire Obama and Daley.
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:37 AM
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29. Trade Deals?
Dear God these screwballs are nuts.

We need domestic manufacturing, production, etc, not more outsourcing to these nations!

We need factories, plants, and places where people can be productive, make things, ship things, package things, etc.







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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:44 AM
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32. Yeah but if the Govt intervenes then they get called communists
We just have to wait until the private sector/free market decides to rescue America. In the meantime we'll just let our citizens suffer while CEOs figure out how they can maximize profits.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:43 AM
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31. Why isn't it the bickering that has stalled economic growth?
If we default that is a freaking big deal. Who wants to start a new venture in an environment like that?
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:23 PM
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36. "Who wants to start a new venture in an environment like that?"
This guy. I rather start my company in a country that just defaulted and starting over with a blank slate than one who owes $14 trillion and about to increase it to $17 trillion just to pay off the interest of the $14 trillion owed. Many companies come out stringer after a default and debt restructuring, default and filing bankruptcy is not the end of the world.

44% of our debt is owed to the federal reserve and that one for sure should not be paid, on the other hand, we should continue to pay the interest to the Chinese, Japanese and other big lenders. With all the new emerging economic powers now and the stiff competition we face from them, I do not see this country ever paying off all the debt we owe. So its better we default now than later
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:50 AM
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34. Obama's a fraud
He clings to the banksters, free traders, and Chicago School free-market-sell-your-mother-for-a-nickel economics.

He won't win re-election because he has adopted policies that will exacerbate the recession and joblessness.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:36 PM
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39. I see that Plouffe continues to be the same arrogant jerk as in 2008.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 12:37 PM by Beacool
It's easy to be so dismissive about unemployment when one has a cushy job like he does.

I wish that all these pr*cks, from either party, who are so cavalier about unemployment were unemployed themselves. Let them be without a job for months on end. Let them go through their unemployment benefits, 401K, savings and even the loss of their home. Then and only then, would they understand the depth of despair that is gripping many in this country.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:50 PM
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41. David Plouffe: A Beltway Disconnect Textbook Case
To say, in essence, that people don't vote the economy (After Bush I losing to "It's the economy, Stupid!") Is a patently ridiculous statement to make.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 01:01 PM
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43. He should take a lesson from Carville in 1992.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 01:03 PM by Beacool
You said it: It's the economy, stupid!!!!

:eyes:
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cppuddy Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:24 PM
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37. :(
What will happen is that a republican will get elected prez , and they will hold the house and senate. Then they will gut everything, and they will be no benefits left for my 'retirement' If that is going to happen, I say don't bother dealing with the debt ceiling. Let the US default. Let everything crash. So we can rebuild from scratch; either as a united US or separate states or regions.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:42 PM
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40. The Repukes deliberately trashed the economy to sink his presidency
and Obama went along with every bit of it. He's either really, really dumb, or politically suicidal, or never wanted a 2nd term.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:58 PM
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42. He's inexperienced.
My brother is in Brussels, the seat of the European Union's economic council. He has 2 PhDs in economics and is very liberal. A good friend's husband is a top economist in NY. He's conservative.

They both disagree on social matters, but are in agreement on one issue: Obama doesn't know what he is doing.

I have asked both of them ever since early 2008 this same question and I keep getting the same response.

:shrug:
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 01:09 PM
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44. Why would Obama listen? Or his cronies? They and theirs have wealth and power.
Why would you imagine members of the ruling aristocracy would listen to the suffering of the peasants?
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 01:50 PM
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45. aggregate demand and the 'paradox of thrift' debunked
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 01:55 PM by stockholmer
http://web-xp2a-pws.ntrs.com/content//media/attachment/data/econ_research/0902/document/ec022309.pdf

Mainstream economists and the mainstream media continue to embrace John Maynard Keynes’ notion of the “paradox of thrift.” While most economists subscribe to the view that the pace of long-run economic growth is a function of productivity and thrift (saving), short-run growth can be retarded by too much thrift. According to this view, if households in the aggregate decide to cut back on their current spending, i.e., save more, aggregate economic demand will be negatively affected. Hence, the paradox of thrift. A little later in this commentary, I will try to dispel the notion that thrift retards growth in aggregate demand in the short run.


But before getting into this aspect of economic myth-busting, I want to call your attention to a February 19th WSJ opinion article by a member of the paper’s editorial staff, Daniel Henninger, entitled “Obama’s ‘Hair of the Dog’ Stimulus.” Henninger essentially buys into the paradox-of-thrift argument. He cites the “Making Work Pay” element of the new fiscal stimulus plan as a way of giving a tax rebate to households with a lower probability that the tax reduction will be saved. Again, according to Henninger, an increase in saving would mute the stimulative effects of the new fiscal program.

Is Henninger actually endorsing an economic plan that does not include reductions in marginal tax rates? Not to worry. He falls into line with The Journal’s monolithic editorial view that any stimulus plan devoid of marginal tax rate reductions is bound to fail in igniting aggregate demand because American households have rediscovered the virtue of thrift. To buttress his case, Mr. Henninger cites an authority on the subject of women’s marginal propensity to consume/save, Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue. Ms. Wintour’s sampling, scientific, no doubt, suggests that ladies of leisure will be cutting back on their current spending. (To be complete, perhaps Mr. Henninger should have consulted Playboy’s octogenarian playboy, Hugh Hefner, as to what we men will be doing with our extra eight dollars a paycheck.) Moreover, Mr. Henninger says that President Obama has met the enemy of household spending and it is the president himself. You see, President Obama has an “austere persona” that evidently promotes household austerity! I found it paradoxical that anyone on the editorial board of The Journal would embrace anything Keynesian such as the paradox of thrift. Hence the title of this commentary, “Paradox Squared.”


Let’s get economically objective. Thrift or saving does not necessarily mute aggregate demand in the short run or the long run. As any economist of the Austrian school will tell you, saving simply implies one economic agent cutting back on its current spending and transferring its spending power to another economic entity. For example, suppose a household decides to cut back on its current spending in order to purchase an about-to-be issued corporate bond. The household is transferring its purchasing power to the corporation. Presumably, the corporation does not intend to simply sit on the proceeds of its bond sale. Rather, the corporation likely borrowed funds in order to spend now on some capital equipment or R&D. So, the act of increasing its saving on the part of the household does not lead to a reduction in aggregate spending in the economy, just a redistribution of spending.


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http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/02/23/kasriel-debunks-the-paradox-of-thrift/


Mainstream economists and the mainstream media continue to embrace John Maynard Keynes’ notion of the “paradox of thrift.” While most economists subscribe to the view that the pace of long-run economic growth is a function of productivity and thrift (saving), short-run growth can be retarded by too much thrift. According to this view, if households in the aggregate decide to cut back on their current spending, i.e., save more, aggregate economic demand will be negatively affected. Hence, the paradox of thrift…I will try to dispel the notion that thrift retards growth in aggregate demand in the short run.

Before getting to the meat of Kasriel’s argument, it’s worth noting a recent NYT article in which the thrifty were blamed for Japan’s economic malaise: “As recession-wary Americans adapt to a new frugality, Japan offers a peek at how thrift can take lasting hold of a consumer society, to disastrous effect.” The economic consensus is that too little consumer spending causes a downward spiral for the economy. Thrift might as well be a four-letter word. Personally I think this is nonsense, and I’ve tried to explain why on the blog. Kasriel does too. (emphasis his)


Thrift or saving does not necessarily mute aggregate demand in the short run or the long run. As any economist of the Austrian school will tell you, saving simply implies one economic agent cutting back on its current spending and transferring its spending power to another economic entity. For example, suppose a household decides to cut back on its current spending in order to purchase an about-to-be issued corporate bond. The household is transferring its purchasing power to the corporation. Presumably, the corporation does not intend to simply sit on the proceeds of its bond sale. Rather, the corporation likely borrowed funds in order to spend now on some capital equipment or R&D. So, the act of increasing its saving on the part of the household does not lead to a reduction in aggregate spending in the economy, just a redistribution of spending.

There is, however, a special case in which an increase in thrift will result in a fall in aggregate spending. This is the case of “hoarding” money – currency and bank deposits. Hoarding in this sense is the term classical economists used to describe what hip-hop economists refer to as an increase in the demand for money to hold, or a decrease in the velocity of money. If more and more households wish to curtail their current spending and increase their money balances, this will lead to a decline in aggregate spending in the short run if the supply of money is not increased commensurate with the increased demand for it to hold. The supply of money is created by the new lending actions of banks in cooperation with the central bank, the Fed in the U.S. case. An increased demand for money to hold does not automatically elicit an increase in the supply of money. Let’s say that an employee of XYZ Company decides to save a larger portion of her paycheck in the form of increased money balances. On payday, XYZ transfers into the employee’s bank account the employee’s salary. So, XYZ’s bank account is debited by the same amount that the employee’s bank account is credited. No new money is created in this process. All that has happened is that the ownership of money has changed. No net new bank credit is created in this process. Although the employee’s bank has gained some additional reserves in the process that would enable it to create some new credit, XYZ’s bank has lost reserves, requiring it to extinguish credit, all else the same. Aggregate spending does decrease because the employee cuts back on her spending in order to increase her money balances.

So, the paradox of thrift, which mainstream economists…so readily embrace, is only paradoxical in the special case in which the public’s demand for money to hold increases. How do these economists…know ahead of time that tax rebates will be accompanied by an increased demand for money to hold on the part of households? Even if the demand for money to hold does increase, I can make an argument that the supply of money available to be held is likely to increase. The Treasury is going to issue securities to finance its new spending and tax rebate programs. If, which is likely, banks and the Fed purchase a large quantity of these Treasury securities, then the supply of money will increase. An increased demand for money to hold matched by an increased supply will not lead to a decrease in aggregate spending.

Kasriel goes on to debunk another myth—”that the U.S. economy cannot grow rapidly unless there is a high level of consumer spending.” He has a nifty chart the demonstrates why…

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