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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:53 PM
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The GAB shut down the Exit Polls in Wisonsin
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 07:11 PM by robinlynne
Source: Mark Crispin Miller, News From Underground

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEContacts:Jonathan Simon 617-538-6012

Sally Castleman 781-454-8700

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_GAB Shutting Down Non-Partisan Exit Polls in Wisconsin_

The Government Accounting Board (GAB), apparently changing their
regulations as they go along, has effectively shut down citizen-run exit
polls in today's Democratic Primary Recall Election in Wisconsin.

Despite having the GAB Regulations (��5.35 (5), 7.37 (2))in hand plus a
letter from Kevin Kennedy, head of the GAB, both clearly allowing exit
polling, the GAB today, through GAB member David Buerger, has said that
the group is "electioneering" because candidates names appear on the
polling "ballot."He further dictated that no voter would be allowed to
touch an exit poll ballot, that pollsters can only verbally ask the
voters their responses.This despite the fact that Edison-Mitofsky, the
polling company commissioned by the Media Consortium to conduct Exit
Polling nationally over the last many years, uses /written /polling
ballots that the voters fill in themselves.

The polls were being run by concerned Wisconsin citizens volunteering
under the guidance of Election Defense Alliance and Protect California
Ballots, two non-partisan organizations with the mission of restoring
transparency to our elections.Both organizations have run non-partisan
exit polls many times in the past in close to a dozen states.Neither
group has ever been harassed in such a way before.

"This is reasoning beyond specious", saidJonathan Simon, Director of
Election Defense Alliance. "Exit polling in this country has been going
on for decades. To call it 'electioneering' simply because candidates
names appear on the poll ballot, when all names appear without any
advocacy involved, is absurd.This is concealment in OUR elections.Public
participation is being forbidden!"

"If exit polling has now conveniently been relabeled as 'electioneering'
this spells the end of exit polling in America and one of the last few
mechanisms for evaluating the legitimacy of official vote counts," added
Sally Castleman, National Chairperson of Election Defense Alliance.

"The implications for upcoming primary and general recall elections are
of the utmost importance" said Simon."This encroachment on the public
right of observation and participation must be challenged forcefully and
immediately."

"The irony of 'Government Accountability' is beyond belief," Simon added.

Voters leaving the polling station in *Menominee Falls*were reporting to
the pollsters that they were not being allowed to vote without photo
ID.When one of the volunteers tried to explain that the law says *a
photo ID is REQUESTED but not REQUIRED for this election, the Village
Clerk reprimanded her for "interfering." *

In another related story, robo-calls, reportedly coming from Virginia,
are being made to Democrats throughout the primary districts today
telling them not to vote today because an absentee ballot is in the mail.

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--- On *Thu, 6/9/11, Kennedy, Kevin - GAB

/<Kevin.Kenn...@Wisconsin.gov>/* wrote:

From: Kennedy, Kevin - GAB <Kevin.Kenn...@Wisconsin.gov>
Subject: RE: HOW FAR AWAY DOES AN EXIT POLLER HAVE TO BE?
To: "'Mary Magnuson'" <mary.magnu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 6:16 PM

There is no distance restriction for exit polling. The distance
restriction for electioneering is 100 feet from any entrance to a
polling place. �12.03 (2)(b). The regulations governing exit polling are
those that restrict interfering with the conduct of the election or
distracting voters. We advise that exit polling may not happen in the
voting area or the building because this would distract voters. We also
say that the exit pollsters may not block access to the entrance to the
building containing a polling place. ��5.35 (5), 7.37 (2)

I have attached a letter that is given to the exit polling organizations.

Kevin J. Kennedy

Director and General Counsel

Wisconsin Government Accountability Board

608-266-8005

kevin.kenn...@wi.gov

No link yet.



Exit polls are the only inexpensive way to find election fraud. They are extremely important and serve as an indicator of fraud. because the voters answer right after voting, they remember how they voted and do not err. because they do it in secret on a ballot just like the ballot they voted on, there is no reason for them to give false answers. Statistically this is the best way to do an exit polls. Statistical probabilities can be calculated mathematically based on exit poll results. This is a BIG DEAL!!!

I am reposting before getting permission because it says : for immediate release.

edited to spell check.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:58 PM
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1. they will try to steal this election and the next
until SOMETHING is done about this shit.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:59 PM
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2. try? They jsut stole a huge eleciton for federal judge in Wisconsin last month.
in spite of 3000+ pages of evidence of "errors" the GAB approved the election. The same GAb just shut down any independent verification by the citizens.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:12 PM
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3. You mean the WI Supreme Court judge (not a federal judge), I assume.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. yes. exactly.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:15 PM
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5. I got nervous when I read the news and posted quickly. This is pretty hard core.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:33 PM
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8. i wonder who the complainers were in this story??....
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:59 PM
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14. What do you mean? the GAB? or the groups doing the exit polls?
GAb= Government Accountability Board. Responsible for overseeing the elections.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:26 PM
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7. Republicans are not omnipotent, able to steal elections at will.
If Democrats truly believe there has been election fraud then legal action should be taken (my guess is that we should have a lot of smart lawyers) and it should be proven until somebody goes to jail. Otherwise, if all we do is continually cry about how we were robbed and that's all it is, then we are not victims, we are fools.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:37 PM
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9. I am a victim.
Some are real f'n fools because having heard the evidence they still think we have fair elections.

I have done more than my share to change the way votes are counted.
Who else can say the same?

What say you, elocs, victim or fool?

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:04 PM
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15. We have. many times. The justice system does not work that way. unfortunately.
Republicans have conveniently been placed at the heads of election oversight departments throughout the country as well. The companies which make all the voting devices are Republican owned. This process has been going on for many many years. The EAC, the federal Commission consists of 4 presidential Appointees. Obama did not bother to appoint any. The BUSh appointees are still there in two seats. the other 2 seats have been sitting vacant.....This is the OCmmission in charge of determining which election systems can be used in this country. you might notice a certain push towards computers?

Were that it were that simple. It is not just Republicans either. The other party has a stake in leaving things as they are apparently.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. They Are Very Nearly So Where They Control the State Government
It takes a landslide for a Democrat to win in such a state, and sometimes even that isn't enough.
Ask former Governor Roy Barnes and former Senator Max Cleland, both of Georgia.

Teabaggers control 27 states, with 270 electoral votes.

We have an uphill battle ahead of us.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:49 PM
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25. Sure we have a battle ahead of us because while we were dancing on the GOP grave after the 2008
elections they didn't give up and roll over and go away. You don't stop fighting until the fight is over and this fight is nowhere near over. I hope we have learned the lesson. I hope we have learned the lesson here in Wisconsin.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. "Citizens United" Changed Everything Overnight
Unlimited secret corporate cash for the Repiglickins. Our candidates got outspent by more than 4:1 in some cases.

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:16 PM
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6. The GAB has blood on their hands....
...when I learned Kennedy had outsourced our elections to Accenture and lobbied for Diebold/Sequioa electonic voting machines I lost all trust.

This just adds fuel to that fire.
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Yon_Yonson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:45 PM
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12. I lost trust in GAB months ago
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 07:47 PM by Yon_Yonson
I was just waiting to see what these NEOCON BROWN SHIRTS would do next
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
35. All of government has been corrupted - at every level -- every agency --
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Grrrfun Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:41 PM
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10. right in your face
They do the lying, cheating and stealing right in front of us now.

Repugs never tire of BOLD MOVES.

Dems never TRY BOLD MOVES....


Have lawyers, guns and cameras there next time. How would the repugs FIGHT BACK against something like this?


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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:05 PM
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16. I'm sure they had cameras.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:34 PM
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20. And, of course, cameras won't help them in the actual courts (paid off) or the court
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 09:34 PM by valerief
of public opinion (because corp media won't show them to the public).
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:43 PM
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11. GAB agenda in line with KKKarl.... Why else would they help Kathy Nicolas?
Kevin Kennedy is an asset for GOP. This is no bipartisan organization...
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Yon_Yonson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. There is a direct tunnel from Herr Walker’s office to GAB
Guarded by Wackenhut goons
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:16 PM
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17. Can't wait tell Walker is recalled... I drove down Wisconsin Ave. and saw
a few recall walker signs in his neighborhood.... Hopefully then we can remove the goons and restore order....
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:05 PM
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18. K&R'd
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:20 PM
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19. In 2008, Blackwell tried to interfere with exit polls in Ohio on election am. I knew then the fix
was in.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:36 PM
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21. Yep.....the fix is in again...n/t
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. NOPE ! Sorry GOPukes. FAKE DEMS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES TONIGHT. MAJOR PUKE FAIL!!! HA HA HA HA...
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. We HOPE. The Dems always win first, then the bad guys take power. (Gore,
Kerry, the Dem Supreme court judge last month and so many more) No exit polls means something needs to be hidden.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:50 PM
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26. Only ONE fairly close race. All others are HUGE real D victories. Chill out over tonight.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Glad to hear it. I'll believe it in the AM.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Believe it now. See the WI places forum for a link. All results in. ALL fake Dems LOST, most BIG.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:04 PM
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31. Then it was probably by an even bigger landslide than what it seems to be.
Like Obama's win was.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:50 PM
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27. lol yep
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 09:51 PM by florida08
Ed Schultz reporting tonight at least 2 fake dems down..update

All fakers are out! :woohoo:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:11 PM
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32. GOPers not responding to exit pollsters gave Kerry the win, kept democrats from voting
late in the day, and gave the win to Bush. It was false exit polls that did Kerry in. Ever heard of the reluctant responder theory?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:22 PM
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33. There was more to that involved and some GOPhers got prison time for it. Not for exit polls.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:26 PM
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34. And all of this is going on because we are a conservative nation ... ROFL ... !!!
The right wing can only rise and has only risen on violence -- assassinations --

lies -- Goebbels' style corporate-press -- elections stolen by computer --

gerrymandering -- and still it isn't enough --


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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:51 PM
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36. Local TV just said the exit pollers were stopped from
contacting people on the way into the poll, and allowed to contact them on the way out.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:53 PM
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37. ...it don't matter. ALL SIX DEMS WIN!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. It DOES matter. That was the primary. The real election is next month.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:24 PM
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38. GOP = SERIAL CRIMINALS
Lock 'em up and throw away the key, they're trying to steal democracy.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:45 PM
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39. Electioneering is to convince a voter ...
to vote a certain way BEFORE they vote.

While exit polling, the voter has already voted.

They are mutually exclusive.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:28 PM
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42. You got it.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:51 PM
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40. There's a reason Republicons don't want verifiable elections with paper trails. How could any
reasonable person not want to be able to verify one of the most important processes in the world such as the vote for officials who will make policy, govern this country, our states and local governments? Why would anyone not want to make sure, through a paper trail, that the vote is correct and legitimate? Simple, the Republicons don't want a paper trail so they can rig elections and it is more difficult to prove. We need election reform and we need it now, paper ballots only.....even if it takes a little longer to determine who has won the election. Otherwise, we'll have more lunatics stealing elections and forcing us to live in their asylums. Let's see, Republicons are forcing people to have IDs to vote, they don't want election officials to be able to tell you if you're in the wrong polling place, they don't want exit polls, they want to redistrict to their benefit, they send robo calls to African Americans telling them they don't need to vote, they block Democratic phone banks etc.......hmmmmmmm? Sounds to me like the Republicons want to be able to disenfranchise and steal elections, in some cases with impunity.
Lou
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:50 PM
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43. good grief. what contorted reasoning.
Exit polls survey people WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED. How is it in any way electioneering if they can't vote again?

God, conservatives are so stupid.
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