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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:10 AM
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Sen. Graham: Republicans Should Accept Tax Revenue Increase
Source: ABC

Sen. Graham: Republicans Should Accept Tax Revenue Increase


ABC News' Jonathan Karl and Gregory Simmons report:

As Congress and the president try to strike a deal to cut spending and raise the debt ceiling, one Republican Senator tells ABC News that prospects look bleak.

“Right now I’m very worried,” Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told ABC News “Subway Series.” “If I were a betting man, I’d bet no deal.”

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The obvious solution, Graham said, is for Republicans to give some ground on taxes and for Democrats to give some ground on entitlements. But he doubts negotiators will get there before August 2nd.

“How to get there from here?” Graham said. “President says he’s not going to do a short term extension. (Republicans) are saying we aren’t going to generate any new revenue. (Democrats) are saying they aren’t going to do it without revenue. Well, somebody’s got to blink.”

Read more: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/07/republican-senator-warns-of-a-disaster-if-congress-cant-find-middle-ground-on-debt-ceiling-.html
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:13 AM
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1. Can you say "Tea Party Primary opponent"?
I KNEW you could...
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:13 AM
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2. I wonder if the Republicans can deliver the votes for anything. If
they can't then negotiating with them is pretty useless, isn't it?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:21 AM
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3. He's gutsy, right up to the moment when he has to have some guts
In the classic, senatorial manner.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:30 PM
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13. Bingo. He makes a stab at seeming sane every now and again, but
usually folds like a cheap suit.

He does vote to confirm qualified judges, though. "Elections have consequences," sez he. However, that is about all one can rely on him for when it's time to stop acting sane and start voting sanely.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:37 AM
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4. I think the TeaParty is about to be "Minimalized"
as the RATpubliCONs weight the political fallout from their hardline positions on "No New Taxes" vs: "The Majority of Americans who want no Benefit Cuts and Tax Loopholes Closed" the Teaparty stands to lose any political clout they thought they had
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:31 PM
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14. I think I may have just heard David Koch say, "Marginalize this."
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:13 AM
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5. That headline is a prettier sight than Angelina Jolie!
:rofl:
rocktivity
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:15 AM
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6. ITS EASY TO FIGURE OUT revenue was over 18% when Ronnie
left office and because of the depression tax collections are 14% now.. Spending isn't the problem (ok the stupid wars) revenue is the problem.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:50 AM
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7. Amazing how they won't admit that St. Ronnie taxed the rich
(and almost everyone else) more than their hated Obama. :crazy:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:33 PM
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15. And St. Ike--you know, the one everyone liked-- made them all look lame.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 11:29 AM
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8. That Lindsey. He has an aggravating habit of actually thinking for himself once in a while.
And yet when he is "on message", he's one of the smarmiest and most odious of all repukebots. Go figure. :eyes:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:34 PM
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16. In fairness, he usually stops thinking for himself in time to vote with his caucus.
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 12:35 PM by No Elephants
People follow things he says on TV more than they follow his votes, so he gets to have it both ways. Talk rationally and vote like the rest of the nutters.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:37 PM
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17. That's what's so aggravating about it!
:banghead: :argh:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:41 PM
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19. LOL!
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 11:57 AM
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9. Nice knowin' ya, Lindsey!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:07 PM
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10. Is there any way Obama could legally un-sign the Bush tax cuts he signed into law in December?
I'm sure the answer is no, but if there were a way, that would solve the "problem". (I don't think debt is a problem at all, given our economy, just a Republican mantra that the Democrats seem to believe in. The Gov needs to up spending, not cut it, but on the correct social programs, not by giving the money to banks and Halliburton.)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:38 PM
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18. There is no way Obama signed Bush tax cuts into law.
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 12:40 PM by No Elephants
Bush tax cuts expired under their own terms on December 31, 2010. By then, President Bush had been out of office a few weeks short of two solid years.

At the end of last year, President Obama signed the Obama tax cuts into law.

I don't see what we have to gain by calling them anything other than what they are. We sure aren't going to be able to get Bush to unsign them and, even if he did, it wouldn't matter.

But, to answer your question, no. Obama negotiated a deal with the Republicans, the asked Democrats to pass it; and they complied. (He could have vetoed anything else.) So, Congress would also have to revoke the Obama tax cuts.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:47 PM
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21. point taken.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:16 PM
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11. That's why they (repigs) call him a RINO and they hate him. nt
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:17 PM
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12. But Obama has claimed he is willing already Sen. Graham
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 12:22 PM by cstanleytech
so why is your party digging its heels in deeper and shrilling crying like a 3 year old?


Edit: BTW anyone else think that a picture of the republicans blocking the passing of a budget in editorial cartoon as big babies in diapers with big rattles would be funny?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:45 PM
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20. Only if Senator Vitter figures prominently in the cartoon.
Oh, dear, that wasn't very nice, was it?

If you look again at what Graham said, he came very close to saying that what Obama was willing to do is the only sane approach. He (Graham) stopped short of using those words, though.

As for me, I am glad the "Grand Deal" as some have called it, is dead in the water. Obama has other ways to go besides touching Social Security or Medicare.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:25 PM
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22. Oh sure there are other places they could trim more like closing more of the overseas bases
as well as getting our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and cutting our defense spending down so its under 300 billion a year.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:29 PM
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23. Prepare to be teabagged Lindsey.
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