Police charge mother in Nashville airport altercation -Woman refused to let officers screen daughter

[kpete]

Source: The Tennessean

Police charge mother in Nashville airport altercation
Woman refused to let officers screen daughter

A 41-year-old Clarksville woman was arrested after Nashville airport authorities say she was belligerent and verbally abusive to security officers, refusing for her daughter to be patted down at a security checkpoint.

Andrea Fornella Abbott yelled and swore at Transportation Security Administration agents Saturday afternoon at Nashville International Airport, saying she did not want her daughter to be “touched inappropriately or have her “crotch grabbed,” a police report states.

After the woman refused to calm down, airport police said, she was charged with disorderly conduct and taken to jail. She has been released on bond.

Attempts to reach Abbott on Tuesday were unsuccessful. The report does not list her daughter’s age. The mother and daughter were traveling from Nashville to Baltimore on Southwest Airlines.

Read more: http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110713/NEWS01/307130115/Police-charge-mother-Nashville-airport-altercation

[Drale]

1. There is no need to get belligerent or verbally abusive

Everyone knows whats going on, and until it changes, don't fly if you don't like it.

[bitchkitty]

2. That's right, just shut up and bend over.

You'll get used to it. Really. It's for our SAFETY, ya know.

[Drale]

3. No you don't have to take it

If you don't want to deal with it, take the train or drive. You don't have to fly, there are other ways to get places.

[Fastcars]

Didn't I read...

That leaving isn't an option?

There are no good reasons to pick a young child for a pat down. The odds of a kid being exposed to a pedophile over stopping a terrorist plot are probably so high as to be incalculable.

[Randomthought]

8. drive to Paris?

to see the relatives. I don't think so

[cstanleytech]

10. You can .............if its Paris, Texas.

You can even drive to Paris, France but that crossing over the Artic thing during winter might not be the best route to take.

[Randomthought]

24. the one in France

I get really irate when someone says -just don't fly.
You can't drive every place and I don't have enough vacation time for the sea voyage as much as I would enjoy it.
IMO if we stop flying then the 9/11 attackers and the TSA thugs have won and we are a people thoroughly terrorized by our own government.
We must stand up for our rights including the right to be free from unwarranted searches.

[cstanleytech]

39. Well to be honest the searches arent entirely

unwarranted because the fact is (and yes its a fact) that there are people who have proven themselves willing to kill not just passengers on planes but use those same planes to kill thousands on the ground.
Imagine the worst case scenario of damage they could have caused if instead of the twin towers they had hit one of the many nuclear reactors with those planes, it might well make Fukushima seem like a minor spill.
So are the pat down searches unreasonable? Not imo and so far if you notice the SCOTUS hasnt said its unwarranted either.

[Randomthought]

93. Respectfully disagree.

The searches are nothing more than forcing people to used those expensive body scanners. The government bought them now they have to justify their use.

[arikara]

107. Have these invasive, demeaning gropings

stopped even one passenger from getting on with any kind a bomb? I know they've found lots of medical prostheses and even a diaper or 2.

[joeglow3]

123. Prove to me that it has not stopped someone from bringing on a bomb

[happyslug]

115. Tramp Steamers still operate

Some Tramp Steamers Sites:

http://www.freightercruises.com/voyages.php#europeasia

http://www.freighter-travel.com/travel-itineraries.html

http://www.nsb-reisebuero.de/site_frachtschiffreisen_en/?node_id=26

Wikipedia has a long list of Freighters that take on passengers:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Freighter_travel#b

[barbtries]

16. i get so annoyed at that!

i have a full time job and a son and three grandchildren on the other side of the country. do you REALLY think i have a choice not to fly???

[Missy Vixen]

26. I flew earlier this month

Seattle - NYC, and back.

"Driving or taking the train" is really not an option.

Those who believe it's appropriate to allow any agency to grope or commit sexual assault in the name of "security" on any person attempting to take public transportation (and a jetliner is public transportation,) has an agenda.

As Nadin has noted several times before, the same objectives could be accomplished with dogs. The TSA is uninterested in realistic security measures.

[defendandprotect]

32. +1 ---

[MADem]

74. Muslims would refuse to be screened by dogs. They're haram.

You'd be accused of discrimination, religious persecution, and cultural insensitivity.

So you're back to square one.

[Missy Vixen]

96. I refuse to be violated by someone touching my breasts or genitals without my consent

It's against MY religion.

I got bumped off my return flight from NYC, and was sent from LaGuardia to JFK for a different flight. Nobody touched me, but let's just say my person, my carry-ons and my luggage got lots and lots of additional attention from the TSA.

[MADem]

118. Well, expect to have trouble flying. And like I said, don't expect dogs to do the honors

sniffing out explosives on people. I like dogs, but some people don't.

[smiley]

34. wrong

once you're there. You must pass go or go directly to jail...

[saras]

36. If THEY don't want to follow OUR constitution, THEY can get the hell out. Not us.

[Diclotican]

41. Drale

Drale

This is he EXCACT same attitude, that the east european communist parties, who ruled the easten part of europe for more than 40 year also pointed out, when they was controlling sivilians moves around.. If you dosent like fly, go take a train. Oh wait, you have to show your paper at the train station, to get to the next town, not to say next City..

The irony, is that US of today, is acting up in a way, even KGB of old was not able to do.. Under the cold war, most americans could not accept that the government could act in the same league that KGB was acting in Soviet union, or the different police systems in the eastern block was acting

Today, US is so coverdy, that they day for day, is given away the freedom, most of east Europe would have died for be given, when the cold war was active and the repressive governments of easten block was using every tool to controll and to disqurage peopole for moving around.. Please, your paper.. Or just, show us your paper, withouth the please...

Today, US is far away from "the land of the free, the land of the brave".. Today you are slave of your own cowardize, and would give up all your freedom, for some false security...

You might not even deserve your freedom, when you let the government act as they do, with TSA, where children, under the age of ONE YEAR is frisk searches for bombs... TSA is acting out worse than the old KGB of Soviet union.. or the security apparatours of the EASTERN BLOCK until the end of the cold war in 1990-91...

Felix Dzerzhinsky and Lavrentiy Beria would had a field day, if he had known, that in the end, the scare got the best of US also.. Even tho he might also would have been green of envoy for the tools the TSA have, to control sivilians.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky


Diclotican

[harvey007]

50. Think again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2PtAYIeZN8

[MADem]

63. She was only going to Baltimore, too--we're not talking a NY-LA flight. nt

[AnneD]

84. They have portable...

VIPR units that have already popped up at bus terminals and train stations. Your argument doesn't hold water. This crotch grab is illegal and does't make us any more secure than before 9/11. This is expensive and does not work. TSA has never caught a terrorist. I trust my fellow passengers over TSA.

All this is to get us to accept this unreasonable search. Since when did it become a crime to fly. Read the bill of rights and then tell me I have to submit to this. It is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[NashVegas]

101. Our Right to Resist Unwarranted and Unreasonable Searches Trumps Your Right to Speedy Travel

YOU drive ....

[Doctor Hurt]

4. yes. my God this is worse than China's Cultural revolution

how many more will die from the probing hands of TSA workers?

[Missy Vixen]

27. Oh, that's funny

Wait till images from the backscatter scanners end up online. It's going to happen.

Would you want your nude image assimilated over the Web without your consent? How would you feel to know that you will never be able to completely erase that image?

[smiley]

35. I'm sure the poster is fine w/ that

because he/she knows we now are safe.

[boppers]

28. Nicely put. eom

[JoeyT]

78. Yeah, because if what's being done to you now isn't worse than anything that's ever been done to

anyone in history, you have no right to complain about it.

There are basically two groups defending the TSA. The first are people that would be positively fucking livid if Bush were still president, but it's ok now. You know, the dishonest. The second are people that are scared out of their minds of leaving their houses and nothing, and I mean nothing, trumps a promise of safety to them. Even if the promise is a completely empty one, fear trumps all. We have a word for that too.

[awoke_in_2003]

150. "livid if Bush were still president"...

excellent point. They are the same people who are for the continuing wars that never end.

[Mona Blue]

126. Yup.

Some people think they're so indispensable.

[fascisthunter]

7. because of Mothers like her, we may be able to reverse this Crap

If enough people get pissed off we can change things. Your dismissive attitude is what gets countries into this mess because you don't give a damn about freedoms and rights enough to prevent them from happening more and more. All this chipping away at rights is sending us down a slippery slope. When is enough enough?

[MADem]

71. I doubt it. They'll probably quietly profile people who look/act like her. nt

[Arctic Dave]

29. You are completely wrong,

they need to be harassed and ridiculed from the time they leave their porch to the time they get back on it. Fascist should never get a rest.

[BeliQueen]

30. Americans only have the rights we defend

If we continue to allow a police state to chip away at our fourth amendment rights through capitulation at an airport screening, then we can't sustain that right when we're confronted by a unlawful search and seizure of our homes by police officers.

To say that we have to change our behavior or actions when this right is spelled out clearly in our Constitution is to say that the Constitution is no longer a governing document in our society.

No screening at the airport will ever replace good solid police work. Search warrants are extremely effective in obtaining evidence and preventing attacks.

Random screenings are theater for those comforted by entertainment.

[awoke_in_2003]

151. The Patriot Act...

already allows for unlawful searches of homes. As long as they THINK you have some terrorist connection they can violate your rights. The patriot act was wrong when bush signed it into law, and Obama was wrong when he extended it.

[Gormy Cuss]

49. It's really a shame that more people aren't belligerent

and if the only "verbal abuse" was that she peppered her conversation with expletives, shame on the TSA, and by extension shame on all of us.

[toppertwot]

52. DON`T FLY - BUT,

they will soon be at the mall, grocery store, high school graduation etc. to grab your crotch and other crap. So, do not worry - your time is right around the corner.

[MadMaddie]

53. If it was just the adult I would totally agree with you

but this is a child, a parents duty is to protect that child and if my child were patted down by some of the folks who I have seen at the check points...I would potentially respond the same way.

[krabigirl]

66. um, you actually think she should go to JAIL for that? I can see making her leave the airport.

even though I 100% disagree with the TSA and want it disbanded. However, being arrested for it? UNBELIEVABLE.

Oh, and I have stopped flying.

[pitohui]

98. once she puts up a fuss/distraction like this, she needs to be arrested and searched

otherwise this will be a great loophole for the bad guys to use

bad guys can be "moms" too, there was a "mom" involved in the liquids plot in the u.k.

a long term jail sentence, no, but removing her to the local jail, searching and booking, and making sure there isn't more to the story such as she was trying to distract from hidden contraband she planted on her daughter...that's kinda mandatory once someone flips out at the airport

you are not even allowed to make JOKES whilst being screened, because protocol requires that your statements be taken seriously and investigated

how much less are you allowed to start screaming and verbally abusing people who are at WORK?

i wouldn't want to screamed and accused of child molesting while just doing my job, would you? that kind of crap has the potential to ruin lives

a short visit to jail and release on recognizance once it's shown she's just a fuckwit (as opposed to trying to smuggle drugs, weapons etc. on her daughter) is fine with me

i hate people who scream and yell for no reason except they think they're more entitled than i

[sabrina 1]

100. I hope she joins all other citizens who are suing the TSA.

This whole fake security garbage is for one purpose only, to continue to profit from 9/11 and if the American become this scared of an event that has less chance of happening than being struck by lightening, they do not deserve the Constitution these tactics are violating.

If you don't want to be accused of child molestation, then don't do it.

Texas passed a law a few months ago detailing the disgusting and abusive practices of the TSA making them illegal. The Fed Govt in retaliation, threatened to stop flights from Texas. They are one of 11 states who are now working on ending these abuses of American citizens. Congress also has a bill before it to end the abuses also. There were hearings yesterday on the TSA's disgraceful abuse of the American public.

If someone threatened to touch any child in my care the way the TSA has been doing, I would do a lot more than scream to protect that child. And anyone who doesn't is a negligent parent.

[MADem]

119. +1--and I would like to see a more automated/sniffer tech approach, but there's no need to be

belligerent or vicious to people who are just doing their job the way they were trained.

[daleo]

145. Everything you said would have applied in the USSR too. n/t

[grahamhgreen]

82. Don't be a perv.

[Mona Blue]

125. Very good point.

Take teh train.

[NYC_SKP]

130. Exactly!

Hi, just checking in--

:hi:

[Veronica.Franco]

153. Some "officers" of TSA gets a kick out of abusing some people ....

I was STALKED into the ladies room in Oakland while traveling with my husband three weeks ago. I am a 55 year old woman who had to URINATE after a two hour drive to the airport and so they singled me out. I was the ONLY one out of the line selected for extra screening. STALKING and PROFILING is against TSA guidelines and yet the women who did this to me laughed and got a kick out of jerking me around. They did NOT try to disguise the pleasure they were having.

I reported them, have an attorney, and will fight this. There was no reason to abuse me the way they did. Anyone who believes this treatment is "fair and reasonable" is buying the lie. The people I dealt with were abusive.

I have been an employer in The Bay Area for 25 years and am well-trained in Human Resources. Sexual harassment and stalking is not within the TSA security guidelines.

The TSA "officers" aren't finding anyone that needs extra screening (it's just a bunch of tired folks finally going on vacation) so they are creating suspects for fear of being laid off. There are FIVE people standing around with NOTHING to do at each area and it's obvious they know that if they don't find someone to jerk around eventually their jobs will end ... as they should ...

I will fight to cut TSA's budget.

[onethatcares]

5. I got an idea.

why don't we just call the TSA prior to going to the airport and make them come out to wherever we happen to be living/staying/cohabitating/etc, they can watch us shower and dress prior to getting into one of their vehicles for the trip to the airport. The could also help pack our bags to insure nothing is going on the plane they don't know about.

They could charge about 30 bucks for the show and ride. It turns this entire thing into a win=win situation. Smaller lines in the airports and TSA will become self supporting.

wudda you guys think?

[0rganism]

12. You're definitely onto something here!

Heck, if this catches on (and I don't know why it wouldn't) the TSA can pull double-duty as a paid "escort" service, perhaps offering relaxing full body massages with release for a premium, or hanging out in terminal bars with the high rollers.

This could be the foundation for a whole new era of federal employment opportunities to resolve our jobs crisis; it's the kind of "government stimulus" folks could really get behind... From no-jobs to blow-jobs in one fell swoop!

[Fire1]

6. Oh yeah. Now you have to let em poke, fondle, rub and squeeze.

[okieinpain]

9. people should just accept it. I've flown twice in the last two years

and it's not that bad. better then being blown up by some fool thousands of feet in the air. people keep saying they don't do this in Israeli, well that's because they discriminate and only search the Muslims.


Some suggest U.S. look at Israeli airport screening methods

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_17b9b79e-f6a1-11df-b071-0017a4a78c22.html

[surforegon]

15. Just no.

And doing it Israels way is not the answer.

[okieinpain]

143. well I'm not sure what is. people say stop the pat downs, but

just as soon as they stop some nut case is going to strap on something and kill a bunch of folks. of course they could do the same thing while they are standing in the line waiting for a pat down, did I say that out loud.

[Mojorabbit]

22. I hate it when I hear people say this

"oh, I have flown and it isn't bad at all". I took a trip a few years ago before the enhanced patdowns and was patted down coming and going. I was made to stand with my legs spread while a tsa person yelled at me to keep them spread. My breasts were felt up and a wand waved waved between my legs. I felt horribly violated both times. It was pretty bad to me. I have traveled all over the world and never have been treated like this in any other country.

[okieinpain]

142. I understand, but it's interesting times. n/t.

[14thColony]

23. Since when do they "only search the Muslims"?

I've flow in and out of Ben Gurion International several times and my Anglo-Saxon self got questioned and searched as well. Every page of my passport inspected, my bags opened and checked pocket by pocket in my presence. I have no doubt people with passports from Arab states or people with Arab and/or Muslim names (not always the same thing) get it even worse, but I had 30 minutes worth of personal attention each time.

Now I'm no great fan of Israel to be sure, but I have to admit their staff are highly professional, very efficient, and (to me, most important), extremely polite and respectful at all times. I hate to admit it, but Israeli airport security was FOR ME, a delight. Of course I imagine if I was a Palestinian Arab I would have a different point of view.

By the way, thw worst airport massacre in Israeli history was perpetrated by terrorists of the Japanese Red Army, so the Israelis would be morons to hone in on any one particular group.

[MADem]

65. My experience has been that if you're not Israeli, you're fair game.

And even if you are Israeli, if you don't "act correct," you can have trouble. The Israelis profile. In America, that's "illegal." In Israel, it's business as usual.

You're watched way before you get to the check-in, too. There are people who watch the crowd on monitors, zoom in on people, look for distracted expressions, flop sweat, darting eyes, that kind of thing. If you're a person who always feels a bit "guilty," or are high strung, you're not going to enjoy Israeli security. If you weren't singled out for additional screening, it is because--and ONLY because--you didn't trip any of their triggers. Spent time in Yemen? Bend over, here it comes again. They've also already gathered intel on you, and if you come up on any lists--even for something minor--you can expect a bit more attention.

This article is instructive:

Israel’s Airport Security, Object Of Envy, Is Hard To Emulate Here

System Based on Interaction and Group Profiling Doesn’t Travel Well


Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/122781/#ixzz1S3EeqU9m

Here's a salient snippet:

...The multi-layer system begins outside Israel’s biggest port of entry — Ben Gurion airport. Cars approaching the terminal are stopped by guards and asked one or two questions, usually about where they are coming from or what is the purpose of their visit. A nervous response, or one revealing an Arab accent, could trigger further scrutiny even before entering the airport.

When walking into the terminal, visitors pass by another set of security agents searching for passengers behaving suspiciously. The next stop for human evaluation is before the check-in counter, where passengers are required to show their travel documents and answer a series of seemingly standard questions from trained security personnel. (Did you pack your bags by yourself? How long did you spend in Israel? What was the purpose of your visit?) Screeners are interested more in the tone and body language than in the content of passengers’ replies.

This is also the point where profiling takes place: While most Jewish Israeli citizens will be waved through after the brief conversation, others, mainly Israeli Arabs and non-Jewish visitors, will be taken aside for lengthy questioning and a thorough luggage and physical check.

An Israeli official aware of the security practices said that profiling is not based solely on ethnic, religious or national affiliation, but rather on a combination of factors that also include behavioral patterns, travel information and previous intelligence.

[14thColony]

80. Very good article, thanks

And this very much reflects my experience as well. Although you and the article use the term "profiling" it's hard to explain to people that it's not THAT kind of profiling -- they profile people who draw their attention for some reason, and ethnicity is merely one factor in a long equation.

My colleague on my last trip, a Norwegian military officer (we were both NATO officers at the same HQ) got the extra special questioning before check-in because he had a Jordanian stamp in his visa. He politely explained that he was there at a counterterrorism conference co-hosted by the Israeli government, and after a few minutes of consultation with supervisors, the inspector sent him on. I did notice off to one side another security officer observing him whenever the first one turned away. It's a pretty sophisticated system they have, and as you mention it's very much multi-layered. Even post-security/passport control you can sometimes go through another security check, and I remember thinking "they're really not that interested in seeing my boarding card again, they're more interested in how I react to them seeing my boarding card again."

Of course I must admit, the fact the vast majority of security officers who directly interact with the public are very attractive Israeli women in their mid-20s helped sooth any glimmer of frustration I might have felt. I have no doubt that's part of the plan as well. Only airport I've ever been through where I wanted my bags to get searched, and as slowly as possible.

[MADem]

120. Good looking women will make the misogynistic terrorists, like Muhamad Atta, think they're

smarter than the young lady, too. While they might enjoy the view, they'll also be put off by an "unclean" woman touching their things and demanding answers from them--which, yeah, would be a good way to suss out any suspicious behavior.

In America, the TSA is not allowed to factor in ethnicity or national origin (though often the passengers on the flight will do it FOR them). I really think they ought to use it as "a" factor, but not "the" factor. After all, they profile males of a certain age, and women who are going to visit their "fiance" in certain countries....so why not just jump in that pool and use every tool in the toolbox? At least people will know what they're in for, and why. And I have to suspect that, even while denying it, they're doing it (in an unsanctioned, casual sort of way). If that's the case they'd be better off with an established protocol.

It's not a bad idea to get extra leaves for your passports, to keep your Israeli visits separate from those to Saudi Arabia! They will give you crap on both ends...it's just so ridiculous!

[saras]

37. And since being blown up happens so often compared to being groped...

There are thousands of things that happen to people more often than terrorist incidents, with worse consequences. We don't, in general, bother to protect ourselves from such things because they are simply to rare to be worth worrying about. In the real world, likewise "terrorism", especially if we quit provoking, funding, arming, and training terrorists.

[KoKo]

46. _+1 Good Points!

[okieinpain]

141. well I'm not a big fan of it because it's never the cute blond

it's always bubba. but I don't think they are doing this just to be doing it. do yo?

[Veronica.Franco]

154. Happened to me three weeks ago ...

BECAUSE I looked different from the TSA "officers". They were all BLACK women and at least 200 lbs. They wore their hair and makeup exactly alike. It was like a gang from a woman's PRISON. They stalked me into the women's bathroom, because I had to URINATE, and then singled me out for extra screening. I am "cute" 5'6" and 125 lbs. I was wearing denim shorts, a tshirt, and sandals. They thought they'd jerk me around and proceeded to to so. AND they laughed.

You're wrong. More often then not the minority women in OAKLAND went after WHITE WEALTHY WOMEN who's only crime was they were going on vacation.

As a very liberal woman who has spent her life fighting for equal rights for women it was a very sad day for me. The minute these women were given authority over another woman THEY ABUSED IT.

[Devil_Fish]

47. are you sure your posting this on the correct web site? NT

[okieinpain]

140. yeah, why you say that. am I suppose to leave and go some

where else?

[KoKo]

48. You got lucky.... Think about your fellow travellers..who might not be so lucky

in the "hub system" they might have to fly through that is targeted by TSA more heavily. Frequent business travellers either go through radiation over and over because they are flagged for something or get patted in places where they might have some medical problem and the fear of having that exposed forces them through more radiation than needed.

[MadMaddie]

54. Israel also employs other tactics

such as car check points before they even get near the airport. They use behavior profiling too...

The U.S is the only country that uses the scanning machines and the list goes on

[20score]

61. I've flown twice this week and average about seven flights a month. And if someone dares to refuse a

porno-scanner as I did once after going through about four that week - and was tired and sick of the routine - you are punished for your insolence. The bastard TSA agent at SFO 'racked' me twice while giving his pat-down. There was no mistaking that it was done punitively.

How can you, or anyone else excuse that happening to thousands of travelers?

And the safety argument is pure unadulterated bullshit! I work in aviation and could easily come up with a thousand holes in security. So, you give up your privacy, and rights and get nothing in return.

Great side you picked in this debate.

[krabigirl]

67. I won't accept it. I won't fly, unless I absolutely have to.

I have to visit relatives overseas every few years, and they don't scan you as much when leaving the US. It is the domestic flights that are worse. I won't do them.

Coming back to the US is bad, too, but I don't mind the treatment in foreign airports. It's different.

[buckrogers1965]

83. I just use my lucky rock.

It not only protects me from terrorists, it also keeps bears away.

[Name removed]

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[Dutchmaster]

11. people on here actually advocating we accept this?

What a couple of disgusting sheeple you are. Good on this mother, she shouldn't be arrested she should be given an award and made a congresswoman.

[cstanleytech]

18. Oh, you invented a

foolproof way to detect any and all explosives and weapons to prevent another 9/11 without the need to do any any pat down searches, cool.

Edit: BTW dont forget to patent it.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

20. So you will have no objection if these appear at the airport?

Because TSA heavy petting won't find anything concealed vaginally.

[cstanleytech]

33. Since Dutchmaster came up with his invention there wont be any need for any

searches at all so the thing is moot.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

40. answer the question,

Would you submit to a gynecological exam to board an airplane?

[cstanleytech]

42. If I wanted to travel on an airplane in order to get somewhere faster

I probably would, I wouldnt like it though.
My turn now, if you were in charge of the TSA what would you tell the mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews of say 3000 or more people if they were to be killed by some more asshats who decided to ram some more planes into some more buildings because you refused to allow patdowns? Oops?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

57. "Shit Happens..." but I appreciate that you are so forthcoming

Even the most prolific TSA sock puppets around here won't go that far.

9/11 happened because people followed policies and regulations based on the hijackings of the 1970's to the letter. Airport security of the time could have fisted the 9/11 hijackers and they still would have made their flights because because the boxcutters were not banned at the time. I traveled with the very knife pictured below for many years, it was part of a little travel tool kit from radioshack.



9/11 was a failure of policies from another era, it wasn't caused by the absence of swaggering morons molesting and generally harassing the traveling public.

[cstanleytech]

64. So you would tell them "Shit happens" ?

True enough I suppose though that probably would be cold comfort to them.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

81. It saw the British through thirty years of IRA terrorism

Much preferable to cowering like idiots and making Republicans rich while bankrupting ourselves.

[KoKo]

89. +1

[cstanleytech]

103. So pretend it didnt happen and maybe the bad men wont do it again?

Interesting tactic, course it does have a downside in that we might be in for a world more of hurt if they decide next time to crash the airplanes into a nuclear plant.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

106. No... fight the terrorists and not the American people.

[cstanleytech]

112. How would you fight them then? After all its not like

they are wearing a sign over their heads that proclaims "Hi, I am a terrorist. Happy to meet you can you direct me to the cockpit?"

[MADem]

117. The British countered IRA terrorism with some of the most intrusive

counterterrorism methods imaginable. They did shit that Americans would scream bloody murder at....warantless wiretaps, opening mail at the drop of a hat, opressive surveillance, and of course, they led the way with cameras, cameras, everywhere...we got the idea from them.

The Brits, too, willingly queue, patiently in fact, and if the policeman tells you to step out of the queue and remove your jacket to enjoy a bit of a search, you do it--"cowering like idiots?" Naaah, they just have that "common good" thing down.

Going through Heathrow or Gatwick or even Luton isn't a walk in the park, either. They had onerous security BEFORE 911 (I was getting to the airport two to three hours ahead of time in the nineties). And they have body scanners now....so, really, using the Brits as an example of some sort of forebearance is probably not the best example.

[KoKo]

88. You've bought into the Bush fear, when you are so terrified you want more and

more extreme and invasive procedures put upon citizens of this country.

[arikara]

109. If somebody wants to do something

they will find a way, gropings and porno scanners or not.

[noiretextatique]

dupe

[noiretextatique]

111. so...groping little girl's crotches makes us safe?!

and i'm sure you wouldn't mind if a TSA agent groped your daughter's crotch...for the safety of america :patriot:

[joeglow3]

137. What is the better option?

We are really faced with only 2 options:

1. Scan nobody and hope for the best, or
2. Scan EVERYBODY.

TO be honest, I believe, if used properly, profiling works. However, there is the possibility of abuse and, we as a nation, have determined we are not comfortable with that risk. In my opinion, scan nobody is flat out unacceptable. Thus, we need to accept some level of profiling or accept pat downs of EVERYONE.

None of these are desireable solutions. However, in life you often have to choose the best of multiple shitty choices. Some people will analyze, suck it up and make the decision and others will just bitch no matter what option is chosen.

[joeglow3]

136. Chicken Little much

[LanternWaste]

94. I imagine there is no way to "detect any and all explosives...

I imagine there is no way to "detect any and all explosives and weapons to prevent another 9/11" regardless of whether pat-downs are procedure or not... :shrug:

Not very "cool" at all I would think.

[cstanleytech]

104. True there probably is no way to be

100% safe but on the other hand I dont believe we should make it just as easy for them to repeat it either.

[trud]

13. Give that woman a medal

or at least her own Facebook page.

[jwirr]

14. This ironic. For years we teach our children that they should report

anyone who touches them inappropriately. Then we create a police force that gets to touch them in that way. It does not matter what age this daughter is I understand the mother's feelings.

[freshwest]

108. +1

[Newest Reality]

17. Glad to see brave people object

Acceptance of these searches only means that you will be accepting them in more places. Then, there will be another invasive item to allow and accept, etc.

How about a good groping before you get on a train or a bus or while driving in your car? Will it be acceptable when you get the same treatment at every public event you attend? How much is too much, then?

At some point, accepting won't be an issue or an option because everything will be in place, mandatory and, of course for your safety. In fact, you will be so safe that every move you make will be monitored and regulated with stiff fines and penalties for failure to comply.

Odd to hear people advocate for intimate groping in a country where liberty was valued and the Constitution protected it.

Orwell wrote the playbook. Ben Franklin warned you about trading freedom for safety. Proceed at your own risk.

[MADem]

75. You're a little late to the party, I'm afraid. We're going on ten years of these searches.

They are no longer "new." They are established. The time to gripe was ten years ago. There is no impetus/momentum to get rid of them. In fact, because of the new machines, there's far less groping than there was in 2002. The best one can hope for is that technology finds a way to make the searches less obviously intrusive, with, for example, sniffer technology that will allow people to pass through a box, have their air sample analyzed, and be on their merry way. That's still a ways away, though.

Further, it's unlikely that any advocate for less airport security, rather than more, will gain any traction when airports continue to have access failures that cause great concern with the flying public. People don't love the whole TSA process, but they love the idea of their plane plunging out of the sky owing to a terrorist causing mayhem in the cabin even less. It's a "common good" inconvenience.

But whatever. The windmill is over that way, tilt away.

[KoKo]

90. You want frequent flyers to get x-rayed every time they travel?

You want the kids either touched up...or put their little bodies through those x-rays over and over the three times a year they fly to see Grandma?

[MADem]

121. The amount of radiation they are exposed to is equal to two minutes of flying at altitude.

I'd advise frequent flyers to select airlines with the best "on time" records--because they can get just as much exposure flying in circles waiting to land.

The exposure is less than a dental x-ray.

I'd worry more about little kids talking to Grandma for twenty minutes at a crack on Mommy's cell phone plastered right next to their thin little craniums, frankly.

[KoKo]

144. Give me the data on TSA checking their Machines...and I might understand your Innocence about

Radiation Exposure. There are some younger DU'ers who don't really seem to understand that Radiation Builds Up according to Exposure throughout one's Lifetime...and therefore they think that "WHO THE HELL CARES if I get ZAPPED or My KIDS GET ZAPPED...I'm Young and don't need to WORRY.

Think Again!

Do YOUR ON GOOGLE...for respected sites who talks about "Cumulative Radiation Exposure." Then get back to me.

[MADem]

147. No, you do the google, and read contextually.

So, you're saying that the equivalent of two additional minutes flying time's worth of radiation is going to kill the kiddies? Because it comes from a machine?

Please. Best to keep them off planes entirely, then, because you do know--or maybe you don't--that the higher up you are, altitude-wise, the more radiation you're exposed to? It doesn't matter where your "cumulative radiation" comes from, you see...or maybe you don't.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

19. Headline should read "Nashville mother refuses to allow strange adult to touch childs sex organs"

The tyranny of cowards...

[MADem]

76. That's not accurate--the mother actively refused the backscatter machine screening.

She didn't want someone looking at the x-ray representations, that was her main gripe. It's right there in the article. The "touching" only happens if a person refuses the machine screening, or if the machine picks up something odd under the clothing.

“(She) told me in a very stern voice with quite a bit of attitude that they were not going through that X-ray,” Sabrina Birge, an airport security officer, told police.

“No, it’s not an X-ray,” she told Abbott. “It is 10,000 times safer than your cell phone and uses the same type of radio waves as a sonogram.”

“I still don’t want someone to see our bodies naked,” Abbott said....

[DeSwiss]

21. K&R

"What no one seemed to notice was the ever widening gap between the government and the people. And it became always wider the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated by the machinations of the "national enemies," without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us.

Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. Each act is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone, you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes.

That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father could never have imagined."

~Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)

[SoapBox]

25. The TSA is out of control...AND, what happened to the daughter?

Did you know that once you begin the screening process, that you canNOT turn back?

And yup...TSA and their Homeland ilk are out of control.

[freshwest]

110. That's a good question. I guess she was taken into the jail, too. IDK about not being able to leave?

[MADem]

131. The daughter got on the flight to Baltimore.

Turns out, the "child" was a teenager. http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2198950.shtml?cat=600

There's a little more detail in that link; I'm sorry, this woman sounds like she didn't take her meds, or something.

...Officer Karen King then came to do a pat-down, but according to King’s affidavit, "(Abbott) started to yell that she had already been screened and that I was not going to grab her daughter’s crotch."

King told her that was not part of the pat-down, but Abbott continued saying that King could not touch the girl, who was identified as a teenager. The daughter’s age was not given in the police report...
Abbott told him the pat down was "child abuse" but eventually let her daughter be screened. However, she tried to film the pat down with her cell phone, cursing at Nolen when he told her to stop.

After her daughter was screened she began to walk away and refused to go back to be patted down herself, cursing and telling the officers, "I’m done with you people," according to the police report.

...The daughter was escorted to her gate by airport police.

[defendandprotect]

31. RW is perverted -- they won't be happy until they have full body cavity searches ... as a norm!!

[krabigirl]

70. RW? you must be joking.

[defendandprotect]

105. Do the "scans" they use show internal organs?

How do you think they'll solve the problem?

And also keep in mind what goes on in our prisons -- jails -- !!

We even had a woman here in one of our local towns about a decade ago arrested

for not having her license or something with her -- and they did a full body search.

Lots of complaints -- but slowly, for the sake of the protecting us against terrorism --

imagine they'll get there!!



:evilgrin:


-- Notice also what's happening all over the world with the rise of the right --

sexual enslavement, etal --

[saras]

38. The next level: they genitally stimulate kids. Any respose indicates the parents are molesters.

Because real healthy sane right-wing kids would understand that it's normal to have strangers play with your genitals in public, and that you're not supposed to judge them for this, either positively or negatively.

If you like it, you're a pervert.
If you dislike it, you're antiauthoritarian.

Guess you need to take your happy pills. You're just too EMOTIONAL.

[Lucinda]

43. Just eww.

:eyes:

[MADem]

77. Who the fuck even thinks like that? That is a sick assertion you're making.

Incredibly perverted. Seek help.

If the woman had availed herself of the low dose MACHINE that was at the airport, instead of screaming at the TSA that she didn't want to be "x-rayed," there would have been no need to manually screen anyone.

[Missy Vixen]

95. What are your thoughts on the FACT that images from a backscatter machine can be saved/retained?

The images are detailed enough to identify the person, and to determine whether or not a woman is menstruating.

For those who just don't think this is that big of a deal, TSA (and others,) found out this was possible after a TSA training exercise, when other employees made fun of a co-worker's penis size.

It is a matter of time until someone decides to upload images to the Web. What if it was you, a family member or friend? How would you feel?

[MADem]

116. They've adjusted the images so that the faces are obscured.

The machines have the capability, but the capability is disabled before the machines are shipped and installed.

I imagine that anyone stupid enough to 'upload images to the web' would have his or her ass fired so fast it wouldn't be funny. It wouldn't be too difficult to find out which machine had been tampered with to reactivate the storage capability, and from there, figure out who was screening on that machine.

I have a decrepit old body and if you want to have a peek at my backscatter pin-ups, knock yourself out. You'll probably want to gouge your eyes out afterwards. I'd also look forward to a hefty payday, in the unlikely event that I was somehow identifiable.

If you think I believe that this backscatter/advanced imaging technology is "the answer" to the problem of assholes trying to blow up airplanes, why no, I don't. I like sniffer tech, but that's a ways away at this stage.

[Missy Vixen]

139. Evidently, you didn't read my comments.

TSA agents were put through a backscatter machine in Florida. The images were recognizable enough to identify a male agent with a small penis. His co-workers harassed him for a year over it.

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/naked-scanner-reveal.html

Keep insisting that the identity of those going through the machines are "disabled". It is a matter of time until those images show up on the Web. After all, they didn't fire TSA agents in Seattle for OPENLY ADMITTING they helped themselves to the "confiscated items" barrel at Sea-Tac's screening area, among other things.

[MADem]

148. I did read what you wrote--and I told you they now obscure the faces.

The only way they recognized that guy's dick is if they recognized his facial features, or they knew the dick by sight.

That article you posted is over a year old. There have been tweaks to the system since then which include obscuring facial features. It' not identities that are disabled, it is the recording capability. The machines are shipped and installed that way.

You can crab about this till the cows come home. You're not changing anything by griping at me because you don't like this new paradigm. It may make you feel important, but the time to complain about this was ten years ago, when Nahn Wun Wun changed ever-thang. The airport security standards are not going to be rolled back. The only hope for improvement is advancements in technology, like sniffer tech, that make the "nekkid scans" unnecessary.

[Missy Vixen]

149. So, "obscuring the faces" makes it right

when it's already been shown that images can be saved and disseminated elsewhere? Please.

I might also mention that anyone believing the PR spin re: backscatter scanners out of Chertoff's company is naive at the least.

>You're not changing anything by griping at me because you don't like this new paradigm. It may make you feel important, but the time to complain about this was ten years ago, when Nahn Wun Wun changed ever-thang.<

Oh. I see. My civil rights are for sale because you believe there's nothing wrong with a visual strip search to get on an airliner, or a patdown search to attend a sporting event.

I might also mention that you have no idea what any of us did or did not do to STOP the erosion of our civil rights, so perhaps you're the one who should sit down and shut up, hm?

[Historic NY]

44. She should take the train then.

[KoKo]

45. What if the train doesn't take her where she needs to go, though?

:shrug:

[MADem]

68. Go GREYHOUND...and leave the driving to US!!!

http://www.greyhound.com/

[KoKo]

86. Have you been on a Greyhound Bus recently...and with children?

This ain't your Grandmother's Greyhound Bus...

[MADem]

122. Take the train, then!

Not all buses are dens of inequity--but if you're worried, AMTRAK is quite pleasant.

Bottom line--if you want to go somewhere on an airplane, the TSA search is now the paradigm. The time to complain about additional searches was ten years ago, when they were just getting the protocols started.

With the scanning technology, the process, though still onerous and irritating (everything in the gray bins, shoes off, push the crap through the machines, step through the metal detector, do the "up against the wall" thing with the scanner, and then, if they're not happy, the wand and more) is a pain in the ass, but it is way better than the universal searches of everything that were happening immediately post-Nahn-Wun-Wun. That was so annoying that I used to send my crap ahead so I didn't have to deal with it.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

58. The TSA takes the train too

I had an altercation with the TSA on the San Diego trolley of all places, I told them i'm not flying anywhere today and to go fuck themselves, they told me to chill out and that they were just looking for "Mexican Americans".

[sarcasmo]

51. OBEY!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

55. I hope the judge dismisses the disorderly conduct charges.

And the prosecution witnesses don't show up.
And the defense moves for a default judgment, if charges are not dismissed.
And the judge grants the default judgment.
And the defense wins.
And the taxpayers' money has been wasted.
And the lawyers' and parties' time has been wasted.


Yes i am a lawyer.
But I don't play one on TV. :D

[JustAmused]

56. LOL

I love threads like this. They let me update my ignore list so easily. Has the site name changed to BlueDogSecurityStateEnablerDemocraticUnderground ???
So many of the posters defending this nonsense sound like they have the repub empathy gene. You know, the one that makes you go....well if it doesn't effect me then it must be ok.

Anyway the more they post their "Hey hey whatta ya say, security state is fine with me" nonsense, the easier time I have reading DU once I ignore them...lol

[20score]

59. There are issues like this, deregulating polluters, slavery, the drug war, etc., where one side is

so obviously wrongheaded and one side so obviously correct, as to make the wrongheaded side and their rationales an embarrassment to the whole human race.

[wordpix]

60. I had a full pat down at a DC museum b/c the buzzer went off - it was my cell in my pocket

forgot to take it out and that made me a terror suspect

[MADem]

62. I'll bet Greyhound or AMTRAK could have accomodated her.

Her picture is not confidence-inspiring. I know you're not supposed to profile, but the photo at the link looks like "Hard Drug Abuser" to me...

The report does not list her daughter’s age. The mother and daughter were traveling from Nashville to Baltimore on Southwest Airlines.

“(She) told me in a very stern voice with quite a bit of attitude that they were not going through that X-ray,” Sabrina Birge, an airport security officer, told police.

“No, it’s not an X-ray,” she told Abbott. “It is 10,000 times safer than your cell phone and uses the same type of radio waves as a sonogram.”

“I still don’t want someone to see our bodies naked,” Abbott said, according to the police report.

[krabigirl]

69. wow..you are judging someone from a mug shot?! you do realize most people look like crap in them?

hard drug user? really?

authoritarians scare me.

[MADem]

73. Well, those "wonderful" Israelis with their "unobtrusive" system would give her the

full treatment -- based on her appearance. That's profiling for you.

I'm not an authoritarian, so put away the smelling salts. I had the shit screened out of me for years--the Bush years--and I didn't like it one bit. But this is the new paradigm, and until we can put people in individual capsules that absorb an explosion, that's how it's gonna be for the near term.

I also think that any idiot who arrives at an airport not knowing what they are in for, in this day and age, is either incredibly stupid or looking for trouble. This woman, based on her approach to TSA, sounded like the latter to me.

What made this woman think that her daughter (age unknown) would somehow be 'excused' from screening? That's a red flag....as in "Don't look at her, my drugs are in her underwear!"

And if you read the article, they had one of those backscatter jobs on the premises; no need for pat-downs unless there's something sketchy stashed in the undergarments.

She was on her way to Baltimore--trains and buses go there. That would have been a better move for her, IMO.

[JoeyT]

79. I'll assume you aren't an authoritarian

So how long before "Anyone that goes to the airport..." becomes "Anyone that uses mass transport of any kind..." becomes "Anyone that drives on the freeway..." becomes "Anyone that drives a car..." becomes "Anyone that leaves their house..." becomes "Anyone in their house..."? Once authority of any kind are granted powers, they never relinquish them willingly, and they always try to expand them further. So at exactly what point in that chain does this become unreasonable to you?

By the way, the TSA is already searching people on trains. So you should probably stop using that one. We're already on step two of that chain. They're searching them as they're getting OFF the trains, by the way. Which exposes the entire "safety" thing as a complete and utter lie.

[MADem]

124. Really? Getting off the trains? You have an article we can read on that?

Are you sure of your facts?

My understanding was that TSA was using canine explosive detection teams and other sniffer assets, as well as cargo inspectors, on a random basis in response to credible threat--and they came up with that idea post-Madrid and London. Are you sure they're "searching people on trains" or just having the dog walk through the cars?

[KoKo]

87. Why are you so afraid? Did you see the latest? Terrorists implanting devices

and so TSA would be looking for recent surgery scars? How you think they are going to look for "recent surgery scars?" If we weren't killing innocents all over the world and calling them "collateral damage" and we hadn't done such extreme measures here maybe the terrorists wouldn't have to resort to more and more extreme measures. This is fear tactics and invasion of privacy. We have the right to travel and forcing people to go through invasion of their bodies by examination by strangers and unlimited x-rays if you don't want to be touched ...IS an invasion of privacy.

[MADem]

127. I love the nightly news--they took that story and RAN with it.

They were loving it too--they milked that "implant bomber" story like a prize cow. It was based on an idea that some terrorist idiot posted on a Jihadi website. Every doctor I saw interviewed said that the human body is a helluva good casing, and they'd have a hard time rigging anything to explode and do sufficient damage. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/06/national/main20077155.shtml

The source said that the sense is that the threat was "aspirational and not a hard threat." However, officials are concerned that some kind of plot is in the works by the Yemeni group, Milton reports. The law enforcement source told CBS News they feel the United States is due for an attempted attack...

...There is no intelligence pointing to a specific plot, but the U.S. shared its concerns last week with executives at domestic and international carriers, The Associated Press reported.

...The law enforcement source told CBS News that officials believe that the implantation tactic would be challenging for terrorists to successfully carry out...

Apparently, some asshole (and that's an apt term) tried to kill a Saudi Prince by shoving a full pound of explosives up his butt and a detonator, that he activated when he approached the Prince. The Prince escaped with a few scratches, the butt bomber, he died.

[flpab]

91. people of the airport, worst than walmart

I work at an airport. I see the worst of the worst and ignorance rules. I am sick of the drunks, druggies, stinky, dirty people that fly today. It is getting so bad. I must say that the word out on the diaper lady was that she had pooped her diaper so bad that TSA asked her daughter to clean her up. Would you have wanted to sit next to her on a plane like that? EWhy did they not have a backup diaper for this women that poops her pants? I won't get into the nasty pax that we see getting on the plane but you would bring a cover for your plane seat. Yuck. I had a women scream at me because we didn't print her kids boarding pass for her return flight two weeks from now. You print it 24 hours before you return but she was stunned we would not put that return ticket in her daughters hand. The poor kid totally understood but the stupid mother did not. I just ignored the mom and explained to the kid how to do it for her return flight. she smiled and said I will do that, have my aunt print it or get it from the gate agent on the day I fly. Mom is still freaking out that she wasn't going to let her go without ticket. I have seen so much abuse at the counter and gate nothing surprises me at security. I don't agree with everything they do but if you saw the amount of crap, knifes, guns, a freaking samuri sword last week this guy was bringing on board you would not freak so much. The pax are nuts, unstable and scary crazy.

[NashVegas]

102. New Flying Requirements: All Passengers Will Be Screened For Proper Skin & Haircare and Luis Vuitton

Could you be more prejudiced against people who don't see the necessity to shell out $30 a month for exfoliating scrub & moisturizer?

[MADem]

128. She looks rode hard and put away wet--older than her stated age.

Now, that could be just her genetic fate, but if I had to guess, based on her belligerent and unseemly conduct, it's probably because she lives/plays HARD.

I can't help what my lying eyes observe. That's not prejudice, that's noting what I see. That woman looks like crap--like she's under the influence of something, or is craving the influence of something owing to addiction.

Having never shelled out a red cent for "exfoliating scrub and moisturizer," I have no idea what the going rate is--I assume your quote is high end? I'm more a fan of plain old soap and water.

[NashVegas]

135. Low Income Women From the Working Class Tend To Age Prematurely

You may think you can tell what drugs she does from how she looks, well I bet I can tell you she probably works doing physical labor.

And even if she is a tweaker - so what? In case you forgot, we're supposed to be looking for terrorists, not drug users.

[MADem]

146. How do you know she's a "low income" type from the "working class?"

I know rich cheapos who fly Southwest all the time.

Here's the bottom line--her behavior, and only her behavior, got her in that fix. She didn't read the sign that says "Entering this secure area constitutes a consent to search." She screamed and swore at people doing their jobs. Stupidity is not a defense.

And "even if she is a tweaker"--don't you think that might have had an influence on her moronic behavior? I do. She needs some help. Make her attend rehab as a condition of her parole.

Her daughter, the one she was all upset about? She took the flight to Baltimore.

[krabigirl]

72. Good for her. While I don't think swearing is the best way to do it, still, good for her!

[LisaL]

92. Does TSA have a right to pat anyone down without consent?

[pitohui]

97. yes they do and if you think for a moment you'll figure out why

once you have entered the screening area you are considered to have given consent and you must be screened even if you decide not to fly

otherwise, terrorists could enter the screening area, judge their chance of getting thru, and simply depart to try another day when they noticed an alert, pro-active staff actually screening people instead of chatting about parties and barbecues they plan to attend over the weekend

if you don't want to be screened, if you don't want your child screened, you have the option to drive, use general/private aviation, or stay home...you do NOT have the option to try to scream down the screening staff who is trying to keep the flight safe

it's 2011, if clarksdale "mom" doesn't know by now that commercial flights are screened, and that includes her precious entitled brat has to be screened, jail or a mental institution is prob. where she belongs because she's delusional

these entitled fuckwits make life harder for EVERYBODY

save the screaming for when you have something to scream about, stop crying "rape" and "child molester" just to ruin someone's day or even their life when they're trying to do their fucking job

[MADem]

129. You know, come to think of it, there's a bigass sign that says just that before you enter the secure

area. It's so much part of the landscape that I don't notice it, but yeah, it is there.

You come in here, you're consenting to search, blah, blah.

A few years ago, there was a court ruling that said that consent was not necessary:

http://www.metnews.com/articles/2007/auka081307.htm

[cstanleytech]

138. Yes, they appear to have the right to do a pat down unless congress passes a law saying they

do not (unlikely because almost no one in congress wants to be accused of supporting terrorists or being at fault if another 9/11 happens) or the SCOTUS says they dont have the right to do pat down, until or unless one or the other of those things happens about all you can do is either put up with it or choose other forms of travel when possible.

[Throd]

99. Only people hiding contraband in their bunghole would object to a bunghole search.

[Veronica.Franco]

152. submit to a strip-search at the airport ...

for no reason other then a customer of an airline who has a ticket to fly and get back to us on your experience ...

I think every single one of the TSA Officers should be strip-searched every day when they get to work ... they act suspicious to me ...

[Sivafae]

113. So how are we suppose to teach our children that they are in complete control of their body? eom

[Sivafae]

114. So how are we suppose to teach our children that they are in complete control of their body? eom

[Nihil]

133. Same as for every other aspect of "change" you'll see from now on ...

... add a rider that says "... unless the Homeland decides otherwise."

[Alameda]

132. I find it amazing so many are willing to give up privacy

for an illusion of safety. Open your eyes, you are not being made safer by the body scanners and "pat downs". In fact you are being duped while some are making big bucks off your vulnerability and fear, also, your health is being compromised by the radiation absorbed by your body from untested unproven technology.

[Nihil]

134. Cowardice & complicity with authority.

Be happy citizen: The Homeland has ordered it and you don't want to be seen
to be a traitor who doubts the wisdom of the Homeland do you?