NRA to UN: Don't Regulate US Arms Ownership

[SecularMotion]

Source: NY Times

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The National Rifle Association is telling the U.N. not to prohibit or regulate U.S. civilian ownership of guns as it drafts a treaty regulating the multibillion-dollar global arms trade.

The influential gun owners' lobbying group said in a statement released Friday that its vice president Wayne LaPierre addressed this week's meeting of countries negotiating the trade treaty for conventional arms

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/07/15/us/AP-UN-UN-Arms-Trade-Treaty.html?_r=1&hp

[fascisthunter]

1. the World to the NRA

STFU

[movonne]

2. After murdock we should go after the nra...too much power corrupts..

[MrDiaz]

8. Obama has alot of power.

Do you think he is corrupt?

[naaman fletcher]

3. Why so many DUers

want the populace unarmed while the banks rape us, I have no idea.

[jwirr]

5. Don't worry - not all of us are unarmed. Only someone totally in the

dark about the expected collapse would assume that being unarmed is preferable. It is not going to be safe when that happens. One difference I would guess is that DU gun owners are very careful about safety issues and that their guns/ammo are locked up and kept away from children. At least in our family they are.

Edited to say that I agree with the UN on this one. We supply the world with the weapons and then expect them not to use them. It is part of our empire building and it is one of the causes for so many wars.

[MrDiaz]

9. I Have mine

And i am prepared, because I think the wing-nuts on the right are going to start a huge riot when Obama gets elected again.

[AndyTiedye]

36. If Things Collapse We Hole Up in the Mountains and Wait for the Assholes to Run Out of Bullets

[ManiacJoe]

37. Funny, that is where the armed guys keep talking about going.

:evilgrin:

[JAnthony]

7. DUH !!!!!!!!! Maybe because bank rape CANNOT be fought with a ...

GUN!

DUH!

When you think education is expensive, try ignorance. When you think banks are screwing you, try to change laws, guns change nothing but leave a few more dead poor people. Banks can buy the biggest guns in the world.

[MrDiaz]

10. ?

"guns change nothing but leave a few more dead poor people. Banks can buy the biggest guns in the world."

They also save alot of lives.

[JAnthony]

13. Prove that more lives are here BECAUSE OF guns!

Impossible?

How about 1000 examples of guns in homes that wound up killing those same home dwellers?

How about 3000?

[JAnthony]

16. Try to get your facts straight........

"There is far more research on the question of who is most likely to get killed when someone keeps a gun at home. In a 1986 study called "Protection or Peril?," Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a University of Tennessee professor of medicine, and Dr. Donald Reay, chief medical examiner of King County in Washington, concluded that for each defensive, justifiable homicide there were 43 murders, suicides or accidental deaths. Out of 398 gunshot fatalities in homes in King County between 1978 and 1983, only nine were motivated by self- defense.
The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a national basis: only 14 of the 464 gun deaths resulted from defensive firing. An alarming 216 were suicides, 22 were accidental, and many of the rest involved homicides among people who knew each other well rather than citizens gunned down by strangers."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,152446,00.html#ixzz1SCpuVIjJ

Gun owners, advocates, lobbyists, and those with small male appendages fail to take this

"ONE LIFE SAVED FOR EVERY FORTY THREE DEATHS" statistic into account, often ignoring it entirely!

[TheWraith]

20. Um, that "study" has been proven to be false. And you're not even quoting it correctly.

Epidemiologists should not try to be criminologists any more than you should hire a proctologist to do brain surgery.

I suggest you read the works of a guy named Gary Kleck, criminologist at FSU. (Also an avowed liberal Democrat and ACLU member.) He started out doing research on firearms, only to find out that his own research disproved his own assumptions that more guns caused more deaths and crime.

In reality, despite the number of firearms in the US being at an all time high, violent crime is at a 40 year low, and accidental firearms deaths are at all time lows.

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[TheWraith]

24. It's been trashed by practically every major criminologist who has looked at it.

Kellerman treated guns like you would treat germs, equating correlation with causation, and did not at all control for other relevant factors. When you can show me how you get a gunshot wound from a dirty doorknob, maybe that will become relevant. 86% of his examples were suicides, and no one has ever provided evidence that owning a gun makes one more likely to commit suicide.

And I DID give you a cite, in the form of Gary Kleck's work. If you want a specific example, try his 1991 book "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America."

http://www.gunmyths.com/2009/04/05/myth-handguns-are-43-times-more-likely-to-kill-a-family-member-than-a-criminal/

[JAnthony]

23. INTERNET glitch duplication..

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. That is because the study was debunked...thanks for playing

[naaman fletcher]

12. Yeah right. Nt

[jwirr]

28. Ours are not intended to fight others but to defend ourselves in the

event of a total breakdown of society. Like if there are not police. We also hunt for some of what we eat. Although we grow most of it.

[kenfrequed]

19. This bill doesn't disarm anyone.

This is about international arms transfers and sales, not domestic.

[naaman fletcher]

21. :)

Yeah I confess I didn't actually read the article.

[X_Digger]

35. If it requires tracking domestic purchases on the possibility that they might end up in other places

Then that would require national registration- something that the NRA (and a large portion of its members) will never submit to.

[kenfrequed]

40. Again, ridiculous.

It would be to track lots and bulk purchases, not individual firearm purchases on a consumer level. Please try again.

[krabigirl]

31. not me. Although I don't own a firearm, I am 100% in support of gun rights.

[booley]

33. Were you going ot shoot the banks?

I am not sure if you're making a non-sequiter or a straw man.

[No Elephants]

34. No bank has ever raped, but armed people (and unarmed people) have.

[TexDevilDog]

43. Don't worry about being unarmed. Everything will be fine.

Except for New Orleans descended in to chaos in three days and people had to take care of themselves.

[Incitatus]

44. I know many on the left who are very well armed.

If the worst really does happen. There will be many on the other side that finally realize who the real enemies are.

[Erose999]

46. Theres a difference in "being unarmed" and supporting the NRA agenda of unregulated gun sales. If

those bastards at the NRA had their way every Jared Lee Loughner out there would be able to walk into the local Walmart and stock up on hi-cap mags, assault rifles, and cop-killer ammo. No background check, no questions asked.

The NRA is pissed that the fucking psychopaths and domestic terrorists out there have to be slightly inconvenienced and drive to a "gun show" to buy weapons without a background check.

[beevul]

50. Oh good grief.

"the NRA agenda of unregulated gun sales"

The nra has no such agenda. They support the background check system and restrictions on violent felons for example.

How does that square with "unregulated"?

"Jared Lee Loughner"

Using a perpetrator - one who was protected from getting proper care via his parents working for the county/city or whatever it was...and whos warning signs were ignored by those charged with seeing them, knowing them and taking action based on them, BECAUSE of that relationship - as an example for your screed...


Well, it fails.

"hi-cap mags"

The problem with so called "high cap" mags is what exactly?

"assault rifles"

Uh...no assault rifles are sold at wal mart. And none are sold without LENGTHY background checks and federal licensing. See the national firearms act for more.

"cop-killer ammo"

Lol.

Because it was seen in lethal weapon 2 right?

How about the completely ceramic gun from die hard 2 while you're at it.

Or you could post from a position based on reality.

[damntexdem]

4. What part of the word "trade" doesn't the NRA understand?

Or is it that the NRA doesn't want any regulation of international arms sales? Seems likely.

[florida08]

6. not sure why the NYT is posting this

All international treaties require the approval of two-thirds of the Senate before they are considered ratified and in effect. That won't happen in this country. This is about international trade.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

26. It might be about international trade, or not ...

It sounds like the UN is still (until summer '12) trying to figure out what's in the treaty language and what's out.

If the final language calls for tracking all firearms from manufacturer through a chain of owners and finally to the crusher, then that is the sort of registration system the NRA will object to. If the final form doesn't call for registration, it will be less interesting to the NRA.

[SoapBox]

11. Hey NRA...kiss my ass!

...what a dirty organization.

[Firebrand Gary]

14. I hope we get OVER regulated and that is really pisses off the NRA.

[hack89]

15. We already are - but things are changing for the good. nt

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17. My moneys on the NRA with this one...

if they don't stop it at the international level (via the US delegation),... they'll stop it at the national level (via Congress).

Either way it's a win for the 2nd amendment and American firearms owners.

[Paladin]

27. I Have No Doubt Your Money's With The NRA....... (n/t)

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. And I have no doubt yours is on the side of repression

[ileus]

42. A win her for the NRA is a win for all Americans...

[kenfrequed]

18. idiots

This is a clear indicator of the arms industry using the NRA as a sop to try to confound the meaning of arms treaties and create delusional public opposition. This is absurd.

[fascisthunter]

25. yup... the gun pushing was NEVER about Rights

it was about money... it's a huge business.

[harun]

41. Thank God some people on DU don't fall for this crap.

[Odin2005]

32. The first thing a new authoritarian political order does is disarm the populace.

[LanternWaste]

47. Which specific authoritarian order is pushing to disarm precisely which populace?

Which specific authoritarian order is pushing to disarm precisely which national populace?

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[WatsonT]

39. They can't

the UN can't do anything to overturn US laws.

They can try of course. But they will lose.

[LanternWaste]

45. Fear! Fire! Alarm! Plague! Alarm!

So Pierre believe that looking into regulating the multibillion-dollar global arms market in a non-binding treaty is the direct equivalent of stealing your guns. Pierre plays to his base, or as co-worker said, "tools play to fools"

Fear! Fire! Alarm! Plague! Alarm!

[Cool Logic]

48. Everyone, including the NRA should relax. Treaties cannot usurp the Constitution or State laws.

This is no doubt a good way for the NRA to raise money; however, the intellectually misguided people at the UN have absolutely zero authority in the USA.

Regrettably, the rest of the world is not so fortunate.

[MikeW]

49. The first thing the UN needs to learn is the US Constitution comes before anything that body passes