House Republicans brace for compromise on debt

[PoliticAverse]

Source: LA Times

Reporting from Washington—
Republican leaders in the House have begun to prepare their troops for politically painful votes to raise the nation's debt limit, offering warnings and concessions to move the hard-line majority toward a compromise that would avert a federal default.

For weeks, GOP conservatives, particularly in the House, have issued demands about what they would require in exchange for their votes to increase the debt limit. In negotiations with the White House, Republican leaders have found those demands were unattainable. Unwilling to risk the economic and political consequences of a federal default, which could come as early as Aug. 2, they have started the difficult process of standing down.

At a closed-door meeting Friday morning, GOP leaders turned to their most trusted budget expert, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, to explain to rank-and-file members what many others have come to understand: A fiscal meltdown could occur if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling.

House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio underscored the point to dispel the notion that failure to allow more borrowing is an option.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-debt-talks-20110716,0,3724140.story

[elleng]

1. 'You should live in interesting times.'

[louis-t]

2. They dug their own graves.

If they'd spent less time kissing Grover Norquist's ring....

[hvn_nbr_2]

7. Today's Republicans are suited only for one-party rule.

If they can't control everything as a dictator would (recall Prince Georgie's statement--I call him prince because the real king was King Dick) and they have to compromise with another party that's allowed to even exist in their world, they're adrift in a bathtub without even a rubber duckie.

[SnowCritter]

18. I don't think it's Grover's ring they're kissing -

try a little lower and to the rear.

[flamingdem]

3. ha ha ha Ryan is the best they've got! Up shite's creek with a teaparty paddle

>>their most trusted budget expert, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin

[harun]

38. My thoughts as well. He is no budget expert, he just plays one on Fox News.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. "Hey guys! We're finally grabbing the Social Security Trust Fund for Pete Peterson"

I can't wait.

[onehandle]

5. Teabaggers need to go FULL THIRD PARTY.

It's just lip service, Teahadists. The Republican Party is 'part of the problem.'

Start rounding up candidates.

Ok, and don't expect any more corporate astroturf money, so stop giving to the GOP and save your pennies for your own Party.

[justgamma]

6. Wall street called and told them to stand down. n/t

[indypaul]

8. A simple case of

producing answers and solutions when one clearly does NOT
understand the question or the problem.

[IamK]

9. raising taxes on some millionaires and cutting medicare & SS to most will not feel like a win...

[Historic NY]

10. Why is it so painful they did it 7 times for Bush.........didn't even blink....

they even hid it in other legalization.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

11. RYAN?! Hoo boy.

Yea. They dug their own graves. And they're pulling ALL of us into it with them - pretty much no matter what they do.

The KOCH BROTHERS / Tea Party had many Repugs sign a pledge not to raise taxes - Murdoch has his own level of influence as does the criminal Chamber of Commerce. That's why they're so obstinate about that. Besides that they're just juvenile a$$h0les.

[safeinOhio]

12. A couple of $350. jugs of vino

Ryan will do a lap dance.

[jmowreader]

13. Calling Paul Ryan a trusted budget expert...

is like calling Ivan Boesky a trusted investment advisor.

As long as Paul Ryan is still betting against the United States, he has no credibility,

Paul Ryan has another conflict of interest: he's fighting to defend oil company subsidies at a time when he owns a company that leases land to oil companies.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/17/247616/paul-ryan-windfall-oil-subsidies/

[TxVietVet]

28. Paul Ryan has been sucking on the government tit since he was a teenager.

He's a useless conservanazi toadie.

[roamer65]

14. They won't be able to hold them together.

Any debt ceiling bill will pass with the Dem minority and the needed amount of Rethugs to get it to 218.

[creeksneakers2]

15. Exactly!

The GOP is going to try gimmicks next week to get out of ever specifying just what they want cut and how. Their members refuse to take the risk of voting against entitlement cuts, while the base is demanding them. Boehner has been bluffing the whole time because he doesn't have the votes to pass anything at all.

The whole GOP strategy is to get Obama to sign off on cuts first, so the GOP can respond to any heat by saying Obama wanted the same cuts.

Obama should demand that the GOP pass any cuts they want immediately so the legislative process can start. Then, when the GOP doesn't have the votes, ask them how they expect Democrats to vote for things even the GOP won't vote for. The need for compromise would be obvious then.

I agree that the only way to pass the debt ceiling increase is with at least some Democratic votes.

[cstanleytech]

19. I think obamas strategy was more of to force the gop

to finally admit that some tax loopholes like GE used to avoid paying "any" income tax needed to finally be closed if they really wanted to help the nation rather than themselves.

[customerserviceguy]

23. I wouldn't be terribly sure about that

The tea party newbies know that seven months ago, they weren't in Congress, and I still think that the vast majority of them, to a man, will say, "Well, if I vote for this, it would be no better than if I hadn't run for office at all."

It will take every single non-TP Rethug and all of the Democratic representatives in the House to get this done. No doubt, we'll lose at least a few Blue Dogs on that vote, and at least a couple of establishment Republicons who don't feel like being primaried next year.

[butterfly77]

32. West Virginia..

needs to find a real Democrat because Manchin ain't it,he's on the republiCON payroll..

[bluestateguy]

16. We only need 50 or 60 House Republicans

The rest of the teabaggers can do whatever the fuck they want, have their temper tantrum and get the damn thing passed.

[certainot]

17. they will have to answer to limbaugh, or will limbaugh have to back down

of course, he can rationalize anything.

[The Wizard]

20. How come Republicans act like they're

about to be ass raped by pit bulls on steroids at the mention of taxing the wealthy elites? Follow the money to the root of a crime(s).

[Beartracks]

21. Wow, now THERE's an image! LOL n/t

[Occulus]

33. The post is truth, though

It deserves an OP of its own.

"Follow the money." It's as true today as it was yesterday.

[RBInMaine]

22. The stupid fools need to listen to David Brooks. Full opportunity to look sane. Instead, they are

choosing CRAZY. BWAHAHAHAHAHA. And BONER knows they are bent over a barrel on this. Obama has check mated them again.

[w4rma]

24. Unless Obama's game was to belittle Social Security and Medicare, how does he have a Checkmate? (nt)

[RBInMaine]

31. Uninterested in entertaining more fringe level Obama bashing. Yawn.

[Cool Logic]

25. One thing's for certain...

No matter what the deal ends up being, both sides will claim that it is Armageddon.

[PoliticAverse]

26. Be sure to lay in a suppply of popcorn for the coming week... n/t

[TxVietVet]

27. The conservanazis cannot understand how a Democrat can be President.

They just can't handle it. Especially an African American. It's beyond their understand because they believe they are the only ones in this whole wide world that is ordained by their god to be rulers of this country.

So, I'd tell the teabaggin' kkkluckers, shut down the conservanzi republikans and create your version of a new conservanazi party with a more racial agenda. That's what America is looking for. Go for it, Skippy. :sarcasm:

[TatonkaJames]

29. Comes from a family construction background

Just looking at the guy makes me think of Michael Corleone, only a Slavic version.

[corkhead]

30. Republicans: welcome to our world

[iwishiwas]

34. How true!!

[iwishiwas]

35. Try to win these teaparty folks over: G.O.P. Freshmen Say Debt Concerns Them More Than Re-election

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject G.O.P. Freshmen Say Debt Concerns Them More Than Re-election
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4923564#4923564
4923564, G.O.P. Freshmen Say Debt Concerns Them More Than Re-election
Posted by alp227 on Sun Jul-17-11 04:35 AM

Source: The New York Times

WASHINGTON — For years, legislation to raise the federal debt limit offered plenty of political theater on Capitol Hill, with the party out of power using it to rail against the party in power. As a senator, Barack Obama said in 2006 that a bill to raise the debt limit was “a sign of leadership failure.”

This time is different, and not only because the parties have switched roles. Now, conservative House Republicans have a virtual veto over a measure to increase the debt ceiling, and some freshmen in both chambers say they worry more about changing the ways of Washington than about getting re-elected.

“Re-election is the farthest thing from my mind,” said Representative Tom Reed, a freshman Republican from upstate New York. “Like many of my colleagues in the freshman class, I came down here to get our fiscal house in order and take care of the threat to national security that we see in the federal debt. We came here not to have long careers. We came here to do something. We don’t care about re-election.”

It is not clear how genuine or widespread that sentiment is in Congress, but regardless, it has upended what President Obama said on Friday had been a “difficult but routine process” in past years.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/us/politics/17debt.html?pagewanted=all

[fascisthunter]

36. compromise... yuh, they are compromising shit

we are going to be the ones compromising our commons away AGAIN.

[Evasporque]

37. Republicans are irresponsible...there will still be numerous crazies...

voting against Debt ceiling.