News of the World phone hacking whistleblower found dead

[Ian David]

Source: The Guardian

Death of Sean Hoare – who was first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson knew of hacking – not being treated as suspicious
Amelia Hill, James Robinson, Caroline Davies
guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 July 2011 18.04 BST


Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbiz reporter who was the first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson was aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead, the Guardian has learned.

Hoare, who worked on the Sun and the News of the World with Coulson before being dismissed for drink and drugs problems, is said to have been found dead at his Watford home.

Hertfordshire police would not confirm his identity, but the force said in a statement: "At 10.40am today police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street. Upon police and ambulance arrival at a property, the body of a man was found. The man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after.

"The death is currently being treated as unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious. Police investigations into this incident are ongoing."


Former News of the World reporter Sean Hoare has been found dead. Photograph: BBC

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

[tridim]

1. There is no mafia. nt

[RT Atlanta]

2. Wow

How could this death "not (be) thought to be suspicious?"

[AndyTiedye]

3. Because They Know Damn Well Who Did It, and They're Not Goin' There

[JackRiddler]

229. A scandal that can bring down the government, the top cops, and the Murdoch empire...

Can you imagine how many powerful and unscrupulous people this man's testimony might have threatened? Can you imagine what the list of suspects for contracting a hit may look like?

[AlbertCat]

189. "not thought to be suspicious?"

They say that because no one on the entire Earth will think it's true.

[BNJMN]

204. Like someone would kill him in a 'suspicious' manner? Isn't that he point? N/T

[electropop]

228. This from the discredited British police...

...who refused to investigate Murdoch, and are now themselves resigning and being indicted for it, to the very top levels.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/world/europe/18hacking.html
Head of Scotland Yard Quits Over Tabloid Scandal - NYTimes.com
An Arrest and Scotland Yard Resignation Roil Britain
By SARAH LYALL and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: July 17, 2011
LONDON — Britain’s top police official resigned on Sunday, the latest casualty of the phone-hacking scandal engulfing British public life...

http://www.euronews.net/2011/07/17/phone-hack-london-s-police-chief-resigns/
Phone hacking: London’s police chief resigns
17/07 23:14 CET
The head of London’s Metropolitan Police Paul Stephenson resigned on Sunday evening. Britain’s senior police chief stood down over allegations about the service’s handling of phone hacking investigations.

[MADem]

4. Check for pinhole sized wounds, now!

Or maybe someone poked him with a poisoned umbrella....?

[mod mom]

190. Exactly!

[BNJMN]

205. Had a coroner friend, said that there are many household substances that will tracelessly kill you.

...and, rightly so I think, she refused to mention any of them in mixed company.

[Turborama]

5. Described as "unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious" by the Metropolitan Police's colleagues

...in the neighboring county of Hertfordshire.

[99th_Monkey]

10. and just WTF does THAT mean?

:shrug:

TRANSLATION: We have no fucking idea how this guy died, but we have already decided that however it happened, it won't be "suspicious".

move along now. Nothing to see here.

[Turborama]

13. Faux's sister channel in the UK, Sky News, has just reported on it, saying it's just a "coincidence"

The anchor said it with really strident certitude, too.

Yep, a "move along, nothing to see" response to it was just broadcast live around the world via satellite TV.

[99th_Monkey]

15. Well, if FOX says it, it must be ... but, but .. wait a minute ...

... who owns FOX again?

Yep, some "coincidence" huh?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

197. The corruption goes on and on

[wordpix]

163. and the "sister" knows this because the investigation is concluded, right?

:crazy: yeah right

[BNJMN]

206. It was concluded by Rupert this morning, the police will get their orders shortly. N/T

[No Elephants]

219. Either authorities are trying to lull someone into a false sense of security, or they already got

their orders.

[VWolf]

6. Let me guess

Suicide - single shot to the back of the head ?

[SpiralHawk]

7. Usually in these cases they shoot themselves in the head a couple of times

You know, to avoid Sloppy Suicide Syndrome and stuff...
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[BNJMN]

207. Funny............. nt

[KansDem]

8. Don't forget the "rat shot pellets"

Fired from several inches away...

[Amonester]

9. Maybe as long as the 'daRk actoR$' wouldn't make it look exactly as

Dr. Kelly's...

[Delphinus]

223. Dr. David Kelly

was who I first thought of.

[bemildred]

11. With ratshot. nt

[krispos42]

153. "heart failure"

*wink*

[Imagevision]

181. k&r

[No Elephants]

216. Yep. Went through his thigh, exited to his shoulder, and then hit him in the back

I hear his hobby was contortion.

[fredamae]

12. An example, perhaps to scare the Living Sh!t out of

everybody else?

[BNJMN]

208. Funny how this nugget isn't being covered in ANY detail on the major outlets. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. I'm suppressing every urge I have of making the obvious comments but... but..... I..... can't

... Must hold on.... can't ... say.... OK I need to attend conspiracy repression therapy.

[stockholmer]

16. 2010 interview with Sean Hoare on BBC (" a culture of dark arts")

this is a perfect example of a cover-up and the bullying, the denial, the character assassination that goes on at the highest level of governments and nefarious business



---------------------------------------------


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11183038

A former reporter on the News of the World has told the BBC that he was personally asked by then-editor Andy Coulson to tap into phones.

In an interview with the PM programme Sean Hoare said Mr Coulson's insistence that he didn't know about the practice was "a lie, it is simply a lie."

Sean Hoare used to work on the Sun and the News of the World with Andy Coulson before being dismissed for drink and drug problems.

A Downing Street spokeswoman said Andy Coulson totally and utterly denied the allegation. He has said that he "never condoned the use of phone-hacking and nor do I have any recollection of incidences where phone-hacking took place".

[defendandprotect]

155. Thanks -- How's BBC doing now covering this -- ?

Just tuned in, in fact to see what's going on --

HARDttalk seems to be covering it ... they're not identifying the person

being interviewed -- so far. Ah Chris Bryant British Labor MP --


:)


FOLLOWING ARE FROM MY ROUGH NOTES -- DON'T TAKE VERBATIM --

Interviewer is good in comparison to US --

haven't seen anything like this in America for decades!

Seems you can hear interview or read text of it at BBC/Hardtalk --

don't have exact link --





Missed a lot of the interview --

CB makes clear that Metropolitan Police had all the info on this in 2006 --

Illegal payments made to police by NI -

Interviewer asks about whether there could be similar current problems?

CB says investigation should have been done in '06 --

CB says 3,800 victims -- most not contacted and unaware -- no proper investigation.

Metropolitican police -- interviewer asks if "rotten" or "inappropriate"?

BP doesn't label it -- but says it ended up corrupting police.

Also says someone from NI or other news media went to work for Met Police -- revoling door.

Interviewer notes that Labour Party has also had relationships with media --

and CB says that he pushed for investigations back to 2003, 2004, 2006 -- but not later as

doggedly as he should have --

CB also commens that he thinks "Murdock Empire used newspapers to protect TV interests" --



but he asked CB if in his friendship with Tony Blair he ever suggested it was a ...

"Mistake to hire a Director of Communications direct from NI -- i.e., Andy Coulson in 2007!

CB adds that Coulson has admitted ... "directly paid police officers for info" --

Now the interviewer gets a little flustered --

Meanwhile CB replies that you can hire from the same stable but you have to check the

horses feet ... ?

Evidently MP Christ Byrant has called for tighter regulation on press --

Interviewer asks if "wise" ?

CB commens that he's questioning cross-media ownership -- if you have TV ownership then

you shouldn't have newspaper ownership -- and complicated today with so many media assets.

CB also makes a comment about "out of country ownership" not thinking it good for Britain.

and CB notes that "other countries have more robust rules on this -- "


Whoa ... interviewer just went off in protecting Murdock's "offering" to the public re

news!

CB backs down a bit, but does come back noting that average citizens are paying 492 POUNDS

a year for Skye and he thinks that's quite high.


CB also makes the comment that "Politicians have run scared -- "

CB also notes that Cameron has been trying to cut back BBC by 20% -- and adds ...

"think it was a deal with Murdock" 000 !! :eyes:!!

Interviewer suggest that CB's recommendations have created fear of "a cowed press" -- !

Asks if this would be the end of self regulation and on to state control?

CB notes that some panel that looked into media was headed up by Editors of newspapers --

and he wasn't for State control -- but citizens deciding -- not personnel of newspapers.

[wordpix]

164. "I do not recall"---sounds like Gonzo, Turdblossom & Scooter

[ProfessionalLeftist]

17. News of the World Whistleblower Found Dead

Source: Guardian UK

Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbiz reporter who was the first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson was aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead, the Guardian has learned.

Hoare, who worked on the Sun and the News of the World with Coulson before being dismissed for drink and drugs problems, is said to have been found dead at his Watford home.

Hertfordshire police would not confirm his identity, but the force said in a statement: "At 10.40am today police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street. Upon police and ambulance arrival at a property, the body of a man was found. The man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after.

"The death is currently being treated as unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious. Police investigations into this incident are ongoing."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

[closeupready]

18. Wow.

All I can say. :scared:

[SpiralHawk]

19. Wow indeed. Republicon Family Cesspool Values - International

Up the freaking wazoo.

[myrna minx]

20. Wow. Speechless. K&R n/t

[grasswire]

21. Someone better start a Murdoch Body Count page

This is astounding news, but we shouldn't be surprised considering the stakes.

[grasswire]

27. and with police and Murdoch in bed together...

....and even Scotland Yard compromised......

Who will investigate?

[FiveGoodMen]

38. Then don't forget the million or so Iraqis who died because the US followed that fucker's lead!

[No Elephants]

217. All media were to blame. Meet the Press was just as bad, if not worse.

MTP had credibility with people who do not foam at the mouth. I hope that curtain finally got pulled aside.

[slackmaster]

22. Organ sting. Dissolve to crime scene with detectives gathering evidence.

The plot thickens.

[BNJMN]

222. Logged back in just to say, 'LOOOOL' n/t

[MineralMan]

23. Sounds pretty suspicious to me.

Pretty suspicious, indeed.

[highplainsdem]

33. To me, too.

[Angry Dragon]

24. I guess it can be dangerous to piss off TPTB

[otohara]

25. Holy Shit

just HS

[barbtries]

26. oh, i'm suspicious.

very much so.

[somone]

28. "not thought to be suspicious"

but very convenient

[CJCRANE]

34. Yes..."unexplained" but not suspicious...

Hmmm...

:shrug:

[plumbob]

74. I'll have to remember that the next time someone asks me something.

"It's just unexplained, so not suspicious."

I bet the IRS will believe it! No,wait..

[dipsydoodle]

110. Stock UK expression in such cases

maybe they don't use it in the US. :shrug:

[CJCRANE]

115. I realize that, but when something is "unexplained"...

by definition, there is no way of knowing if it's suspicious or not suspicious.

It's like "move along, nothing to see here"... which of course usually means there is something to see.

[dipsydoodle]

118. That just means

that the general expression may be odd to you. In our terminology "suspicious" and "unexplained" are separate issues. We also have just "unexplained" without being suspicious aka "cause of death unknown".

[CJCRANE]

125. Fair enough

but when something is unexplained it makes *me* suspicious!

[dipsydoodle]

128. lol

:hi:

[wordpix]

166. Scotland Yard should now investigate Murdoch for murder as well as phone hacking

:eyes:

[dipsydoodle]

168. You are openly accusing Murdoch of conspiracy to commit murder.

Which one ?

[BlueCaliDem]

62. Exactly.

Very convenient.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

29. combined with this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x614747

It's very intereSTINK. Though I guess the drugs and alcohol may have done him in. But - what timing, ya know?

OH. And then there's THIS:

“I've been told that if Ailes figures out I talked to you, he'll hunt me down and kill me.”

FROM: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/17/995568/-Fmr-Fox-News-Executive:-Americans-Phones-Were-Hacked?via=siderec

So...it could happen.

[Amonester]

35. that would out-perform any other world mob if corruption has its

current modus operandi

[rurallib]

39. like that reporter in SF many years ago who had written of the CIA

and drug running. He conveniently committed suicide.
Two bullets in the back of the head IIRC.
And it was not pursued.

Or the woman who outed Vitter. She kept warning that she would never do anything to herself, so if she died don't ever believe it was suicide.
- yep, suicide by hanging - no investigation.

[SpiralHawk]

42. That's right. The Vitter (R) diaper-sex madame 'suicided' herself in short order

Of course all the republicon Senate could muster for that was a Standing O for Vitters scandalous adulterous diaper-sex with hookers fetish.

That's when all America realized that that propaganda phrase 'Republicon Family Values' is really occult republicon code for DEGENERACY.

Read the sordid details here if you can stomach the stench...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/01/507285/-Sen-Diaper-David-Vitters-madam-commits-suicide

"Deborah Jeane Palfrey, known in the tabloid press as the "D.C. Madam," has reportedly killed herself...

"...The highest-profile client who had been revealed thusfar was Louisiana Senator David Vitter, who had paid prostitutes to diaper him as part of sexual fantasy games.

"Palfrey had previously threatened to expose her high-profile clientele..."

[defendandprotect]

137. Agree -- and, even sadder, they continue on because they feel secure in

their crimes still -- including murdering witnesses --



:hi:

[valerief]

140. +1 gazillion

[KamaAina]

143. Gary Webb was actually with the San Jose Mercury News

we're about 45 miles southeast of SF.

[defendandprotect]

169. CIA certainly destroyed Gary Webb --

though if I recall correctly -- the debate was only about one kind of "drug" --

while that distraction was used to destroy all of the story re CIA running

drugs in LA -- !!

And then they killed him --

[rurallib]

182. Thanks for the name, I always forget.

That was a real sad deal

[October]

48. I thought of that Ailes quote, too

Wow, just wow.

[defendandprotect]

142. Thanks -- Right on the heels of Brooks' arrest -- seems unlikely not suspicious -- !!

“I've been told that if Ailes figures out I talked to you, he'll hunt me down and kill me.”

In the case of Ailes, just ask yourself ... "What would the Mafia do?"

"It was a macho thing: 'My contact is scummier than your contact.' It was a case of: 'Mine's a murderer!' On the plus side, we always had a resident pet nutter around in case anything went wrong."

[defendandprotect]

145. ... and there was the Coulter "phone-hacking scandal in 2007" ... ???

Four former employees of Britain's best-selling Sunday tabloid have told Reuters that Brooks's denials are simply not credible. They say people on the paper's newsdesk, the hub that directs news coverage, were regularly grilled about the top stories by Brooks and later by her successor Andy Coulson, who resigned over the phone-hacking scandal in 2007 and went on to become Prime Minister David Cameron's spokesman. "They went in and they were cross-examined for two hours every day. And it was all about the genesis of all the stories," the first ex-reporter, who worked at the paper for seven years, told Reuters.


Presume this went nowhere at that time?

Just catching up with all of this -- I'll google it --


Here's a general link for anyone as far behind on this as I am -- :)

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AjJKaAuQnWXRCTxaFJnkosKbvZx4?p=Andy+Coulson%2C+phone+hacking+scandal+2007+&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-yie8


Here's a time line link -- missing the new "suicide" -- !!

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/key-dates-in-the-phone-hacking-scandal/adb1123e742c477aa5f2d5a34678b726

[Selena Harris]

157. Fox allegedly had a secret counterintelligence room

Jan 10 2008 12:00am EDT (Portfolio magazine blog,excerpt)

Fox News Knocks Down 'Brain Room' Claim

Has Roger Ailes been keeping tabs on your phone calls? A disgrunted former Fox News producer claims he has the capability thanks to a secret "brain room" that the network uses for "counterintelligence and black ops."

Potentially the most explosive among(Dan) Cooper's many lurid claims, assuming anyone believes them, arises from his account of how his agent, Richard Leibner, dropped him as a client. Leibner did so, asserts Cooper, under pressure from Ailes, who had discovered that Cooper was an anonymous source for a New York magazine story about him, written by ex-Republican David Brock. And how did Ailes learn that?

Certainly Brock didn't tell him. Of course. Fox News had gotten Brock's telephone records from the phone company, and my phone number was on the list. Deep in the bowels of 1211 Avenue of the Americas, News Corporation's New York headquarters, was what Roger called The Brain Room. Most people thought it was simply the research department of Fox News. But unlike virtually everybody else, because I had to design and build the Brain Room, I knew it also housed a counterintelligence and black ops office. So accessing phone records was easy pie.


Read more: http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2008/0...
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell

[defendandprotect]

171. Sopranos never got that far -- but Ailes did -- !!

Thanks for the info --

Probably many here who could intelligently comment on that info and

break it down and explain it for us --

However, when your own government -- under a Democratic president -- is

gathering info on all of us via our intelligence services -- wiretapping

under FISA which is itself a violation of the Constitution --

then it would would seem to foster and perhaps abet those like Ailes -- ?

[defendandprotect]

170. Apologies -- that's Andy COULSON, of course -- as mentioned in the quote ...

[Matariki]

183. Ailes is an evil man. You can see it in his possessed pig-like eyes.

I hope this takes him down - perhaps even more than I hope that for the Murdoch clan.

[No Elephants]

220. Please. A little respect for innocent pigs.

[Chimichurri]

30. yikes.

[monmouth]

31. They'll blame it on drink and/or drugs, we will be told to move on...n/t

[defendandprotect]

146. Probably more likely that MANY of those "drink/drug" deaths were murders ...

How many celebrities were given "bad" drugs --

We'd need to rethink the whole long list of them!!

[grasswire]

32. were corrupted cops first on the scene?

I wonder if evidence was already tampered with.

[21st Century FDR]

36. Not thought to be suspicious??

Who the fuck do they think they're kidding?

This has got to be the most conveniently timed death since that ENRON guy "committed suicide".

[Frank Cannon]

195. Not to mention the convenient "fatal heart attack" and closed-casket funeral...

of Mr. Enron, Ken Lay himself.

Amazing how this stuff ALWAYS happens at a convenient time.

[grasswire]

37. full employment for bodyguards!

yahoo!

[Renew Deal]

40. Suicided?

I bet.

[DemoTex]

97. Cliff Baxtered (Enron)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Clifford_Baxter

[banned from Kos]

41. News Corp stock (NWSA) down another $3 billion today

rule #2 in investing "Bad News always begat more bad news".

[MilesColtrane]

43. Is MI6 up to its tricks?

Sounds like he got David Kelley-ed.

[get the red out]

54. I was trying to think of his name just now

Thanks.

My God, if someone tried to write this stuff in a novel it wouldn't get published, way to unoriginal.

[Raschel]

82. I watched a movie yesterday where something similar to this happened.

You're right, very common in these movies.

After seeing this headline today, one part from the movie sticks with me.

One man discussing the 'untimely' death of someone says to another man, "hey, don't be so paranoid, things happen to people."

To which the other man replied, "yeah, but not THAT quick."

[jmowreader]

106. They wouldn't really need to be...

Rupert Murdoch doesn't need no steenking welfare--it's good old fashioned Private Sector Goon Squads for everyone's favourite Aussie!

[dogmoma56]

44. this looks like a serious warning against crossing the Murdocks.. too Rich for Prison.!

[MilesColtrane]

59. I think it is likely that this comes from someone else.

It looks like News Corp. and the British government are seriously intertwined. (If not the whole government, at least the Conservative Party and security elements)

The Prime Minister named a former NOTW editor as his communications chief after he had to resign.

[glinda]

71. And the cops also.... All corrupt. All need to go to prison.

[jmowreader]

117. I would say he's only intertwined with the Conservatives

There are three basic parties in England: the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats. There is no way in HELL Rupert Murdoch is going to align himself with anyone to the left of...oh, I don't know, say Reagan?

I also believe, as probably do many of you, that Murdoch is tightly entangled with the Republican Party of the United States, which would explain why Fox "News" goes so far out of its way to malign Democrats and glorify Republicans. (Just think: every fuckup Republican of the last five years or so has been identified as a Democrat when Fox can no longer ignore his atrocity.)

[defendandprotect]

139. Seemingly you're unaware that Koch Bros. funded the DLC which was harbored ...

within the Democratic Party for 30 years, infiltrating it, changing its stand on

issues, its agenda -- influencing the selection of its candidates, including our

presidential candidates --

Same would be true of Murdock and the three parties in England --

somewhere in all of them he will have "friends" --

Would be dangerous for him not to have that assurance/coverage --

Infiltrate, co-opt and destroy -- age old pattern for rw --

[suffragette]

162. No, he was "intertwined" with Tony Blair and "New Labour" as well

Revealed: the deal between Murdoch and Blair

Lance Price's new book gives an insight into the relationship between News International and New Labour

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/feb/24/revealed-deal-between-murdoch-blair



How Murdoch had a hotline to the PM in the run-up to Iraq war
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-murdoch-had-a-hotline-to-the-pm-in-the-runup-to-iraq-war-457825.html


How the phone-hacking scandal unmasked the British power elite
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-british-power-elite?INTCMP=SRCH


Tony Blair accused of trying to silence Rupert Murdoch critic
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-accused-of-trying-to-silence-rupert-murdoch-critic-2311631.html

[reformist2]

45. This doesn't surprise me. Big business is full of thugs.

[krispos42]

46. Interesting.

Plant drugs in his desk. Fire him for "drink and drug problems". Then assassinate him.


Jus' saying

[me b zola]

51. You're saying what many (most?) of us are thinking n/t

[AsahinaKimi]

186. agreed.

[RZM]

56. The article claims he's been treated for substance problems

A drug-centered conspiracy would have to account for that too. If he was treated, then his family and friends are aware of it. If that were made up, you would have already seen a retraction from the Guardian.

[defendandprotect]

148. He was PAID by Murdock to have "substance abuse" problems ... !!

[krispos42]

159. Well, it could be legitimate, too.

It's just... convenient. Like Karl Rove's aide being killed in a small-plane crash.


It could also be that both are true... he was treated for addiction AND they staged his death.



There's several metric assloads of money at stake here, not to mention power, prestige, and influence. Human life is pretty cheap if it gets in the way of these kinds of things.

[Enthusiast]

81. Pretty solid suggestion......nt

[lib2DaBone]

47. k/r Funny how things happen....

Dr. Kelly commits suicide and then drags his own body (after he's dead) 1/2 mile to a new location .

Jumbo jet hits the Pentagon and leaves only a 15' hole with no signs of luggage debris or tail sections or huge engine parts.

JFK and Gov Conley are shot from behind with a 'magic' bullet that turns around 180 degrees and shoots both of them from the front...

Yes boys and girls.. it's a magical world (and a dangerous one).

[paparush]

49. Ailes' Hubris -

Negotiating the ground rules for an off-the-record meeting, Ailes came on like an Edward G. Robinson character in a B movie. “Three people in the world hate me,” he blustered. “You're not going to get to them, and everyone else is too scared.... Take your best shot at me, and I'll have the rest of my life to go after you.”

Taken from the DK link.

That fat, arrogant, f#cker needs to be reigned in.

[spinbaby]

50. Oh, that British English

"Not suspicious" apparently means something entirely different over there.

[mcollier]

52. Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?

For the sake of Humanity, Down with Fox News!

[Grrrfun]

53. a shot

across the bow?

[reformist2]

55. And does anyone believe this part, that someone 'accidentally' broke his nose???

"(Hoare) also said he had been injured the previous weekend while taking down a marquee erected for a children's party. He said he had broken his nose and badly injured his foot when a relative accidentally struck him with a heavy pole from the marquee."

Yeah, right.

[RZM]

58. I assume the Guardian has confirmed that

Or they wouldn't have printed it.

[reformist2]

61. I believe Hoare said that. But I'm asking, does anyone believe him, that a relative broke his nose?

[RZM]

63. Shit happens, so yeah

All it would take is a couple phone calls to confirm it. I don't know exactly how they do things at the Guardian, but I assume they have respectable standards. They are leading on this whole scandal story so I assume the brass there is making sure all ts and is are crossed and dotted.

[reformist2]

66. I bet they'll be looking into it further...

[RZM]

72. Probably already have

Any discrepancies in Hoare's own story here will be out there by teatime today :)

[Raschel]

88. I'll bet there won't be any relatives saying anything to the contrary now!

[reformist2]

96. I want to see evidence of this 'childrens party' he went to...

He sooo got punched in the nose by some goons!

[Raschel]

85. Wow!

:wow: :scared:

[Raschel]

107. Obviously the relative hit him in the nose with the pole, and then straightened the pole out and

stabbed him in the foot. Happens all the time.

[Taverner]

57. Wow...

[Moostache]

60. There will be more bodies...

Its like the fucking Mafia anyway...why would you expect anything other than a string of "disappearances" and "natural causes" deaths around the powers that be?

They are going to go down swinging and take anyone that they can down with them.

[florida08]

64. drink and drug problems?

from the same source:

Explaining why he had spoken out, he told me: "I want to right a wrong, lift the lid on it, the whole culture. I know, we all know, that the hacking and other stuff is endemic. Because there is so much intimidation. In the newsroom, you have people being fired, breaking down in tears, hitting the bottle."

He knew this very well, because he was himself a victim of the News of the World. As a showbusiness reporter, he had lived what he was happy to call a privileged life. But the reality had ruined his physical health: "I was paid to go out and take drugs with rock stars – get drunk with them, take pills with them, take cocaine with them. It was so competitive. You are going to go beyond the call of duty. You are going to do things that no sane man would do. You're in a machine."...

It must have scared the rest of Fleet Street when he started talking – he had bought, sold and snorted cocaine with some of the most powerful names in tabloid journalism. One retains a senior position on the Daily Mirror. "I last saw him in Little Havana," he recalled, "at three in the morning, on his hands and knees.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/sean-hoare-news-of-the-world

[florida08]

67. cont

When he spoke out about the voicemail hacking, some Conservative MPs were quick to smear him, spreading tales of his drug use as though that meant he was dishonest. He was genuinely offended by the lies being told by News International and always willing to help me and other reporters who were trying to expose the truth. He was equally offended when Scotland Yard's former assistant commissioner, John Yates, assigned officers to interview him, not as a witness but as a suspect. They told him anything he said could be used against him, and, to his credit, he refused to have anything to do with them.

[craigmatic]

65. Isn't it just convient how he died just when the scandal is heating up?

[Scottybeamer70]

68. rec.

and so it begins!

[grahamhgreen]

69. Highly suspect, too bad Scottland yard is also implicated in the scandal - who will investigate?

[dipsydoodle]

89. Hertfordshire Police

Its just round the corner to my own house. Probably no big deal. Its a simple fact of life that people do die.

[grahamhgreen]

91. Highly suspicious. They need the FBI.

[dipsydoodle]

93. You forgot the sarcasm thingy

From our local rag :

A man was found dead this morning when police were called to an address in Watford.

Officers were called to Langley Road at 10.40am, where they found a body.

The Guardian newspaper is claiming that the dead man is former News of the World and Watford Observer reporter Sean Hoare.

Hertfordshire Constabulary, however, has refused to confirm this.

>

The death is not being treated as suspicious.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9146090.Man_found_dead/

The last sentence they'd have got from the local police.

[grahamhgreen]

201. How can that not be suspicious? The guy is involved in taking down a far right

war mongering bastard.

[Blasphemer]

70. I hope Jude Law and Hugh Grant have good security details... nt

[AnotherMother4Peace]

76. He was an example to others that might want to speak out - a mafia message. nt

[fedsron2us]

73. Some very nasty characters have been employed by NI over the years

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/11/phone-hacking-dark-arts-jonathan-rees
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/08/phone-hacking-scandal-jonathan-rees

So anything is possible.

[formercia]

75. "dismissed for drink and drugs problems"

he just had another Drug problem.

Some Operator stuck a hotshot suppository up his ass. Gone in 30 seconds.

[beac]

77. "In the event of my untimely death..."

I hope like hell Hoare left something behind w/his solicitor.

[MadMaddie]

178. I am hoping for the same thing!

[bulloney]

78. Not suspicious? The timing of the death should make it suspicious.

[Enthusiast]

79. Look away, nothing to see here.

:freak:

[Stuart G]

80. Do you think FOX News will report this headline at all?? nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. Yes:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/18/whistleblower-in-uk-phone-hacking-scandal-reportedly-found-dead/

[Kingofalldems]

103. Be sure to watch the Murdoch testimony tomorrow

at 9:30 am on Current TV. Keith Olbermann will host.

[Pab Sungenis]

131. Is that definite?

It's not showing up in the TiVo programming guide for Current yet. I would set for it if it showed up.

[Kingofalldems]

156. I read it on the DU this AM

[workinclasszero]

121. You Betcha

Even as we speak Faux "news" is assigning its ace reporters to get to the bottom of this unexplained/not suspicious, oh so convenient death!

*SNORT*

:sarcasm:

[Redford]

83. You can't make this stuff up....

His being dead is too convenient.

[YvonneCa]

92. Welcome to DU! n/t

[harun]

86. The man behind the curtain is sending a message that he plays hard ball.

[davidwparker]

87. What are the odds that someone who brought down many

of the powerful -- with more to go -- suddenly died?

[snagglepuss]

94. Also what are the odds of having this happen just as more people might

decide to become whistleblowers?

[reformist2]

99. Exactly.

[bklyncowgirl]

90. Wow. This just keeps on getting deeper and deeper.

Would they really have the balls to off this guy with everything that's going on?

[RZM]

101. Certainly not out of the question, but I'm dubious right now

We'll see in the coming days what else comes out. Perhaps the story will have legs, but I'm pretty skeptical. Seems like it's just the thing they wouldn't want to do. A murder in the middle of this would turn an already big scandal into a truly epic scandal and that wouldn't serve the interests of the Murdoch crew. Their goal is to survive this, not to become vicious monsters in the annals of history. With all eyes on the company, I just don't see a 'witness murder' as all that plausible.

Still, stranger things have happened. But I wouldn't bet on a murder right now. We'll see I guess.

[JackRiddler]

116. When have any of these suspicious suicide/accidents grown legs, regardless of timing?

Kelley, Baxter, Connell, Palfrey, DeMohrenschildt, Casey's instant tumor, Wellstone... you're always contending with a) the "batshit signal brigade" who will pretend it's crazy to think and anyway pattern recognition blah blah confirmation bias blah blah and b) what, are you implying that the police or investigators in ______ are corrupt bastards howDAREyou!!! and c) "they're not that evil." Also, d) "you'll never know anyway so it's okay."

[RZM]

129. For some, conspiracies are the default explanation for any outcome they dislike

I think it's sad that Paul Wellstone died in a plane crash. But planes do crash. They crash with Democratic senators on board. They also crash with Kennedys, pop singers, and Alaska Republicans on them as well. And they also crash when people who aren't famous are on board.

I know it sounds crazy, but perhaps those stories didn't grow legs because there weren't conspiracies to be found.

The larger a conspiracy, the more people there are who need to keep their mouths shut. And people just aren't all that great at that.

[JackRiddler]

144. For some, "conspiracies" are what happens in Russia or Iran, never at home.

The old "mouth shut" stuff, I love it. This isn't Hollywood, where the whistleblowers walk into the New York Times and get book deals. Real-life whistleblowers often end up with Brad Birkenfeld and Bradley Manning. (Those are highly instructive examples since they weren't offed, and there's no doubt what happened.)

And what do you believe you are demonstrating with the trivial observation that planes crash? Has a plane never been brought down? Has a politician never been assassinated? Have inconvenient figures never been murdered? All of these happen, as do accidents.

[RZM]

194. I'm no expert on Manning

But as I understand it you aren't allowed to disseminate classified materials as you wish. Not saying all of that stuff should have been classified or that he hasn't been confined in a cruel way . . . but it's a stretch to label that a conspiracy.

I could turn your 'trivial observation' around on you just as easily. Has a plane never crashed due to mechanical failure or weather problems?

I really think people are jumping the gun on this. I think you need more here to claim it was a murder.

[Kaleko]

160. It is factually wrong to claim that most people can't keep secrets.

Any psychologist can tell you that. If the shame and fear are strong enough, ordinary families will keep their collective mouths shut for a lifetime, and this pertains to relatively trivial transgressions. It is a proven fact that people involved in high-stakes criminal conspiracies will not even talk when they're tortured to make a confession.

Forget about that old RW canard that "people can't keep secrets".

OMERTA, the code of silence, is not just observed by gang members of all stripes, by the Mafia, anybody in the police corps or by intelligence operatives. It even works in Hollywood.

[mhatrw]

165. I love the old canard that nobody can keep a secret.

Weird how mobs, intelligence agencies and even the Manhattan Project are exempt.

[RZM]

191. The Manhattan Project didn't stay a secret n/t

[Eddie Haskell]

226. We can't trust the press ... we can't trust the police ... we can't trust the government,

and you want us to keep our suspicions to ourselves? Speculation and investigation are all we have left.

[LanternWaste]

227. Indicating to some I would imagine...

"people there are who need to keep their mouths shut. And people just aren't all that great at that..."

Indicating to some I would imagine, that those who aren't great at silence need to be removed. I suppose the conjecture goes both ways... :shrug:

[truth2power]

177. Also Dorothy Kilgallen - IIRC...interviewed Jack Ruby. Said she was going to

blow the whole thing (JFK assassination) wide open. Found dead of a "drug overdose". Yeah right!!

[eShirl]

126. OTOH, a dangerous animal, wounded and cornered, might lash out irrationally

in its desperation.

[RZM]

135. That certainly does happen

But if I may violate 'Godwinshivli,' Stalin argued the exact same thing in the 1930s. He believed that the closer the Soviet Union came to implementing full communism, the harder the class enemy would fight back. And one of the results of that type of thinking was that conspiracies were found wherever the authorities wanted to find them.

[tiny elvis]

185. wherever the authorities wanted to find them

i think you mean wherever lone nuts coincidentally found them

[RZM]

187. I probably wasn't clear enough

The poster I responded to made a valid point with the 'wounded animal' thing . . . the idea that those who are cornered often lash out. While I see the logic there, I pointed out that Stalin made similar arguments to justify the Terror. He argued in the 1930s that the class enemies were backed into a corner and that was precisely when they were most dangerous and most likely to lash out. That type of thinking led the authorities to see conspiracies everywhere. For instance, if a train derailed or a factory experienced equipment failure, often it wasn't chalked up to the margin of error, but was often portrayed as 'wrecking' and 'sabotage,' with hidden class enemies (often accused of being in the pay of foreign capital and/or foreign intelligence services) carrying out the deeds to hamper the inexorable progress toward full communism.

That was the point I was trying to make. The wounded animal argument has its merits, but in the context I describe it was used to justify paranoid conspiracy theories.

[tiny elvis]

192. the terror was just a few bad apples beyond stalin's control

it is unrussian to see malicious organization in it

[defendandprotect]

134. "Balls" .. ? RW cowards who use violence to rise and to stay in power --

All history shows us that --

i.e. -- what would Hitler do -- ?

[bklyncowgirl]

221. Years ago British mystery writer Dick Francis wrote a novel with a right wing publisher as villain

I can't remember the title but I do remember thinking at the time that he had based the character on Rupert Murdoch. The guy was described as a foreign born media baron having a spiderweb of media interests who could end someone's career in a heartbeat. He also left a line of corpses (both human and equine--like most Dick Francis novels this was set in the British horse racing world) in his wake. In the end, in the best tradition of mystery writing, the villain was brought to justice.

Sadly, Dick Francis is no longer with us (he died a few years ago no conspiracy as far as I know) he was a best selling author for many years after publishing this book so I would say that Murdoch did not go after him and maybe I'm over blowing the resemblance.

[FarLeftFist]

95. Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

[defendandprotect]

136. Agree -- Elites are international -- VRWC is international --

[harun]

225. CIA and MI6 obviously knew this was going on, probably in on it.

Don't need the bad publicity so they are cleaning up the loose ends.

[defendandprotect]

231. Agree -- and haven't British been asking that question? Re our CIA ...

you can always expect them to be involved --

Question is we need to be figuring out what's been going on here in US!!


In Britian, this included the miltiary -- members of Parliament -- politicians --

paying off police -- hiring investigators to carry out "black arts" -- ROYALS, of course --

actually, that was fun when we were finding out how sleazy they are --

now a SUICIDE!! --


Doesn't take much personal information to affect someone you're trying to control!!


Was sorry to see the "shaving cream pie" today -- think it will create sympathy for

Murdock!!

[harun]

232. Look at this AP article

The guy just died and in the first paragraph it starts out with "cocaine" and "whiskey". Trying to paint him as reckless and out of control. Setting the stage for today's stories of "not suspicious", it was just a matter of time.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gAnGRGOLhp_AT1l0HVOJ2RIq91Xg?docId=e88327668bdd4abc922ebb5c7b7151b2

About what is going on here in the USA, I think it is much much worse than in the UK. I think they will do everything in their power to keep people from seeing how much big brother really see's in the U.S.

No one in the gov't is on the peoples side. They represent the Corporations and will move quickly to keep this from being known.

[defendandprotect]

234. Obvious effort to cement the "suicide" story ....

No outside involvement in UK whistleblower's death

Nick Davies, the Guardian journalist whose reporting has driven the phone hacking scandal, said Hoare described starting the day with a "rock star's breakfast" — a line of cocaine and a Jack Daniel's — and then carrying on drinking through the day while gathering gossip and filing stories.

and this ...

Following his comments, Scotland Yard interviewed Hoare about his allegations under caution — an interview that is usually recorded and can be used in later prosecutions. Hoare, angry that he was being treated like a suspect rather than a witness, said little.

"The police wanted to speak to him because he'd made some admissions, but nothing came of it," his lawyer David Sonn told The Associated Press.

But Hoare continued to speak about phone hacking. The New York Times reported last week that Hoare told them News of the World reporters had paid police to use technology that could track people through their mobile phone signals.


What these people are saying is that they've destroyed their own lives and health

by working for this bastard in an atmosphere of fear and humilitarion --

pushing Murdock's garbage and lies to the public!



Meanwhile, even before the "suicide" it looks like Hoare was going to be ignored by

Scotland Yard -- !!


And these are the methods which have led to corporate control of our government --

including state governments -- !! RW violence and thuggery -- !!


:(

:hi:

[DesertDiamond]

98. Not suspicious????

[Botany]

100. cue the quotes from goodfellas

Pete the Killer: By the way, I took care of that thing for ya

David Kelly, Michael Connelly, Paul Wellstone, Deborah Jeane Palfrey, Ray Lemme, Bruce Ivans .....
..... you know accidents happen all the time

Anybody seen Eric Prince?

[boycottfaux]

102. Michael Clayton

Anyone see that movie with George Clooney???

(eyeball roll)

[provis99]

184. yep. It's a Michael Clayton move all right.

Lethal injection between the toes to simulate a heart attack.

[edbermac]

104. Bill and Hilary at it again!

:sarcasm:

[Hand_With_Eyes]

105. Its like finding a used condom in your wifes (or husbands) car...

'It's unexplained, but hey I'm not suspicious!'

Yeah, right!

[progressoid]

108. Jebus H.

[N7Shepard]

109. How can this NOT be suspicious?

[dipsydoodle]

111. As opposed to coincidental.

Pathology report should be out by tomorrow I guess so why not just wait and see.

[Recursion]

119. Sometimes people with alcohol and drug problems die

Even if they've pissed off rich people.

[dipsydoodle]

120. He'd been on 3 grams of coke a week

plus other substances in the past. Dunno whether that was still current.

[Recursion]

172. That's not even a bender...

But, yeah, prolonged coke use will seriously fuck your immune system.

[dipsydoodle]

173. That should've said 3 grams per day : not per week.

I can't relate to such stuff. Is that a bender ? :shrug:

[Recursion]

202. Oh, per day? 3 grams in a day for 2 days is pretty clearly a bender

Back when I did cocaine I would do 4 in one weekend and call it a bender. God between us and evil.

[Muskypundit]

112. This story is covering about half of drudge report right now

Very odd. They must not get it.

[leveymg]

113. Sean Hoare, meet Dr. David Kelly, meet Mr. "Dark Forces closing in."

I do not believe suicide or an overdose. Hoare would have been overjoyed at the recent turn of events.

[Selena Harris]

150. My immediate reaction-same as yours

Hmm, how about Mike Connell crashing his plane just prior to testifying in the Ohio election hijinks.l..Seafan has a current thread "Holy S--- the shells are falling close"that has some very interesting posts about Connell.GOP and missing white house emails.. Do you know if Rupert Murdoch owns shares in AT&T,btw?

[workinclasszero]

114. Rethuglician Family Values on Display

Kinda like the Night of the Long Knifes?

Who's next?:scared:

[chrisa]

122. "And that is why I killed myself, chopped myself up, and threw myself in the garbage"

(Family Guy)

[ccharles000]

123. wow

[KansDem]

124. K&R

This is bizzare...

[Theo Haffey]

127. The funniest part: the UK Police (involved in the scandal) says the death was not suspicious

Shocker!

[workinclasszero]

133. Say WHAT??

Two top police officers forced out cause of info the dead man supplied and THE SAME POLICE FORCE says his death is not suspicious??? :wtf:

BULL FU***** HORSESH**!

[Hayabusa]

130. How very, very

convenient...

[stubtoe]

132. They are playing for keeps now.

The "cozy relationship" looks more like The Mob every day.

[valerief]

138. WWTMD? What would the Mafia do? That's what was done. nt

[lovuian]

141. he was murdered folks

and how blatent at that

and the reporters actually believe people are going to swallow this

[panzerfaust]

147. Nothing to see, here. Move along ...

Does anyone remember this guy?

David Kelly, PhD.
He was the British biological warfare scientist and former UN Iraq weapons inspector who expressed the view that the UK government had 'sexed up' the intelligence reports on Iraq to make possession of (non-existent) WMD seem more probable.

Two days after being grilled by a Parliamentary committee, he was found dead.

He had, it was found by the UK government, committed suicide.

Sure I am that this is true.

At least, certain I am that it is as true as the allegation that Sean Hoare's death is merely coincidental to the exploding scandal of police corruption and manipulation by Rupert Murdoch's press empire.

Starting in the 1950s it also seems to me that that if one exposes the abuses of those in power that one should take antidepressants, not fly in small planes, avoid standing next to windows ...

[July16th-20th]

196. Fuck the "Da Vinci Code"!!!

:popcorn:!!!!!

[LeftishBrit]

224. 'Sean Hoares death very very suspicious, insists everyone except the police'

From 'Newsthump' - a sort of British version of the Onion, and probably at least as reliable as most of our news sources!

http://newsthump.com/2011/07/19/sean-hoares-death-very-very-suspicious-insists-everyone-except-the-police/

[Lars77]

149. Whistleblowers in the UK have a tendency of ending up dead. Anyone remember Dr. David Kelly?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/death-evidence-on-iraq-whistleblower-dr-david-kelly-to-be-sealed-for-70-years-14649550.html

[BeHereNow]

154. My first thought exactly Lars77.

And the fact that the police, who are under investigation themselves in relation to the Murdoch fiasco,
are investigating THIS man's death is just mind blowing.
Foxes guarding the hen house.

An independent law agency needs to be brought in to investigate this death.

BHN

[Divine Discontent]

210. my first thought also! I was like, am I experiencing a deja vu moment right now....

[The Second Stone]

151. Sounds to me like they murdered him so that he

couldn't testify in court. Plain and simple.

[Nay]

152. Ho-lee FUCK. No one ever better tell me there aren't a bunch of bloodthirsty

sociopaths running the show. I will never believe otherwise. Ever.

[babydollhead]

158. nobody talks or we all do.

[Hubert Flottz]

161. "but not thought to be suspicious"

Must be the cops that Rupert had on the payroll?

[Warren Stupidity]

167. Nothing to see here, move along. nt.

[Firebrand Gary]

174. So does this mean he cannot testify???

How conveinant for News Corp.

[IamK]

175. move along folks, nothing to see here..... n/t

[goforit]

176. Crimes of phone hacking upgraded to crimes of premeditated murder?

[unionworks]

179. Weinergate ???

Wonder if ol' Rupert was behind Weiners personal communications getting leaked to Breitfart? When bodies start turning up, you know someone is getting really nervous. And will stop at nothing.:tinfoilhat:

[Imagevision]

180. "The death is currently being treated as unexplained" - duh...!

[Cool Logic]

188. Well, this is really becoming interesting.

The story has moved beyond the realm of journalism, into the realm of espionage.

[Jackpine Radical]

193. Well, Jeez, people! I will prove to you that there is nothing suspicious here.

If they already know who did it, then there is no need for suspicion.

Did Brutus suspect himself of stabbing Caesar? Did the asp suspect itself of biting Cleopatra?

[reformist2]

198. Good point. I like the way you think!

[barbtries]

199. police work 101

if you don't know how a person died you treat it as a suspicious death. i think he was murdered.

[OwnedByFerrets]

200. Add this one to a long list of those being silenced

[blkmusclmachine]

203. No plane this time?

[BNJMN]

209. R.I.P. Michael Connell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connell

[dynasaw]

211. News of the World phone-hacking whistleblower found dead

Source: Guardian

"Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbusiness reporter who was the first named journalist to allege that Andy Coulson was
aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead . . .Hoare was in his mid-40s. He first made his claims in a New York Times investigation into the phone-hacking allegations at the News of the World. He told the newspaper that not only did Coulson know of the hacking, but he also actively encouraged his staff to intercept the calls of celebrities in the pursuit of exclusives.

In a subsequent interview with the BBC he alleged he was personally asked by his editor at the time, Coulson, to tap into phones. In an interview with the PM programme he said Coulson's insistence he did not know of the practice was "a lie, it is simply a lie". At the time a Downing Street spokeswoman said Coulson totally and utterly denied the allegations; he had "never condoned the use of phone hacking and nor do I have any recollection of incidences where hacking took place . . .


Hoare returned to the spotlight last week, after he told the New York Times that reporters at the NoW were able to use police technology to locate people using their mobile phone signals, in exchange for payments to police officers. He said journalists were able to use "pinging", which measured the distance between a mobile handset and a number of phone masts to pinpoint its location.

Hoare gave further details about "pinging" to the Guardian last week. He described how reporters would ask a news desk executive to obtain the location of a target: "Within 15 to 30 minutes someone on the news desk would come back and say 'Right, that's where they are.'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

He said: "You'd just go to the news desk and they'd come back to you. You don't ask any questions. You'd consider it a job done.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

[TheDebbieDee]

212. This is not LBN......I heard about this on CNN this morning at work.

[Fearless]

213. DUPE: It's on the big board already.

[intaglio]

214. Please read the front page beore you post. unrec

[dipsydoodle]

215. Conspiracy theories abound......lol.

Murdochs suspected of interfering with marquee. :sarcasm:

Mr Hoare apparently told a reporter last week that he had been injured the previous weekend while dismantling a marquee put up for a children's party. An accidental blow from a heavy pole used to erect the marquee had had broken his nose and badly injured his foot.

The circumstances surrounding his death remain unclear. Last night Hertfordshire police issued a statement, which said: "At 10.40am today police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street... the man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hacking-whistleblower-found-dead-at-his-home-2315880.html

[No Elephants]

218. No clue how he died, but it was clearly one natural cause or another.

Murdoch to witnesses: I know you don't believe that for a minute--and you're right to be scared wordless.

[and-justice-for-all]

230. Well isn't that interesting...nt

[dipsydoodle]

233. Phone hacking death: No third party involvement in whistleblower Sean Hoare's death

Detectives hope toxicology tests will solve the death riddle of phone hacking whistleblower Sean Hoare.

Third party involvement was ruled out tonight as post-mortem examinations were completed on the former News of the World reporter.

Mr Hoare, who made claims in a New York Times article about the Prime Minister's former communications chief Andy Coulson, was discovered at his home in Watford, Hertfordshire, yesterday.

Examinations on the body confirmed the death is "non-suspicious", a Hertfordshire Police spokeswoman said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/19/phone-hacking-death-no-third-party-involvement-in-whistleblower-sean-hoare-s-death-115875-23282955/

This a Hertfordshire Police enquiry : Not Metropolitan Police.

[lovuian]

235. this really shows the Justice system is not working

its a sham