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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:48 AM
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Suit Filed Arguing Title IX Uses Quotas
Source: The New York Times

A group that advocates for changes to the gender-equity law known as Title IX announced Thursday that it was suing the Department of Education, arguing that the department is violating the Constitution by forcing high schools to use what it claims is a quota system to afford greater opportunities for female athletes.

At issue in the lawsuit, sent Thursday to Federal District Court in Washington, is a 1979 test that is used to measure compliance with Title IX, which bans sex discrimination in education.

The test gives schools three options for showing they are meeting the needs of female athletes. They can demonstrate that they are offering athletic opportunities that are proportionate to overall enrollment; that they have a history of expanding sports for women; or that they are meeting the athletic interests and abilities of their female student body.

The American Sports Council, which filed the suit, and other critics of the government’s enforcement of Title IX have long argued that the first option — that female athletes be represented in numbers that are proportionate to overall enrollment — amounts to a quota system that has pushed colleges to eliminate low-profile men’s teams rather than expanding sports for women. Title IX supporters have disputed that the test imposes quotas, saying schools have other ways of complying with the law.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/sports/group-files-suit-claiming-title-ix-uses-quotas.html
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:05 AM
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1. jesus h f*cking christ -
we have become a nation of fools and idiots and it took so little time
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:28 AM
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2. Any institution that has added one or more womens sports teams
ought to be able to demonstrate a history of expanding sports for women. Who makes the decision when a school opts for one of the latter 2 ways to meet Title IX requirements? The first, which is very much a quota system and is very damaging to less popular mens sports (that may yet be more popular than the womens sports that replace them), *should* be eliminated. I'd go so far as to say that the very last one is the only one that matters, and ought to be the extent of the law.

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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:51 AM
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3. So because schools make poor decisions regarding their programs, Title IX has to go?
"...amounts to a quota system that has pushed colleges to eliminate low-profile men’s teams rather than expanding sports for women."

That is the dumbest reasoning I've seen yet.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:42 AM
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5. Given budget constraints, that's what it does.
Take UCLA in the '90s. When I started grad school there it was in compliance.

Then it was determined that progres wasn't enough, it was the *wrong* test. Money equality mattered.

So they added scholarships for women's teams. Coaches. Other perks. Travel funds. If you joined a women's team it was easier to get a scholarship than for almost any man's team except the big 3--baseball, basketball, football. A man's team might have a part-time coach; the corresponding woman's team would have a full-time coach and a trainer.

Then it was determined that money wasn't enough. It was the wrong test. The right test was warm bodies. That full-time coach and trainer didn't count.

Men's teams had to be cut. Low profile ones like gymnastics and swimming, which had a fairly good record of training Olympic gold medal winners.

The university tried to argue that there was simply less demand for sports by women. Still, they went out and recruiting as many female students as possible so that they could keep some of the men's teams.

Esp. the intramural teams, the ones that by definition don't get scholarships but which constituted the Title IX enforcers' new focus, didn't make the cut. I was at a dorm meeting where the administration sent somebody to pitch women's intramural sports. The women's teams would have several try-outs, they'd get uniforms, several prime training room time slots, they'd get prime-time access to the best IM fields, they'd have things like water aand sports drinks provided, a part-time paid coach, etc., etc. The try-outs were advertised prominently in the paper, posted around campus, in the dorms.

The men's team wasn't advertised. To get information from the reps visiting student groups you had to ask. Little was posted around campus, and that was at the last minute. The newspaper ad was 1" of column space. Their try-outs were 7:30 in the morning, Friday IIRC. Each sport had one try-out time. Their practice times were at some goofy hour--10 a.m. Their shower hours were goofy, they had left over training room times. They had to buy their uniforms and if they wanted water, there was a public water fountain not 200 feet away on Bruin Walk. They had to find volunteer coaches. There was *nothing* to encourage the men's teams and they got no perks.

The women's teams, after all that, after multiple try-out times, were often short. If you wanted on the team and didn't drool on yourself too much, you got a berth. The men's teams had waiting lists, and people like me--I don't drool, but certainly am not athletically gifted--had no chance of getting on them. Surveys had predicted this before the fact; surveys validated this after the fact. It was funny: The men in the dorm I was in kept pestering the women to go and try out for IM teams. "Join the team and then quit if you want to." Just get warm bodies on the roster for the Title IX audit.

Title IX folks? Nope. There had to be parity in warm bodies *and* in money, *and* you had to show continued progress. You couldn't choose which one works. They could choose, and whichever one you ran afoul of was the most important one that day. Some of the men's IM teams had to be cut because of the women's non-participation.

The latest wrinkle in some schools is allowing men to fill out the women's teams rosters, for bookkeeping purposes. The Title IX folk don't like that. It plays havoc with what, charitably, could be called a quota. Title IX went from helping women to being so suspicious that college administrators were misogynistic nazis that any hint women weren't getting what men were getting had to be dealt with a prima facie of extreme guilt that justified punishing men.
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RickFromMN Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:59 AM
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4. What happened to the colleges will now happen to the high schools? Interesting.

I suspect, sometime in the future,
if one wants a sports team while one is in college or high school,
one is going to have to create a club team outside of school,
not a team associated with a particular school.

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