Norway Horror: 80 Die In Camp Shooting, 7 In Blast

[Purveyor]

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

By NILS MYKLEBOST

The Associated Press

OSLO, Norway — A homegrown terrorist set off a deadly explosion in downtown Oslo before heading to a summer camp dressed as a police officer to commit one of the deadliest shooting sprees in history, killing at least 80 people as terrified youths ran and even swam for their lives, police said Friday.

Police initially said about 10 were killed at the forested camp on the island of Utoya, but some survivors said they thought the toll was much higher. Police director Oystein Maeland told reporters early Saturday they had discovered many more victims.

"It's taken time to search the area. What we know now is that we can say that there are at least 80 killed at Utoya," Maeland said. "It goes without saying that this gives dimensions to this incident that are exceptional."

A suspect in the shootings, and the Oslo explosion that killed seven people, was arrested. Though police did not release his name, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK identified him as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik and said police searched his Oslo apartment overnight. NRK and other Norwegian media posted pictures of the blond, blue-eyed Norwegian.

Updated OP as revised by AP

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-at-least-80-1034572.html

[Arrowhead2k1]

1. WTF?! How much ammo did he have? nt

[snagglepuss]

4. I had read one report earlier that he had been shooting kids for two hours before

police stopped him. I only saw one story that mentioned that so I don't know how true it is but it would explain the high number of deaths. :(

[iwishiwas]

6. I read that he had tracked them down. He knew the island as he

had frequently vacationed there.

[Purveyor]

2. More detailed article by NILS MYKLEBOST on Globe & Mail here...

Norway’s peace was shattered twice Friday when a bomb ripped open buildings in the heart of its government and a man dressed as a police officer gunned down youths at a summer camp. Police say at least 80 people were killed at the youth camp shooting.

Police linked one Norwegian, reportedly named Anders Behring Breivik, to both attacks, which is this nation’s worst violence since the Second World War.

Police said they did not know the motive but an official said that the suspect seems to have acted alone and does not appear to be linked to a terrorist group.

Hundreds of youths ran in terror at a camp on Utoya island where the prime minister had been scheduled to speak Saturday. Some even tried swimming to safety as the gunman fired.

MORE...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/at-least-80-killed-in-norway-shooting-police-say/article2106259/

[coffeenap]

3. Utter sadness. nt

[geckosfeet]

5. Good fucking god.

A 15-year-old camper named Elise said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.

"I saw many dead people," said Elise, whose father, Vidar Myhre, didn't want her to disclose her last name. "He first shot people on the island. Afterward he started shooting people in the water."

Elise said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. "I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock," she said.

A Norwegian police official says there was at least one unexploded device at the youth camp where a 32-year-old man opened fire. The official said the gunman used both automatic weapons and handguns.

At least 80 killed in Norway youth camp shooting, police say

on edit: added quote and link

[Jefferson23]

7. At least 80! Horrendous....my heart goes out to the families. n/t

[Ilsa]

8. This breaks my heart. Those poor families.

I can't imagine their pain.

[kwassa]

9. This is truly horrible

how can any human being sit there and shoot masses of people, innocent people on vacation ...

[kestrel91316]

22. It's apparently quite easy if you are a RWer full of hate.

We should take heed. Teabaggers just might copycat this.

[emilyg]

63. Didn't take you long.

[panzerfaust]

88. ??? What is that supposed to mean?

Apparently the murderer is a right-wing Christian with a love of guns:

... Public broadcaster NRK and several other Norwegian media identified the suspected attacker as Anders Behring Breivik, a blond and blue-eyed Norwegian who expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views on the internet.

Norwegian news agency NTB said Breivik legally owned several firearms and belonged to a gun club. He ran an agricultural firm growing vegetables, an enterprise that could have helped him secure large amounts of fertilizer, a potential ingredient in bombs...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23972529-shooting-suspect-talking-to-police.do

To me there seems a close similarity with those here in Texas who self-identify as teapots.


Potential Murderer "William Kostnic wears a 9mm pistol as he stands outside a town hall meeting on health care held by Barack Obama. Photograph: Joel Page/AP"

[PavePusher]

162. Ummm, "potential murderer"?

Does that label apply to all gun owners, or just the ones whose politics you disagree with?

[KittyWampus]

10. Mother of God that's too much to bear.

[SusanaMontana41]

13. Yes it is. n/t

[mucifer]

11. never mind they revised the article

ignore what I wrote.

[RamboLiberal]

14. ny times & cnn say 80

[daleo]

12. Norway has about one fiftieth the population of the U.S.

So this is similar to 911 when scaled to population size.

[Rhiannon12866]

15. Holy shit! How tragic!

;(

[Swede Atlanta]

16. And what will be the world's response?

He might be a deranged individual but if he is ideologically driven, possibly based on religion, what is the response? I suggest that we need to understand what drives these individuals to this kind of horror and try to address the root cause rather than responding for revenge because that strategy is doomed to failure.

[Alamuti Lotus]

29. Bomb Norway?

[Arrowhead2k1]

17. Freeperville was on a full on Islam hate-fest all day until the identity of the shooter was

confirmed. Then suddenly, pretty much silence. They are such a shameful pathetic bunch.

[Name removed]

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[Cal Carpenter]

23. No he is not

according to many sources he is a conservative Christian.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/22/olso-attacks-suspect-profiled

Anders Behring Breivik is a conservative Christian who enjoys classical music and the video game World of Warcraft.

Breivik has been named by several Norwegian media outlets as the suspected shooter at a youth camp in Oslo, where 10 people were killed Friday and he may be linked to a bombing near the prime minister's residence that killed seven others.

more at link


-------------------

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/norway-Attacks-scores-dead-20110722-ncx

The suspected gunman -- a Norwegian with links to right-wing extremism, named as Anders Behring Breivik -- was arrested at the scene.

more at link


(eta another link)

[jwirr]

41. On his FB page he self identifies as a Conservative Christian. nt

[AllyCat]

52. I've read the FB page appears to be a fake

It's all in English, not Norweigian. Apparently lots of posts all lumped into a short period of time and that it was just started up in the past few days. I've not looked at it. Any thoughts?

[jwirr]

62. Well I think it is a mistake to think most Europeans do not speak

English. What he did had to have been planned some time ago and this might have been his way of telling us who he is. Both FB and Twitter. His obsession with war games may have been a hint of what he planned. Who knows but the articles out of Norway are not suggesting that it is fake.

[gejohnston]

66. here is another take, probably the most accurate which is

http://app.response.stratfor.com/e/es.aspx?s=1483&e=326586&elq=6def5279a5de40d19e72d7094a05992a

nobody has a clue at this point.

[muriel_volestrangler]

76. That was obviously written before anything was known about the man, and seems pretty useless now

Only worth reading if all the information we have so far turns out to be completely wrong. All it has to say about "if this was done by far-right Norwegian people" is "that won't change much, then".

[dipsydoodle]

83. He had right- wing Christian fundamentalist orientation

according to BBC. Only on their top banner @ 9.16 BST.

[Jemmons]

82. I can confirm that most norwegians have excellent education and

would possess a firm grasp of the Queen's English.

[AllyCat]

156. I'm not saying Europeans don't speak English. I'm saying that it does seem

unusual that someone would create their whole "page" in something other than his or her native tongue.

[boppers]

77. Yes, it was English (it's been removed).

Most of the posts were recent, but before the explosion... they were from the 17th and 18th.

No friends were listed, which is rather odd on FB.

[Lorien]

153. Most of my Scandinavian friends on FB use English on their page

because their friends are from all over the world-especially the EU- and English is the common language.

[AllyCat]

157. Okay, that makes sense. I have friends in other countries too and their pages

seem to be a mix of two or more languages. Anyway, I didn't get a good look at his before it was taken down. Just stuff I'd read on the 'nets (probably from someone trying to draw attention away from his political, religious, and bigoted views).

[krispos42]

72. He's just as much a Muslim as Obama is!11!!!111!!

That'll put the freepers undies in a bunch.

[kestrel91316]

25. IIRC his FB page said he was christian.

[Arrowhead2k1]

26. You forgot the sarcasm tag, right?

Right???

[Alamuti Lotus]

31. A blue-eyed, blonde-haired, Conservative Christian Muslim

quite devious, he is... probably a Commie like Obama, too.

[flying rabbit]

84. He probably werent born in

Merica neither.

[Alamuti Lotus]

30. So was DU, don't pretend some here aren't just like them unfortunately

[Arrowhead2k1]

32. You're right.

:(

But atleast in this place there are people actively trying to counter the bigotry.

[Alamuti Lotus]

34. but the old adage holds, Truth cannot lace its boots before the lies circle the globe

[jwirr]

42. The first article out of Norway suggested that it was either about the

cartoon regarding Mohamed or an Iraqi man who had just been deported and was threatening the PM's life. Of course it was discussed here after that.

[Alamuti Lotus]

60. Yes, that was indeed the first way of groundless speculation

Though the coinciding of the specificity of the Kurdish threat (though his threat entailed being sent back to occupied Iraq and being executed, and the subsequent repercussions then) and the gov't center apparently being targeted is curious, the initial wild speculations were wrong all the same. That false speculation might have completely diverted the attention away from the real culprits, had one of them not gone on such a highly-visible rampage at the other attack site..

[reformist2]

37. They've now entered the denial phase.

A new thread just got started and many are saying they don't believe it, that there's something fishy, etc. etc.

The more sensible ones are obsessed with how the "MSM" is going to have a field day attacking conservatives.

Nobody is facing the reality that a right-winger probably did this.

[harmonicon]

39. Freeperville and DU both.

What people can't seem to wrap their heads around is that lunatics can be right-wing Muslims just as they can be anything else.

[IamK]

93. both are full of very narrow minded people...

[Nostradammit]

71. So was Democratic Underground.

Seriously.

[Hugin]

18. It is a very sad day.

[pettypace]

20. Biggest serial killer of all time

Still waiting on ties to Jihadis to turn up.

[Adsos Letter]

28. I doubt those ties are there...

One of the posters on fb said he was a Zionist angry at the Norwegian government for their stance on Palestine. Unproven source, I recognize, but it would fit with the description of a far-right Christian extremist.

[jwirr]

43. Didn't Norway just recognize the Palestinians? That would no doubt

be a possible reason.

[Speaker]

102. Ummm...No

This was not a serial killer. A serial killer hunts people over time. This was a mass murderer, who kills many in a single bloodbath; or a spree killer who kills many in a short time frame.

[Yon_Yonson]

21. I am speechless! My sympathy goes out to the Norwegians who have lost so much!

[Raschel]

24. Horrifying and sick beyond belief.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[reformist2]

33. When do we stop treating these shootings as "isolated"?

The world has a problem with Islamic terrorism, no doubt. Why won't it recognize that it has perhaps just as great a problem with right-wing, ultra-violent fringe kooks? Of course they're not organized like the Islamic terrorists are, but it's high time we recognized these crazed shootings as a chronic societal problem that needs to be dealt with.

[Lucky Luciano]

35. Dexter: I am hooked on the show via Netflix - he would know how to handle this guy! nt

[reorg]

38. the shooter is a Dexter fan

according to his facebook page. Which doesn't surprise me in the least.

[aquart]

36. HEAD SHOTS. Was he an actor?

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=538&q=Anders+Behring+Breivik&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&oq=Anders+Behring+BreivikBehring+Breivik&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=4214l31151l0l40475l9l8l0l1l1l0l254l1326l0.5.2l7

[jwirr]

44. He listed himself as a director on his FB page.

[DallasNE]

40. Link Outlining Social Networking Of Killer

http://mashable.com/2011/07/22/norway-shootings-suspects-social-media-trail-examined/

It speaks for itself.

[Octafish]

46. Thank you. The shooter clearly is insane and a fascist.

Incredible sadness for Norway and its people. My heart breaks for the children and their families.

[AntiFascist]

58. Right-wing extremism IS the problem...

the scary thing is that they apparently don't even have to be organized. No conspiracy?

[anarch]

68. in this case, in U.S. politics, and in Islamist terrorism...true in all cases

this is horrible :(

[DallasNE]

69. Depends On What You Mean By Organized

The message is organized on the right wing blogs. The attacks, however, are not coordinated on the blogs so the conspiracy aspect is once removed rather than direct.

[AntiFascist]

161. This guy apparently had some rather "deep" connections...

I'm not one who believes that freemasons are necessarilly evil, but there is an element of secrecy and it could have lead him to some high-level, right-wing connections.

[KamaAina]

45. Blond, blue-eyed Norwegian?!

But, but, but I was reading all day right here at DU that it must've been them ee-vul godless Mooslims!!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[ProDem4]

51. Clearly a Godless Progressive European Socialist.

Burning up with leftest hate.

:sarcasm:

[24601]

98. It's time to round up all all the blue-eyes and interrogate them at

GITMO.

Get real people, converts - be they nazi or AQAP can come from any background, race, color, orientation, faith, etc.

First reports are more often than not flawed and/or have gaps that will be filled-in over time.

[buckrogers1965]

165. A gap is one thing.

It's OK to just say you don't know something and that you are trying to find the information.

Blaming whole entire groups of the wrong people is a whole 'nother ballpark altogether.

[esau]

47. the youth wing of the ruling Labour Party.

This is who he shot. A true American hero by Fox standards. Hope he is publicly hanged. or burned.

[AllyCat]

53. I do not believe in the death penalty, but if these were indeed the victims,

it is a sad act of violence because of what, politics?

[Divine Discontent]

70. yep. going after the future is what he was doing - what a coward and devil.

I, like many libs don't believe in the death penalty (Norway is anti-DP), I'd rather they let him rot in solitary, and bring him out to study his mind and thoughts so that things like this can be worked on by behavioral experts so as to see the types of things that led him to eventually believing that slaughtering all those young people was a noble deed. But, I can understand the anger about wanting him to be stuffed in the ground. His actions were some of the most damaging done by a random lone gunmen I can think of. :(

[Shining Jack]

48. That's horrible!

:cry:

[defendandprotect]

49. K/R ....

Obviously, Norway was too peaceful --

needed to be pulled into the chaos/violence the rest of the planet is suffering!!

Takes religion to do it -- ??

[AllyCat]

50. My deepest sympathies to the victims and their families.

There is no rationalizing this tragedy. May they find peace in time.

[struggle4progress]

54. ... a gunman stalked youths at an island summer camp for young members of the governing Labor Party

... After the shooting, police seized a 32-year-old Norwegian on the island. He was identified as Anders Behring Breivik and was characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist ...
NIGHTMARES IN NORWAY
By Elisa Mala and J. David Goodman
Published 12:01 a.m., Saturday, July 23, 2011
http://www.mysanantonio.com/life/article/NIGHTMARESIN-NORWAY-1546652.php

[struggle4progress]

55. ... According to Norwegian TV2's sources, the suspect belonged to right-extremist groups in eastern

Norway, and the man might have registered two weapons-- an automatic weapon and a Glock-type pistol -- under one of the groups' names. Swedish news site Expressen said he is a self-described nationalist and has written a number of posts critical of Islam.

A Facebook page matching his name and the photo given out by the police was set up just a few days ago. It listed his religion as Christian, politics as conservative. It said he enjoys huntingIs Norway suspect a member of an extremist group? ...

Is Norway suspect a member of an extremist group?
Updated: July 23, 2011 - 12:02 AM
http://www.startribune.com/world/126046228.html

[gejohnston]

65. there is no privately owned automatic weapons in Norway unless

you are a collector specializing in machine guns, and those licenses are a major hassle.

[krispos42]

74. never mind!

oops, wrong spot

[struggle4progress]

85. ... police said the suspect had used “a machine pistol” in the attack, but declined to provide

further details ...
Death Toll Rises to 91 in Norway Attacks
By ELISA MALA and J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: July 23, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?pagewanted=1

... Norwegian media reported that the suspect belonged to an extreme right wing group and had a Glock pistol and machine gun registered in his name ...
Norwegian media name bombing, shooting suspect
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/22/501364/main20082321.shtml

... Ole Torp, a journalist with Norwegian state broadcaster NRK, said there were reports the man was armed with a handgun, an automatic weapon and a shotgun ...
Horror of 'catastrophic dimensions' in Norway as gunman kills 84 in kids camp massacre after bombing
Jul 23 2011
Ryan Perry
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/07/23/horror-of-catastrophic-dimensions-in-norway-as-gunman-kills-84-in-kids-camp-massacre-after-bombing-86908-23290817/

... The Associated Press reports that Breivik has a Glock pistol, a rifle and a shotgun registered in the Norwegian gun registry ...
Norway Terror Suspect Described As Far-Right Nationalist Islamophobe
Friday, 22 July 2011 21:27
Devin Burghart
http://www.irehr.org/international-dimensions/13-news/89-norway-terror-suspect-described-as-far-right-nationalist-islamophobe

... Breivik was registered with a Glock pistol, a rifle and a hunting gun in the weapon register. In his car several other weapons were found, including machine pistols, after the arrest ...
Norway's Terror Shock
Åsne Seierstad
Jul 22, 2011 7:56 PM EDT
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/22/oslo-norway-bombing-utoya-attack-shock-after-the-blast-and-shooting.html

[gejohnston]

164. machine pistol is the European term for

what we call submachine gun because they are smaller and use pistol ammunition. That said, there are a few full auto pistols that Americans and Canadians would call machine pistols. The Glock 18 and the Heckler & Koch (no relation) VP70 is another. They are rare. One thing to watch out for is that things get lost in translation esp when translators may not be that knowledgeable about firearms. None of the European sources said anything about them being legally owned. I have been looking mostly to European sources partly because I take CNN slightly more, not by much, as seriously as Faux.

[Ghost Dog]

78. Yes. But no mention by AP of his alleged "right-extremist groups" relations.

I wonder if that angle ever will be properly covered in the US MSM.

[pampango]

89. NYT covered it. “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.” So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.

The acting police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, said the suspect’s Internet postings “suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but if that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen.”

He said the suspect had also been seen in Oslo before the explosions. The police and other authorities declined to say what the suspect’s motivations might have been, but many speculated that the target was Mr. Stoltenberg’s liberal government.

[Ghost Dog]

97. Well, almost. (Same as is being quoted here in Spain). But, still,

I'd like to see some more professional journalistic investigation of, you know, those self-organising "GROUPS".

[struggle4progress]

56. An aerial view of Utoya Island

http://images.ctv.ca.nyud.net:8090/archives/CTVNews/img2/20110722/800_youth_camp_oslo_110722_430241.jpg?2
At least 80 killed in youth camp shooting: police
Updated: Fri Jul. 22 2011 20:59:18
CTV News.ca Staff
http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110722/oslo-explosino-norway-blast-110722/20110722/?hub=EdmontonHome

[pettypace]

57. Another thing why come we don't have any women serial killers?

Men are batting a perfect 1.000 in committing excessive acts of mega violence.

Interesting no one makes light of the one-sided nature of gender in these crimes.

[enki23]

59. That's just the patriarchy keeping them down.

I mean that in all seriousness.

[Recursion]

67. Charlize Theron won an oscar for playing one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

[boppers]

80. Aside from oh, the most prolific serial killer in history?

Elizabeth Báthory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

[caseymoz]

61. Sheesh. Horrifying. The population of Norway is small.

Eighty people gone is a huge disaster for them. Considering the population is about 1/70th of the US, and that these were almost all children, this is bigger for Norway than 9/11 was for the US, and they are probably feeling just as much grief and anger.

[PatrynXX]

64. 9th removed

thanks to my dads ancestor research, we've known for quite some time our relatives 9 times removed live in Norway. So its a bit of a shock. hope our Hans is alright. We once sent him a uh foamation cheesehead and he was the talk of the down for that. :)

Just Norway?? :( where every male is required to go to the military. They should have been more prepared. and I'm reading this on the Opera Browser. From Norway.

[JCMach1]

73. Xtian Religious FUNDY... -91 dead now

:(

per the latest presser by the police just completed.

Would be prosecuted under terrorism law and would be up for 21 yrs. in prison.

YIKES! 21 years for this :(

[panzerfaust]

87. People like this are why I support execution

"...the suspect also posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies..."

People like this are also why I fear religion and its slaves.

[JCMach1]

103. Even if you don't life in prison would seem to be in-order...

I remember speaking to the owner of a farm-stay property in Germany. She spoke of her college age daughter who was raped, tortured and murdered. She was feeling horrible because the murderer was getting out after only about 12 years.

[krispos42]

75. Wikipedia says he was a farmer, which means he had access to fertilizer.

And we remember what happens when you mix fertilizer, diesel fuel (or home heating oil), and a match, don't we?

:nuke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks


Son of a bitch!

[Search and Destroy]

79. Norway has no life sentence

Hi all. I have read that Norway has no life sentence, and their maximum sentence is 21 years. Does this mean the shooter will go free, or do they have some sort of way to keep particulary dangerous people like this locked up?

[Arrowhead2k1]

81. I don't know about Norway, but I know that in some countries

convicts found guilty of extreme crimes can be held indefinately if they are classified as dangerous offenders. I seriously doubt that this mass murderer will ever be outside of custody ever again.

[Lars77]

91. That's right, life in Norway is 21 years but we can hold people indefinately nt

[Glimmer of Hope]

86. His shooting spree went on for at least an hour. Those poor children.

Why?

[Lars77]

90. The latest is that the police suspect there may have been a 2nd shooter on the island.

The death toll now stands at 91 in total.


This is the most violent and horrible day in the history of my country since World War Two.

[cbdo2007]

95. Thanks for the updates. Thinking about you all and so sorry this had to happen. nt

[Lars77]

92. My thoughts on what happened so far.

He is a 32 year old Norwegian man. He identifies himself as a christian conservative. However being christian conservative is not exactly the same as in the US.
I've seen some of his internet postings, he was very active online. It's all very quasi intellectual and anti-muslim, anti-socialist.

It all makes sense to me now.

There's national holiday time so there's not that many people around the city. The death toll from the bomb would have been huge if it was a normal weekday.

Still, the bomb was an attack on state power, on the institutions themselves. Then he went to Utøya Island, which is one hour away. It corresponds pretty well with the time. Utøya is an annual convention for the labour party youth, and is seen as a must-go place if you're ambitious within the labour party. It's almost like a political factory. They have fun, games and seminars etc, but mostly it's about networking.

He dressed as a police officer, gained access to the island and called people to gather around him. Then he opened fire. And he kept firing for at least an hour. 700 people were there, mostly 14-18 year olds. He was cheering and hooting while he was shooting people. It was obviously an attack on the political left, right at the heart of their power structure. It is fashionable for right-wingers in this country to blame the labour party for the influx of muslim immigrants.

The police responded impressively quickly, considering their attention was diverted to the city. A special police squad went out there by helicopter and managed to somehow apprehend him unharmed.

The latest info is that he was a member of the far-right Progress Party. They arent nazis, but when i say far right in Norway, i mean something like a normal Republican or blue dog Democrat. They are anti-state, anti-left and anti-muslim. But they love to spend state money on defense and police. Sound familliar?


The death toll so far stands at 91.


Norwegian PM yesterday: "Our answer to violence is even more transparency, more democracy".

[Lars77]

94. Bit more info on the guy

He described himself as a cultural conservative, while being a capitalist/laissez-faire liberalist economically.

He wanted to create an institutional right to counter our institutional left. Control a newspaper, thinktanks, youth parties.

He talked about a revival of conservative values to counter the destruction of the family, morality and society in general that the left had been doing with their youth organizations.

He was a big fan of the "Vienna school of thought" which is a economic liberalist philosphy.


Edit: He writes in an online conservative forum that he wants to start "a cultured euro-version of the Tea Party movement"...

[muriel_volestrangler]

100. "Vienna school of thought" may refer to the Gates of Vienna blog

which is a European anti-Muslim blog (named after the time when Turkish forces got as far as the Gates of Vienna before being defeated). Here's an automatic translation of something he appears to have written:

Here is another claim he makes:

I’m NOK much later in the game than him when I have only been politically active for 13 years. I førstegenerasjonsdhimmi (Generation Y). I was active Oslo FrP / FpU in the first 6-7 years (in the cultural conservatives + laissez faire capitalist / liberal camp) and contributed to the Progress Party’s success before I stopped. I felt the time was more important to help develop / promote the political doctrines abroad especially British, German, French, American). I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna school of thought that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till. The last three years I worked full time with a cultural conservative works that will help to further develop / promote these political doctrines further. Anyway, I consider the future consolidation of the cultural conservative forces on all seven fronts as the most important in Norway and in all Western European countries. It is essential that we work to ensure that all these 7 fronts using the Vienna school of thought, or at least parts of the grunlag for 20-70 year-struggle that lies in front of us.

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/23/online-profile-of-anders-behring-breivik-progress-party-youth-activist-turned-extreme

[Lars77]

96. A chiling photo

Taken from a press helicopter, the photograph did not realise he got a shot of the gunman at the time.

[cbdo2007]

101. Wow! scary.

[CJvR]

99. Many injured...

... (20-30) are in serious to critical condition. This might go over 100 dead before it is over.

[James48]

104. Norway suspect described as right-wing Christian; death toll hits 91

Source: LA TIMES

Police begin searching the apartment of Anders Behring Breivik, 32, who is accused of orchestrating the Oslo bombing and the shooting rampage at a youth camp.


Norwegian police said Saturday that the death toll from Friday's attacks has risen to 91 and confirmed that they have arrested a suspect whom they described as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.

In a news conference Saturday morning in Oslo, police confirmed that they had arrested Anders Behring Breivik, 32, on suspicion of orchestrating both the Oslo bombing and the youth-camp shooting rampage and had begun searching his apartment. They would not comment on whether he acted alone but said no other arrests have been made. They said Breivik had no criminal record.

They would not speculate on his motives, but said, based own his own Twitter and Facebook accounts, he appeared to be a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-norway-attacks-20110724,0,3637984.story?track=rss

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Sound familiar?

Right-wingers opening fire on members of the labor movement.

Is there any question anywhere about the dangers to society of right-wing extremests?

Sadly, the FOX "NEWS" article fails completely to mention that the man posted anti-Muslim rants on Christian fundementalist web sites.

Is anyone surprised that Faux wants to paint him simply as a crazy guy, instead of reporting that he's doing just what a lot of right-wingers advocate- going out and killing members of the Labor movement?

[Warren Stupidity]

105. In the official news, this is now not a 'terrorist' incident. nt.

[CJvR]

107. What official news?

The norwegians are sure talking terror and are even charging the suspects under their terrorism laws.

[Warren Stupidity]

109. Ours, not theirs. We only have left wing or muslim terrorists.

[fascisthunter]

137. which tells me we have Christian Fundamentalists in our media

and in our government who are out to attack the rest of us while protecting their own.

[Fumesucker]

110. If it had been a Muslim the title of the article would have included the word "terror" somehow..

Since the alleged killer is not a Muslim the word "terror" will not be used by the US media in the description of the mass killing in Norway.

That was my takeaway of the point the poster was trying to make.

[Blue_Tires]

121. our media was THIRSTY for their islamic boogeyman

how many of them ran with that responsibility claim from that "jihad" group no one ever heard of? (which was probably nothing more than two clowns with a website)

Now I expect U.S. coverage to drop the story completely in 36 hours...

[alarimer]

129. Yeah, that's exactly how they will spin it.

Even though right-wingers clearly are terrorists, like McVeigh and those pro-lifers.

[DonCoquixote]

106. Looks like the EU

is seeing some of the Koch brothers "second amendment remedies."

[Euromutt]

113. Norway isn't in the EU

They're one of the few remaining holdouts.

[pampango]

136. It a member of the EFTA (European Free Trade Association) which joined the EU's Internal Market

in 1994 so that it has the same rights and responsibilities as EU countries with respect to open trade and no tariffs. It also belongs to the Schengen Agreement which permits travel throughout Europe without internal border controls.

[Upton]

114. Norway doesn't have a 2nd Amendment..

In fact, Norway has much stricter gun control laws than the US. This tragedy is just another example of how gun control doesn't work..

[tabasco]

119. Norway has a gun homicide rate of 0.3 per 100,000

compared to 7.1 in the U.S.

Your logic is pretty screwed up there, pal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

[No Elephants]

127. Thanks for the link.

[krispos42]

133. But Norway's total homicide rate is only 0.6 per 100,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Or about one-ninth that of the US.

Our non-gun homicide rate is considerably higher than their TOTAL homicide rate.


It's not the guns, it's our system

[tabasco]

158. Guns are involved in more than half the homicides in the U.S.

Your final conclusion is illogical.

Guns are a big part of the problem, especially handguns.

[krispos42]

159. And they're involved in half the homicide of Norway, too

But the fact is that our homicide rate is 5.5. two-thirds are performed with guns, so our non-gun homicide rate is 1.8, or 3x Norway's TOTAL homicide rate.

The problem is us!

[No Elephants]

123. No law works 100% and no law can prevent 100% of anything . Laws are about

deterrence to the greatest degree possible and also about what happens AFTER you violate them.

So, no, an isolated incident in any nation does not prove anything about anything.

[hayrow]

108. The real headline for the story could be "Nut gets Nutier in Norway and goes on rampage"

Lucky for us we live in the U.S., and Napolitano decided home grown terrorists in the United States were not a threat.

[fascisthunter]

138. no... it should read: another Right Wing Christian Fundi Commits Terrorist Act

[Enrique]

111. worst violence in Norway

since that other RWer back in WWII.

[left on green only]

167. Thank You For Pointing That Out!

Hitler and the Nazis were the consummate right wing political group of the 1930's and 1940's. History does not dispute that. Why is it then that Ben Gleck and his ilk of right wing, politically misinformed are unable to grasp it? With the constant reference to Obama wearing a Hitler mustache and appearing dressed in a Nazi uniform coming from a multitude of contributors appearing on Faux News, you would think that every lame attempt to compare Obama with right wing Hitler would be being offered by them as a compliment, not a disgrace.

Conversely, as soon as it was made known that "one of their own" was responsible for the atrocity that just occurred in Norway, the right wingers dropped the "terrorist" tag from their coverage of that event like a hot potato. When will they ever come to express a little honesty and embrace their own? Can't you just imagine Rush walking around the studio dressed in his polo shirt and doing the goose step? Yessiree, guaranteed to give Laura a hot flash. Sig Heil!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

112. As I was saying, right wingnuts taught me to HATE Christian churches nt

[Demeter]

115. Most of those churches are "Christian" only in name

the perversion of another useful idea by the power and war mongers.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

116. Yep, well, I have Repukes to thank for my hatred of Christian churches nt

[Demeter]

117. Those church leaders and members are complicit

It's a great, top-down conspiracy.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

139. Oh, no doubt about that. Christian churches in this country are guilty of committing evil nt

[No Elephants]

125. I agree that most, if not all of the churches that have sold their souls to the RW

are "Christian" in name only.

[Ghost Dog]

118. Yeah. They appear to tend to emphasise the message of the Old Testament

over that of the New.

- Perhaps along with this kind of shit (Christ crucified as a monkey; let nobody take offense): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RY83mAr5uA

[Sarah Ibarruri]

140. But you know, the church leaders that compiled the Bible and omitted other books....

intended the New Testament to read like a militaristic thing. They turned away most Bible books that were empathetic, kind, loving, etc.

[lunatica]

120. How do they claim to know so much? The crime happened on Friday - yesterday

What they say may be true or not, but shouldn't police be more tight lipped about what they're finding?

[muriel_volestrangler]

124. You might expect the police to say less

but the media and the web have found his web pages and posts, which appear to have been made before Friday and so are presumably genuine, so the discussion will inevitably be out there.

[No Elephants]

122. What does being a Christian have to do with a shooting rampage at a youth camp?

I've seen a lot of anti-Christian, anti-religious stuff in LBN, but this has more to do with RW incitement than it does with anything Jesus is supposed to have taught.

And, no, putting fundamentalist in a sentence doesn't fix the problem. That simply means someone who sticks closely to what is written in the Bible, and, as to Christians, especially the words attributed by the Bible to Jesus. Again, this has nothing AT ALL to do with anything attributed to Jesus in the Bible.

[Bragi]

126. Ah, his brand of Xianism isn't the REAL Xianism, sure...

I think the same claim of doctrinal error is what most Muslims say about Islamic jihadists.

Personally, I think religion itself is a problem, and scourge on humanity.

- B

[No Elephants]

128. A Christian is someone who tries to live as Christ did. I find no problem in that.

[rms013]

132. A Christian should be someone who tries to live as Christ did would be more appropriate.

[osteenq]

134. If they keep it to themselves...

...and don't use it as a reason to judge others.

But virtually none of them do that.

[LanternWaste]

152. Much as we commonly do using

"and don't use it as a reason to judge others..."

Much as we commonly do using politics and philosophies as a base-line.

[BiggJawn]

130. The Tali-Born-Again aren't into Jesus.

Oh, sure, they all say they are, but I'll lay odds they can quote more Leviticus and Deuteronomy than they can the words Jesus supposedly said.

But nope, they're not a problem, just some small splinter group.

Right, a "small splinter group" that counts Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry and a couple million Authoritarians among their members...

[rms013]

131. What does being a Christian .....

About as much as being a Muslim has to do with terrorist attacks.

[LetTimmySmoke]

135. In case anyone thought it was just Islam. It's fundies.

[LanternWaste]

154. In case anyone thought it was just brown people. It's whites.

In case anyone thought it was just brown people. It's whites.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

141. Norwegian shooter linked to right-wing extremism (Christian)

Source: Raw Story/ Update: Reuters

Update: Reuters is now reporting that according to a Norwegian television station, the shooter "has links to right-wing extremism."

As fresh information trickles in about the bombingclear that these were not acts of international terroris
According to Haroon Siddique of the Guardian, who is live-blogging the tragedy, security correspondent Gordon Correra has stated on the BBC's Newsnight that "a youth rally is not a usual type of target for an Islamist terrorist - a factor which suggests the attacks may have been carried out by someone with a national agenda."

Norwegian police had previously confirmed that the suspect who was arrested at the youth camp, and who was also seen in Oslo prior to the bombings, is ethnically Norwegian.

Update: The alleged gunman has now been identified as Anders Behring Breivik. What appears to be his Facebook page lists his religious views as Christian and his political views as conservative. It lists a number of classical philosophical and literary works as his favorite books, cites True Blood and Stargate Universe as among his favorite television shows, and names World of Warcraft as among his favorite games.



Read more: http://www.todayszaman.com/news-251411-man-kills-at-least-91-in-norway-shooting-bombing.html

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sad....Norway's has it's own Timothy McVeigh too...how many more?

[DonCoquixote]

142. this is GLOBAL

and the folks running this, the rich, do not care who they have to employ or fool, we are ALL their food!

[fascisthunter]

143. That's what it looks like to me

[ElsewheresDaughter]

144. DonCoquixote, that's a bucket of truth!

[Pab Sungenis]

145. Time to start screening for teabaggers at airports.

Don't let right wing reactionaries fly.

[blueclown]

146. I wonder if he read Atlas Shrugged.

[Ian David]

148. Probably. And he was also a fan of Daniel Pipes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1555107

[muriel_volestrangler]

151. Yes, that has been confirmed:

Norwegian Killer Linked to Tea Party and EDL

Anders Behring Breivik posted links to the Atlas Shrugs website of the Tea Party’s Pamela Geller. Here you can see him under the name of Anders Behring (his middle name) posting links to Geller’s “Atlas Shrugs” site. That cache page is bing translated from Norwegian.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/07/norwegian-killer-linked-to-tea-party-and-edl/

On edit: Ooops, I thought you meant the Pamela Geller 'Atlas Shrugs' anti-Muslim website, rather than the Rand 'Shrugged' novel. Unclear if he was a Rand fan - she's not well known in Europe generally, but he did read people like Geller and Pipes, so might have picked it up from there.

[Ian David]

147. I was pissed when SyFy canceled Stargate Universe, too. But not THAT pissed. n/t

[Melinda]

149. Interesting how at least one Freeper claimed this guy could be one of their own...

Saw this factoid posted last night in GD. Mind boggling in a sad and scary way.

On edit -Found the post:

To: piytar
It seems like a conservative who is sceptical about islam and multiculturalism.

He would fit in here at freerepublic.

I read many of his posts. He seemed smart, and I agreed with most of it. Not a hint of any aggression or murderous intent.

He had ambitions of starting a conservative print media as he didn’t like the socialist bias of the msn.

Just crazy.

Original link, however the post seems to have been removed: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2752667/replie

[Suji to Seoul]

150. why am I not surprised?

Right wingers don't like something. . .time to pull out the guns and bombs.

[Divine Discontent]

163. they've been calling for 2nd amendment remedies since 2009. treasonous devils.

[treestar]

155. Jihad groups did try to take credit

Very strange.

[buckrogers1965]

166. A website tried to take credit.

But it could have been hacked, or it could be a website totally unrelated to the group in question.

[Quantess]

160. Horrible.

This makes me so angry. Too bad they don't have the death penalty in Norway. They could make an exception for this guy...