Police detain several in Oslo raid after attacks

[jakeXT]

Source: Reuters


OSLO, July 24 | Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:31am EDT


(Reuters) - Armed Norwegian police detained several people on Sunday in a raid linked to attacks on Friday that killed at least 92 people, media said.

Both independent TV2 and the online Verdens Gang newspaper said police had detained several in Oslo. No confirmation was immediately available.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/24/norway-gunman-police-idUSOSN00530720110724

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Second man detained over Utoya shooting

­A second man has been arrested over the shooting at a youth camp on Norway’s Utoya Island, TV2 reported on Saturday. The man was detained in the city of Sundsvoll, outside the hotel where the Prime Minister along with the Justice Secretary and Foreign Minister were visiting survivors and victims' relatives. The channel stresses it is too early to determine if the detainee is in fact the second gunman. He was found to be carrying a knife in his pocket.The tragedy occurred on Friday when the shooting left at least 85 people dead. The attack followed a bomb explosion in Norway’s capital, Oslo, which hit government headquarters and claimed the lives of at least seven people.

http://rt.com/news/line/2011-07-23/#id14927

[PSPS]

1. Since this article, it has been reported that all detained have now been released.

They apparently were not connected to the shooting.

[slackmaster]

2. They rounded up the usual suspects, interviewed them, and let them go

[Yon_Yonson]

3. One man planted the explosive and then performed a mass murder?

I find that very hard to believe because the sheer logistic behind this evilness! No way ... no how and we shall wait and see what develops.

[Lars77]

9. He planned it for nine years.

The bomb was a diversion. The government in oslo comes under attack, the presincts surrounding the rural areas around the city go there to assist, while he drove the other way and started to shoot people. Last word is that he used dum-dum bullets.

It is not inconceivable at all that he acted alone when you see the amount of planning and how careful he was. He even stripped the AVIS stickers of the rental van and washed the glue off before planting the bomb in it. And did the same with the other rental van he drove to the island.

[Blown330]

13. Not "dum-dum" bullets.

As such ammunition is called hollow-point in the current vernacular. Hollow-points, while designed to expand and cause quicker incapacitation, are still designed to retain their mass and doctors would not have made the comments they have in reguards to the injuries they are finding. More likely used frangible ammunition. Consider the fact that this is a country that has many sport/target shooters, space for indoor ranges is a premium, and the "green" environmental impact of lead-free frangible ammunition makes it very available and very likely that it was used. This ammunition doesn't explode, it is made out of highly compressed metal powder (usually a copper alloy) and it shatters upon impact with any hard surface, like bone.

[Lars77]

17. Thanks for clearing that up.

[jakeXT]

15. So what website did he put on his car?

Crime scene: The 32-year-old Norwegian is said to have used this white van to drive onto the island of Utoya

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html#ixzz1T6B8i6dF

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html#ixzz1T2VUWOgm

[Lars77]

16. It's the wrong van. The car he drove to Utøya was a smaller Fiat Doblo according to the media.

There seems to be a lot of small factual errors in the English speaking media.

This is a minor detail though.

The bomb car was a VW Crafter.


Edit: I found a photo of the small van being taken away from the parking spot near the island.

[defendandprotect]

14. Agree -- a new McVeigh ... who didn't do it without FBI help, either -- !!

[LanternWaste]

19. What are the precise and relevant points that place this beyond the ability of one person?

I'm afraid I don't understand why you think this is beyond the ken of one individual. What are the precise and relevant points of logoistics that place this beyond the ability of one person?

[Yon_Yonson]

21. More information at DU thread

Nothing specifiy except a gut feeling and I am waiting to see what develops along with the invistigations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4934827#4934863

[bongbong]

4. Latest

The BBC & the Voice are reporting that the terrorism in Norway is all due to one right-wing racist, Behring Breivik.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815

[fedsron2us]

6. How can they be so sure so early after the event

Here in the UK it would take the anti-terror teams weeks just to gather the data about the blast and to put together a picture of how the bomb was built, delivered and detonated. They would also need to reconstruct all the individuals movements and contacts for months before the event.

When the Provisional IRA blew up a massive fertiliser bomb in Bishopsgate in London in 1993 they used a three man team minimum and those guys had over two decades of bomb making experience to call upon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bishopsgate_bombing

Although huge destructive devices can be built using fertiliser getting them to detonate properly is not a trivial task. I know Breivik did National Service in Norway. I wonder if he had much dealing with detonators while in the army ?

Lets hope the Norwegian police are not just believing every tale the suspect is telling them.

[GliderGuider]

11. I've read that he made his own picric acid for the detonators and conducted at least one full test.

This guy is no dummy. He apparently has incredible focus, tremendous strength of will, and a very high IQ. Of course there's also the small matter of him having neither conscience nor empathy, but hey, if you want to be a successful mass murderer I guess you have to make a few sacrifices...

[jakeXT]

12. I'm surprised he didn't kill that ten year old boy

Oslo Bombing: 10-Year-Old Pleads With Norway Shooter

The Telegraph points out an eyewitness account of Friday's Norway shooting, in which a 10-year-old boy told the gunman, "now you've killed my dad. Let us alone."

The episode was recounted by 21-year-old Adrian Pracon who was injured during the attack, according to Varden newspaper in Norway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/oslo-bombing-child-pleads-with-norway-shooter_n_907796.html



It was on abc, but is now scrubbed




At some point in the melee, the 10-year-old told Pracon his father was dead, when the shooter came over a hill and put the gun directly to boy's head.

Pracon said the boy "started barking at the shooter" yelling at him, telling him, "I'm only 10 years old I'm too young to die. Besides you just killed my father." The shooter didn't pull the trigger.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/norway-shooting-explosion-suspect-admits-firing-weapons-youth/story?id=14141571&page=2

[indurancevile]

10. i for one don't believe it.

[uppityperson]

5. What sort of knife? Rural area, could be pocketknife.

[jwirr]

7. All this is telling us is that they do not yet have info that there were

more than one person involved. They are still investigating.

[Lars77]

8. To clear up a few things.

It was the property they raided because they believed the suspect might have stored something there. Nothing was found, and the arrested people were guest workers from Eastern Europe.

The second man with the knife was a member of the Youth Party that was attacked, he had apparnetly mentioned something about him carrying a knife because he was afraid, and the cops jumped him, as they should.

Everyone are really nervous right now, but it seems likely that he acted alone.

[Doctor_J]

18. Norway is lucky it's not run by Hate Radio

if it were they would be screaming about the leftist president picking on poor, misunderstood right wingers.

[yellowcanine]

20. What is the relevance of him having a knife in his pocket? Were some victims stabbed?