9/11 commissioner: 'I've received threats'

[G_j]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/17/gorelick.threats/


9/11 commissioner: 'I've received threats'
Gorelick says she won't step down; FBI investigating
Saturday, April 17, 2004 Posted: 8:13 PM EDT (0013 GMT)



Jamie Gorelick says she will not resign her post on the commission investigating the attacks.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Jamie Gorelick, a member of the commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, said Saturday that she received death threats this week after a number of conservatives alleged that her former work in the Justice Department may have contributed to failures leading to the attacks.

In the mid-1990s, Gorelick served as deputy attorney general of the United States. During that time, she wrote a memorandum establishing distinctions between intelligence that could be used for law-enforcement purposes and intelligence that could be used for national security purposes.

That separation was originally required as a safeguard against abuse of citizens' rights by government investigative agencies. But passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the attacks eliminated the requirement.

The so-called "wall" governing intelligence uses has been a key subject at hearings of the commission. It has been blamed for being a main obstacle to better sharing of information in connection with the September 11 attacks.

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[genius]

1. Bush will probably have her killed or at least he'll try

And if it happens, everyone will say it's an accident or a suicide.

[Leilani]

4. No, Bush would not hurt her

They want her out there as a lightning rod. All the right wing haters can make her the issue, rather than Bush allowed 9/11 to happen.

[shockingelk]

7. Is there a message?

Attack the messenger!

I really think this tactic is only working to keep the Bush* faithful in the ranks - it's the only transparent thing about the White House - they try to control the debate by making it about the messenger instead of the message.

[nolabels]

53. I do think she is really just a Red Herring

Pretty sure she is also on the CFR. I they can raise this mysterious cloak of death threats, it can make her look important and doing some kind of real job. The only real job I see her doing is deflection of the story on 9/11.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
and the New World Order
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm

Why isn't the CFR in the History Books?
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/emhist.html

http://www.meforum.org/article/495
Council on Foreign Relations, "Improving U.S. Public Diplomacy"

Editors' preface:

In the aftermath of September 11, the United States government, the media, and the American public were taken aback by Muslim and Arab expressions of support for Usama bin Ladin and by the intensity of anti-American incitement in the Middle East and South Asia. "Why do they hate us?" many asked. Perhaps the United States had failed to put its message persuasively before the Muslim world.
(snip)
(snip)
Task Force: Co-Chairs: Carla A. Hills, Richard C. Holbrooke. Project Director: Charles C. Boyd. Signatory Task Force Members: Stanley S. Arkin, Reginald Bartholomew, C. Fred Bergsten, Harold Brown, Edward P. Djerejian, Thomas E. Donilon, Kenneth M. Duberstein, Stuart E. Eizenstat, Martin S. Feldstein, Richard N. Foster, Orit B. Gadiesh, Newton L. Gingrich, Jamie S. Gorelick, Morton H. Halperin, Jerome Hauer, James A. Johnson, Elaine C. Kamarck, Andrew Kohut, Marie-Josée Kravis, Jessica T. Mathews, M. Ishaq Nadiri, Joseph S. Nye, Jr., Philip A. Odeen, Peter G. Peterson, Arthur Ross, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Brent Scowcroft, John M. Shalikashvili, George Soros, Jessica E. Stern, Dick Thornburgh, Laura D'Andrea Tyson, Harold E. Varmus, William H. Webster, William F. Wechsler, Frank G. Wisner II, R. James Woolsey, Mona Yacoubian, James J. Zogby.
(snip)

on edit: If it were really true, would you really go around advertising you have recieved the threats?

[King_Crimson]

30. Beware...

the dreaded anthrax letter...you know...the type only DEMOCRATS recieve??

[Just Me]

60. Repeat after me: "there is no right-wing conspiracy" *LOL*

Until we accept the new "mafia",...we will never ever contain those wacko f*cks!!!! We could start by acknowledging the likes of Weyrich (sp?) and that lot of neo-nazis!!!

[rooboy]

2. Gorelick - the media's new "Gary Condit" n/t

[Prodemsouth]

27. Right , and I wish she would take herself out of the picture.

n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. So... today we're in favor of the Patiot Act and against Gorelick?

So...we're in favor of giving up our constitutional rights if we want Gorelick ousted. Oh, the conundrum.

[janx]

5. She is THE target of the right wing in respect to the 9/11

commission. That she has been receiving death threats is not surprising.

[G_j]

6. the 'freeper' types

have actually convinced themselves that 9-11 is her fault.

[shockingelk]

8. And their remedy

... is to terrorize her. Only in freeperville ...

[G_j]

12. like something out of the dark ages

you can convince them of anything as long as it points away from their "miserable failure".

BTW the 'wall' that Gorelick 'clarified' already existed.

[shockingelk]

15. Saw a wolfie interview her

It was sad. He asked a question about the memo and she gave the three sentence explanation it requires. He tried asking her "probing" questions and in response to the third, she just laughed it off as the non-issue it is.

[murielm99]

35. Yep...it had existed for 25 years.

That "wall" is actually our right to privacy.

And Asskkkroft approved of it before 9/11.

He is the one who started it with her, accusing her during is bogus testimony.

God, would I love to put a calico cat in his shorts.

[xchrom]

37. i know a very grumpy

calico you can use.
she HATES to be touched.

[janx]

13. This is really sad and creepy.

People sometimes can't deal with reality.

[drthais]

9. she is only the current target

because they can't find any other targets
they are running out of targets
everyone they TARGET turns ot to be
competely credible (i.e. CLarke, O'Neil et al)

[annagull]

57. If they get her off the commission, Ben Venista will be next

The right wing HATE him--the Watergate prosecutor who asks tough questions.

[0rganism]

10. An easy way to root out some terrorists....

is find out who wrote those death threats and send them to prison.

[leQ]

11. i still am confused as to how the wall seemed to work for the millenium

yet somehow was broken nine months later

[G_j]

14. just luck I guess..

no seriously, thats a good question.

[yardwork]

19. Same thing I wondered when Rice was testifying.

The "wall" didn't seem to stop people from talking to each other and stopping terrorists under Clinton.

[peace4all]

59. I had the same question nt

[robbedvoter]

16. remember Carol Roberts? Palm Beach comissioner who wanted the votes

counted? Same thing. She eventually became less vocal.
I notice a change in attitude in ben veniste as well - "no fault" - no more questions. The brown shirts got to them.

[keithyboy]

17. The right wing in this country is the scum of the earth!

eom

[bobthedrummer]

43. Real Americans fight fascists and militarists! We defend our Constitution

Unlike the neo-conservative traitors in Rumsfeld's DoD for instance!
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

[John_H]

18. When will Little Tommy, Gentleman Lee, and Whiney Nancy et. al learn

that the GOP will do anything to win. Ask Plame. Ask Gorelick. Ask Clinton, for Christs sake. They play for keeps 24/7 and the only way to deal with them is to play rougher.

[powergirl]

20. Do you think Bush will be a man and publically

condemn this behavior of threatening bodily injury of a public official? I think I know the answer - but just askin'

[G_j]

21. a decent man would

but he loves it, no doubt thrilled that she's been threatened.

[Hailtothechimp]

22. The words "bu$h" and "man" don't belong in the same sentence.

So no, he won't call off the dogs. He probably even enjoys it.

[DemoTex]

23. Not when the source of the threats is Bu$h's AG.

This started with A$$hcroft's bizarre "outing" during his "testimony." The threats to Jamie have to be assumed to come from A$$hcroft's office, until he can be come up with a fine story. Christian A$$hcroft? At least as Christian as Sen. Joe R. McCarthy. Maybe more Christian!

[G_j]

25. and of course the DOJ

is "investigating the threats". :think:

[snippy]

45. Are you talking about George W. Bush?

If so, why would he condemn death threats made against someone who can be falsely painted as a scapegoat for his own failures? That would not be consistent with his character.

[leesa]

24. Interesting that conservatives will threaten to kill this woman who was

marginally involved, but the Bush Cabal, who directly allowed 9-11 to happen are heroes. Conservatives are anti-patriots.

[bvar22]

26. The "WALL" was our Constitution.

Domestic spying and secret files on private citizens used to be a bad thing.

How loud would the right wing freaks squeal if Clinton had wanted to keep secret files on their perverted little lives?

[Old and In the Way]

29. Correct. Interestingly, the "wall" could be breeched at any time if the

AG, SoS, the Director of the CIA, or the Director of the FBI ascertained that it was in the interests of national security to open the files.

This issue is strictly a red herring.

[NMDemDist2]

32. can you say "FileGate" ??? nt

[Algorem]

28. stumbled upon freeper threat,er thread today from 4/14:"Call on Jamie S.

Gorelick to Resign From the 911 Commission" http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1117598/posts

[PaDUer]

31. These pukes are the reason

for MANY things that have happened in the past..they're a bunch of sickos with too much time on their hands..Send them over to Iraq!

[Penndems]

64. Those jerks must have a taste for prison cuisine

Anybody who'd be dumb enough to make threats against a former Assistant Attorney General can expect to do some serious time in Levenworth, Allentown or Danbury. This is a SERIOUS offense. (Ditto for threats made against the President, VP, Cabinet members, Members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, etc.)

No doubt, the FBI is already looking into this. Rest assured, FReepers: Your E-mails and letters, as well as the phone messages taken by the admin staff at the commission, are in safe hands. :evilgrin:

[pacifictiger]

33. One of the republican commissioners

defended her saying they could all could be accused of working in some areas of government being investigated by the commission at some stage of their careers, and that wherever ANY of them had a conflict of interest they would recuse themselves. He said she was providing valuable insight to the commission and that nobody felt she should resign.
That being said, it is more interesting that the memo she wrote regarding the "wall" was to clarify on paper what had become common practice since the republican abuses of power during watergate and iran/contra - and we can sit cheney square in the middle of both those incidents.

[feistydem]

34. That was Kean, and he also slyly threatened the WH that "leaks" would

seep out of the commission if the Bushies held out on signing off on the 9/11 report until after the election (which, of course, Republicans are threatening to do).

The only real group in play here are the independents, and they appear to be seeing through the b.s. --the polls aren't boding well for the puppet.

[Mike Niendorff]

36. same old same old.

When the evidence exposes their crimes, they'll aggressively try to whip up some new "revelation" or "scandal" in order to redirect the outrage onto someone else (hoping that their right wing followers are too stupid, too ill-informed or simply too partisan and dishonest to admit what's really going on).

We've seen it all before. A thousand times. And it's wearing very, very thin.


MDN

[flamingpie2500]

38. I don't think they could have sunk any lower.

The fact that the wall existed had NOTHING to do with who signed it etc. He didn't have to mention that someone on the panel was involved in its conception.
What a load of crap--Ashcroft should be fired for this, along with that dickhead Sensenbrenner.

[molly]

39. Asscroft is a very evil person - he makes my skin crawl

I watched that hearing and he behaved like a bully backed into a corner. He had Ted with him for "moral" support - sitting directly behind him. Their arrogance will be their downfall.

[trapper914]

40. Is the "Wall" just an excuse?

From what I understand, the old law ensured that the FISA court wouldn't be used as a basis to conduct routine criminal investigations. As Ashcroft uses this as an excuse, I'd like to hear some examples of how we couldn't connect the dots because of it.

[Toucano]

50. Absolutely!

There isn't a need for the CIA and the FBI to share information directly.

They're supposed to share with the president and the national security council who are supposed to put the pieces together and make decisions.

The flow is upward with the information and downward with the instructions. The Whitehouse is supposed to determine what information flows across agencies.

They don't want the responsibility now because they screwed it up.

We hear, for instance, that Tenet was briefing Bush daily. We hear nothing about what Bush did as a result of the briefings; what decisions were made, what instructions were given. Actually, I'm wrong. We hear nothing and that's what was done.

[NJmaverick]

41. Conservative = Nazis

Conservatives are truely sick evil power hungry people. These death threats should be front page news every where. People need to see what these people are truely like. Conservatives are antiAmerican facists that want to turn our beloved country into a new Nazi Germany!

[G_j]

44. "These death threats should be front page news every where"

try a news search, all that came up for me with "Gorelick" and "death threats" was the above CNN story that I posted last night night.
The story was on ABC nightly news. I guess they broke it, but I can't seem to find it at ABCnews.com ??

[NJmaverick]

48. Amazing how the right wing

Has such control over the media. I mean death threats to a 9/11 commission memember is pretty big news, yet it is completely ignored. The threats that old bag at the Tyco hearings got, received more coverage.

[DeepModem Mom]

42. Gorelick strikes back in a WP Sunday op-ed:

Gorelick Defends Information-Sharing Policies

By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 18, 2004; Page A09


Jamie S. Gorelick, the embattled Sept. 11 commission member who served as a deputy attorney general during the Clinton administration, fired back at critics who said she erected the "wall" between the FBI and the CIA that kept them from sharing intelligence and possibly from doing more to prevent the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In an opinion piece written for today's Washington Post, Gorelick says that a memo she wrote in March 1995 about information sharing between the two agencies "permits freer coordination between intelligence and criminal investigators than was subsequently permitted" by two other guidelines.

Gorelick's opinion comes five days after Attorney General John D. Ashcroft partly blamed the 2001 attacks on her memo during his testimony before the commission, and four days after Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) called on Gorelick to resign, citing "an inherent conflict of interest."...

***

But Gorelick, like other researchers, traced the statutes limiting intelligence sharing to the administrations of former Republican presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the 1980s. Under those presidents, intelligence sharing was permitted for spying on foreign suspects, but not criminal prosecutions.

Later, former attorney general Janet Reno issued guidelines on how information could be shared. "The point was to preserve the ability of prosecutors to use information collected by intelligence agents," Gorelick wrote.

(Gorelick also argues that deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, in an August 6, 2001 memo, "upheld the guidelines in her own.")


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20691-2004Apr17.html

[Redleg]

56. An excellent riposte to the Crisco Kid.

[snippy]

46. The Reich wing attacks need to be countered.

I sent this email to the Commission and the Family Liason Group and am sending similar messages to the media.

I have seen many news stories recently featuring elected officials and political pundits attacking the integrity and bipartisan work of the Commission and certain Commissioners. These co-ordinated attacks and the attackers need to be met head on and discredited. If you chose to ignore the attacks and try to appear that you are rising above the filth, it will fester like an infection and ultimately will be used throughout future history to discredit the work of the Commission. Twenty or thirty years from now the Commission and its report will be seen as laughable and dishonest failures. I believe that would be a tragedy. Please do not allow the work of the Commission to be destroyed by the foulest filth American politics has to offer.

[teryang]

47. Is the wall the reason?

Is the wall the reason that the DOJ and FBI are stonewalling the investigation of put option buying in AMR and UA stock in the three trading days prior to 911?

Is it the reason the DOJ and FBI aren't bothering to investigate the defense contractor most likely responsible for the anthrax attacks?

Is it the reason why the persons connected to the first anthrax victim and two of the 911 hijackers aren't being investigated?

Or are John Ashcroft and his boss the reason?

[robbedvoter]

49. The "Wall" = France (using the same hatred mechanisms)

France served to push the war, the Wall - Patriot Act.
this is from an article about W visiting Buffalo to push Patriot Act:


"Support for renewal of existing parts of the Patriot Act may grow in the wake of hearings by the 9/11 commission in which many witnesses complained the government was late in dealing with al-Qaida because of a "wall" that barred the Central Intelligence Agency from sharing data with the FBI.

The act removed part of that wall. However, many civil libertarians fear the president will not only ask for renewal of the existing law but will back new proposals that Attorney General John H. Ashcroft has advanced. "

Please everyone, read Gorelick's article and spread the truth on it:


The Truth About 'the Wall'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20786-2004Apr17.html
By Jamie S. Gorelick

[Name removed]

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[Carolina]

52. hard to believe HER?!!

her FAILURE. Death threats a small punishment ...!

Get thee off to Freeperville, you Jumbo (im)poster.

[calimary]

63. ...and they called US "sore loserman"...

[salin]

54. wow

let's pin 9-11 on the new admin target.

As described above - her work did not prevent the milenium attacks from being prevented (the quick identificatin and disruption of those planning the attacks in various parts of the country.)

[Stone_Spirits]

55. get thee behind me...

back to the slime pit before the light of truth exposes thee
:evilgrin:

[frankly_fedup2]

62. Wow, Ashcroft had to pull out the best he could

dig up for "We will all be dead" Bush.

[Zynx]

58. The right-wingers are being clever here.

They are trying to make the commission so partisan with these sorts of attacks that no one respects it. Also, they are trying to make the argument, though secretly, that because you have somebody like her, who they are trying to make out to be some kind of devil, on the commission, the whole thing is discredited.

[frankly_fedup2]

61. If I were she . . .

I would step down, and in my speech as to why I'm stepping down, I would state that I am doing so, so this Administration cannot use her as a scapegoat for their guilt.

She should step down.

I saw Hannity and Colmes on Friday (not sure which night); however, the guy they have as an analyst that let the prostitutes he hung with listen to him talking to Clinton on the phone, (what is his name), dick something??? Anyway, Hannity was screaming there should be an investigation on Gorelick instead of 911 and the propaganda of the widows (don't quote that); however, this other guy stated that Gorelick WAS THE REASON 911 HAPPENED. He said she was 100% to blame because it was her changes in the policy under attorney general Janet Reno.

Now she is receiving death threats . . . wonder from who . . . must be conservatives. Hmmm, I did not think they did those kind of things????

[Kool Kitty]

65. And Ashcroft could have changed the policy when he got into

office. He did not. He ratified it. She should not step down, she should push back. This always winds up happening. The ridiculous right throws any kind of shit at the wall, just to see what will stick. No more. the republicans on the committee don't want her to step down. This is just a distraction, very well-timed in view of Woodward's appearance on "60 Minutes" and the continuing disaster in Iraq. Any time there is a big outcry of the usual loudmouths on the right, Rush, Sean, etc., you know there is something else that should be getting the lion's share of the attention.