Norway attacks: Anders Behring Breivik appears insane, says his lawyer

[Turborama]

Source: The Guardian

Mark Townsend and Helen Pidd in Oslo| Tuesday July 26 2011 13.54 BST

The lawyer defending Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect behind Norway's terror attacks, said on Tuesday he had concluded his client was most likely "insane" and he was baffled that he had asked him to represent him.

Geir Lippestad, a member of the Labour party whose youth wing (AUF) Breivik targeted, killing more than 60 during a massacre on Utøya island, said he would cease representing him if the suspect refused to agree to psychological tests.

Describing Brievik as a "very cold" person, Lippestad added: "This whole case has indicated that he is insane." He said defending the man who had confessed to carrying out the attacks was a job that had to be done to preserve the integrity of the Norwegian legal system, but did not understand why the killer had chosen him.

Speaking to reporters, Lippestad also said Breivik had shared more details on his connections to far-right cells including a number outside the country.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/26/norway-attacks-anders-behring-breivik

[lapfog_1]

1. right wing extremist == cold, unfeeling, sociopath ------ check. n/t

[SpiralHawk]

4. - willing to cause innocent people massive suffering for a twisted goal - check

right wing hate wanker...

[Demeter]

13. Then so is at least 20% OF THE USA

But then, you knew that already.

[Auntie Bush]

32. So true...in fact most the Rethug party and 100% of the Teabaggers. NT

[denverbill]

2. How different is he from most Freepers and dittoheads?

I see comments from them daily about killing liberals and Muslims. And most of them claim to be Christians too.

[kestrel91316]

16. He's better looking.

[N7Shepard]

25. I spit water on my monitor, thanks

[slackmaster]

23. It's quite simple to answer your question, if you think about it just a little

He actually murdered a whole bunch of people.

[denverbill]

27. Yes, but until last week all he did was talk about killing liberals, just like they do.

Just a normal, everyday, borderline psychotic, anti-social right-winger.

Totin guns to town-hall meetings. Screaming about death panels. Engaging in paranoid conspiracy theories about Sharia law, Obama's citizenship.

This fucker would have fit right in at any Teabagger rally or freeper convention.

[idiotgardener]

3. I think that was made pretty clear the day the world learned his name.

nt

[bemildred]

5. He sure as heck is not "well balanced".

Whether he rises to the level of clinically or legally insane remains to be seen.

[thelordofhell]

14. He's "fair and unbalanced"

I wonder what his freeper name was

[villager]

6. Isn't that a given with right-wingers? After all, these people are destroying the planet

n/t

[Odin2005]

8. being a mean jerk is not itself insanity.

[villager]

9. No -- I think relentless pursuit of policies that lead to your own species' extinction

...probably fits the definition.

[Odin2005]

7. Bullshit. He's perfectly rational and sane.

Ugh, just because Loughner is insane does not mean every RW terrorist is insane.

The cruelest people are NOT the mentally ill, the cruelest people are those that are perfectly sane that do horrible things because they think the end justifies the means.

[TheEuclideanOne]

11. Yeah, he is insane, except for that moment when he hired me as his lawyer.

He was clearly sane for a few hours. But..... after he hired me, it is clear that he is totally insane and that is the defense I will use. Insanity only during the crime, yet completely sane only during brief moments when he hired me to defend him and during those times when he pays me.

[slackmaster]

22. I think every mass murderer is insane

Regardless of their motivations, rationalizations, etc.

[Odin2005]

31. I can't agree.

Insane indicates that somebody is out of touch with reality (practical, day-to-day reality, the crazy political views don't count, even if they incite violence) Loughner is insane, the Norwegian guy clearly is not, and neither was McVeigh.

[iamthebandfanman]

10. most humans are insane.

the abiilty to take anythings life, to me, makes a person a bit nutty.

[Diclotican]

12. Turborama

Turborama

It is his only defence, that he is raving mad.. A clasical pcycopat is what he is.. A person, who are never able of understanding others feeling, and therefore also able of doing this things.. And is able to defend it too...

lippestad is a good attoernety, even tho I doubt he can muster a defence on this level... No one can defend what Breivik was doing last freday.. It is just imposible to exuce or to defend this type of actions..

Diclotican

[JackRiddler]

15. No more so than any other Nazi.

[jakeXT]

20. How common are Zionist views among Nazis?

'Norway attack suspect had anti-Muslim, pro-Israel views'
By BEN HARTMAN
07/24/2011 18:37

1,500 page manifesto credited to Breivik, accused of killing spree, lays out worldview including extreme screed of Islamophobia, far-right Zionism.

Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian who killed nearly 100 people in a combined terror attack Friday that included car bombings in Oslo and a shooting rampage at an island summer camp, held fiercely anti-Islamic and pro-Israel views, according to a 1,500 page manifesto he uploaded before his killing spree Friday.

In the 1,500-page tome, which mentions Israel 359 times and “Jews” 324 times, Breivik lays out his worldview, which includes an extreme, bizarre and rambling screed of Islamophobia, far-right Zionism and venomous attacks on Marxism and multi-culturalism.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=230762

[Lars77]

24. He's a new kind of right winger

He combines a lot of the borderline conspiratorial anti-government and laissez-faire stuff and the anti-islam stuff of the tea party people (he wanted to start a "cultured euro-version of the tea party) with a deep hatred for the left. That's why he tried to wipe out the entire recuritment base of the labour party.

He sees everyone on the left as marxists, even the norwegian labour party which has moved to the right just like the brits and others, and thinks they are responsible for the import of muslims. He seems to think that marxism's great plan is to wipe out white European christian identity. He's also a stong follower of Israel, and he supported Serbia during the balkans genocide.


Personally i think he's definately a sociopath. He shows no emotion what so ever.

[JackRiddler]

28. Nowadays? Very, especially if they're anti-Muslim.

This Nazi happens to be very pro-Israel. Nowadays, that doesn't make him less of a Nazi.

If, after a lifetime of feeling beaten down as an oppressed white guy in Norway, he determines to show the awesome power of his will over lesser humans by drilling for years in preparation for personally murdering the maximum reachable number of defenseless children ("liberal" or "socialist" ones), all so as to promote his manifesto calling on white Europeans to exterminate the imminent threat of Islamification as facilitated by said liberals and socialists, then he's a Nazi. If he then wants to plead not guilty while looking forward to publishing Manifesto II from prison, then he's a would-be Hitler.

It is a superficiality that his worldview holds the current-day Jews in Israel to be heroic fighters for the West, rather than masterminds of the world Feminist-Socialist-Muslim conspiracy to destroy the Christian white man. Ingredients can change, but the template and the subject is the same: The white national man, besieged by Modernity and the Other, fights back through his heroic will to murder his lessers, preferably by massacre. Nazi is as Nazi does. The means is as important to their identity as the end. It must be violent, it must be cruel, for cruelty in the service of the race makes the man who commits it all the greater. The current-day Nazi can even renounce Hitler for being a Socialist and a loser. The then-Nazis used up-to-date media and spectacle to best effect, the current-day Nazi informs himself about the latest in viral marketing and puts together an info package (oh, sorry, 1500-page "book").

If much of the message he peddles seems uncomfortably close to the current Western-Euro mainstream, then that's an unfortunate comment on the state of the current mainstream.

[crim son]

17. Maybe in Norway he's insane. Here in the U.S. he's a "maverick." n/t

[saras]

18. Hopefully his attorney is ultimately the only person who thinks so.

I think you'd have a really hard time distinguishing him from tens of thousands of right-wingers in any way except the actual crime. But if his attorney is any good at all, he will be acting crazier and crazier from now until the trial.

[JackRiddler]

29. I strongly agree - "insanity" is a cop out for not dealing with his right-wing politics.

It seems to me the greatest danger politically out of this will be if the Nazi's fulfillment of a typically Nazi wet dream (of the kind that Beck was also prompted to daydream about on the radio the other day) is instead portrayed as an apolitical act, as the symptom of mental illness.

This was not a mere psychotic outbreak or the result of some generic "extremism." The targeting was unmistakable: Kill the open society, kill liberals, kill the weak and defenseless, kill the tolerant and idealistic, kill the Other, kill Modernity. Shock and awe the world with your will to personally commit violence up-close on children in the name of your openly declared higher purpose. What a man! This was a Nazi at work.

[jakeXT]

19. If he's insane, than why should we believe the "I did it alone" meme ?

I guess those eyewitnesses, seeing a second shooter with dark hair and not in police uniform, are more likely to be sane.

[freedomnorth]

21. Finnish Prison Doctor claims: Breivik probably not insane

Lasse Kerkelä
Helsingin Sanomat (finnish main dailypaper)
Rough translation

Suspect is probably not mentally ill, thinks Hannu Lauerma
"He probably understood fully, what he was doing. Mental patient would have experienced something else than what he in reality does. Headdoctor in resbonsible for Psychiatric Prisonhospital. Professor Lauerma claims.
"He hs been active in youth organizations and local politics, he had gun permission by police. He had profession and company.
He fulfilled his terroristic actions in precision and skill. All this is evidence contrary to mental sickness."

If Doctor Lauermaa is correct, Anders Behring Breivik, 32, will be committed to prison and not as forced patient in mental hospital. Naturally he would be freed from prison in time, if he lives so long.

In Norway longest prison sentence is 21 years. Forced treatment could go on rest of life, if patient is claimed dangerous.

Doctor Lauerma believes court will order mental tests for Breivik.
"Only after testing we can be sure if he is guilty mentally. Law psychiatry in Norway has high quality."

(snip)

http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ylil%C3%A4%C3%A4k%C3%A4ri+Lauerma+Surmaaja+tuskin+on+mielisairas/1135268041913

[N7Shepard]

26. He's insane by mainstream standards, he is not even neurotic by tea party standards.

[LetTimmySmoke]

30. You mean the guy who killed 100 people in cold blood might have some mental issues?

You don't say.