McCain erupts: Conservatives are lying to America

[kpete]

Source: Washington Post

McCain erupts: Conservatives are lying to America
By Greg Sargent

So the debt limit debate has come to this: John McCain, who you may recall was the GOP’s 2008 standard bearer, is now openly accusing conservatives of actively misleading America with their completely unrealistic demands, which he labeled “deceiving” and “bizarro.”

In a seminal moment in this debate, here’s some video of McCain on the Senate floor today, unleashing an angry tirade at conservatives who are still holding out for a balanced budget amendment as part of any compromise on the debt ceiling. McCain accused them of “deceiving” America into believing such a thing can pass the Senate:

To such conservatives, McCain offered a simple answer: You’re in fantasy-land, and you’re doing your constituents a disservice by perpetuating the falsehood that such a thing can ever happen.

“What is really amazing about this is that some members are believing that we can pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution in this body with its present representation — and that is foolish,” McCain said angrily. “That is worse than foolish. That is deceiving many of our constituents.” McCain went on to rip the idea as “bizarro.”



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[Hell Hath No Fury]

1. Wow -

The old John McCain makes an appearance! How refreshing...

[roguevalley]

22. those who get it know who will bear the blame. he doesn't want to

be on the prow when the repuke ship hits the iceberg and takes us all down. history, if any of us are around to read it will not be kind.

[liberalmike27]

115. Wow

Exactly my thoughts, down to the word. The old McCain stands up again, loses a bit of the idiot, shakes off the dumb*ss.

[RedCloud]

121. Un-Wow, I read it is "we don't have enough Republicans to get 'er done."

this congress with its present representation,,,

[louis-t]

130. Hmm, I read it as "We don't have enough crazy Republicans

to get it done."

[Morizovich]

126. Refreshing, indeed.

Of course, I don't expect the Dems to make any actual use of it.....:(

[RaleighNCDUer]

132. Too bad he kick-started all this crap by choosing the moose-killer

as his running mate.

[FreakinDJ]

2. WOW

[titaniumsalute]

15. DJ...that was low man.

i'm obviously no McCain fan but I never made fun of his abuse and torture at Hanoi Hilton. The man suffered some serious shit over there.

[FreakinDJ]

18. deleted

[robinlynne]

73. noone made fun of his torture.or even of him....

[Marnie]

89. What has a militiary past that he chose to persue got to do

with today's budget crisis.

Other than the fact that he came out of Vietnam as a war loving Republican't.

[FormerMillie]

3. Holy cow!!!

He's kind of sounding like Reagan... which isn't good, but it's better than this tea party crap (whioh is, unfortunately, the squeaky wheel these days)

[Lucky Luciano]

61. You must keep in mind that Reagan is a modern day leftist, so not all bad. nt

[Bake]

4. He's a MAVERICK, I tell ya!

Actually, this DOES sound like the old McCain ... the one I used to have some respect for.

Bake

[cstanleytech]

34. Agreed but I still cant vote for him as president now

after how willing he was to whore himself out to become president by embracing Bush and then selecting Palin as his VP pick.

[Bake]

39. True, true, of course!

:hi:

Bake

[Poll_Blind]

5. Jesus Christ, McCain just made sense. Good god, things must be worse than I thought.

I need to start keeping a Valium in the house for situations like this.

PB

[ixion]

10. exactly... when Gramps McCain starts making sense

You need to look outside to make sure that hell has indeed frozen over. :wow:

[1monster]

95. Hmmm. That might explain the heat wave that recenlty has affected a huge amount

of the northern hemisphere. The heat is escaping hell... :wow:

[KoKo]

13. Yeah..."Cry Me a River" ...McCain and your toady Brother Lieberman..

Dennis Kucinich (voice for truth in the House) is VILLIFIED...but those two Senator Turn Coats are praised whenever they "appear to break..and become ...the maverick." :puke:

[Poll_Blind]

19. I'm not sure if that was as pointedly directed as me as I think but if it was...

...I'd direct you to look at my posts concerning both Dennis Kucinich and Joe Lieberman.

I think you're thinking of the wrong person if you think I consider Lieberman my brother and vilify Kucinich.

PB

[KoKo]

23. No...this wasn't directed at either You or KPETE.... It was about the Spin...

that we have to deal with that whenever some RW Conservative (and McCain showed his colors in the 2008 Election) opens their mouth we have to all fall down in AWE on the Left. While the few on the Left who speak up are villified here on DU.

Not You or KPETE for posting ...but so we don't forget that John McCain "coming out with some kind of stuff" doesn't negate his true character.

Peace! Definitely not at you or OP.

[Poll_Blind]

27. Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I was thinking McCain could be doing this in hopes of....

...positioning himself as the "reasonable" one the the Presidential pack for 2012.

PB

[MrModerate]

31. That's a scary notion. McCain 2.0 in 2012. The mind boggles. n/t

[KoKo]

35. His ego is such that if his health permits he will see himself as the

positioning himself as the SANE ONE. Those Bloviating Ego's always think they have another chance at the BRASS RING. Maybe the Right would go for McCain, again. Hey...it's so crazy out there with the Repugs...ANYTHING is Possible... :eyes:

[TxVietVet]

62. The reich wing of the conservanazi party will demonize McCain, . .

McCain was demonized for not being a true believer conservanazi during the '08 election. They won't embrace him now. He's showing some sanity. Maybe he's actually trying to save his party, which has been taken over by terrorists, holding America hostage.
Good luck with that deal, Senator. I'm sure the teabaggin' kkkluckers will love you in the morning. Surely, they will. He's trying to save them from their insanity.

[defendandprotect]

75. GOP was finished in '08 ....

it was resurrected from the ashes by Obama --

Evidently, we're to believe that Obama had no clue what to do with an immense

mandate -- unlike Bush who turned his appointment by Supremes into a dictatorship --

and constantly found it necessary to have the lone Liebermann and now the Repug minority

lead him around by the nose!

Picture W Bush with the PREZIDENCY AND THE SENATE allowing Pelosi to dictate to him on

the debt ceiling -- !!

What amazing farce -- !!



:nuke:

[Hawkowl]

120. +1000

Obama is the savior of the Republican party. It makes me violently ill :puke:

[proReality]

63. Yes, especially if he does run and

picks Bachman as his running mate this time.

Oh, gods! Now I'll have nightmares just thinking of the possibility of having to listen to the weirdness again.

[VWolf]

94. Think Tina Fey could do Bachmann too? n/t

[connecticut yankee]

96. You betcha!

[GOTV]

99. I think kristen wiig already does a pretty good bachmann

[timtom]

33. My sentiments exactly

(also not directed at Poll Blind or kpete).

[cui bono]

113. Exactly! Cuz Dennis dares criticize the holy one. The one who supposedly "got this".

Even though Kucinich is one of the only ones standing up for the people and telling the TRUTH. But how DARE he criticize the all-knowing chess master.

Blind and mindless party politics.

:puke:

[AlbertCat]

20. McCain just made sense.

Yes, but in the most clueless of ways.

He's concerned about the fact it can't pass NOW.... not in a Dem run Senate. THAT'S what the GOP is lying about? Whether something can pass the Senate or not?

How about the "we're poor and must only cut cut cut" fantasy?

McCain is worried about procedure when the GOP has literally lost its freakin' mind.




Where are the jobs?

[Avalux]

42. That's exactly what I thought! For McCain to be the voice of reason is really something.

In a way I feel sorry for him. He sold his soul when he ran for prez; he might not be such a horrible man after all....at least not as horrible as the blight on the House.

[Merlot]

47. He really didn't make good sense

He only said that a balanced budget amendment would not pass in the current make up of congress. In reality, it would still have to be passed by 2/3 of the states and that would not happen,.

The idea that any country would be able to run without deficits is stupid beyond belief. Did he address that?

This whole talk of families that "pay their bill" does that mean they buy cars with cash and have no mortgage? No, practically everyone runs "deficits" thats how the world works. Businesses take out loans to expand, or they would not survive. Those are deficits.

Sorry, this is just more mcpain grandstanding.

[Sportsguy]

56. Same Here

Holy shit!

[stockholmer]

80. lolololol, so true, now wheres that pill?

:beer:

[BridgeTheGap]

102. I guess McCain was on his meds...or maybe off them. Hell, I don't know but it was good

that he called them out.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Oh,dear. Another crack in the GOP wall

The crumbling continues.

[Liberalynn]

46. They are turning on each other like rabid rats

Still scared though as rabid rats are still extremely dangerous to the rest of us as well.:scared:

[housewolf]

7. Sounds like the pre-2007/2008 John McCain

the one I had some respect for

[TlalocW]

8. I think McCain struggles

He struggles between whether to be the bitter jackass that lost to Obama and doing the right thing. The latter won out today.

TlalocW

[KoKo]

14. You might need to "Google" McCain's Campaign Speeches to understand

what he's about...his "True Colors" (Cyndie Lauper did a song about that).

[Muskypundit]

29. Its the opposite

Campaign for president mccain is not the true mccain. Its the 'now I need those teaparty dipshits to vote for me' mccain. Its refreshing now to see that he didnt actually buy into the bullshit.

[KoKo]

36. "refreshing that McCain didn't buy into the Bullshit?" Check his voting Record since 2008 after

Obama Inauguration. What are you thinking, here? :shrug: He is a RW'er..

[Lasher]

72. Is this the same McLame who never considered himself a maverick?

The same one who created teabagger icon Palin who is helping drive this same trainwreck he bemoans?

I'll tell you which McCain this is: It's the same selfish one who betrayed his wife who stood faithfully by him all those years he was a POW. It's the same one who is even now trying to get a pass from retribution that will surely follow this rightwing clusterfuck.

[suegeo]

114. I still want an apology for Palin

I still want an apology from gramps for unleashing Palin and giving her a stage.

[BadgerKid]

9. Holy crap. Had to see it to believe it.

[SharksBreath]

11. I was wondering why he was missing from the Sunday morning shows.

Can't have that opinion going out to the American people while they are enjoying their Sunday O.J.

[KoKo]

16. He will be ON THERE in the "close future"...for sure and Gregory will Dance with him...

like he did with Karl Rove.

Here's the Clip...but Gregory part seems to have been scrubbed of his "dance"...but you can see him there in the background..(the Tall One) gearing up for his DANCE WITH ROVE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdvHwtRdg_I

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Did he address them as "My friends"?

If not, it was an impostor.

[McCamy Taylor]

21. McCain is always better when he isn't running for president.

[KoKo]

25. He's been very quiet since he lost that election for terrible judgment and his views and VP Pick..

but, like all of them he has a HUGE EGO...this was his time to BARK...and it's nothing more than that from his swelled head importance. As he showed in his campaign...he was always more Right than he ever was Centrist. We shouldn't forget that and get caught up in his "spin about himself."

[certainot]

32. he had to pick palin to get limbaugh on board in time for the convention. maybe this is payback

(she was announced minutes before the start of limbuagh's friday show, the week before the GOP convention ) .

limbaugh is head of the tea party and has been selling the idea the debt ceiling is a joke for months, and is the main guy responsible for the tea party and this default crisis.

[Solly Mack]

24. Oh my. They (GOP) are worried about their once encouraged, now feared, fellow political bedmates.

[KoKo]

26. +1

[markpkessinger]

45. Indeed. It's never wise to grab a tiger by the tail n/t

[liberal N proud]

28. Reading the title, I thought Onion

But WOW!

[LibertyLover]

100. Not quite the Onion yet, althought one of today's Onion headline

was pretty good - Emergency Team of 8th Grade Civics Teachers Dispatched to Washington

http://www.theonion.com/articles/emergency-team-of-8thgrade-civics-teachers-dispatc,21023/

[certainot]

30. it officially became the Party of Limbaugh when mccain went along w/the palin choice to make limbaug

limbaugh get on board. otherwise the GOP convention starting the next week would have been a total disaster

[Zorra]

37. Cool. nt

[alp227]

38. So who's called out conservatives the hardest? Obama or McCain?

No one should be saying "McCain should've won" at this moment...

[lunatica]

40. McCain's Sarah Palin spawned the 'Real American' Teabagger Party

Why doesn't he feel like the proud father?

[Liberalynn]

49. Because he wanted to be the star and she got the media attention.

Its all personal ego, all the time with PUKES.

[sakabatou]

41. So how soon will he be thrown under the bus if not already?

[kiranon]

54. Don't think he will be thrown under the bus. Believe he may be able

to get through to some of the tea party crazies but maybe not enough to make a difference. Welcome back to the world of the sane and hope he stays there. It may be that he just doesn't suffer fools gladly.

[florida08]

43. Sounds to me like he's whining

because the House is putting senate reps in a hard place since they can't deliver the votes. :nopity:

[stevedeshazer]

44. He finally said it.

'Bout damn time.

[valerief]

48. You reap what you sow, John. And we Americans are expected to eat it. nt

[and-justice-for-all]

50. I think I just slipped into the twilight zone....nt

[Hubert Flottz]

51. It took him a lifetime to figure that out?

Too slow to be pResident.

[Veracious]

52. TEA PARTY HOBBITS..LOLOLOLOLOLOL

OMFG I'm sure the Hobbit constituents will be offended.
LMAO!

[craigmatic]

53. The geezer has a point.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

55. OMG, A Rebublican with a conscience??? Wow!!!

:think: I used to have respect for him. Now, I remember why!!!:patriot:

[russspeakeasy]

57. He had a lapse of insanity. (according to mccain standards)

I wonder how this will set with the cow he dragged accross the country....:dunce:

[dissidentboomer]

58. Yea John! Old school Republican! THAT, you tea bag scum, is a patriot.

[callous taoboy]

59. G-go gramps! n/t

[MarianJack]

60. Don't be surprised if...

...the long brewing acrimony between mcsame and Palin(comparison) goes public very soon.

PEACE!

[Zambero]

64. He 's jumped off the nut wagon

During the course of his political career, McCain has gone from a being a conservative to a "Maverick", then he summarily un-Mavericked himself to join his party's rightward march. It looks as if he's taking measured steps to avert a legacy in which he would be remembered as marching off the cliff with a bunch of delusional kneejerk idiots (aka Tea Party). It's bad enough that he gave the world Sarah Palin. Now he's salvaging what he can even if it means uttering the truth on occasion.

[buckrogers1965]

65. I voted for McCain in 2000

In the primary, before he became Stepford McCain in 2008. You know, back when he had a pair.

Too little, too late there McCain.

[K8-EEE]

66. This illustrates how serious the situation is

Because McPain has been pandering to these assholes for years -- hell he picked Palin, and she's rah-rah-ing the baggers right now, THAT'S AWKWARD.

[defendandprotect]

67. "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran" .... has a conscience .... ?????

Or has he just figured out the fascism behind that huge pile of money the GOP

has been taking from corporate/fascists?

[stevedeshazer]

68. This marks the first time I have ever recommended a McCain thread.

But the man is right for once, and I'm glad he said it.

Thanks, kpete.

[hulka38]

69. But he's not arguing that it's a bad idea

just that it cannot pass at this time.

[BREMPRO]

70. bizzaro bizarro bizarro !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvW-ZGNjBYc :tea party mascot :)


bizzaro congress in session : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ROXLtorwY

[certainot]

71. limbaugh/hannity will straighten him out tomorrow

[grahamhgreen]

74. Kabuki Theatre = Bizarre Theater

"Since the word kabuki is believed to derive from the verb kabuku, meaning "to lean" or "to be out of the ordinary", kabuki can be interpreted as "avant-garde" or "bizarre" theatre.<1> The expression kabukimono (歌舞伎者) referred originally to those who were bizarrely dressed and swaggered on a street." - WIKI

[SpartanDem]

76. The Maverick is back?

I guess after fending off that tea party primary he figured that it's safe to move back into maverick terriorty.

[Zorro]

77. He will apologize for his remarks

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

78. "Your thoughts betray you, Senator. I feel the good in you, the conflict."

[defendandprotect]

79. Wondering if phone calls the last few days had any effect on McCain?

I tried to get thru to Congress yesterday and couldn't --

I tried a few times today and couldn't --

Are we to believe that only Koch Bros T-baggers were calling?

[Major Hogwash]

90. No, it was the jittery stock market. McCain's wife is loaded. Beaucoup piasters.

She was Miss Money Bags that bought John's Senate seat in the first place.

[Wednesdays]

131. But, McCain is hardly the only Republican senator whose wife is "loaded"

(And I don't mean "intoxicated," although that may apply, too.) :)

Obviously, if Cindy McCain is taking a hit with the markets, then so are a whole lotta other Goopers...but most of them aren't coming out on the Senate floor with the rhetoric McCain is now spewing.

[defendandprotect]

134. I have no idea what the "market" is doing -- and my opinion was most citizens are out of it --

due to the constant rip offs of the market --

Granted some have the IRA's still in -- but limited ways, I think.

Would imagine large fortunes are in more tangible items -- like

real estate and gold, etal --- Treasury notes -- securities --

oil is certainly going up -- MIC -- ?

but what do I know ?



I'd also guess that McCain not only has to spew the GOP garbage --

he also has to believe the MIC BS that he was sold and evidently almost

gave his life for -- both values/principles that conflict with any belief

in Constitutional rights -- "equality for all" - "democracy."

His party is engaged in treason -- and Obama is caving to them rather than calling them out!

[defendandprotect]

133. Wouldn't she have her money in Treasury notes -- ?

[saras]

81. McCain, like a fair number of old-fashioned conservatives, has values. They just aren't ours.

He wants a functioning oligarchy. He wants a functioning economy he and his kind can rake the cream off of. He doesn't particularly get off on the suffering of the poor, except that it helps keep them under control. He doesn't get off on destruction, unless it is profitable. He's a parasite that sees the value of not killing his host. Sane but selfish Republicans are as trapped by the two-party system as progressive Democrats are. I mean, suppose McCain actually learned something from the last decade. And suppose he recognizes he isn't the best Republican candidate. Who should he support? Who is both saner than him and more viable a candidate?

The Tea Party, on the other hand, is more like a political Ebola virus. Kill the host, and spread from its exploding remains.

[LiberalLovinLug]

125. That is scarey stuff!

The way you wrote it, I feel like I'm in a horror movie.

even more frightening is that you are 100% correct.

[No Elephants]

82. Sit down and shut up, hypocrite. In your last two runs for office, you bent over backwards to make

yourself seem like one of them, changing every position you've ever had, such as they were, for the worse.

NOW, you want to disassciate yourself, with your next bid for office years into the future?

No really, just sit down and shut up.

[Enthusiast]

83. Party elders have got to call out these

Tea Party nincompoops before they destroy the nation.

[itsnotaboutu]

84. Senator McCain

Wow, just Wow, he actually is speaking like a United States Senator, who actually cares about the country instead of an agenda.
I'm impressed, maybe he'll get their attention and call up the conscience of some of the other members, who seem to be riding this merry-go-round, of "people are gonna get hurt" and we don't care mentality.
Got to give him credit for not being a Herd follower, he's got his "Maverick" hat on.

[sce56]

85. The old adage seems to fit here "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" !

[caseymoz]

86. Sounds like John McCain wants his soul back.

Give it up, John. George W. Bush done reformed our bankruptcy laws.

[Politicalboi]

87. He's so

Maverickie. LOL!

[Firebrand Gary]

88. I'm no GOP fan but I love any person who has the courage to stand up to their friends.

The Republican Party knows that they are dead wrong on this issue, but like all things they play to the ignorance of their own members.

[goforit]

91. Watch it McCain, Glen Beck/Sarah Palin will eat you alive.

[spicegal]

92. It's really too bad McCain didn't find his conscious long

before now. The Republicans/conservatives are lying to the American people. Even Ronald Reagan, and certainly our Founders, are rolling in their graves as these dolts try to destroy the economy, and that's after allowing George Bush to destroy it.

[penndragon69]

93. He's not running for president

So he no longer has to kiss the ASS of the tea baggers
or the radicle religious Reich.

Just open his mouth and spew....because this is probably
his last term in office before they throw him out.

[ladyfutura]

97. It's Not Unexpected

That McCain makes more sense than the Tea-Party inspired bunch of Republicans in congress now.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

98. If anyone doubted, or questioned, how bad things are, this should clear it up.

McCain is speaking out about how FUBAR the state of our politics are. We are well and truly screwed. :(

[Blasphemer]

101. Wow... it is all out war in the GOP.

Isn't it about time for the GOP establishment to kill the Tea Party once and for all? It was all well and good to use them to help get back into power but now they are making demands. And Wall Street ain't happy right about now.

[leeroysphitz]

103. 1996 called...

They want their McCain back.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

104. Pretty damned amazing. He's saying what Democrats are afraid to say.

I have to say I'm amazed.

[leeroysphitz]

118. Right! And Obama is pushing for cuts that the pukes could never have gotten otherwise.

Bizarro world indeed...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

119. Yes, and that's scaring me when McCain is more left wing than Obama.

It's really, really scaring me.

[hatrack]

105. Nice thought, John, but "day late, dollar short" doesn't even begin to describe this . . . statement

nt

[Ozymanithrax]

106. McCain didn't say a balanced budget amendment was bad..just that it could not pass in this Senate.

He said, "“What is really amazing about this is that some members are believing that we can pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution in this body with its present representation — and that is foolish,”"

All he said is that with Democrats in control Republican plan to cut, crap, and wipe the economy is bizzaro.

[klook]

108. Precisely. His lament is that they can't succeed in screwing us further. (n/t)

[eagertolearn]

107. These constituents are easy to deceie unfortunately and they don't even "get it".

[Courtesy Flush]

109. Damn! Video is blocked here at work

I live in a red state, and my facebook friends think I'm an annoyance (and just plain wrong) with my opinions. Maybe if they hear it from one of their own!

[Courtesy Flush]

110. How can congress pass the balanced budget amendment?

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that a proposed amentment to the Constitution? I thought it could only pass if ratifed by the states, not the congress. No?

[Historic NY]

112. yes......

and we still have some that never were ratified. The house also voted & passed one in 1995 that went no where.



http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

[Blue Owl]

111. Time for Gramps to get Grumpy -- let 'er rip

n/t

[tavalon]

116. McCain, pre Palin, was actually a reasonable guy for a Republican

He's going home to his roots I guess. I don't think he'll be invited to the nightly cocktail hour with Boner and his puppy, Cantor, anytime soon.

[jwirr]

117. That is the old McCain that I remember before he ran for president. nt

[matt819]

122. And we have McCain to thank

Sure, Bush & Co. were appalling, but McCain empowered the ultra RW with his nomination of palin.

I just can't wait to read the history books on this one.

[thelordofhell]

123. Gramps is pissed he's not on those Sunday shows anymore

[seabeckind]

124. Oh bullshit.

Quit trying to read something into this evil fukkers comments that isn't there.

He never said the amendment was a bad idea.

He said they couldn't pass it.

The man is a delusional, evil man. He is trying to be a rational Cheney. I wouldn't let that man near my kid.

<on edit> They might be lying to their constituents and the American people but he's talking only about "gettin er done".

Far cry from what they're really lying about.

[robertpaulsen]

127. Why is McCain erupting? He's having a deja vu moment.

It's not a crisis of conscience like he really cares about the constituents he claims conservative are doing a disservice to. He's just been around long enough to recognize that the Teabaggers are to this decade what Gingrich and his Contract On America were to the 90's. This is their overreach moment and just as the government shutdown of 1995 solidified Clinton's re-election, McCain sees history repeating itself in that an economic default in the wake of Teabagger intransigence will assure an Obama re-election. It's not that he cares about hurting the country as much as he cares about his team losing. I think his motive really is that simple and I'm not impressed with his tirade as much as I'm sadly amused.

[colsohlibgal]

128. Tell It John!

It's amazing how truth sometimes come out for a repub not running for anything.

[Brundle_Fly]

129. MaCain takes his marching orders...

from the Chamber of Commerce, he is protecting THEIR interests, not ours.