(Secret Service) Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped

[NNN0LHI]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=716&e=5&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mcveigh_video

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.


"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.


The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.


Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

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[Caution]

1. In the words of John Stewart: "You're %$&*# kidding me right?"

Tell me you're %$&*# kidding me!

[el_gato]

2. a couple of quick comments about this event

For one the local news reports immediately after this event
shows that the ATF showed up right afterward and there were talks
of bombs in the building.

Shortly after, they were told to shut up and no further discussion
about it was allowed.

Secondly, would this be the perfect arguement against capital punishment? The can never question McVeigh again even if tbey wanted to. Executing McVeigh was very stupid move from the standpoint of
ever investigation this case further.

[yardwork]

3. but a clever move if the desire was to shut McVeigh up forever.

McVeigh hastened his own execution by waiving all appeals. Was that because he chose to be a martyr, or did the government offer him a deal he couldn't refuse, like protection for his family or close friends, if he took the fall?

I don't know. Maybe all these stories are myths, but it will always be a source of mystery, since McVeigh was executed so quickly.

[librechik]

19. yeah

very convenient in many ways and in my mind one of the major Bush atrocities on the long long list.

[goforit]

23. Yep....librechik.........couldn't agree with ya more.

Ashcroft burried this evidence pretty darn good.

[sendero]

8. sorry....

... I'm not sold. If McVeigh had anything he was going to say, he had plenty of time to say it.

[NNN0LHI]

12. He tried to talk and was turned down

http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/oklahoma/documents/timmedia.html

The attorneys for Timothy McVeigh filed this petition with the Court to allow McVeigh greater access to the media -- "reasonable access to members of the local, Oklahoma, national, and European media as specified herein, including the opportunity to participate in one videotaped interview with either Barbara Walters, Diane Sawyer, Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Susan Candiotti or Jack Bowen, and a videotaped interview with the BBC-TV.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO

Criminal Action No. 96-CR-68-M

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

Plaintiff,

v.

TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH and
TERRY LYNN NICHOLS,

Defendants.

DEFENDANT TIMOTHY McVEIGH'S MOTION
FOR MEDIA ACCESS AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT

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[liberalhistorian]

16. That's still bunk.

He gave plenty of interviews and had plenty of chances to spill the beans and say whatever he wanted to say. There were many people through whom he could have communicated, including (perhaps, especially) his lawyers, there were articles/books he could have written, etc. He had more than enough time and chances.

I believe there was more than one person involved, but I think they were all members of his white power militia group and THAT was the main reason he kept quiet, to protect them.

And I think one of the reasons the government wanted things kept quiet, IF IT WANTED things kept quiet (and we still don't know if that was the case), was because the thought of homegrown terrorists, fellow Americans right in our backyards, next door, etc., who were capable of doing things like that against their own countrymen, would be far too much for most people to deal with. It still is, actually.

[Occulus]

15. he would have had more time to say it if

he had spent the rest of his life behind bars, rather than being executed.

I'll always know it was a stupid decision, executing him. It would have been a lot better for us all to have made him talk.

[liberalhistorian]

17. HE CHOSE TO BE EXECUTED!!!!!!!!!!!

He'd still be alive now winding his way through the appeals process, which would have taken many, many more years, but HE chose to waive all appeals and HE chose to go forward with the execution.

That being said, I agree it was a stupid decision to give him the death penalty, primarily because I'm staunchly against capital punishment for ANYONE, no matter who they are or what they did. And it would have been far more punishment for him to have spent the rest of his miserable, useless, worthless life behind bars and he knew it.

[RedEarth]

10. The AFT had an office in the bldg and as I recall

the AFT mentioned they had weapons and ammo in the bldg. I live in OKC(knew several people killed in the bombing) and don't remember the AFT ever saying there were bombs in the bldg. I might be mistaken regarding the bombs, however, immediately after the bombing the local news was reporting all types of incorrect information due to all the confusion.

[TolstoyAndy]

14. Witnesses reported multiple explosions

and there may have been as many as 12 cameras in position to catch the blasts (local rooftops, etc).

The cameras were confiscated, the feds were talking about bombs inside, and the blast signature was from the inside out.

Small details, said the ostrich.

[frylock]

21. spot on with the blast sigs per general partin's report..

they cleaned up the area and sold the scrap metal right quick as well, preventing any real investigation. Kinda like they did with the WTC. In fact, the same demo company was involved with both cleanups. hmmmmmmmmm..

[PaDUer]

35. Deja vu n/t

[markses]

34. You're referring to the ATF, of course?

And not the "AFT"?

[lightbulb]

31. There was more that a little talk of more bombs

Listen to the live news reports:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/cnn041995.mp3

And if you've got the time, give this a read:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

[girl gone mad]

4. You have to wonder why the tape would be covered up..

and never used at trial. That leads to conspiracy theories. Were they afraid that the idea of a woman being in on the bombing would be too upsetting to people and lead to further distrust of the far right? Were they just unable to find the oher two co-conspirators described in the log? Did the digital enhancement show that the driver couldn't have been McVeigh?

[NNN0LHI]

5. McVeigh was associated with a group called the Aryan Republican Army

And McVeigh himself was a registered Republican. Details, details.

Don

[yardwork]

25. This is where my mind goes....

As someone posted above, it would be embarrassing to Bushco if McVeigh turned out to be part of a well-organized largish group that had close ties to Republicans.

It would be even more embarrassing if McVeigh turned out to have ties to middle eastern terrorists.

It would be extremely damaging if McVeigh turned out to have ties to middle eastern terrorists that weren't explored after Oklahoma City and so those same terrorists ended up causing thousands of deaths on 9/11.....

Lots of reasons for a cover-up, if these things are true....

[PaDUer]

36. I think I remember seeing...

that aryan group using one of their sites, egroups/yahoo, message boards..From what I know about it, they sent an invitation to one of my friends who's runs her own D group via yahoo...Apparently, they were able to access people's email addy's and send them emails to join them! My friend near shit her pants when she received it, and sent it to me to read..Must be a way they recruit members!

[el_gato]

6. look at the legislation that was passed immediately afterwards

[cosmicdot]

7. wonder what Chandra Levy knew?

just wondering

[On the Road]

20. Oh, That's Right!

She was an intern with the corrections system, right? And had something to do with the McVeigh case?

[PaDUer]

30. She knew plenty...

you know what they do w/ people who "learn" something that they're not supposed to know, or tell something "out of school"..and we know how they "cover" whatever w/ something else as a diversion!!!

[KoKo]

9. Doesn't the release of this sound like "Blame the Clenis? Why now?

It's hard to understand why a video would have been covered up for so long and how do we know it's even real, given that this all came under Clinton's watch.

And, wasn't there some link to Nichols with terrorists in the Phillipines (i.e. al Quaeda) recently posted here on DU. The story sounds very strange. I remember at the time they were looking for another accompliss. Wasn't it a short dark skinned man that the FBI had photos out about. But, later it was said that he didn't exist.

Strange.. . :shrug:

[notadmblnd]

13. it was alluded to somewhere I was reading

that Jose Padilla, the "shoe bomber" may have been the John Doe accomplice.:tinfoilhat:

[frylock]

22. the shoe bomber was richard reid..

Jose Padilla was the guy they arrested in Chicago for allegedly thinking about maybe conspiring to look up dirty bombs on the internet. He's still in Gitmo.

[notadmblnd]

24. Thanks for the correction

I know I saw one of their faces, somewhere, compared to a composit drawing of the John doe

[frylock]

27. yep.. that guy in the composite did resemble padilla

[UpInArms]

29. here's that comparison

[notadmblnd]

26. Right name, wrong occupation

Padilla incurred violations like clockwork from the moment he emerged from prison until his license was suspended in 1997 (with the exception of a six-month quiet period around the time of the Oklahoma City bombing; perhaps coincidentally, Padilla bears a striking resemblance to police sketches of "John Doe 2", an alleged Hispanic accomplice of Timothy McVeigh sought in the immediate aftermath of the bombing, who the FBI subsequently claimed never existed).


http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/jose-padilla/

[0007]

37. Jose Padilla was not the shoe bomber

He was the gang member from Chiago that allegely made contact with al Queda.

The Shoe bomber was Richard Reid.

[UpInArms]

28. here are some of the sketches

[0007]

38. Doesn't look like Jose Padille to me

[Mistress Quickly]

33. Nichols (on trial now)

was in the Phillipines the same time as Ramzi Yousef (wtc 1993) on the same college campus.

And McVeigh sure didn't talk like an Aryan (cleanse the world of everyone but the white race):

http://www.4reference.net/encyclopedias/wikipedia/Timothy_McVeigh.html
McVeigh said he began harboring anti-government feelings during the Gulf War, when he felt guilt over the people he had killed.

http://www.geocities.com/gorevidal3000/tim.htm
Bombing the Murrah Federal Building was morally and strategically equivalent to the U.S. hitting a government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations.
(note, those are his words, and note the mention of Serbia when you look at the following)

And last but not least, Saudi Arabia was recruiting US soldiers after the Gulf War:
http://www.intelwire.com/hamptonel010604.html
Al Qaeda Recruited U.S. Servicemen: Testimony Links Plot To Saudi Gov't

Saudi Program Converted Thousands of U.S. Servicemen To Islam; After Gulf War, Soldiers Targeted As Bosnian Volunteers After Leaving Military
________________________________________________________________

Does it all lead back to SA again?


:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[zwielicht]

11. i wonder when we will see the tapes of the pentagon attack on 911 (nt)

[liberalhistorian]

18. Maybe when Bushco

are finally all on trial for war crimes!

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

32. ....or Boarding Gate video..

which most airports keep for 48 hours?

i would like to see all 19 getting on to those planes. the only supposed security gate video released of mohammed atta was from portland maine airport too fyi.