Boxer: I hope greens sue Obama

[kpete]

Source: Politico

Senate Environment and Public Works Chairwoman Barbara Boxer said she hopes green groups sue President Barack Obama over his decision to punt a regulation curbing smog-creating emissions until at least 2013.

Boxer — whose relatively mild reaction to Obama’s surprise announcement Friday was in contrast to heated rebukes by environmental groups — said she will stand by those groups in any litigation to force the administration to issue a final ozone rule that goes beyond what was enacted by President George W. Bush.

Environmental groups charged that Obama made a political calculus by punting on a rule that was a particular target of critics who charge his regulatory agenda has hurt the economy and jobs.

Boxer didn’t quite go there. “I’m not making any charge. I’m just saying I disagree, strongly, with their decision,” she told reporters Tuesday. She added, “And I hope they’ll be sued in court and I hope the court can stand by the Clean Air Act.”





Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62806.html#ixzz1XH0NQuJn

[xchrom]

1. interesting. nt

[Champion Jack]

2. I would put more effort into trying to stop the Keysone pipeline

imho

[iamthebandfanman]

6. There was already a lawsuit in the works

when obama was sworn in ... they decided not to persue it because of that fact...

[INdemo]

25. The protests and the show of support against this pipeline

may have caused Obama to reconsider because he was leaning toward approving it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/26/obama-approves-pipeline-alberta-texas

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/u-s-energy-secretary-suggests-keystone-xl-pipeline-likely-to-be-approved/

[gateley]

45. HAS he reconsidered? What makes you think that? Thanks -

I sure hope you're right!!

[proud patriot]

3. I love my Senator

:-)

[YvonneCa]

7. Me, too...

... :)

[Hell Hath No Fury]

8. Me, three...

:) :hi:

[avaistheone1]

9. Me four!

:fistbump:

[tblue]

26. Me five!

[Jack Rabbit]

36. . . . six . . .

[WillyT]

41. Seven !!! - K & R !!!

:bounce:

:kick:

[YvonneCa]

67. WOW...

...that's a lot of love! :7

[mike_c]

12. well, THIS one....

The other one I could do without.

[LeftyMom]

35. Amen. nt

[kestrel91316]

38. Exactly.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. I love her too...

Not only is she bright and beautiful, she's a patriot.

[Ignis]

22. +1

I've never regretted a vote for Sen. Boxer.

Not sure I can say the same for our other senator. :(

[abelenkpe]

44. Eight!

:)

[SusanaMontana41]

61. Can a non-Californian claim her, too? nt

[No Elephants]

70. My Senator passed away.(Kennedy). I am thinking of moving to California.

Not because of Boxer, but I am not sure I could live in a red state.

Don't know. Never tried.

[SusanaMontana41]

78. I prefer the deep purple of Montana, myself.

And I loved Teddy, too.

[abelenkpe]

76. Sure!

Sometimes I wish we could replace out other senator with Bernie Sanders. ;)

[SusanaMontana41]

77. Clone Bernie, will ya? We have two

senators here who must be replaced.

[Enthusiast]

53. I do too and she ain't even mine....nt

[catzies]

68. Me eight!...no, Nine!

:patriot: Senator Boxer! :loveya:

[Fuddnik]

4. She never really loved him, anyway!

[JJW]

5. I was wondering how Presidents can treat the ...

Clean Air Act like used toilet paper. She might want to call for impeachment, given how 12,000 people could be killed each year and many more made disabled, unemployable, and bankrupted by medical bills.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

10. MY C.O.P.D. JUST LOVES THIS CRAP

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[Tx4obama]

39. She can't call for impeachment because Obama is following the law.

A copy of the LETTER that Sunstein sent to the EPA at the request of President Obama

http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/2011/09/02/file_attachments/56091/Letter.pdf

The letter on the above link explains WHY President Obama had the rule sent back to the EPA for reconsideration.

[No Elephants]

71. SUNSTEIIN? LOL! He's the Democratic version of Yoo and Bybee.

Every time Obama has filled a slot on the SCOTUS, his name has come up and I've held my breath.

[No Elephants]

11. Teabagger!

[JDPriestly]

13. Thank you Barbara Boxer.

[AsahinaKimi]

31. I really respect Barbara Boxer

She has even replied to my emails which is more than I can say for other politicians.

[Vattel]

14. Boxer represents the kind of silliness on the left

that one finds among the teabaggers on the right. Obama is merely trying to balance the need for jobs with environmental needs. Besides, why should new standards be issued now, when a new review will begin in 2013? To freak out about this is yet another instance of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

SARCASM!!!!!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Yep. Clean air is soooo overrated!

[tblue]

27. Works for me! I'm buying stock in oxygen tanks!

O totally buys into the Repub meme: "Green destroys jobs." Horsepatty! He's putting politics above people. Sorry but it's true.

[Javaman]

30. Honestly, it's invisible! Who knows if air is really there???

Until I can taste it and feel it in my mouth, "clean air" is just completely made up!

:rofl:

[CreekDog]

21. You're saying the Clean Air Act is optional, dependent upon whatever you think about jobs, etc.

right?

and you call us silly.

[Vattel]

28. I was being sarcastic.

And I should have added, again sarcastically: Presidents have often ignored what the Clean Air Act requires; so Obama is just following precedent there.

[CreekDog]

34. ah

:hi:

[Shining Jack]

42. Lol, I saw that you wrote "SARCASM!!!!!!! " but...

The :sarcasm: thingy is more efficient to attract attention. Must be the dripping blood. :)

[Vattel]

49. ya but that sarcasm thingy is like marijuana

it's a stepping stone to much worse things like little yellow guys rolling in the dirt laughing.

[a2liberal]

47. The scary thing is

Not knowing you, I wouldn't have known without your disclaimer at the end that you weren't being serious, because a lot of defenders WOULD say something exactly like that and mean it. I don't recall the name now, but there's a "law" that any good parody of extremism is indistinguishable from the real thing.

[Vattel]

50. The law must be a valid one. See post 40 below.

[Supersedeas]

51. that sounds familiar

[No Elephants]

69. I remember when the RW invented Bush Derangement Syndrome. It was a lie.

[krabigirl]

15. Good for her!

[madrchsod]

16. Barbara has to bail him out ...

obama has a lot to learn about politics

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. I hope so too!

:bounce:

[Uncle Joe]

20. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[rosesaylavee]

23. I hope they do too.

[truedelphi]

24. Maybe Barbara will go the way that one other great US Senator has

Gone: Independent.

I am sure that Bernie Sanders will be willing to hare the BIG I.

[bertman]

29. Just got my weekly briefing from the NAHB (Nat'l Home Builders Assn) who are

CROWING about their victory over this "jobs-killing" clean air regulation.

Even though I'm a contractor I have found that the EPA's regulations are a better, more effective method of cleaning up our nation's air, water, and soil than the free-market 'solutions' offered by developers and builders. Go figure.

REC.

[William769]

32. K&R.

[TBF]

33. She just wants a pony.

:sarcasm:

[emilyg]

37. Is there room under the bus?

[Tx4obama]

40. If a rule change were to be made now it wouldn't be implemented by the time the rules change in 2013

A copy of the LETTER that Sunstein sent to the EPA at the request of President Obama

http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/2011/09/02/file_attachments/56091/Letter.pdf

The letter on the above link explains WHY President Obama had the rule sent back to the EPA for reconsideration.


p.s. The normal scheduled review stipulated in The Clean Air Act will be in 2013 (every 5 years) - that is when changes will be made and put into effect.

[karynnj]

43. Some of the arguments are very convoluted and unconvincing

If rules put out now are not implemented until 2013, then when would the rules from the next cycle where the review starts in 2013 be implemented?

For of all there are two possibilities, Obama is re-elected or he loses. If he loses, the likelihood of better regulations is very low. So, assume Obama wins. In the best case, the results come in and the review is done as quickly as possible and the rules come out at the end of 2013 - note that the Obama administration has taken about 3 years to do this - but using the time from the first paragraph - they will not be implemented until 2015.

Bush apparently skipped the first review in his tenure (2003) and the 2008 recommendations were challenged by Obama and others as too weak. Apparently the rules in effect are from the 1990s - and they are weaker than the too weak 2008 recommendations.

What this means is that the regulations that the act expects could be updated every 5 years will go at least 15 years since the last change.

In addition, when the act says to use the most current data - that is what they did. There will always be new studies starting.

[Vattel]

54. Wow, that letter is way dumber than I expected.

[DeSwiss]

46. One must truly SUCK......

...when a member of one's own party hopes they get sued into doing the right thing.

- If that doesn't show everyone how fucked up things REALLY are, nothing will........

K&R

[Lorien]

48. +1 nt

[trud]

52. I think the lawsuit(s) have been reactivated

If I remember correctly an email I got a few days ago from the Center for Biological Diversity. I may not.

[sasha031]

55. when you have lost Senator Boxer

it speaks volumes for your environmental polices.
Good for her for speaking up.:loveya:

[Marnie]

56. Since this will increase the problems of asthmatic children

Boxer should call Sarah Palin, who we all know is intensly interested in the care of youngsters with disabilities.

(Anybody notice that one of the few "entitlements" Sarah has not gone after is the Americans With Disabilities Act.
Anybody want to bet she is not taking advantage of all the freebies and financial aids that the ADA makes available to the disabled and families of disabled. That's on top of the free government paid health care Trig gets from being Todd's son.)

[and-justice-for-all]

57. It is unacceptable to punt that reg...nt

[unionworks]

58. hmmmm....

The Greens. Aren't they the ones who took money from the repigs and gave the election to Bush in Florida? No thanks.

[former9thward]

62. I guess you will have to put Al Gore on your no thanks list also.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20102993-503544.html

[goforit]

59. Better yet impeach him

[PatrynXX]

60. Ironic though

It'll cost more to punt it. More people get sick from smog so how's everyone's lung's. Ends up costing us more. what good is a job if your too sick to work.

[EndElectoral]

63. Boxer could challenge Obama in a primary, but alas she won't

[patrice]

64. 2013 is the next science & policy review estabslished by the Clean Air Act.nt

[patrice]

65. Actually 2013 is the deadline for the completion of the scheduled review which begins in 2012. Link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ayPvZ95mGo

[Zorra]

66. Yeh, that would be awesome, he deserves a serious rebuke for this. nt

[democrat2thecore]

72. Boxer is right. Obama punt = campaign cash. I was fooled in '08 and I'm VERY disappointed ...

Edit to add: that this is not the first or second or third or fourth or 35th disappointment. The hits just keep on comin'.
Flip-Flop has a new picture in the dictionary and it's all so very, very sad. I worked hard in '08 in Iowa, I gave big bucks...I was fooled. If I had a primary option - I'd work hard again for them. Obama has shown me that he is NOT to be trusted.

I still haven't ruled out the possibility that Obama, at this late date, will pull an LBJ and halt his campaign. I fear he will drag down both houses of Congress to huge, landslide defeats. If it gets much worse - it's the only honorable thing to do.

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[scentopine]

74. Good, sue him to force rich CEOs who pay no taxes to clean up their shit -nt

[inna]

75. so do i.

while we're at it, i hope that the anti-war activists sue him as well (lol, i know, fat chance).