Anonymous Goes After the Pepper Spray Cop's Personal Info

[Yon_Yonson]

Source: The Atlantic Wire

The police officer videoed spraying what appears to be pepper spray into the eyes of peaceful protesters in New York City on Saturday has found Internet fame as online activists target him in traditional hacker fashion: By releasing all his personal and professional data online in an attack known as a dox. The last few months have seen the online activism of Anonymous moving into the real world with direct actions like the Op-BART demonstrations in San Francisco and the ongoing Occupy Wall Street protest in New York. The spread of this video blurs the line between online and real-world activism once more as the wider digital population of Anonymous targets the officer for retaliation by going after his data, his identity, and his job in a classic bit of hactivism.

Read more: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/09/anonymous-goes-after-pepper-spray-cops-personal-info/42960/

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Pay Back Time

[karnac]

1. don't pay your taxes!

if anything is remotely offensive that you disagree with the state, don't enable them

show them whats what!!!

nobody should have more unrestrained power to hurt someone than Anonymous!

he is one of the powerless us!

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. ?

[Yon_Yonson]

33. ???

I don't understand your response?

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

104. Just don't pay your credit cards

IRS could be nasty. Credit card companies just make phone calls.
These are the people we need to hit. Stopped a while back. F'em.

[AndyTiedye]

183. Better Still, Pay Them Off Every Month in Full

…so they can't tack on any finance charges.

If you accept any of their "0%" offers, do that on a credit card you do NOT use for any purchases since you would lose the "float" you get by paying in full every month. Those "0%" offers often aren't a good deal anyway, due to transaction charges.

Pay cash to small businesses, let the big boys eat plastic and the associated merchant fees (which are smaller, the bigger you are anyway).

[davidwparker]

185. +1

LOL

[raouldukelives]

133. Just stop investing in Wall St

You don't want any profits from killing and exploiting poor people to supplement your retirement anyway. Hit em where it hurts! Refuse to enable torture and death.

[valerief]

158. What taxes? Who has a job? nt

[AndyTiedye]

182. Then They Just Add Interest and Penalties and Take Everything You Own

IRS agents LOVE tax resisters because they make it easy for them to make their quota without having to do a lot of work.

The best form of tax resistance is a good accountant.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. Very interesting.

[TownDrunk2]

4. Aye it warms me heart :)

[goforit]

105. Indeed!

[MADem]

5. Why do I think this will end badly?

....carrying out a dox on a police officer is a little different. They're not supposed to work anonymously, which is why their names are on their badges. They're public employees, so you can find their station number and professional record fairly easily. But because they work where they do, they and their departments take breaches of personal data a lot more seriously. After LulzSec released personal data for police officers in Arizona, one officer took his entire family into hiding.

This is where Anonymous's data-driven activism borders on criminality. It's illegal to threaten a police officer, and the language surrounding Bologna's dox certainly sounds threatening: "Before you commit atrocities against innocent people, think twice. WE ARE WATCHING!!! Expect Us!" Bologna and the NYPD appear to be taking the breach seriously. A tweet from an Anonymous account read on Monday: "I've been informed from a source onsite at #occupywallstreet that NYPD is aware of Anthony Bologna's data released & have taken him offsite."

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. I think it's pretty obvious that they crossed the line sometime ago.

This is civil disobedience for the 21st Century. Something was going to give. I don't think that we armchair spectators really have a say on where and when it happens. I just hope nobody gets hurt, which, if you think about it, is the same thing that Anonymous seems to be concerned with.

[jberryhill]

12. Cops tend to accumulate a few enemies..

...who will find his personal information useful.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. Yeah. Like I said, I hope nobody gets hurts.

[asthmaticeog]

45. Someone already got hurt.

By the cop.

Fuck kid-gloves.

[jberryhill]

57. I hope the ability to hurt others is stronger on our side, so we win /nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

113. Exactly. What's this 'I hope nobody gets hurt' fear about? I don't really comprehend that terror

There comes a time for civil disobedience. It's the only way change has ever come about. Either that, or outright violent revolution.

Clearly, the politicians in Congress are all owned by the same system that the cops are being sent out to protect. The powers-that-be are doing so nicely that they want no changes to anything.

[Raksha]

179. Right...who the fuck CARES if some of theirs get hurt?

Enough of ours have been hurt already.

[Jester Messiah]

123. Fuckin' A.

The authorities must be held accountable. If they're going to wantonly inflict injury, then they should be injured in turn.

[lark]

155. Remember, this guy's done this before & got caught

Wonder how many times he's roughed up people for no reason and got away with it? Look's to me like he is well deserving of this treatment.

[ThomCat]

202. +1.

They need to get exactly what they keep dishing out, and they need to keep getting it until they learn to respect the public, or get new jobs.

I hope it hits them them hard, and doesn't stop.

[jberryhill]

59. I hope so too

But this is anti-abortion vendetta territory.

Others say that the information was "out there" anyway.

That's true. It has also been true on the abortion "hit lists", and it has been true of violent political rhetoric on the right. Moreover, if "really nothing non-public" has been disclosed, then what's the story here? Anonymous published nothing?

In one sense that is true. But what it does is draw particular attention that some nut or some criminal with a grudge would not have been competent or motivated to find.

And it is clear that most in this thread hope some undefined "pay back" is carried out.

Simply suing the NYPD would result in disclosure of his identity and so forth to the parties directly affected. But there is a clear gusto for something else to manifest as some sort of personal harm to this person.

[lark]

156. overly dramatic?

What's a few irate phone calls or an egged house compared to what the cop did to the non-violent protestor? I don't think people here are calling for him to be realy hurt, just called out agressively for his serial actions of unwarranted violence towards someone who did not deserve this.

[a simple pattern]

157. Not personal harm.

More like personal responsibility. The cops are public employees and are liable for their actions whether they like it or not.

[jberryhill]

160. And identifying information of family members, too

Because they are also responsible?

[ArcticFox]

181. Stop this "hope nobody gets hurt"

The people that cop represents don't care who they hurt. Why should we the people care if the power elite take a few punches? IMO, that is what it will take to get this world back on track to surviving into the future.

[Threedifferentones]

226. Little late to hope for that.

That asshole already attacked innocent people who were already fenced in!

[sulphurdunn]

163. His ex-wife?

A guy who'd hose a couple of women with pepper spray because he figured he could must have at least one ex-wife out there.

[boppers]

25. Physically attacking people while hiding behind badges should end badly.

Releasing documentation on those performing such attacks is more of a public service.

I am reminded of the cops who feel "threatened" when they know they are being videotaped.

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Problem is, cops hold themselves to a higher level of expected retribution through

the justice system.

[ThomCat]

204. Cops don't expect any retribution.

They can organize enough retaliation against anyone who even looks sideways at them to wipe out entire families, and get away with it. The amount of police brutality they get away with is more than enough warning to keep them safe. Everyone knows that if anyone messes with the cops, the cops are going to mess you up, and everyone you know.

[The Backlash Cometh]

217. Retaliation would have been a better choice of words.

I think Troy Davis is a perfect example of how far our justice department will go to appease cops.

[ThomCat]

220. Yes. When a supreme court justice can say, seriously,

that innocence is no reason not to proceed with a correctly reached death sentence, then it is officially acceptable to railroad people onto death row. The cops and the DAs and the judges just don't care whether or not someone might be innocent in some cases. Those cases always involve people who are either poor, or minorities, or cases where a cop was injured or killed and they simply want to strike out at whomever is convenient as a scapegoat.

[Fearless]

42. +1

[Sarah Ibarruri]

115. Particularly when the protesters are not attacking. nt

[Yon_Yonson]

31. Pay back time 'Figuratively speaking' of course!

All I want to see happen is this officer be charged with assault and kicked of the force!

[jberryhill]

55. Yes, in the Sharon Angle / Sarah Palin sense

Why is it not okay for them to use rhetoric suggestive of violence?

[zentrum]

58. It's criminal...

...for the police to mace peaceful demonstrators in the face.

As threats to democracy and the constitution go, the actions of the this police officer and the indifference of the other officers present are a far more dangerosu threat.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

116. And clearly, the cop that did it has 'history.' This is not the 1st time he does this type of shit

A total idiot.

[jwirr]

67. Lawrence O'Donnell said it very clearly tonight. NYCPD are already

defending the abuse. Nothing will be done. That is why they are being targeted.

[Maraya1969]

70. But I don't think that type of abuse of power will happen again during these protests.

All the attention given to it served its purpose I believe.

[HERVEPA]

114. Wow. You must own the strongest pair of rose-colored glasses in exixtence.

[No Elephants]

128. I always assume the sarcasm emote is unnecessary. Not always the case, though.

[MADem]

82. NYT says they're doing an internal assessment of their conduct.

I don't know where that will end up, though.

Here's the link discussing that, describing their thought process and some input from others as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html?_r=1

[markpkessinger]

184. NYPD Internal Affairs investigations are a damned joke

...always have been.

[Evergreen Emerald]

147. but it is not up to the NYCPD

A civil lawsuit, a criminal investigation by an outside agency, the city prosecutor, the ACLU.
There are lots of ways people who do bad things attempt to get away with them. We just need to hold them accountable.

I disagree, however, that police officer's information should be posted for any radical crazy person to find and hurt him or his family. Let's handle it appropriately.

[jwirr]

162. And that is what it will take if anything is to be done.

[adigal]

152. That is the problem - NYPD said it was "appropriate" to spray

those women, and some cops, too, with the pepper spray. If they had been smart and said they were taking it seriously and investigating, I doubt Anonymous would have released the information.

[FunMe]

98. "Expect us!" definition

couldn't that just mean that they are going to keep reporting the names of police officers who break the law?

I don't see any violent threat.

If anything, maybe I'm wrong, I see it as a message "we know who you are, and if you break any laws by violating the civil rights of Americans, we will expose you".

[Sirveri]

103. That's their tag line. We are Legion, expect us. Or something similar.

They put that on everything they send out.

[boppers]

205. "We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us"

Pretty standard tag.

[tama]

102. You know

as well as the next guy that the judicial system has broken down long time ago, it's the criminals that run the cleptocracy. This is preventive non-violent action against organized violence and oppression, public self-defence by public shaming of violent criminals in uniform works as intended, Arizona cop was revealed as the racist thug he is and Bologna will not be on the street macing innocent people no more and the next white shirt will think twice before committing police brutality.

[formercia]

6. Major Baloney has some History:

"a record of a lawsuit against him for directing widely criticized arrests of protesters during the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York."

I wonder what other organizations this Officer is affiliated with.

[gateley]

10. "I wonder what other organizations this Officer is affiliated with."

EXCELLENT! Now I'm wondering, too. OR, who's padding his pockets?

[nilram]

36. And I wonder if someone will try to find out?

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[jberryhill]

136. Perhaps "someone" will

Someone seeking social approval, and with some spare time on their hands, may be so inclined.

[Yon_Yonson]

40. There is a parallel thread on this issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2008772

[DBoon]

75. You are wondering what his FR handle is?

Maybe Anonymous will publish this

[No Elephants]

109. So, they assigned him to this demonstration, too? What does that say?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

119. Clearly, this cop is an asshole, which is why he maced innocents in the face. nt

[Myrina]

126. You mean, what CORPORATIONS is he affiliated with?

:shrug:

[formercia]

129. Secret Societies

Does Tony Baloney dress up as Puss 'n Boots with his Cape and Sword and swear allegiance to a Foreign Power?

[backscatter712]

8. PAYBACK'S A BITCH, OFFICER PEPPERSPRAY!!! n/t

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[Sub Atomic]

17. +1

If I posted what I had just typed I would not only be banned from this site, I would be arrested in the city of Denver.

You have my full support in your efforts.

[quakerboy]

24. While I do not wish that on him,

I do feel that he has majority responsibility in this chain of events. I am more concerned about his family, assuming he does have one. I hope that they will be protected.

At the same time, I feel like this is being blown out of proportion. One can find the same information by a simple chain of events, no "hacking" t'all... His badge with his last name and his face (both surely familiar to any criminal arrested by him already) tracking to the publicly available news articles about his promotion, with full name and photo. From there Whitepages.com gives you his personal address, which means he is in the phone book. Hardly difficult to find.

That's without even hitting any of the generally available online creeper websites my old boss used to look people up on, much less hacking any private data.

[jberryhill]

26. Criminals come in two groups

There are some really bright ones.

And a lot of really not so bright ones.

[starroute]

34. This is absolutely true

I do genealogy online, and I've found several long-lost cousins using just this kind of publicly available information. Much of it is available by way of free searches -- and a lot more if you're willing to pay $25 or $50 or whatever the current rate is for a complete run-down.

I looked at the Anonymous dox on the officer, and I didn't see anything that was not of that nature. As you said -- there was no hacking involved.

Questions might be raised about the ethics of putting it all in one place with an implicit invitation for people to use it for retaliation. But at least in this case, I can't see either the protesters or Anonymous actually trying to get back at the guy. It's more of a bad precedent than anything else.

[jberryhill]

54. Then what is the story here?

Ho-hum Anonymous didn't really do anything, because it was already available?

Nobody involved in publishing Dr Tiller's information published anything that wasn't available.

[quakerboy]

63. REally?

1) Thats kinda the point. There isn't really a story here. Except that a cop maced some nonviolent protestors. But thats not an approved headline, so some parties will do whatever they can to drum up sympathy for an abuser.

Your second point is asinine, and most likely false. Except for Barack Obama and a few televised preachers, I don't know of many people who's church attendance patterns are publicly available on the internet.

[jberryhill]

76. He deserves no sympathy

There are a lot of bad people who deserve no sympathy, Mr. Gandhi.

[starroute]

96. If somebody goes and offs his family, he gets sympathy

But who do you think is going to do that? The scrupulously non-violent protesters? The computer geeks of Anonymous? Or the run-of-the-mill criminals who you seem to think have been just itching for the chance to get back at Bologna but were too stupid to look up his address and the names of his family members online for themselves?

Give me a frigging break.

[jberryhill]

137. Again, just like the abortion hit lists

By and large, anti-choicers are just normal everyday church folks who wouldn't hurt anyone. That's why they laugh at the idea of their rhetoric inspiring the not-well-balanced to do that sort of thing.

But you are right, it's just not likely that some personality-disordered person seeking social approval would see a call for unspecified "payback" to do something foolish, because there is never anyone like that.

And if they do, well, the guy had it coming to him anyway.

[nichomachus]

191. Not even a close comparison

[Jamastiene]

201. Name one time that liberals have killed, maimed, and beaten conservatives like

conservatives kill, maim, and beat liberals? Your Dr. Tiller comparison is baseless. Conservatives are the ones who kill people they disagree with. Liberals do go around bombing or murdering or maiming or killing conservatives. Liberals don't even bother to impeach a war criminal of a president. Liberals never hold conservatives accountable even when the power to do so is right in front of us. That is why conservatives attack and maim and kill us. They know they can get by with it.

Your concern is unnecessary, totally and completely unnecessary. Nothing will happen to the guy. I'm 100% sure of it.

[starroute]

148. So now you're shifting ground

Where above you were suggesting the threat was from dumb criminals, now you're claiming there are left-wing equivalents of all the nutzoid killers who overdose on right-wing conspiracy theories and go out to shoot up abortion doctors.

Only there aren't any such left-wing equivalents, and there aren't left-wing conspiracy theories that could stir up such people. The right is perfectly glad to target the school of the daughter of the man who rents a building to an abortion clinic. The left isn't.

My real concern with Anonymous "doxing" people this way is that the right will pick up the practice and turn it into something far more toxic. But to compare Anonymous directly to the doctor-killers of the right is ludicrous.

[jberryhill]

150. Abortion clinic bombers are not operating on "conspiracy theories"

They are operating on the firm conviction that their targets are murderers, and they are acting in conformity with that belief.

Ted Kaczynski was not operating on a conspiracy theory either. He was taking action against targets connected with very real environmental destruction.

Now, Charles Manson was operating on conspiracy theories, as was Lynette Fromme.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/anonymous_outs_nypd_officer_wh.html

"Occupy Wall Street spokesman Patrick Bruner told us today that he was made aware of Bologna's identity last night, but opted not to release it. "We hadn't yet come to a consensus on how to approach the situation, which we saw as potentially volatile," Bruner said."

So, in your view, WTF is wrong with Patrick Bruner? What is it that he sees as "potentially volatile", because clearly you have figured out it is all nonsense.

[bongbong]

153. False Equivalence

Abortion is a private matter between a patient & doctor.

Macing a bunch of innocent people inappropriately is not.

See how they're not equivalent? :mad:

[jberryhill]

159. I agree with you that they are not equivalent

Please note where I stated that the people who do that sort of thing happen to be convinced of a wrong belief.

It is people who do not understand that their beliefs can be wrong, and who are under the impression that they posses the indisputably correct answer to anything, who are dangerous as a class. Because once you are convinced that you are utterly correct, and that anyone who disagrees with you is utterly wrong, you can justify doing anything to them.

[bongbong]

165. A question

Your definition of which group is "dangerous as a class" is pretty shaky. Here's why.

First off, the moral imperatives governing the behavior of said class vary widely amongst the members of that class. For example, person X may think person Y is wrong 100%, but doesn't care enough to try to do anything to person Y. Or person X may have enough moral scruples to know, even though person Y is wrong, it isn't his/her place to do anything about it.

Generally, the situation you describe CAN occur, but usually only with religious types, who always have the "out" of obtaining a Get Out Of Jail Free card by just talking to themselves (IOW, praying and hearing voices in their heads telling them it was perfectly OK to do an evil deed because they're "forgiven" for it)

[jberryhill]

167. With respect, Master Wayne....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc

[bongbong]

175. OK....

I'm not sure what a Batman video has to do with my comment, but thanks for the link.

[nichomachus]

193. You're way off the mark

There is no comparison between a doctor performing legal operations on women who want them -- and a fascist thug who abuses his authority and commits assault and battery with a dangerous weapon on a defenseless woman. There is no comparison between the two at all.

[DocMac]

108. Anonymous

listed the names of all his family members and all known addresses.

[quakerboy]

192. Again

I looked at the Dox file that was posted. And typing his name in at www.Whitepages.com got me the addresses and affiliated names that were in that file. Everything except the lawsuit info, which would be, I believe, also public record, just in a different portion of the internet.

But even if he were, say, an Undercover CIA agent whos info Anonymous released. I still place majority of the responsibility on mr Bologna. If he had not abused those women, none of the protestors would have taken a second look at him, much less posted his name on the internet.

[RoccoR5955]

38. boo hoo

Like they couldn't have done it, with a little help, before.

[jberryhill]

62. Anyone needing "a little help" to track him and his family down, just got some

[quakerboy]

64. Noone with internet access or a phone book needed any help.

And if they couldn't figure out either of those two sources, I doubt they are capable of accessing the Anonymous twitter feed with the info.

[jberryhill]

Again, that is absolutely true for the abortion hit lists

Which is fine, really, since there is a First Amendment right to publish stuff.

Specifically threatening harm is another story. So that's why, when you do this sort of thing, you say, "I hope nothing bad happens to him" or stuff like that, so that you can say that your objective words were not a threat.

Now, let's see if this guy gets what, uh, Karma, has in store for him.

See?

[quakerboy]

74. I doubt that is true

Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt that Dr Tiller had his personal number publicly listed, which means he would not have been in the phone book. (this is what my aunt did after leaving an abusive husband. 20 years later, she is still scared to be listed, so is not. You will not find her information easy to access online)

I also doubt that the type of car he drives was listed. He may have done press interviews, so his picture may have been out there of his own will, that I don't know. I seriously doubt that he published his church participation schedule, which is where he was assassinated.

[jberryhill]

78. Which circles back to...

...what is it that Anonymous did, which merits mention then?

A Google search? Surely by now, the Google results have whatever was available much more conveniently organized now.

What is this "pay back" that results from the publication, that is now expected? Several in this thread refer to it, but nobody specifies it.

[quakerboy]

84. The "payback", as you call it

is that now this man is famous for his misdeeds, and with any justice the public outcry will be enough to put him out of a job. Which, in reality is not so bad for him, as I am sure Joe Arpaio would love to hire this guy. Or alternately, if the universe is in a generous mood, his kids will see this video, and ask there dad why, and he will realize how wrong he was and grow as a person. Either would be good.

But the bigger picture is that now he and the other officers corralling the protestors now know that they cannot do as they please in anonymity.

[jberryhill]

85. If the world works as you imagine, yes

If the world works as I imagine, it gets deleted.

There are many possible foreseeable consequences, and unintended results. The universe has no bias favoring optimism.

[Nostradammit]

93. Maybe he should stop spraying innocent citizens in the face with mace

Then he wouldn't have this problem.

FFS - the idiocy required to see the cop as the underdog in this situation...

[jberryhill]

97. You are correct and there is no "maybe" about it

These things used to be resolved with tar and feathers.

[cheapdate]

11. Anonymous you made my day! eom

[NorthCarolina]

14. Mine too.

:applause:

[Matariki]

16. Good. The asshole deserves to lose his job. n/t

[IamK]

30. and if he did, the union would get it back for him....

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

118. If only this was a "Right to Work" nation ...

get rid of the unions, everyone's life improves.

:sarcasm:

[bengalherder]

18. He's been fed to the chans. n/t

[Xtraneous]

19. So let's see this coward's stripes now...

A grown man in a respected position peppersprays a few defenseless women. I am embarrassed to be of the same gender...

[unkachuck]

20. K&R....n/t

[wundermaus]

21. sweet

pay back is a bitch.
I hope anonymous reveals who your sugar daddy is...

[Gman]

22. Victory: "....that NYPD is aware of Anthony Bologna's data released & have taken him offsite."

[Joe Shlabotnik]

27. small victory

I fully hope he gets what he deserves, BUT remember he's just a hired thug and a petty tool of a vicious control machine. People like him are brainwashed too.

[No Elephants]

112. Not sure it's a small victory. A guy with a record of controversial actions against demonstrators

get assigned to this demonstration?

Why?

Did he request it?

Did the NYPD want the controversial action guy there?

Was it random chance?

[saras]

151. A lot of symathetic cops are refusing to cover the demonstration. Draw your own conclusions.

[micraphone]

23. This appears to be the only way..

To put a stop to police brutality against peaceful protesters.

Their bosses already justified the pepper spraying.

No come-back there - so this is only way to make these cops and the MIC accountable.

[blackspade]

32. This cop is a scumbag.

This is the real reason why the cops don't want to be filmed.
They might actually have to face the music for their actions.

[SoapBox]

35. While there are good cops...there sure are some BAD cops.

This clown is a bad cop. Period.

Come on NYPD...kick his ass.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

37. With a name like Tony Bologna

probably has a chip on his shoulder from Jr High days ;)

[Ed Suspicious]

47. Tony Baloney. I love it.

[BlueJazz]

39. I wish I could talk to this police officer.

[Yon_Yonson]

41. You have my attention ... what would you say?

[BlueJazz]

48. Not so much what I would say but how it would be said.

[Yon_Yonson]

52. Understood and point well taken

[BlueJazz]

221. >>

:)

[Phlem]

43. Ha!

The one thing that's common, there's no talking to people like him. I have been surrounded by that ignorance all my life. Just walk away. You'd feel better talking to wall at least.

-p

[Yon_Yonson]

46. My throughts exactly ... no talking to people like that!

[jberryhill]

73. "The only thing they understand is force and violence"

That's how it always goes... Same song every time.

[No Elephants]

117. In fairness, the wall probably has a higher IQ.

[Modern_Matthew]

44. I approve of the direction this is taking. Protesters drawing lines for authorities and making them

terrified to cross them.

It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling in my belly.

[unionworks]

49. nothing funny at all

...about this. After watching that poor young woman on her knees screaming in agony, I hope this joff cops career is destroyed.

[Flatulo]

50. I'm reassured that so many DUers have faith in Anonymous's

infinite wisdom in their dispensation of justice.

[jberryhill]

56. Any reliable system of justice depends on anonymity

Otherwise, if they err, they would be held accountable.

[Flatulo]

91. Plus, just think of all the money society will save on courts, lawyers and trials. nt

[jberryhill]

94. It's okay, as long as they are on our side!

Sigh

Help! Jane! Get me off this crazy thing!

[Flatulo]

95. Due process is so... tedious. nt

[JoeyT]

99. Due process?

For a cop? I'm glad you have that much faith in a system that shows on a regular basis that there are classes of people that are completely above the law.

FFS, we're talking about a system that barely managed to get some cops for shooting people fleeing a flood and that took nearly a fucking decade. And a system that pretty much shrugs and says "Meh, collateral damage. What can you do?" when a SWAT team shoots up a house full of innocent people.

Edited to add:
Due process. Bwahahaha.

[GliderGuider]

107. +1

:thumbsup:

[jberryhill]

149. "Due process. Bwahahaha."

That's how people like Bologna get to be people like Bologna.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

170. I can't disagree with that! Clearly this man has yet to be held accountable. nt

[joeglow3]

154. I think the issue is lack of consistency

You cannot shout for due process and then, when it is convenient, say "the system is fucked. there is no due process." You appear to be hopping back and forth on both sides of the line whenever it is convenient for you.

[No Elephants]

124. Trial? For what? Please see Reply 122.

[No Elephants]

122. Accountable for putting information in the public domain on the Internet?

Even if this member of Anonymous's name were known, what form would this accountability of which you speak take?

As you yourself posted upthread, no law has been broken and we all have a right to put information that is in the public domain on the Internet, including members of Anonymous.

[jberryhill]

143. Does the word "if" mean anything to you?

I was speaking more broadly - "if they err"

That is both conditional and future tense.

I understand that grammar is challenging when one is trying to mis-state what another person is saying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/anonymous_outs_nypd_officer_wh.html

"Occupy Wall Street spokesman Patrick Bruner told us today that he was made aware of Bologna's identity last night, but opted not to release it. "We hadn't yet come to a consensus on how to approach the situation, which we saw as potentially volatile," Bruner said."

Bruner is a major wuss who needs you to scold him to the correct view.

Why does he want to protect this scum and his family?

[unionworks]

60. it's the only justice

You're gonna get.

[left on green only]

51. I wonder now about the open avenues for a legal response to his actions?

Being that what he did was recorded and released for public consumption in the media, isn't it possible for the victims of his pepper spray attack to now sue both he, as well as the NYPD, for damages in court? This could give whole new meaning to the term "police civilian review board".

He is indeed fortunate that Macy's will soon be hiring more security help for the holidays, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

[backscatter712]

53. Let's see. A paid vacation, er, suspension, a transfer to a different precinct.

Yeah, I'm sure the NYPD's gonna be really harsh on him. :sarcasm:

[jberryhill]

65. They could sue him without the video

His name would be subject to perfunctory discovery in a suit against the department.

Police departments and police have been sued for brutality before people had cell phone cameras and the internet.

[quakerboy]

68. Without the video

Mr Bologna lies and says they were attacking officers, and he had to protect his men. And who ya gonna believe, some unruly protestors who were attacking police or a respectable police officer?

With video, who ya gonna believe, The officer or your lying eyes.

[jberryhill]

69. Do you believe there have been no successful brutality suits...

...before ubiquitous recording technology?

Videos rarely make or break these cases - eg Rodney King.

[No Elephants]

127. Rodney King's beating was videotaped and , and two of the cops went to prison.

Not getting your point as to what the Rodney King case proved about video.

Besides, pepper spray by one cop in the face of one woman is not exactly the fact pattern of the Rodney King case.

"The footage showed LAPD officers repeatedly striking King with their batons while other officers stood by watching, without taking any action to stop the beating. A portion of this footage was aired by news agencies around the world, causing public outrage that raised tensions between the black community and the LAPD and increased anger over police brutality and social inequalities in Los Angeles.

Four LAPD officers were later tried in a state court for the beating; three were acquitted and the jury failed to reach a verdict for the fourth. The announcement of the acquittals sparked the 1992 Los Angeles riots. A later federal trial for civil rights violations ended with two of the officers found guilty and sent to prison and the other two officers acquitted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

And the Rodney King case raised issues of racial discrimination not raised in this instance.

[jberryhill]

142. It took too long

There was a huge payout in the BART shooting too.

As noted elsewhere in this very thread, the notion of "due process" is laughable, because it takes too long.

Perhaps you don't remember the first trial arising from the Rodney King incident, and its aftermath.

[No Elephants]

125. And how did those suits without videos turn out?

Heck, even with videos, cops rarely are accountable, civilly or criminally.

Unless maybe they don't get plane fare to attend a beer summit at the WH.

[No Elephants]

121. You think he will be fired for pepper spray? If so, what makes you think that?

[left on green only]

178. My comments were in addressing the possibility of the *victims*

of the brutal assault pressing civil charges against *both* the assaulting officer *and* the NYPD. I can find little reason in my comment for my words to have been possibly construed as anything otherwise.

My comment at the end vis a vie holiday employment at Macys, was my hope in reference to the possibility that as an outcome of possible civil legal action taken by the victims, seasonal private security work would be the only avenue of employment left open to the cop who lodged the assault.

I can see now that my last comment, "If you know what I mean, and I think that you do" was indeed only a hope that was squandered in vain. It appears that I may indeed be wasting my time on this board, due to its' being predominated by contributors who post knee jerk reactions, apparently without ever having read the complete subject of the threads (yes, including even the news sources that are referenced at the bottom of the threads), as well as not considering the in-depth meaning of the responses that are submitted as comments to the threads. I don't mean to appear to be singling you out here, it's just that these are the things that I have been sadly observing for a long time as I have read a plethora of the responses to the threads that have been posted here.

[unionworks]

66. LawrenceO'Donnel

Dedicated a whopping minute or so of a one hour program to OWS. The only mention I saw on any msnbc coverage tonite on the talking head shows. Rachel did not even mention it. He summed up with something like"even if complaints are filed, nothing will be done". ALMOST like he was trying to say resistance is futile! Slurping the corporate wienie since comcast took over. The net is the only hope for freedom.

[jberryhill]

71. This will make it easier for Karma to find him

Karma is some guy who just finished a sentence after an arrest years ago, and just learned how to use Google.

[quakerboy]

79. Apparently Karma

learned how to use Google, but not the Phone book?

[jberryhill]

81. Seriously, when was the last time you SAW a phone book?

Let alone one for the NYC area?

And some guy with an Italian name really stands out there, if they even print them anymore.

So the headline here is "Anonymous knows how to use a phone book". Wow, that's something.

[quakerboy]

86. We've been over this

that's what makes this article so ridiculous. They tried to take "anonymous knows how to use phone book" and turn it into "hacking" because that's a much more sexy story. Plus that spin can be used to defend that poor police officer, no reason to expose his public information just because he happened to mace some hacker protestors. What I fail to understand is why you want to buy into that line.

As to when... They delivered another phone book to me just a couple months ago. But there is also "whitepages.com". If you know the guys name (and I'm pretty sure anyone put in jail by "tony boloney" would remember that name a long time) and you can use the internet, whamo bamo, there you are.

Or, as you say Karma learned to use Google. Go to Google, type in "how to find someone online". follow handy provided directions.

[jberryhill]

87. Why bother, he's google result #3 for "Tony bologna"

But elsewhere, you said the point was to "make him famous for his mis-deed".

Just how all those BART customers became famous for patronizing an evil public transportation system.

4chan and the blogosphere are also by no means done with this guy. It's still early. How many kids are itching to "out-do" Anonymous? We'll see a lot more about this guy. It's not even been a few hours yet.

[quakerboy]

89. You may be right that its not done yet

Maybe he is a closet kiddie porn junkie. If so, I would prefer that be outed. We probably don't need to know his SS number or how much he has in the bank, but those may come out. I suppose he will have to get life lock, if he doesn't have it yet...

As to the "few hours", that's a bit of an exaggeration. Its been over a day, and all we have so far is information that anybody with a name and access to the white pages or google could have found anyway.

[jberryhill]

92. I don't think I'm "right" or "wrong"

There is a risk in this sort of thing, and you understand that.

Now, let's get into the spirit of arson appreciation night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5007164

The moral high ground is not easy to gain, and very easy to lose.

Overconfidence and pride are the usual suspects.

[No Elephants]

130. Publishing an address is not setting fire to someone's business.

Not even close.

A young woman gained the moral high ground on this cop simply by standing behind a police barrier at a demonstration while this lowlife maced her. She will never lose it.

However, if we assume the Wrong Wing will acknowledge that, we will probably be disappointed.

The person, IF ANY, who ever does commit a crime against this cop or his family will never have had the moral high ground.


Or are you implying the entire left will, in reality, lose the moral high ground to the entire right for the actions of one person--that have not occurred yet and may never occur.

Because, in my view, that is bs.


Maybe simply stating what your point actually is would make it clearer. So far, I am not quite sure.

[jberryhill]

144. You need to get ahold of Patrick Bruner

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/anonymous_outs_nypd_officer_wh.html

"Occupy Wall Street spokesman Patrick Bruner told us today that he was made aware of Bologna's identity last night, but opted not to release it. "We hadn't yet come to a consensus on how to approach the situation, which we saw as potentially volatile," Bruner said."

Clearly, Bruner has his head up his ass, and needs you to straighten him out and tell him he's full of bs.

Anyone who sees something "volatile" here is obviously full of shit.

"Maybe simply stating what your point actually is would make it clearer."

That's pretty funny coming after I said it's not that I think I'm "right" or "wrong".

Vigilantism of any sort raises risks - it has a long history - and discussions can be more than point-making or declaring this or that view to be "bs".

[mckara]

72. Criminals Who Hide Behind Badges are Worst of All!

A scumbag violating the Public Trust!

[Odin2005]

77. Karma's gonna get ya, Tony Baloney.

[tonekat]

80. Great, crazy cops with weapons

I don't care about this cop's welfare. He's a dangerous threat to society. The hell with this attempt to quell dissent through intimidation.

[separationcs]

83. Not cool.

Professional info is one thing; public knowledge...personal is wrong. Just because you can, does not mean that you should. Irresponsible and wrong.

[Sal Minella]

138. Public information on this sadist may help discourage him from

committing criminal acts in the future.

Having his "information" as public knowledge is justified because he needs to be under close and constant observation by everyone around him, especially superiors and co-workers.

A sadist successfully hiding behind a badge is of no benefit to society.

I need Balogna to know he's being watched closely, and sadistic behavior in the future will not be tolerated. I also hope he finds a new career as a night shift maintenance worker or some other occupation having no contact with people weilding less power than he.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

164. so if i were to get into a squabble with you

then you would have had no problem with me releasing a ton of your personal information(if i had a way to get it)?

[Sal Minella]

166. Committing violent physical assault on another human being

does not qualify as a "squabble."

If I were to commit such violent assault on people as Officer Bologna did, I would expect to be watched closely by any and all citizens who had an inclination to do so.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

171. If you're a sadist who has evaded the law before, because you ARE the law, why not? nt

[separationcs]

189. Good point

They put his family at risk. This is unacceptable and it could destroy the whole Anonymous movement. As it should, if they put people's lives at risk, they are no better than the people they are trying to 'expose'. They lost my support with this move.

[boppers]

208. "if they put people's lives at risk"?

Holy crap, you must *hate* the phone company, then.

[separationcs]

213. Illogical.

[boppers]

214. I can find most people's addresses from a phone company, and if not that:

Property records.
Tax records.
Political donation records.
Credit records.
DMV records.
Birth records.
Death records.
Marriage records.

(etc.)

It's all public, for a price.

[separationcs]

218. No. You can't.

You are wrong and most likely will be the first to cry invasion of privacy if it happened to you. Posters here must be very young or very sheltered to support this behavior. This is very dangerous.

[boppers]

222. There certainly is an age gap.

I'm part of the < 40, internet-everything, generation, where we're used to having all this information at our fingertips. The > 40 generation is often shocked when they discover how much of the world is now in online databases.

For one/some examples:
From http://www.zillow.com I can find out how much you're likely paying in rent, or property taxes, when you bought your house (if an owner), etc.

http://people.switchboard.com / lists my age, every city I've lived in, who I am related to, etc. etc.

..and that's just a couple of free services.

For research purposes, I decided I should figure out something interesting about you, that you would assume a complete and total stranger would not know.

So, you had your only child, a boy, when you were 26-ish?

How could I know that?

Simple, a youtube profile lists the age (43) of separationcs:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Separationcs

..and that same user on Salon discloses age and gender of one child, in a context where multiple children would have been mentioned:
http://letters.salon.com/7cebddcad3c6bec7a421d909b3124b0c/author/

(The rest is math.)

I know this because you published it for everyone to see, for free, on the internet.

edit:s/one/some/

[snooper2]

227. you're cracking me up ROFL

:rofl:

[boppers]

207. If you were in a squabble with me, I'd have no problem with you collecting and releasing public data

... because I already know exactly what that data is out there, and have no fear, or shame, about it.

Here, let me see how much info there is...
"About 47,700 results"
"About 21,200 results"
"About 2,320,000 results"

It'll take you a few years to sift through all that, of course.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

215. i didn't say public tho, i said personal, slight difference n/t

[boppers]

223. All the information Anonymous has released is public.

That's why I used that specific word.

If it was personal, well, it wouldn't be public, right?

*cough*

[boppers]

206. What was "personal" that was released, as compared to "public"?

I haven't seen anything that would be locked behind a password.

[yurbud]

88. I think a better payback would be showing the cops how Wall St was screwing them

or planning to.

[saras]

90. yes, but that would take brain surgery of a level we're nowhere near capable of

Personally I'd settle for Bologna never pepper spraying anybody ever again, whatever that takes. Best if he never has another position of trust or authority, and flips burgers or scrubs toilets until he dies.

[yurbud]

100. think big picture: screw him, and we might lose some cops we otherwise could have won over

[Occulus]

198. Logically speaking,

those are the cops whose support we shouldn't want or need.

[bengalherder]

101. ....

[qb]

106. K&R - Power to the People

:yourock:

[TBF]

110. Solidarity Anonymous - go get'em! nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

111. God bless Anonymous! nt

[Township75]

120. I love this. Someone posts the info, everyone yells payback time, and then waits...

for someone else to do something.

I'm not going to do anything but I am sure someone will. And it is gonna be payback! I will just sit here, do nothing, shout nice slogans, and think I kick ass.

BTW - doing nothing is appropriate. Do you really want someone going after this guy?

[No Elephants]

132. If it were your face in that video macing that woman and your home address went online, would you

think something bad might actually happen to you IRL?

That thought can't be comfortable.

Why wait for anyone to do anything else?

Why isn't that payback enough?

[jberryhill]

140. Yes, the fear of harm is enough

And that is the point.

If you can get enough people to fear that you can cause harm to come to them, then you can exercise control over them without actually having to harm them, or persuade them of anything else.

And if someone decides to foolishly make an example of this guy, his family, etc. the tool of fear is more effective in the future.

[jberryhill]

135. That's the point

It doesn't mean that every abortion doctor will get shot, or every clinic bombed.

But to be effective to produce fear in the target, inconsistency is actually better. If, for example, everyone on an enemy list falls down a flight of stairs two days later, then the target fairly quickly reaches a state of comfort. Random retribution is more fear inducing over a longer period. Like, "Gee, I hope this guy never finds himself alone someplace."

The technique also allows those picking the target to be disconnected, in any legally responsible way, to whatever retaliation is visited on the target.

[separationcs]

190. It's called Terrorism.

[DaveJ]

131. People late on Credit Card bills get all their family members called

But when someone maces innocents in the face, and all of a sudden his family privacy is paramount? Someone like this scumbag, it's very likely his family was totally oblivious to his treachery until now.

I know the response it, "well when money is involved it's ok to call family... they just want their money back." Well think of this as when some kid is being mean and someone says "I know who your mother is." Same effect. Just because you live in NY does not give you right to be a scumbag unnoticed. This guy has the moral and ethical mind of a prepubescent anyway.

[No Elephants]

134. Conflicted. On the one hand, I do not agree at all with putting this jerk's personal info online,

let alone that of his family members.

On the other hand, the police department or the city rarely gives the public a sense of justice being done after something like this--or even a death-- happens.

And no matter how much the media covers funerals and crying, outraged family members, nothing changes.

[jberryhill]

145. You don't agree with Anonymous?

Go ahead, criticize Anonymous and see what happens to you.

[leftyladyfrommo]

172. Exactly.

That kind of thinking can lead to some real atrocities against innocent people.

You have to look at the bigger picture here. Maybe in this one case the guy deserved what he got - maybe he didn't. There was no trial or anything - just what came out of the media. And we all know how reliable that info is.

And where does it stop?

We are losing so many of our privacy rights - in fact, I don't think we have any privacy rights left. I hate to see this sort of thing.

[boppers]

209. "criticize Anonymous and see what happens to you"

Uh, yeah, likely nothing.

Not Your Personal Army, Trolls trolling trolls, etc.

Heck, people try to "criticize" all the time with fake credentials to try and taunt Anonymous into attacking the wrong person.

Phelps tried it for publicity. It was full of fail, not much happened.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107893-Westboro-Baptists-Stage-Fake-Anonymous-Threat

Aaron Barr, OTOH, tried hacking into the group, for profit.

His company's servers were raided, his phone system was compromised, and his career in "security" is now over, because, well, he was a fraud.

See the difference? Criticism, and outright direct insults, is just part of the chan culture. It's rude, filled with mock violence, cruelty, racism, pranks, etc., and an extreme philosophy about freedom of speech.

Actually hurt a kitten, or try to actually injure a person, though, and we will find you, and send the police to your house, along with a big fat dossier of your activities.

[DaveJ]

139. BTW, Where is this Information, really?

Is this info really available anywhere? Or are sites too scared to post it? Once they do post it, they probably get threatened to take it down. Probably on some tech stream that nobody ever sees anyway. Even there they probably get threatened to take it down.

[jberryhill]

141. Just search on "bologna" and "pepper" - there are millions of results /nt

[DaveJ]

146. Oh, ok I stand corrected

Freedom of speech (or text) is still alive.

[boppers]

210. The internet self-corrects for attempted censorship.

It's a "nation" with such different rules that nations have a hard time dealing with it.

Basically, takedown notices ensure amplification. Wikileaks got threatened, and actually knocked offline. Within 24 hours, hundreds of mirrors popped up. That number had grown to thousands within weeks, and now, there's millions of copies.

[disndat]

161. Wow. This is a revolution!

The social networks, cell phones, Assange, Brad Cooper are responsible for the "Arab Spring" and now that revolution is being taken up all over the world. Yes even in China, India, in smaller ways, of course, and now the youth of NYC, after Wisconsin, the peaceful uprising is everywhere.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

173. Arab spring???????? nt

[bongbong]

168. I'll make a bet with great odds

Anybody who wants to bet that Boloney is a Democrat? I'll give you 100 to 1 odds! You just have to bet $1 to make $100 if he's a Democrat!

Anyone? ... Bueller? ... Bueller? ...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

174. He apparently was participating in some Republican Convention, wasn't he? Not very Dem. nt

[bongbong]

177. Sure

My point is that Democrats (generally, meaning 99.9%) don't retaliate in violent ways against their "enemies". It's part of the False Equivalence argument against those on DU who try to equate Boloney's outing with Tiller's outing.

[RickFromMN]

169. What is caught on video is horrible. The police must investigate this cop, for their own sake.

Otherwise, the police will learn, to their chagrin,
losing the trust of the people means losing the trust of jurors during court trials.

Police, no matter which area of the country, will find their word is questioned.
It only takes a little doubt for a jury to find the defendant not guilty.

The police will also learn their funding will dry up. People are tired of taxes.
People don't want to pay anyway. People won't want to pay for a corrupt police force.
People won't vote the property taxes or other measures to fund the police.
There will be cutbacks.

[markpkessinger]

186. If pressured enough, the NYPD will conduct one of its own sham investigations of itself...

... which will result in a finding of no wrongdoing of any kind on the part of the police. I've seen this script play many times in the nearly 30 years I've lived in NYC.

[quakerboy]

225. Never gonna happen

Unless forced, there will be no investigation. This man is still out on the street, offending again. And his "brothers" on the force, at least 20 of them right there as witnesses, did nothing about it.

You are right that the police lose public trust by this behavior.

You are wrong that it will mean significant cuts for the police. The way our system is structured, police are here to protect the money and the power. And the money and power won't let their protection go, and they won't be giving you a say in it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

176. Where exactly do Anonymous make these decisions from? because they seem to be small group these days

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

180. Good

nt

[Pab Sungenis]

187. Self-delete

Wrong thread replied to.

[alp227]

188. Payback is OK...just don't involve his kids with it.

I just heard this topic discussed on the last hour of the Thom Hartmann program. Anthony Bologna (if he did it) is an utter failure of a human being, but please respect his family. Just like how the DREAM Act doesn't want to blame kids for their parents crossing our borders illegally.

[rainlillie]

197. I see your point,

Will anyone here be comfortable if some nutjob guns this officer down or one of his family members? It's not about payback, it's about justice. The women who were the victims in this incident should file a civil suit against the officer and police department. Releasing this guys info will more than likely endanger his life as well as the lives of his family members.

[quakerboy]

224. His information, as released

was just as easily obtained using his name and the white pages. The whole story about "anonymous" and "hacking" is bologna. Meant to stir sympathy for mr Bologna, just as it clearly has for some.

He put his name out there by pepper spraying innocents on film. And his address is in the phone book. With his family's names. He done this one to himself. And then he went out and did it again, as per later film.

[Occulus]

199. Respect his family, the same way credit card companies do when your bill's late?

Please. Sauce for the goose, etc.

[geologic]

194. His "kids" are adults...

...and (maybe) they should be treated just like Saddam Hussein and Mommar Kadafi's kids were--
bring the troops home now...

[rainlillie]

195. The women who were sprayed should just file a civil suit and

posting the officers info may cause other innocent people to get hurt. I don't see anything good coming from this.

[geologic]

196. Let them file (un)civil suit and eat cake...

...WWJD??? (What Would (GI) Joe Do???)

After all, he's been over in foreign countries fighting to protect our womenz and freedom of speech; right???--

All Good Things In All Good Time...

[unionworks]

200. a part of me

...grieves more for officerBalogna than the innocent people he maced. Their pain will be over in a week or two. In case nobody bothered to look, this man had a courageous and illustrious career, including taking down high level dope dealers, and the WTC medal. This guy watched his family of brothersand sisters die a horrendous death. And I believe this is a major factor that caused him to lash out at the very people he swore to protect and serve. Call me crazy or whatever you wish. I look in the mirror before I cast blame. This cop will live. In pain the rest of his life.

[unionworks]

203. put yourself in his shoes

This poor guy probably stood in the smouldering remains of the WTC and watched the flag being retrieved and flown atop the rubble. 10 years later, he has a 19 year old kid holding a flag upside down in his face screaming "is this what you're about"? What part of sensitivity and compassion don't you people get? This movement is making the same mistake the antiwar movement made during Vietnam, alienating itself from the troops.If this doesn't change, you will fail.Don't make history repeat itself. Please.

[boppers]

211. "What part of sensitivity and compassion don't you people get?"

The part where supporting thugs in uniforms is "sensitive and compassionate".

A uniform doesn't make a hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Alva

As far as history repeating itself, we're not in Vietnam anymore, are we?

[unionworks]

212. yes, we are.

Find out for yourselves. I'mgonna shut up and watch now.

[unionworks]

216. foot in my mouth...again

...reading new reports coming in, it appears that the violence was not commited only by officer bologna, but by a number of "white shirts". Even worse, it appearsthis violence was not due to the heat of emotions of the moment- it was done in a calculated tactical fashion, most likely from blackwater style crowd control training designed not to keep order, but to thwart free peaceful assembly. This is entirely a different matter. Sorry, I did not know the whole story.

[Bragi]

219. I applaud Anonymous /nt