Court halts Ala. schools' checking of immigration status

[Playinghardball]

Source: MSNBC

ATLANTA — Alabama schools may not check the immigration status of students but police may detain immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally, a federal appeals court said Friday in issuing a temporary ruling.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued its order after the Justice Department challenged what is considered as the toughest immigration law in the nation.

The opinion also blocked a part of the law that makes it a crime for immigrants to not have proper documentation.

A final decision on the law won't be made for months to allow time for more arguments.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44905975/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[EFerrari]

1. Good. That atrocity needs to be overturned altogether. n/t

[joeglow3]

5. Why?

I bet you don't work in a profession that has been flooded by illegal immigrants.
I bet you don't work in a trade union that has been busted up by illegal immigrants.
I bet you have not had you wages go DOWN 50% in great economic times (the 1990's).
I bet you have not had friends get fired, so 2 illegals could be hired for less money.
I bet you have not lost you house because what was once a great middle class income has been relegated to slave labor that people now say "no American will work."

My family lived through all those things and more. Sorry, but I support working class Americans FIRST. I do not support policies made around lining rich business owners workers and flat out fist-fucking hard-working union laborers. While Alabama can eat a fat dick as a whole, I support any state taking the initiative to protect these American workers when the Federal government has not done shit because both parties of looking for herds of cattle (I mean, voters).

[EFerrari]

7. Before you bet anything, try reading the Civil Rights Act,

especially Title 2,3 & 6.

And, btw, there is no profession being flooded by undocumented workers. Immigration is also at a 60 year low.

Undocumented workers don't have the power to bust up unions. You are blaming the wrong people.

And I did lose my home in 2008 due to unemployment.

I hope you're not a betting man because you suck at it.

The Civil Rights Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

[joeglow3]

8. Bull fucking shit

My father was a union drywaller for 30+ years in Omaha Nebraska. The profession was FLOODED with illegal immigrants and company after company went non-union, driving wages down. We had friends get laid off, and lose EVERYTHING, while my father (who was fortunate enough to not be laid off) watched their positions get filled by illegals. Check out the building of the Omaha Convention Center and Arena (was the Qwest Center and is now the Century Link center). Eliason and Knuth got the drywall contract and was using illegals. When Local 444 contacted the contractor, E&K AND the city, no one did shit. It was not until they got the Omaha World Herald to run a story after the union went to them that it was addressed. Of course, all parties acted shocked and the illegals were moved to E&K's other jobs and legal workers were moved to the convention center.


And, regarding losing your house, I said "I bet you have not lost you house because what was once a great middle class income has been relegated to slave labor that people now say "no American will work."

I will also bet you sure as shit do NOT line up to support the issues that led to you losing your job.

Nice try though.

[EFerrari]

14. As I said, not only do you seem completely innocent of the law

but you suck at betting.

[joeglow3]

18. Really?

What led to you losing your house? And how adament are you in supporting the continuation of what led to that?

[alp227]

10. I recently heard this story on TYT about how farms NEED undoc'd workers

because American citizens won't stick around for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnwo2cWfg_4

[joeglow3]

17. Yeah, that tends to happen when you have policies that depress wages

You flood the labor market, put thousands of employed Americans on the street, employ illegals at obscenely depressed wages and then, years later, say "we need them because no American will work this job." This is EXACTLY what business owners intended to do and EXACTLY what they want you to say, ensuring they get to keep their slave labor.

[RebelOne]

9. I am on your side. n/t

[EFerrari]

15. Then you are also signing off on racial profiling and multiple violations

of the Civil Rights Act, not to mention, blaming other workers for how workers are treated here.

Good going. Maybe if you all just hate Mexicans enough, your lives will change for the better. :sarcasm:

[TheMadMonk]

12. SO PROSECUTE THE MONEY GRUBBING CUNTS WHO EMPLOY...

...illegals. Prosecuting the illegal workers simply makes it easier for the employers to depress wages (and more dangerously to all of us - CONDITIONS) even further.

In those great ecconomic times (and the lead up to them) YOU and/or YOUR COUNTRYMEN voted with wallets to offshore EVERYTHING.

You got what you thought you wanted (cheap goods) and EXACTLY what you were TOLD (less jobs) you (collectively) were voting for. Now we, the whole fucking world, are being expected to live with the consequences, and you're still spouting the same fucking white supremacist bullshit which got us there.

[joeglow3]

13. Where did I say you don't prosecute the employers?

First, you prove my point without even realizing it. You are adamantly opposed to outsourcing jobs to poorer nations because of the impact it has on US jobs. Yet, you support importing those same people to the US and depressing wages to the same point as if the jobs were taken to them instead.

That said, I have always gone out of my way to purchase American made goods. Fortunately, I have a good enough job that affords me that luxury. However, go back to the 1980's before their industry was flooded with illegal immigrants. How should things have played out? How do envelope 200 new people into an industry is that is already fully employed with 400 workers (obviously, these are made up numbers)?

[EFerrari]

16. Gee, what happened between the 80s and now that resulted

in so much Mexican immigration? Do those people have no shame, breaking into our country and taking our jobs?

Or maybe they all got together and plotted to throw themselves off their own farms by passing NAFTA?

Or maybe they all have a desire to avoid starvation, be treated like shit, paid shit for their work and spend most of their wages staying out of our for profit jails?

Americans have to be the most naive people on earth. We tank the whole ag sector of a country as big as Mexico and it doesn't even register.

[joeglow3]

19. Good job and COMPLETELY ignoring my question. You could be a politician.

I was asking about the construction industry. Additionally, I asked you point blank questions and all you did was ignore them and go off on a condescending speech.

[lunasun]

21. yeah they used to work on mexican farms b4 nafta blew away their biggest

product = corn .
I would not want to leave my homeland, culture and family to find work but if I had to I would try to stay fed.
It is like now here with cheaper products overseas taking away more of OUR jobs now. Took away their way of living.
Added to their country'sdrug problems too IMO.
One 'product' US couldnt grow (legally).
Monsanto is still trying to force it's GM corn on what left of AG down there I heard
I agree this was all a lotto win for greedy employers.

Now they can operate with out paying a living wage, safe conditions and have the slaves they wanted back.

What had been a relatively open and benign labor process before 1986 was transformed into an exploitative underground system of labor coercion, one that lowered wages and working conditions of undocumented migrants, legal immigrants, and American citizens alike.
And our leaders term it 'economic integration'

But workers of the world please unite YOUR EMPLOYER CHOSE TO REPLACE YOU WITH AN ILLEGAL or ship your job TO THEIR FACTORY elsewhere or buy from a cheaper importer than your company.

Hint> the every day worker is not calling the shots here or in China or Mexico.

Or believe it all the worker's fault for finding food or wanting jobs to come to their country and waste your time & tax $$ staying angry at the exploited here and around the world .

Vigilantes are not the answer but it probably feels better to hate them illegals than your white boss/slave owner that goes to the same church and that handsome CEO in the news seems more like you than some heathen Chinese guy who builds his products overseas and that CEO has a really cool car collection you wish you had too so you are more like him.
The 'powers that be' are sooo happy that it keeps you occupied if you are willing to be duped.

Barking up the wrong tree AND adding to a NAzi like flavor to this country that is just not pretty -remember how Jews were an economic problem to be dealt with there??

Now we want papers for anyone who fits a certain racial profile even if their family has been in this country for centuries. And papers even if they were the first nation people here because many native AMERICANs could be mistaken for Mexican too. This is more a big issue in AZ since most were moved off the fertile lands of the SE states long ago (again for $$) but in could still occur in a state like this down south

A certain group here in the US just dragging this nation down to a new civilized low with misplaced anger IMO
But seems a lot of democrats agree; it is the worker to be damned

BTW who put his signature on NAFTA?
Who just added Columbia with a pen?

[TheMadMonk]

20. Actually I favour a certain amount of outsourcing, provided...

...one of those things outsourced is an improved standard of living.

AND where exactly do I say I support the importation of cheap labour? Particularly with a purpose of depressing wages.

What I said was, the political decision (cheered on by the public) to focus almost solely on immigrants (which in practice means profiling Hispanics) gives employers (and the smugglers who service them) a great deal more lattitude in controlling the workers and the conditions under which they can be forced to labour.

OH AND WHILE ON THIS PARTICULAR FUCKING RANT: I would call your attention to the all too common law enforcement practice of processing trafficked underage prostitutes, by booking them and handing them over to INS. Providing they're paying for it in proper capitalistic fashion, a person actively seeking underage sex in America stands a very good chance of never being prosecuted as a child sex offender. They simply pay the fine for the misdemeanour summary offence of soliciting and resume their kerb crawl.

Deporting all possible complaining witnesses is a damned good way of entrenching illegal practices like trafficking for brothels and other industries. It makes for a workforce which cannot complain, or dare reveal dangerous practices to the relevant authorities. And you can just add in the threat of reprisal "back home", to ensure that they leave no sworn statement in their wake.

You claim to stand foursquare for the worker, but what you advocate, first and foremost benefits criminal employers, doing so almost entirely at the expense of ALL WORKERS, both legitimate and particularly otherwise.

[lunasun]

2. Naziland -where are your papers ???

[pampango]

3. Great news. Hope all the children can be go to school without fear. n/t

[Jim Warren]

4. Remarkable

how quickly the USDOJ can act on certain matters like this or medical MJ but completely ignores Wall St. fraud and corruption.

[totodeinhere]

6. That's good news but unfortunately a climate of fear has already been created in that state and it

will be hard to undo that. That will be especially true since even after this ruling some parts of the law remain enforceable while other parts do not, creating confusion among the immigrant community.

[alp227]

11. HOWEVER, the SB 1070-like clause to detain people suspected of illegal presence stands

The court "upheld a provision that allows police to detain immigrants who are suspected of being in the country illegally."

Also: "The judges also let stand parts of the law that bar state courts from enforcing contracts involving illegal immigrants and make it a felony for an illegal immigrant to do business with the state for basic things like getting a driver's license."

Source: "" (The Guardian)

also the has 9 Republican nominees and 7 Democratic nominees.

oh, http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs

[Hissyspit]

22. Part of Alabama Immigrant Law Blocked

Source: New York Times

Part of Alabama Immigrant Law Blocked

By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON
Published: October 14, 2011

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A federal appeals court in Atlanta temporarily blocked two provisions of Alabama’s far-reaching immigration enforcement law on Friday, but left much of it in effect as the state and the United States Justice Department continued to fight over the law in the courts.

The United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit issued a preliminary injunction against a section of the law that requires schools to determine the immigration status of children who are enrolling, as well as the status of their parents. It also blocked a section making it a state crime for illegal immigrants not to carry registration documents.

The law, considered the toughest state immigration law in the nation, was signed by Gov. Robert Bentley in June, but it was challenged shortly thereafter in lawsuits by the Justice Department, a coalition of civil rights groups and others.

On Sept 28, a federal district judge in Alabama issued an injunction against several provisions but allowed most of the law to take effect while the challenges made their way through the courts.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/us/2-alabama-immigration-law-provisions-are-blocked.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto

[tblue]

23. They're letting this happen because

there aren't enough Mexicans left to do the jobs they say 'American's won't do.' I heard that in a report today on NPR. It's apparently taking a toll on certain employers who depend on that demographic for labor.

All I can say is 'HAHAHAHA!!!" Be careful what you ask for, a-holes!

But I do think this is probably why this challenge has been 'allowed.'