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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:54 AM
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Wall Street Occupiers Fear Drummers Will Be Their Undoing
Source: Atlantic Wire

The most pervasive sound at Zuccotti Park, and one of the neighbors' biggest complaints, is that of a group of drummers pounding the skins, and organizers now fear their inability to rein in the constant drumming will kill what support they've gotten and move the park's owners to ask police to clear them out. The occupation reached a compromise at its General Assembly on Monday night, with the drummers agreeing to limit their playing to four hours a day (from 12 p.m. to 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.), but it's not the first time the occupiers have reached an agreement on limiting the drumming, and the fear now is that neighbors, already skeptical of the camp's ability to regulate itself, will decide at Tuesday night's meeting of Community Board 1 that they can't put up with it any longer.

The Zuccotti encampment had passed a regulation on Oct. 13 to limit the drumming to two hours a day, but drummers ignored it. Some neighbors at a community board meeting last week expressed skepticism that the encampment could regulate its percussion section. As one "trusted friend and respected activist" explained to the literary magazine n+1, the community support is crucial to keeping police off the back of the encampment.

"At this point we have lost the support of allies in the Community Board and the state senator and city electeds who have been fighting the city to stave off our eviction, get us toilets, etc. On Tuesday there is a Community Board vote, which will be packed with media cameras and community members with real grievances. We have sadly demonstrated to them that we are unable to collectively 1) keep our space and surrounding areas clean and sanitary, 2) keep the park safe, 3) deal with internal conflict and enforce the Good Neighbor Policy that was passed by the General Assembly."

The city backed off a plan to clear protesters out of the park earlier this month, in part because the protesters had the support of local politicians and the community. If they lose that, Zuccotti Park owner Brookfield Office Properties would have far less political opposition to asking the police to clear the protesters out. The problem is, the drummers don't necessarily go along with the general assembly. "This may have been because the drummers did not attend the GA and therefore did not know a consensus had been reached. This sucks for the drummers," one organizer said at last week's community board meeting, according to Firedog Lake. A thread on the group's organizing website nycga.net calls the drummers "poisonous," and from the description n+1's source gave of one disruptive individual, that's pretty apt in some cases:


Read more: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/wall-street-occupiers-fear-drummers-will-be-their-undoing/44085/



Egos and personality conflicts posing a problem for OWS
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:57 AM
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1. You gotta be good neighbors if you want people to respect or follow you.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:45 PM
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69. Who is being a bad neighbor, though, the occupiers or people who want the occupation to stop
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 05:51 PM by No Elephants
and therefore insist on drumming?

If I cared enough about a movement to live in a park for weeks, would I jeopardize that movement by repeatedly breaking my agreements about drumming?

Would I even bring drums, knowing that drumming annoys neighbors almost as much as a car alarm going off?

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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:00 AM
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2. For the most part it has been going quite well I think
Just like with any group a few bad apples (for what ever reason ) can spoil the whole batch...I wonder how many truly outside agitators are there to put a kink in the works
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:03 AM
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3. It's always the drummers that wreck things.
:evilgrin:
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:17 AM
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9. At least they aren't keyboard players.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:39 AM
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20. Hey!!!! What's wrong with keyboard players???
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:40 AM by onpatrol98
:shrug:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:59 AM
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28. The piano IS a PERCUSSION instrument
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:17 PM
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42. What do you strike it with?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:32 PM
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45. In a real piano the player strikes the key and a hammer strikes the wire producing the note
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:34 PM
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46. You can save a step by striking the piano directly with a hammer
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:37 PM
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47. Destroying instruments is mindless...let musicians find utility with them. The piano IS a PERCUSSION
instrument, and a whole lot more...

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:43 PM
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49. So is a guitar



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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:20 PM
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52. LOL
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:57 AM
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27. Keyboard "demonstrators" jberryhill...
:hurts:

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:42 AM
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22. Don't "count US out" meanathing?
O8)

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:18 PM
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43. Yes.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:08 PM
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36. There was never a stuff-wrecker like Keith Moon, may he RIP
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:14 PM
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92. I beg to differ...
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:03 AM
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4. Classic problems with a non-structured movement
Its a public park for starters. To limit things otherwise allowed is going to be problematic. That includes music, media access, photography, drumming, smoking, etc. The reality is that the GA is not in charge and can not enforce anything. The minute it starts using force the movement is over.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:24 PM
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61. Technically, it's a private park whose owners allow access.
I find it difficult to believe that a good faith occupier is jeopardizing the occupation. '

I think the classic problem here are the false flag attempts to undermine the protest.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:34 PM
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65. I was speakingt to the movement in general
and when the GAs authorize force to be used on someone or a group that is not agreeing to something the movement will be over.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:40 PM
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68. I understood what you said.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:07 AM
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5. The drummers need to be shunned if they are a threat to the survival of
the tribe by their lack of common decency and respect for everyone else that is there to try to make a difference.

If their need to pound their skins is so overwhelming that they are willing to risk the continuation of the movement in order to satisfy themselves, maybe they should go get a room.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 02:32 PM
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85. First they came for the DRUMMERS...
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:08 AM
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6. people are so immature. especially performers.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 02:37 PM
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86. The whole world is but a "stage"-who in their right mind is "fearful of drummers", huh?
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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LittleGirl Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:09 AM
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7. I would be furious if I had to listen to NOISE
constantly. I'm glad to hear that they are agreeing to have limited usage of the drums. Being a good neighbor is most important to keeping people on your side.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:13 AM
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8. I love a good drum jam, but... CONSTANT drumming?
Why not schedule a daily drum jam... at sunset, maybe? A good, forty-five minute let-it-all-go jam? And then ask the drummers the rest of the time to kindly take it elsewhere if the wish to practice, so that those who want to sleep, talk, make other kinds of music, etc., can do so?

It's a COMMUNITY. The community needs to figure out a way to deal constructively with challenges like this. If they can do so, it's a good sign. If they let a challenge like this fracture them or generate conflict, well... not so much.

interestedly,
Bright
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:37 AM
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17. Relentless TB,...
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:19 AM
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10. And just who is this "trusted friend and respected activist"
Such a powerhouse activist that they must remain anonymous?

I smell propaganda.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:20 AM
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11. Now, come on, it's called OCCUPY Wall Street.

Yes, it must be peaceful, but not harmonious. People in the Occupy area are supposed to find it at least irritating. In the 18th century, the Tories were irritated, too. It's called a revolution.

If police move in, break up, then either move somewhere else close or move right back.

And that really disruptive "drummer" the article talks about: they should try to find out if she's actually a conservative provocateur. She sounds like she despises the people there and her attitude is sarcastic. I suspect she's there to ruin them. You know provocateurs have to be there, and it seems like she's doing exactly to things to do to destroy the Occupy movement. If they can identify her, it would do so much for the movement, and it might actually sway the council meeting.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:22 AM
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12. Someone once told me...if you want to drive your friends nuts, buy their kid a drum.
Kids are less likely to stay with their drums 24/7 too.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:38 AM
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18. lol
:freak:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:37 PM
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48. if you want to drive your neighbors nuts, buy your kid a drum
And then don't enforce any rules about how long or when to practice. Drumming is cool in small doses but after a while it is ONLY fun for the drummer and incredibly irritating for everyone else. I can't stand people who aren't considerate of those around them.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:24 AM
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13. You know what they call a guy who hangs out with musicians?
A drummer :rimshot: Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all week!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:40 AM
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21. A groupie...
:nopity:

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:11 PM
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37. How to get drummers to play more quietly
Put some sheet music in front of 'em! (ba-dump-bump) ... Recycled guitar player joke.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:34 PM
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62. What did the drummer get on his SAT's?


















Drool.














:P
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:25 AM
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14. Blocking should be based upon the expressed intent to leave the occupation & there should be
accountability for that intent.

This would multiply cells of occupation out of members who blocked & were the minority in any given decision.

"Problematic" behaviors would then become associated with specific supporting occupation cells, who would then make accountable decisions about incurring the consequences of their own behaviors, rather than distributing those consequences to occupiers in other cells who do not support the behavioral decision.

Dissenting cells then have to consensus-decide what their responses to the consequences that other cells incur will be. Witness? Document? Participate? based upon conditions inherent to the circumstances in which those consequences go down.

The principle here is that consensus does not mean that anyone makes others agree with you. Individuals do not force the group to be part of something the group does not want to be part of and the group does not force individuals to be part of something individuals do not want to be part of.

Everything should be defined and clarified up front and honestly, courses of action proposed and fully followed-though.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:39 AM
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19. IMHO, there would be no blocking other than blocking with intent to leave the occupation.
And I think this would actually be healthy for the movement, because properly done it would result in clarification and at least the potential for multiplying occupation cells.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:34 AM
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15. The Occupiers should just get together and smash the drums
Problem solved.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:35 AM
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16. I'm bobthedrummer and I endorse OWS! In fact I'm part of a OWS drum circle locally. K&R.
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:45 AM
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23. These must be drummer plants by TPTB
Yo, $40 bucks an hour to drum all day and piss on the side of buildings :P
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:49 AM
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24. drummers provocateurs!


The evil bongo strikes again!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Basswood layered floor tom, 14" diameter, honey-amber, Tama Rockstar...
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:54 AM
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25. I really have to ask why drumming...I'd go nuts if I was down there all day.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:56 AM by Historic NY
The city has enough noise pollution....maybe cause I'm older but some noise just gets to me quicker.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:01 PM
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31. the "drummers' union" is an informal but established characteristic of the counter-culture movement
that pre-dates OWS.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. pre-Ice age, you got it patrice...
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:13 PM
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39. Have also seen them in D.C. & NYC on several occasions prior to this.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:15 PM
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40. P.S. I love!!! them. & I love this movement. I hope they can co-exist. Everyone NEEDS to
shake their booty!!!
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sam11111 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:59 AM
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29. GA- ban all noisemaking. allow vocal speeches only
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 12:02 PM by sam11111
Neighbors have a point, GAssembly.

Four hours of drumming is a poor idea.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:36 PM
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66. Can the GA really do that?
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #29
88. It could be a lot worse
It could be a 4 hour bass solo!! :wow: :silly:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:01 PM
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30. Has it occurred to anybody that the drummers could be TRYING to cause a problem?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Say that slowly sister...
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:05 PM
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35. That is a possibility that makes blocking-with-intent-to-leave a valid necessity and, as I sketched
above, something that could potentially be healthy for the movement.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:03 PM
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32. We have that problem here...
Personally, I dont see the point and find it to be mildly annoying.

They are also requesting $8k to replace damaged drums from the OWS general fund too, correct
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:12 PM
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38. I would ask the drummers to quit for the good of the group.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:16 PM
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41. They should be forbidden to play in 4/4 or in any variation thereof
3 is fine, 5/4, 9/8, 6/8, whatever. Just no 4/4, cut time, etc. That would quiet things down pretty quick.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:35 PM
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58. What's 9/8
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 02:36 PM by dipsydoodle
Split jig ?

Diddly, diddly,diddly................
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:56 PM
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71. Zeimbekiko!
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:35 PM
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79. It typically has the feel of a "triplet waltz"
-- as though you'd taken 3/4 and made each beat into a triplet. A great example is, fittingly enough, "Blue Shadows in the Street" by Dave Brubeck from the 1961 album Time Further Out.

Of course, it's possible to just play a straight 9 without the triplet feel, but that's even less common. "Phallus C" by Osibisa is a nice example of this treatment.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:59 AM
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83. Good explanation here
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 05:03 AM by dipsydoodle
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
64. And only irrational time signatures after dusk
Once the sunsets, 3(sqrt(2))/pi time comes out!
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:31 PM
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44.  So... I'm guessing it's not cool drumming like this...
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:44 PM
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50. Could be worst. They could be mimes.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:18 PM
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93. Let the Mimes do the drumming. Problem solved.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:47 PM
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51. The drummers are what most people complain about. nt.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:34 PM
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53. Switch the drums for banjos!
The drums will be welcome instantly after about five minutes of that twack...
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:35 PM
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55. I was thinking of a polka band! nt
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:43 PM
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57. I'm thinkink more of a bagpipes and tubas jam.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:40 PM
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60. 'nuff of that
although I nearly posted something similar earlier. I was however deeply immersed in porn at the time : http://www.flesherbanjo.com/quadroon.html

Aside from which http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv171G3cfrI :rofl:

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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:35 PM
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54. There is always a few assholes ruining everything
These drummers are nothing more than attention whores.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:41 PM
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56. Spotted at OWS...
I guess the neighbors do have a point about the noise...

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:39 PM
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59. The drummers should go drum someplace else.
They seem to want to get arrested or removed from the property. That's their choice. But they should not force others to be arrested or removed from the property.

They are not acting in the spirit of this democratic movement.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:28 PM
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76. I don't get the protest drumming...
I mean, why? Is it just folks who love to drum seizing the opportunity to perform for people? Some of the drummers sound quite good, but I don't get what it has to do with protests. Is it just because they are loud and it is a means to drawing attention to what is going on? There is no way I could camp out anywhere where people are banging drums endlessly.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:21 PM
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94. I put up with endless drumming at Grateful Dead encampments.
For some reason I really liked it. I can't put my finger on it.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:50 PM
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63. WHY are there drummers there? I mean, are other instruments represented?
Is there a clarinet contingent? Mandolins? Kazoos?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:37 PM
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67. Bagpipes what OWS needs is bagpipes!!!
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:53 PM
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70. +1
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:16 PM
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72. +2..
squealing cats in a bag..........:smoke:

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:20 PM
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73. Not cowbell?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:22 PM
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74. Maybe, but only after we have our own pipe and drum corps
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:26 PM
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80. Spicy McHaggis!
Spicy was big, burly, and strong
His pipes were gigantic
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:25 PM
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75. Seriously - What is the POINT?
Whether you believe in the rights of the Drummers or the responsibility of limiting drumming for the sake of the neighbors, what purpose does drumming achieve at all? The goal of OWS is supposedly to bring awareness of the financial and political corruption issues of Wall Street, and to encourage discussion of the issues and their solution. What role does drumming address?
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:40 PM
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77. There is
a shamanistic aspect to drumming that should not and cannot be denied. But getting carried with big ego and being disrespectful of other people while drumming is also a serious issue. Balance.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:41 PM
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78. already the movement's....
....getting bogged-down and wallowing in the mundane....if you can't regulate and control drums, drummers and offensive noise within your ranks, how could you ever be expected to manage something serious and important?

"...drummers don't necessarily go along with the general assembly."...."...nycga.net calls the drummers 'poisonous,'..."

....no wonder why everyone hates drummers....they're noisy, offensive beasts....except for the Little Drummer Boy, of course....
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:32 AM
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81. Why can't the police remove JUST the drummers, for disturbing the peace?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:58 AM
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87. BANG!
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:55 AM
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82. Nice subtle attack.
took note of your comment.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 05:43 AM
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84. Do you deny human nature?
by definition OWS is a large tent movement - while everyone has the same ultimate goal, why is it unreasonable to assume that there may be disagreement on how to get there? Successful movements overcome such difficulties - failed ones don't.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:16 AM
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89. They need this
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:44 AM
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90. Give the drummer some!
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:01 PM
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91. "The drummers don't necessarily go along with the general assembly"
That's the problem. If you are governing yourself via a General Assembly, everyone needs to "go along" with it, or you will descend into bickering and chaos.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:00 PM
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95. odd posting error...
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 01:04 PM by Safetykitten
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