Obama Losing His Base

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Political Wire

A new Democracy Corps survey finds President Obama's approval rate down five points since August 40% with 53% saying they disapprove of the way he is handling his job.

Key finding: "The biggest drop-off has come among his broad base -- 79% of Democrats now say they approve of the President's job performance, the lowest in our tracking. The biggest decline has come from young people and minorities. Among minority voters, 63% now say they approve of the president's job performance, the lowest in our tracking. More significant is the drop-off among young people, who voted for the president by huge margins in 2008. Less than 40% of young people (under age 30) now say they approve of the President's performance, 54% disapprove. This is a significant drop since August when a majority of young voters (52%) approved of the way the president was handling his job, 42% disapproved. That is a net 26-point decline in two months."

Read more: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/10/25/obama_losing_his_base.html

[Arctic Dave]

1. This should be interesting.

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[Autumn]

2. Oh man

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[tblue]

3. You'll get flamed, if not blamed.

But these numbers don't surprise me. Not happy about this, but I am not at all surprised.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Why blame folks who have downtalked this President

since he was sworn in, 24/7? :shrug:

And anyway....blaming anyone won't alleviate the
suffering that will make what we are going through now look
like child's play.

I think some think it is all a game.....
and then soon enough, they'll realize what they were the ones who lost,
more even than they were willing to for the sake of their emotions.
But by then, it will be too fucking late.....and so it goes.

[defendandprotect]

90. Sure ... we're just blaming the victim -- !! ROFL

[Old and In the Way]

4. So will this base vote republican or stay home?

Not a chance.

[Autumn]

6. Some will stay home.

But vote republican? I don't know of a single Democrat who will vote for a puke.:shrug:

[jakeXT]

13. I bet those guys don't want to run against him

http://primaryobamanow.com/

[Autumn]

16. A primary for Obama is a moot point.

I don't know what your link goes to but in real life a lot of Democrats are disillusioned with him.

[defendandprotect]

92. Obama's corporate backing $$$ is the stumbling block -- !! All the more need for primary!!

[toddwv]

72. And then bitch for the next two years

after the Republicans keep their huge majority in the House AND take the majority in the Senate AND (longshot) take the White House.

Yeah, great plan. While I believe that the Democratic Party desperately needs new leadership, I'll take MOST of the current Dems over a t-party rep any day.

[Autumn]

83. Kind of sad that it has come

down to this. With the exception of one Senator here in CO I will vote any Dem,even if I have to hold my nose to do it.

[Xithras]

10. Are you serious?

History repeats itself, over and over again.

A look at history shows us that disillusioned voters usually stay home. They won't vote Republican, but the odds are decent that they won't vote at all. To assume that they won't is naivete. Election after election has demonstrated that there's only two ways to put together a winning ticket...get everyone to love you, or get everyone scared to death of the other guy.

Many, many months ago it was suggested that a Palin or Bachmann ticket would be the best thing we could hope for, because their brand of crazy would frighten many mainstream Democrats to the polls to vote, whether they wanted Obama or not. After hearing countless political conversations in recent months, I really don't know if Cain, or Romney, or Perry could ratchet up that same kind of fear. Are they bad for America? Of course. Are they bad enough to frighten people out of their homes on election day? For the average American who doesn't follow politics on a daily basis, that's questionable.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

Pat Robertson endorsed Romney.

That should tell you something.

[SkyDaddy7]

60. When?

Not saying he didn't but I heard/saw Pat almost have a same sex orgasm over Cain just last week. He was going on & on about what a good Christian he was in a way I swear was a not too slight of hint Cain is a true Christian unlike the other guy (Romney)

[UnrepentantLiberal]

64. No doubt Pat Robertson thinks Mitt Romney preys to the devil,

but he's pragmatic. He wants a Republican in the White House.

Pat Robertson: Mitt Romney an 'Outstanding Christian'
http://www.christianpost.com/news/pat-robertson-mitt-romney-an-outstanding-christian-57017/

Pat Robertson appears at Mitt Romney fundraiser
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60139.html

[UnrepentantLiberal]

dupe

[UnrepentantLiberal]

30. dupe

[auburngrad82]

31. That's what happened in 2010 and the stay at home voters gave the Tea Party the House

I don't care if you're disappointed that Obama hasn't been able to do everything he promised, if you stay home and give the election to the GOP you deserve what you get.

[ixion]

50. No, the crappy congress gave them the house

you have to blame the people in power for acting poorly, placing the blame where it belongs.

[Kurmudgeon]

66. The people elect the representatives, not Congress.

Staying at home is what gave us the GOP house and put Boehener, Cantor, McConell and company in the position of power they abused heartily to the point of damaging our nation's credit rating.
Get out and vote. damn it!

[ixion]

79. they stayed at home because the Dem majority was doing a crappy job

as I said.

If they had acted like populists the result would have been much different.

[defendandprotect]

93. Note this: Dem Party stance is now to "ignore the base of the party" ....

and that "populism and populist debate/discussions are the equivalent of Karl Rove

propaganda of extremism" -- !!!

That's according to Jonathan Cowan, Pres. Third Way, the successor to DLC/Koch Bros. --

and that was said two weeks ago on C-span Washington Journal!!

That's where the Dem Party is NOW .... after more than 20 years of Koch Bros. DLC

infiltration and influence over the party and its agenda -- and its candidates!!



Meanwhile, further to your point re populism, the message of OWS and the masses in the

streets is that the two party duopoly is over -- and so is capitalism.

We need to draft someone to oppose Obama in 2012!!

That would keep the huge liberal voting bloc together -- !!

[DonCoquixote]

124. Yes

but all people did by staying home was AFFIRM the idea that people will ONLY VOTE FOR RIGHT WINGERS. Congress stays right wing because right wing GETS the VOTES. If you do nto vote, yes, you ARE a part of the problem.

[Nay]

54. Actaully, the lower vote % was entirely due to the fact it was an off-season

election -- the numbers weren't lower than usual for an off-season election.

[No Elephants]

58. 2006 was not a Presidential election, either, yet Democrats practically swept.

So, the number of voters is one thing and the result of the election is a separate issue.

The term is "mid term election, not off season election.

[defendandprotect]

94. Remember '06? Pelosi on video ... "Dems were elected to end the war!" -- !!! Ouch!!

[rhett o rick]

70. You dont get it. The reason that OWS is in the streets are because they recognized that they dont

have a voice in the government. That includes Pres Obama. Your threat that things could be worse is just sick. Things are terrible or havent you been paying attention. It's time for action. The revolution is here.

[defendandprotect]

95. YES .... YES ... !!! Exactly -- the 2 party duopoly is over -- !! Revolution is here -- !!!

Obama is over -- and so is capitalism!!


:hi:


Holidays are coming -- Occupy Thanksgiving everywhere?

How can we daily support these Occupiers -- do they have places where we can

leave e-mail messages?

I'd be happy to send a check to support for food, etal -- but only see links to use

credit cards?



Terrific post! :)

[Le Taz Hot]

125. 1) The TeaKlan wasn't in full-sheet mode yet

and, in the end, won almost no elections which means they never had any power in the first place and 2) there has never been any evidence that progressives stayed home in 2010. Just because they didn't cast unthinkiong, blind-devotion votes to the Democrats does not mean they stayed home.

[sabrina 1]

48. They won't stay home, imo. Things are changing and

people realize more than ever, that Congress is where the changes have to be made first. They may or not vote for one Presidential candidate or the other, but if they truly want to change things, and I believe the OWS movement, which continues to grow worldwide, shows they do, they will focus on Congress this time.

A simple way to choose who is more likely to represent the people is to publish lists of who is a Wall Street Candidate. Their donations reveals that to a great extent. Voters hopefully will be better informed this time as more and more are becoming aware of how the system has worked.

If Wall Street Reps can be removed from Congress and replaced with the People's Reps, then who is in the WH won't matter all that much. At which point it's probably best to vote for the Dem who is likely to throw some crumbs to the people.

[No Elephants]

63. Electiom fraud, like vote caging and Diebold (now Premier Election Systems)

ensure that people's representatives will never fill Congress. Ditto the corporate media, the cost of winning elections and people like the Koch crime family.

[defendandprotect]

96. For too long we have failed to TARGET those acting for elites .... big job now -- !!

Agree - we need lists and need to work together --

but mainly think we need to primary Obama in 2012!!

[caseymoz]

11. They won't admit it here, certainly.

But I have read blogs that have said they will stay home or vote Republican. The reason: they don't want the Democratic Party to be blamed when it runs the country into the ground.

[RKP5637]

23. You know, I will vote, and I will vote for Obama, but I wish there had

been primary contenders, because I think the democratic party is way off base and going in the wrong direction. I think the next presidential term is going to be financial hell, and I think America is going into another recession.

The democratic party will win I think in 2012, and also be blamed for the coming economic mess. I just don't see what is coming to turn this economy and the unemployment situation around. In the big picture the SOS is being done to try to fix it ... we are using 19th and 20th century tools for the 21st century. It's an entirely new ball game now, and we aren't hacking it. And the republicans, they will drive the country right off the cliff in just about every way possible.

Bold steps need to be taken, and frankly I don't see anyone doing that.

[defendandprotect]

98. We can still challenge Obama in 2012 -- keep talking about it -- pushing for it -- !!

[RKP5637]

100. +1000 +++ n/t

[defendandprotect]

97. That's ridiculous ... people on the LEFT are not going to vote for the RW .... !!!

:eyes:

[caseymoz]

112. Here's a link that says you're wrong.

And no, it's not my blog:

http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/439805.html

"In 2010, 2012, and maybe even 2014, I'll show up at the polls to vote for Governor Jay Nixon again as needed, and the same for Senator Claire McCaskill, because I still believe in both of them. Everywhere else on the ballot, I'm voting Republican. Not in spite of the fact that I know they're wrong, but specifically because I know that they're wrong.

"Republican military, foreign policy, and economic principles are wrong. They cannot lead to anything but military disgrace, foreign policy pariahship, ecological disaster, and economic collapse on the level of the Great Depression or worse. But right now, those aren't seen by the public as Republican principles. They're seen as "bi-partisan" principles, because the Democratic Party is entirely dominated by people who agree with Republican principles, they just want them implemented in a slightly friendlier way. When those principles are seen to fail, as they have been being seen to have failed ever since the dot-com bubble burst of 2000, the al Qaeda attacks of 2001, the disastrous Iraq War of 2003, and the real estate investment bubble burst of 2007, I absolutely 100% want to make sure that it is the Republicans who get blamed for it."

And there are people who respect him, and others who think like him.

[FrenchieCat]

14. Many will stay home......

Because they are juvenile and don't really give a shit one way or the other....
they just like to play like they care.

[Andy823]

32. Yes I agree

And then if the republicans win, they will bitch and complain about it, even though them NOT voting was the same as voting for a republican! We went through that last year, and if people can look at what happened, at state levels and national when republicans took control of the house, and see just how bad it would be to NOT vote this year, then those people don't have a clue as to what is going on, and what will happen if republicans take control of this country again!

NOT voting should NOT be an option, period! I am sure the same people, right wing trolls and Obama haters, who promoted staying home last year will be back again doing the same BS this year, but lets just hope that people have learned their lesson and don't pay any attention to them!

[FrenchieCat]

38. If only they cared as much as they pretend to......

then, we'd have an awesome nation...

But they don't, and hope others don't as well,
which is why they are so negative and always looking for the worse


Wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with one of those....tell you that!

[occupyeverywhere]

41. Are you in the military?

[FrenchieCat]

42. Why?

[occupyeverywhere]

43. You are talking about spending time in foxholes

with imaginary people.

[FrenchieCat]

46. And?

[No Elephants]

28. Some young people may stay home. As a demographic, they don't turn out at the polls.

[totodeinhere]

76. What does it say about the Democratic Party that it's most loyal voting block in terms of age

has the lowest percentage of voter participation? Then on the other hand the most loyal Republican age group, older voters, have the highest percentage of participation.

[defendandprotect]

99. For more than 30 years, they've been discouraging the liberal vote ... !!

This isn't something that began to happen in 2000!! Been going on for long time

by agreement between both parties -- to limit the populist discusions/debates!

And now it's official policy of Dem Party per Jonathan Cowan, Pres. Third Way --

the successor to Koch Bros. funded DLC! Saw Cowan on C-span two weeks ago and

he related that Third Way policy/stance is that "the base of the party is to be ignored" --

and that "populism or populist discussion/debate is the equivalent of Karl Rove propaganda

of extremism!" --

Got that?


:puke:


The major thing the two parties are most anxious to have happen is that the nominees

be finalized so THEN CAN BEGIN TO RAISE FUNDS!!

That's the huge issue for both parties -- and of course DU will also be anxious to do

their fund raising for Dems!

[totodeinhere]

101. But the older conservative base of the GOP is also being ignored.

Republicans do not work in the best interest of their own base anymore than they work in anyone's interest. Yet the older demographic keeps voting for them anyway. So even if the Democrats are ignoring their base, why doesn't it turn out to vote in the same percentage that the GOP base does?

[defendandprotect]

103. The majority of registered voters everywhere are Democrats ---

Where are Repugs being ignored?

It's the business party and they are making pro-corporate decisions --

Wealthy Repugs are getting huge tax breaks -- how are they being ignored?

Was Obama extending tax cuts for the rich for $120 BILLION that we had to turn

around and BORROW ... ignoring the GOP base?


And, as long as we are all voting on computers, who in the hell actually

knows who may be voting for anyone?

Again, the Repug voters are fewer in number, wealthier --

and in the case of the Religious Right Fundies they do represent, more fanatical.

But I'd guess that in large part the GOP controls them and finances them -- as they

have in the past. That does create loyal voters!


PLUS, the RW is politically violent as we've seen out in the open over the past 50 years

and more -- and they steal elections.


I'd question every election back to Nixon/Humphrey -- the voting computers began to come

in during the late 1960's --

And, the LARGE computers used by MSM which gave them new powers to predict and call elections

beginning in 1965 were used in 2000 to REVERSE their new powers and to RECALL Florida from

Gore to Bush!

[jwirr]

35. I agree but they are a very smart group who when asked about

their approval tell the truth. IMO they identify strongly with the people who are taking part in OWS and it is their world that is being lost. As to voting - I think they are also too smart to stay home and let the rethugs take it all back.

[No Elephants]

61. Their turning out for Obama was atypical. Staying home is the typical

behavior for that demographic.

They came out because Obama inspired and motivated them, not because they were voting against Republicans or voting for the lesser of two evils.

I hope you're right because, IMO, staying home is bad, bad behavior for a citizen, second worst only to voting Republican. I'd rather see someone write in or vote third party than either stay home or vote Rethug.

As a Holocaust survivor (imprisoned at age 6) told me when I was very young, "He who is lucky enough to have a franchise should use it."

[defendandprotect]

104. Largely agree with you, but times are changing ... voters understand their votes are being ignored .

the will of the people is being ignored -- and Obama is one of the greatest

examples of that happening as he has moved from his campaign mode to the side

of Koch Bros. DLC Rahm Emmanuel and his Wall St. team -- among many other

decisions that are pro-corporate and anti-democracy as we saw from his attack

on FOIA again today!

As I know you know, this is why people have moved to the streets -- Obama/Dems

are ignoring the will of the people -- and it is now set policy of Third Way/Dems

to do just that!


The message from the streets is that government has been made dysfunctional by

elite/corporate money -- the two party duopoly is over -- and so is capitalism.


They want to move on to something better -- and it certainly isn't to anything on the right!!

We need a primary challenger in 2012 -- !!

[pscot]

40. Young people simply won't vote

Independents have already bailed in large numbers. It's hard to believe the Administration couldn't see this coming.

[defendandprotect]

105. Give them something to vote FOR -- and they will vote -- !!!

[Skittles]

81. a LOT of disillusioned voters stay home

only the very politically savvy suck it up, hold their nose and vote AGAINST someone

[defendandprotect]

91. This huge liberal voting bloc should get together and decide what to do -- like primary 2012!!

This base is anti-Obama and anti-the RW which is where Obama has been taking us -- !!

We're looking for a liberal, humanist candidate --

and an end to this president and his corporate agenda -- !!

[H2O Man]

102. There are more

choices than that. It seems curious when people pretent that these are the only two options.

[Old and In the Way]

121. I see 4 options.

(1) Vote Obama
(2) Vote Republican
(3) Vote 3rd Party
(4) Don't vote

Am I missing any other options? From that list, only option (1) doesn't help option (2). Of course, I fully expect another 3rd Party campaign to happen in 2012 and I'm sure it will be designed to appeal to the voters who are frustrated with Obama's record. I only hope a 4th Party campaign develops to the Republican right to neutralize this advantage.

I think a strong Tea Party block that splits the Republicans vote could pave the way for a similar fracture in the Democratic part. We could see 5 political blocks - extreme Right / moderate Republican - Independents - moderate Democrat / extreme Left. Long term, that might further a more progressive agenda in Democratic politics in the same way that today's Republican Party is moving right to appeal to their extreme conservative base. However, I'm not willing to take the risk that this will happen, with my vote in 2012. If the Republicans are crushed in 2012 because they've morphed into 2 separate political entities, I'll be much more open to start realigning my vote with a more progressive Party in future elections. But the other guys have to go first.

In the meantime, as always, the fight will still be for the largest block of voters - the Independents. Which way will they vote in 2012? I think a fairly substantial % of these voters are apolitical who don't identify with either party and really don't pay that much attention until the week before the election. If I'm correct in this observation, it's still way too early to really predict how the election will go and their collective decision will be based on how the economy is doing at that time...and who they'll assign the blame or the credit to it.

[dtexdem]

5. I thought he'd already lost it. He certainly has lost me.

But, yeah, I'll vote for him -- nothing else, though.

[jwirr]

37. Do you still vote in Texas elections? And if so why? I does not seem

to me that Democrats are very successful in Texas. How can you not vote in the general election if you still have enough hope to vote in the state elections?

[RKP5637]

7. I know on DU a lot of people seem to love his performance, but around

here I'm hard pressed to find many democrats that are happy with his performance. Most, are PO'ed with his relationship with wall street, the banksters and large corporations. The feeling is we're going along as usual while millions in this country are disadvantaged by the system. Many think the dems screwed up greatly when congress and the presidency was dem.

[Atypical Liberal]

8. I heard a good statement the other day:

Democrats and Republicans are both bought and paid for by corporate interests. They just pander to different demographics.

[RKP5637]

15. That's so very true. Frankly, I don't see how it could be different. A bribed

congress, SCOTUS that makes strange decisions, such as Citizens United. The growing wealth gap. And a bunch of highly monied politicians campaigning constantly for their lifelong political careers and benefits. And a corporate/congressional/lobbyist revolving door. In fact some of them, the only way you'd know the difference is to ask to see their DNC or RNC party card.

[woo me with science]

65. Yup, and really, this is what people do when they don't have a good choice anymore.

What do you do when nobody will represent you?

They will throw the bums out, and then throw the next bums out, and then throw the next bums out, until someone steps up who will listen.

Support OWS.

[Atypical Liberal]

67. I do.

I have participated in the Occupy Huntsville movement.

[woo me with science]

73. Thank you for going out there.

We need every one of the 99 percent! :toast:

[FrenchieCat]

9. Good luck then, to all!

:hi:
Seeing a bunch of folks without noses on their face could be quite funny....
but how devastating it will be is something else.

Politics is emotional....and some folks put their emotions in front of common sense....

Personally, I already knew that as a country we were damn stupid....
but how stupid will be seen soon enough. :shrug:

[frylock]

52. and some folks put their emotions in front of common sense..

every single one of your posts epitomizes that sentiment.

[FrenchieCat]

53. I vote....and I vote Democratic.....

Because at the end of the day,
elections have consequences that can be felt
by real people.

As a realist, I support politicians who can be elected
and offer up real solutions, as they combat infinite whining,
24/7 propaganda news, and just plain hate.

My only goal is to further progress....
To make life for most people better than it is,
although not perfect.

That's common sense, period.

[Skittles]

82. IGNORE is your friend, frylock!

:D

[UnrepentantLiberal]

dupe

[FrenchieCat]

18. Thanks for reminding me......

[Autumn]

21. Opps sorry I forgot

K/R

[Enthusiast]

25. Me too.

President Obama should not have betrayed these people by extending the Bush tax cuts and pushing free trade deals.

[russspeakeasy]

33. Agreed.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

17. Well, well, well, what do we have here?

Net recommendation: 0 votes (Your vote: +1)

[XemaSab]

44. Must be a bug in the system

I got the same message. :shrug:

[tcaudilllg]

19. He's tone deaf, so no surprise.

[caseymoz]

20. But . . . he'll win.

I don't like him, but that's what I think. He got bin Laden. He's pulling us out of Iraq. Even if the economy is still tanked in November 2012 there's a good chance he'll be able to hang the blame on Republicans, as long as he keeps pushing his jobs bill and they keep blocking it.

Moreover, if all goes right, public sympathy will switch significantly to the Occupy movement provided they can keep it up and keep it peaceful.

Plus, all possible Republican opponents are regarded more negatively than Obama, are stupid and totally gaffe-prone, with the exception of Romney and Repub & Independent voters have the same problem with him as the left does with Obama. And they will stay home, guaranteed.

[Scuba]

22. He can move left, now, dramatically, or a whole lot of People...

... who voted for him in 2008 will stay home in 2012.

Many on the left feel he has "sold out" or "abandoned his constituents". I very much worry that he could lose.

[defendandprotect]

106. Why have Obama fake to the left again now? Would you believe him?

Obama unmasked himself -- and there is no going back now -- it's over.

[CarmanK]

24. Young people won't be able to vote, if repugs have their way!

And minorities will be wiped out in some states if Holder doesn't do his job. so, how can it matter if the young and minorities are not favorable toward Obama. This country is in a great struggle for democracy survival, and you either want the TPARTY NATION TO PREVAIL with Grover Norquist, Murdogs and Kochroaches in charge or you do not. There is a big difference between the dems and the repugs. With dems we the people really have a chance to SAVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL democracy, or the repugs who are interested in an oligarchy in charge by default. WHICH WILL IT BE??

[FrenchieCat]

26. Same polll heralded by the usual suspects here reads.....

The President’s approval rating has dropped to 40 percent—the lowest in our tracking. But voters have pulled back more sharply from the Republicans; two-thirds now disapprove of the Republican Congress, almost half (48 percent) disapprove strongly.

Republicans in Congress are being held accountable for the mess in Washington. Less than a year after they made big election gains, voters have pulled back sharply.

On our thermometer scale, voters give chilly ratings all around. Everyone has dropped substantially, but support for the Republican Congress has completely disintegrated. More than half of all voters give these Republicans a negative rating, with a mean rating under 40 degrees. With House Republicans getting a remarkable 65 percent disapproval, the race for Congress is now dead even, after Republicans won by 8 points in 2010.

To be sure, Democrats do not fare much better—mean thermometer ratings for both Democrats in Congress and the Democratic Party have dropped 2 points since August. But perhaps it is a luxury to be party out of power. Across the board, Republicans are taking a much bigger hit from voters—with the both the Republican Party and its major figures rating lower than the Democratic Party and its leaders. Importantly, voters in Democratic districts do not find their incumbents as culpable for the mess as voters in Republican-held districts. As a result, the mean thermometer rating for Democratic incumbents has increased slightly, while Republican incumbents have dropped an average of 5 points.
http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2011/10/occupy-politics/

[grantcart]

27. "lost his base"

From the article

79% of Democrats now say they approve of the President's job performance.

When you have record high approval ratings then a small decline is to be expected.

Gallup's weekly poll shows the same 79%, unmoved over the last 5 months.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

In no corner of the rational universe does any informed observer see a steady 79-80% approval from your own party as evidence of a leader "Losing his base".

In the skewed world of DU however such nonsense will be raised to the top of the flag poll.

Don't be surprised if the factually unsupported title of this OP gets 200 recs.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Folks who are supposed to "care" so much to the point of where they are sooo pissed.....

at Obama.

Yep....They care soooo much, they are willing to sell all of us down the river,
exactly like Republicans are willing to sell the nation down the river to
make Obama a one termer.

They should join forces...cause in the end, they are very much alike.

[No Elephants]

34. 79% of Democrats is a high number. However, young people were instrumental in his 2008 victory and

I don't know that any candidate can afford to lose a percentage of votes in purple states.

I still think he'll win.

As Jon Stewart says, "I can't emphasize this enough: No one likes Romney." I think more Republicans than Democrats will stay home.

[No Elephants]

36. I don't get it. Why did the last two months discourage them?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

39. OWS

They're better informed.

[defendandprotect]

107. Agree -- and also leads to the "Ooooh ... factor" ---

People begin to recognize how many people feel the same way they do -- !!

It's not their imaginations, it a load of BS !!!

[XemaSab]

45. I don't see that number going anywhere but down

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

47. !

:bounce:

At the end of the day, there will be an election on November 6, 2012,
and there will be a loser and a winner.....That's what I see.

I simply hope enough aren't so fucking crazy to choose tantrum spite over brains.


The biggest shift against the Republicans has come from independents, who are increasingly turned off by what they see and hear out of Washington. According to exit polls, Republicans won independents last November by a 19-point margin. Their advantage had narrowed to 17 points in August. Strikingly, Republicans are now winning independents by just 7 points. Seniors have also pulled back from these Republicans in big numbers. In last November’s exit polls, Republicans won seniors by a 21-point margin. This advantage has completely disappeared, with the vote among seniors now basically even (45-46.)
http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2011/10/occupy-politics/

[ieoeja]

86. Given the "I'm not a Republican, but" tactic, a 7% lead among self defined Independants is negative.

A hefty percentage of those claiming to be Independant have voted straight Republican tickets their whole lives.

[defendandprotect]

110. ...and if we're still voting on computers, who the hell could say who is really voting for X or Y???

[defendandprotect]

109. Obama is going down because of his corporate agenda ... no one is going to vote for the RW ...!!

Certainly not the huge liberal voting bloc -- and certainly not independents who

recognize that Obama is a corporate president!

[zipplewrath]

51. Alot of "missing the point" here

Look at the data and consider the underlying point.

"People under 30" is a fairly narrow group. Only people between 21 and 29 were even eligible to vote the last time around. Those who were between 27 and 30 last time aren't included in this poll. So this drop in support is amongst folks who were between 18 and 27 last time around.

The suggestion here is that he "needs" this group to win again. Could be, but it's also a bit wrong to presume that this group will go and vote for the GOP. Truth is, considering the general turn out in that age group, even those still supporting him may have an "enthusiasm" gap and not show up to vote. Again, it doesn't mean they'll vote GOP.

The GOP also has their troubles. Romney could alienate baggers and bigots, they won't vote for Obama, they'll just stay home. The latino vote is also important and they don't seem to be trending GOP.

The poll suggests WHAT the issue is, but doesn't really indicate WHY. There are explanations that go way beyond anything Obama has done, including the fact that the younger set has been hit particularly hard by the recession. There's also the reality that they elected a "rock star" and that's hard to sustain as president.

The data is interesting, and shouldn't be ignored. But one should not extrapolate it too far either.

[secondwind]

56. I agree, and folks will say they are unhappy for him, but in the end they will vote for him anyway

[and-justice-for-all]

55. I dont think so...media BS..nt

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[treestar]

69. I've noticed a consistent postings about Obama losing

this or that group of voters.

[rhett o rick]

71. No only on liberals. Freddie is a blue dog. nm

[totodeinhere]

77. How is posting a poll a "snide attack?" Or are we only allowed to post polls whose results we like?

n/t

[Demeter]

59. Did he look under the bus?

[treestar]

68. Disapproval this week is not losing

them necessarily.

No one has to approve all the time.

[goforit]

74. ROFLMAO...... This is a given

[Malikshah]

75. Again? Is this going to be a weekly doom and gloom Glumrock??? What am I saying...of course

some thrive on negativity and bringing bad news and making sure people don't forget it.

C'mon.

[classysassy]

78. To replace Obama with any of the ladies and gentlemen

in the republicans party in my opinion is a huge mistake.President Perry,oh my lets hope not.

[Skittles]

80. is this from last year?

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. The poll was conducted October 15-18:

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2011/10/occupy-politics/

[CRK7376]

85. He hasn't

lost me or my wife and son...We will be voting for him again. Disappointed he hasn't been able to accomplish all he planned or tried, of couse, but we still support him and he's so much beeter than any of the Repugs potential candidates...

[The Stranger]

87. Where the fuck are they going to go?

Eight years of Rick Perry? I think I would prefer electing Satan himself (Satan, if you're out there, throw your hat in the ring and run for the GOP nomination).

How about batshit nuts Bachmann and Santorum? That sleazy chameleon Romney (who could stand for absolutely anything)?

[defendandprotect]

111. You're saying people annoyed with Obama pro-corporate agenda are going to move to GOP -- ?? ???

Whaaaaaaaaaat????


ROFL


You think the OWS people are going to vote for Repugs?

What we need are challengers from the LEFT -- soon!!

[rorschach1620]

114. Romney

Romney wouldn't be so bad, if the GOP didn't lose it's mind: tea party.

[defendandprotect]

115. Whaaaat ... ???? ROFL

[rorschach1620]

116. He's very nearly a moderate

He closed corporate tax loopholes and practically invented Obama care. If every Republican was like him, society would be a better place.

[defendandprotect]

117. And what did you think Obama was when you voted for him?

Do you really want to encourage the GOP?

Who do you want for a VP with Romney -- Boehner?

YIKES!

I'm presuming you want to encoruage a move to the LEFT? Voting for the RW won't

do that!

[rorschach1620]

118. I am encouraging a movement for the left

I'm going to vote for Obama. But as far as republicans go now, Mitt Romney as governor of Massachusetts is a liberal. But I guess the tea party is a good thing because they are destroying the chance for a GOP president. So maybe we should encourage republicans to move further right.

[defendandprotect]

119. How can you vote for Obama's corporate agenda .....

if you want to encourage movement to the left?

Voting for the "lesser evil" over the past decades hasn't ever done anything but

move the party and Congress further to the RIGHT!


What I'm saying to about Romney is he may look like a Massachusetts liberal but he's worth

$250 million and I don't think he's giving it away? Don't know how much coporate money he

took to run as Governor, but he'd need a lot of it to run for president. And, he'll take it!

So -- what you need to ask is who will Romney sell himself to in order to become president?


Who did Obama sell himself to?


What we need are two candidates who aren't pre-bribed and pre-owned by corporations --

Two candidates who are strongly anti-war -- and strongly for MEDICARE4ALL --

Those two issues alone would put America back on here feet -- and would produce jobs here.

From there we could begin to look at the environmental damage that has been done by

corporations -- with permission given by our members of Congress!!


Global Warming is the biggest threat to us -- many don't know that there was a 50 year gap

in our feeling the effects of it -- iow, we're only now beginning to feel the effects of

human activity on the planet up to about 1960!!


Additionally, Global Warming is bringing increasing earthquakes due to melting of the glaciers

which is changing pressures on tectonic plates --

This is why government in Fukushima wanted to shut down their reactors 5-6 years ago!

The age of the reactors -- built only for 7.1 earthquakes -- and increasing seismic activity

being reported by the Japanese scientists.


We will have more earthquakes and more severe earthquakes and need to be thinking of shutting

down our nuclear reactors -- about 103 across America. May make the difference between

"a whimper or a bang" -- !!


Meanwhile Obma's is pushing more oil drilling -- and a new generation of nuclear reactors in

America!


:nuke:

[Doctor_J]

123. I think you just coined the president's re-election slogan!

:woohoo:

[ProSense]

88. This poll is odd:

<...>

- The presidential ballot is even. While Obama has improved his standing among independent voters, the biggest pull-back from Barack Obama has come from his base—mostly young people and minorities.

<...>

The biggest drop-off has come among his broad base—79 percent of Democrats now say they approve of the President’s job performance, the lowest in our tracking. The biggest decline has come from young people and minorities. Among minority voters, 63 percent now say they approve of the president’s job performance, the lowest in our tracking. More significant is the drop-off among young people, who voted for the president by huge margins in 2008. Less than 40 percent of young people (under age 30) now say they approve of the President’s performance, 54 percent disapprove. This is a significant drop since August when a majority of young voters (52 percent) approved of the way the president was handling his job, 42 percent disapproved. That is a net 26-point decline in two months.

<....>

Seniors, who gave Romney an advantage in August, have begun to desert the Republican front-runner, who is now losing these voters by a 3-point margin. More dramatically, Romney was winning 52 percent of independent voters in August; he is now at 45 percent with this key bloc. His biggest drop has come among independent women—who swung for Romney by a 22-point margin in August. Obama is now winning independent women by 2 points.

But Obama is also at 45 percent—winning only 85 percent of those who voted for him in 2008. More significant is the bloc of voters who now withhold support from both candidates. Since August, the number of voters volunteering that they will vote for neither Obama nor Romney has doubled.

<...>

So the President has a 79 percent approval among Democrats, has improved among independents, is winning seniors, independent women, and 85 percent of those who voted for him?

How does that register as losing his base? Given the numbers above, it almost appears that the skew was among young people who either lean right or didn't vote for the President.

[Akoto]

89. While these folks help build the theocratic empire of Perry/Cain ...

I will get my crippled ass outta bed and hobble down to the voting booths, where I will vote in my best interest - for the guy whose party doesn't want to obliterate the social programs keeping people like me alive.

Get some fucking perspective. Yes, he's done things wrong, but listen to what the opposition is saying. If you think that sounds like it'd serve you better, I can't help you.

[underpants]

108. We don't think he has done enough.

[unkachuck]

113. folderol....

....every Dem knows, if you lie down with Republicans you wake up with bad numbers....

[red dog 1]

120. "26 Point Decline In Two Months"......Pot Raids & Other Broken Promises?

[ratsrats]

122. Yep.

That's what happens when you try to emulate Bush.

[wordpix]

126. call me part of the minority base, too---I'm an environmentalist

and the president has not done a good job on this front.