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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:55 PM Original message |
‘Bundlers’ for Obama Have Active Ties to Lobbying |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. raise your hand if this surprises you lol nt |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Elizabeth Warren takes money directly from Corporate Lobbyist... |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. As per your OWN ARTICLE: |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
56. The linked article states that Warren took a $1000 |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. One donation from one individual versus MILLIONS bundled by professional bribery artists? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Like ZOMG!11!1(ones)... Fundraisers for political candidate may actually want to influence policy?! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. change we can believe in |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "How's That Hopey-Changey Stuff Working Out For Ya?" |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 05:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter! Circle D is moving the goal posts! |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 05:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I was responding to the poster's echoing of Palin's famously pedestrian snark. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
61. Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
59. Revised: Change We Can Make Believe In. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. despite a pledge not to take money from lobbyists |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. These |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Hehe, "Obama spurs growth of new industry" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Maybe that's part of his job creation plan. |
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kimsarah (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's what I thought too |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I intended that as a joke, but I like your points. Have some ideas off the top of my head. |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. Here's hoping that the OWS Movement, will spur a new party... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Wonder how long it takes for a new political party to become corrupt? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. In all honesty, it's corrupt before it even begins... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
68. There is much territory between pristine and corrupt, man. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
76. Funny. I gave cash--well several credit card payments--to Obama and I am not |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yeh |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. Seriously, how the f*ck is he supposed to win if he can't raise money using all methods? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Money is the problem, and in the meantime |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. Even Elizabeth Warren is taking lobbyist money! |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Elizabeth Warren took $1,000 |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
78. And DU rationalizes taking ad $$$ from GOP candidates |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Yes, but Obama is a hypocrite for berating candidates who took lobbyist's money in 2008. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Absolutely! |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Exactly right. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
88. Meantime until what? Capitalism ends? We go to a barter system? |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What Obama has done was unthinkable to me in 2008. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
84. If Romney puts his hands on Obama, though, the Secret Service will decide the election. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. And so the thing is to relate to money the same way the side we hate does? |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. No. The thing to do is eliminate the money in politics. Soon. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. When is a lobbyist for Obama not a lobbyist? When they operate undercover, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
87. No, a lobbyist is never a lobbyist when it's Obama to whom they are donating. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
86. Soon? LOL! Good luck getting a Constitutional amendment passed soon. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. A hint: Some here don't want him to win. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. A hint: Some here want him to be honest. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Right on cue. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Honesty's the best policy. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I guess Elizabeth Warren taking lobbyist money does not matter... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Warren hasn't yet betrayed the living fuck out of us after being elected. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
89. $1000 from a company she's fought tooth and nail? Come on, now. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
63. No, some here think that he was full of crap in 2008 and even more so now. |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. translation |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Obama is not more progressive than Hillary, that is a fallacy. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Aww... |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Nope and not necessarily. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Your choice. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Well, presidents come and presidents go. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Perhaps we'll start a "Repeal the 22nd Amendment" movement, for the sole purpose of tormenting you.. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Nahhh.......... |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
97. Yep |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Are you kidding????? |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
80. Obama should refuse all money and just run naked! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Are you familiar with The Emperor's New Clothes fable? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
13. Obama needs to stop selling himself and government to corporations/elites -- !! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. An Obama bundler was involved in Solyndra. |
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kimsarah (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
19. Yessiree |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I know I must admire someone he hired since he was elected. |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
20. Don't hate the playa |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. No playas, no game. Someone has to be the first to stop. And didn't he brag |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Maybe we can donate fairy dust |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You forgot the pony. Sorry, your opinion does not = reality. |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Arguable |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. All matters of opinion are arguable. And it is very important to know the difference |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. That word |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
55. And yet . . . |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Yes indeed.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Apparently, everything Obama does is, by definition, the best thing . |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. The first to stop? Many have stopped taking money! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Never hearing of someone hardly applies to an incumbent President. |
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stillrockin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
28. I am SHOCKED! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:28 AM Response to Original message |
30. Not all lobbyists are created equal. The Sierra club uses lobbyists. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Those organizations register their lobbyists and do not raise money off the books, so to speak. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You know that for a fact? n/t |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yes I do. You got any evidence to the contrary? Thought not. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. I'm not trashing Sierra Club. I'm FOR the Sierra Club |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
82. Yet you demanded proof they were not raising money off the books |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. No. I disagree with you that Obama in raising money in a shady way. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
73. Yep, Hillary made that point in 2008. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
83. The short answer is "maybe" and the long answer would take more time than I care to |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. I agree wtih you about taking money out of politics |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
31. Obama's unctuous rhetoric simply drove lobbyists to "unregister" before donating. |
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HowHeThinks (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
34. Hey, he's a politician.......... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
93. Believe it or not, all politicians do not say things over and over and then do the opposite |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
47. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
49. unrecc. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
50. Only those who complained about it in 2008 get to complain now. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #50 |
92. Is there a loophole for the naive? |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
51. Sanity check: The Other Side will raise $1 Billion from undisclosed sources... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
52. I was naive about Washington until I went to work there directly after college. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
57. OWS knows |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
60. Wasn't he the candidate who promised not to take money from lobbyists? |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
64. the bundlers are in many ways indistinguishable ... |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
98. Why I'm shocked! Shocked I say! |
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