Ron Paul On Elizabeth Warren: 'She's A Socialist'

[meegbear]

Source: HufingtonPost.com

Texas Rep. Ron Paul called Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren a "socialist" Tuesday in a series of Republican presidential candidate interviews hosted by ABC News and Yahoo!.

Warren drew attention earlier this fall for a video of her speaking to supporters refuting Republican arguments that Democrats were waging "class warfare."

She said: "No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own -- nobody." She said even a factory owner who became wealthy used public goods like roads, police and fire, and public education. She added: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

ABC News' Terry Moran asked Paul why Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren was wrong in her comments. "Because she's a socialist," said the libertarian-leaning House member. He added, "her whole argument is absolutely wrong" because "governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth," according to The Hill. When pressed on whether public education was socialist, Paul said, "When the state runs things, that's a socialist thing." He added, "I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/elizabeth-warren-ron-paul-socialist_n_1081962.html

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Another reason to make sure she gets elected.

[liberal N proud]

1. OH Dear! - A Socialist

Another case of making something good sound terrible.

[DesertFlower]

31. i agree. my facebook page

has my political views as "socialist democrat". an old boyfriend suggested i change it to "liberal democrat". i told him that "socialist" describes my views better.

[FiveGoodMen]

41. Just like the word liberal

Or empathy (as in "we don't want a Supreme Court judge with empathy")

They've been making good things sound bad since Reagan.

And America has been falling for it big time.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

44. OH HE IS A NO NOTHING FROG..... HA HA HA

[liberalmike27]

87. Yea I'm right with you

Ron Paul says that like it's a bad thing!!

Seriously, if what we've got now, if this hell we've descended into is the republican and conservative democrat's version of capitalism, then let's go full-bore Socialism. How about taxpayer funded educations, forgive the student loans and make the universities publicly run, with free educations to everyone who can maintain an above-grade average, make health care free. Make full-employment and a living wage mandatory, and government regulated.

It's a whole lot better than the 18 percent or so unemployment we've got now.

[dotymed]

135. Yes, but 400 out of over 300 million people, won't get obscenely

that way. Screw that.

:sarcasm:

[Utopian Leftist]

149. I'm so on this bandwagon!

For that matter, why is it that we can't renew the push for FDR's Second Bill of Rights? It would have given us all the right to decent housing, job, wage, education, etc.

[dkf]

195. How do you make full employment and a living wage mandatory?

Who does the extra hiring? The government?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

210. There is such a thing as free-market socialism, dfk. n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

225. A town in Manitoba gave everyone a minimum guaranteed income.

Crime went down, and employment went up.

Imagine that.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

99. Badge of honor

Like the term "liberal", some people feel ashamed to be known as a socialist. I don't. Warren should thank him for making it clear that she's in favor of the betterment of society, a "we" society and not the law of the jungle that the Republicans want for us.

[socialist_n_TN]

116. Yep. It's in my username......

And I'm not a social-dem. I'm a Marxist.

This should raise warning flags from now till doomsday about any left libertarian thinking about supporting this douche.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

212. I'm a socialist, not a Marxist ...

... but I agree, about not supporting this douche.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

211. I'M PROUD TO BE A SOCIALIST!

Sorry for all caps, but I wanted to be emphatic about it. It's time to clear socialism's name.

[No Elephants]

226. Ron is simply lying and he knows it. E. Warren is far from a Socialist.

Although anything is possible, I'd be very surprised if she were a liberal.

Republcans succeeded (it seems) in making "liberal" a dirty word.

Now, they are enjoying calling very moderate and center right Democrats Socialists, in order to make Democrat a dirty word.

Serves their gerneral purposes, too. If they can make people believe that Big Lie, then an actual liberal looks like Lenin, and the only thing to the right of a "Socialist" like Obama is a Republican.

[baldguy]

2. Just how long has Ron Paul been suckling at the public teet?

20 yrs? 30 yrs?

[MedicalAdmin]

66. I would say his entire life.

Do you honestly think he went to school in private schools? Attended university with loans and grants? Had his loans paid off by a government program?

He's just a know nothing, I got mine so fuck you with a pitchfork asshole. If he gets into the whitehouse, it is time to leave (or stay and work harder for change).

[No Elephants]

118. In the Air Force and Air National Guard for a few years. Congress since the 70's.

[rasputin1952]

122. Since 2 days before dirt...

Paul is a pig at the trough...:hi:

[JHB]

3. One more reason to consider Paul a myopic, ideological idiot,...

...but I repeat myself.

[KansDem]

4. Oh, no! Not the "S" word again!

Paul must be listening to FOX "News" again...

[JDPriestly]

5. And while we are at it, Ron Paul is a NAZI. How's that for trading

meaningless insults?

[Lasher]

11. Your insult has meaning.

Just ask the good ole boys down at Stormfront what they think of Herr Paul.

[walerosco]

22. Now this post I dont understand

Reading your comment, someone will come out thinking she was called a communist or fascist or worse. Yes Warren(also applies to Sanders) is not 100% a socialist just like Paul is not 100% libertarian and yet is referred to as one by just about every commentator and poster here, she leans heavily to the socialist side of things for it to be ok to refer to her as one

Socialism is that a slur word and all of us guys having a violent reaction to this labeling is what is causing the negative perception of socialism and you know something else? Public school system (K-12), medicare, the police, fire service, social security, the military are all socialist programs. Yes they are all, so quit making a big deal out of this. Btw what exactly did you expect him to say about someone on the exact opposite of his political philosophy?

Paul is a Nazi? really?

[kestrel91316]

37. Ron Paul isn't a "Nazi". He's a fascist.

[walerosco]

38. And what exactly is your definition of fascist?

To me he is just a right wing libertarian. Now libertarianism is not as poisonous as fascism but would still be taking the country in the wrong direction.

Again, I would like to know your definition of fascism

[kestrel91316]

57. Is your Google finger broken? Fuck Ron Paul and anyone who defends him.

[walerosco]

69. Ok, I will play along

I was hoping you replied with your definition or one of the many different definitions that closely matched your own. Now here is my definition I picked out.

"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government."

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism#ixzz1d8xhhrrO

Now you dont mean to tell me that this is what you believe describes Paul's political philosophy.

[Javaman]

95. Let me ask you something, are you defending ron paul? are you one of his supporters? nt

[walerosco]

185. What do you think?

Am the mole dailykos has been warning about? Seriously, I am not his supporter, I just think there is something wrong when someone gives his honest assessment (correct one at that) of a rival politician and people start comparing him to Hitler and Nazi.

[Javaman]

187. It's far from honest and you know it.

while I don't call asshole paul a nazi, his platform is there for everyone to read. he's more in favor of corporations over peoples rights, woman's rights, the rights of minorities and social programs for the poor and elderly.

Is Warren a Socialist? no. does she have a social bend that favors the common person, yes. That's a hell of a lot more than paul could ever hope to claim. And for paul to call her a socialist is the same as anyone calling paul a nazi.

I live in Texas and I have had the inglorious opportunity to witness paul in person. I can say this without a doubt, paul is a glad handing media hound. If the conversion isn't about him, he will make sure it is. he's nothing more than a self serving stooge who takes corporate money just like the next republican fool.

paul is far from honest.

you want to defend his "honestly" then your stay will be short lived.

[kenfrequed]

207. Ah

But you are passively participating in calling Warren a socialist by suggesting that there is a percentage content that would make it acceptable. Ignoring the fact that it is being used as an adhominem also supports its use in this manner.

Economic libertarianism is an abolition of reason, history, a basic understanding of mathematics, and the evidence of your own senses. Economic Libertarianism is a surrender to the forces of wealth by refusing to accept that there is an economic dimension in political power. It is either blind or dumb.

All governments have an element of responsability both to their people and to the resources of the country that government exists in.

Your defense is half hearted and more directed at a moron that doesn't understand capitalism or socialism (Ron Paul).

[freshwest]

221. +1,000

[No Elephants]

227. His HONEST assessment? . You're kidding, right?

[No Elephants]

104. Ron Paul is POS. No one here cares which definition of "fascist" fits him best.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

173. Does Paul actually have any political philosophy?

[jmowreader]

223. He does, and it's close to Mohammad Farah Aidid's

Anything that can be done to eliminate the government is good by him. I consider him more extreme than Grover Norquist, and that takes some doing.

[No Elephants]

228. So he would have us believe. However, government has supported his family and now his son's.

[Name removed]

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[Prophet 451]

61. Depends on how you define it

The version I got taught in college was a combination of extreme nationalism, a retreat from pre-existing democratic freedoms and a union of corporate and state power. Of those, the third is most important. As Mussolini said "fascism should more properly be called corporatism" and he should know, he invented it. The idiots who say fascism is essentially the same as socialism are wrong. And should be severely beaten for it.

Now, while Paul isn't a fascist in that, fairly strict, definition of the term, the form of libertarianism he proposes, which leaves corporate power unchecked, would lead to outright fascism virtually automatically.

[FarLeftFist]

63. Here you go, Enjoy!:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

[MedicalAdmin]

68. Government control and private ownership.

And is often the case there is no space to be found between the two.

Basically fascism is corporatism. And he is the king of deregulation fairy tales.

[defendandprotect]

142. I've also just called him a "fascist" -- Authoritarian RW propagandist who wants labeling

to be all people think about -- !!

[Ter]

59. An anti-government fascist?

Never knew those existed.

[baldguy]

74. He's only anti-govt when it suits him.

He's steeped in the stench of hypocrisy.

[Ter]

89. Abortion is the only place I see where he's not anti-government

He voted to repeal DADT while he was about to enter a Republican Presidential primary. That takes conviction and balls. He certainly didn't do it for votes.

[baldguy]

96. He's not so anti-govt that he hasn't been cashing public paychecks for the last 30 yrs.

His posturing is just that - a posture with no real conviction behind it. And there's certainly no courage telling a bunch of drooling sycophants exactly what they want to hear. He calls every Democrat he comes across a "socialist" because it's expected of him, and he will never be called upon to defend it ideologically to his supporters because they have no clue what it means. Which is fine by him.

He's a hypocrite who relies upon the stupidity ingrained in his Republican supporters to keep getting re-elected.

[No Elephants]

112. He AND his dumbass kid are both living off the government and government health care.

He's a "Do as I say, not as I do" kind of anti-government guy.

[CreekDog]

179. Wow, Paul calls Warren something offensive and untrue and TER arrives to defend Paul

not that anyone is surprised.

[No Elephants]

106. Please see Reply 104.

[freshstart]

157. Has he figured out what type of government we have yet?

In 77, he was involved in a "shadow cabinet," that is part of a parliamentary system....but even in those systems...they are ELECTED...not self-annointed. I'd agree with fascist.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2h4tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aqQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,371409&dq=shadow+government+ron+paul&hl=en

[bobthedrummer]

218. He certainly is a corporate FASCIST, so glad to see that you (and others) call it right

kestrel91316.

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!

[ingac70]

115. Not a NAZI. A Neo-NAZI.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353

[Galraedia]

127. When asked why Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren was wrong in her comments.

Ron Paul replied, "Because she's a socialist." He didn't state what was wrong with her comments and instead resorted to name-calling. He used a label rather then actual reasons to discredit her comments. He didn't just state that she was a socialist, he stated that being a socialist is the reason why she was wrong. And he deserves to be criticized for it too.

[sulphurdunn]

151. In logic

it's called argumentum ad hominem. In Paul's case he adds a falsehood by claiming Warren is a socialist even before he commits the fallacy. I do not think he is very intelligent.

[Galraedia]

159. I agree..

he's a wackadoo

[sulphurdunn]

162. What's scarry is

I used to expect politicians with presidential ambitions to at least be smart people. It appears that for Republicans at least the inverse is now the case.

[Name removed]

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[abelenkpe]

6. Bigoted conspiracy theorist calls Warren a socialist

Why is it news when stupid people speak? Media sucks.

But yeah, definitely one more reason to support Warren :)

[bemildred]

7. So? nt

[sakabatou]

8. Does he still think the USSR exists?

[valerief]

76. No, it's the USSA now. nt

[Ohio Joe]

9. Fuck you ron paul

Stupid racist douchebag.

[Duct Tape]

182. +1 My thoughts exactly. To all who say that they support Ron

Paul not because they're Republicans but because he "truly supports people", take a look at the ignorance in these comments. If you still support him after this, that just proves that you're actually a Republican in disguise.

[midnight]

10. Whatever label they give Elizabeth Warren it does not matter- She understands

the numbers and can in simple explanaiton help the rest of us understand....

[LeftishBrit]

12. LeftishBrit on Ron Paul: 'He's a right-wing monster!'

Someone once suggested a resemblance between him and Thomas Jefferson. Well, I suppose they both worked hard to bring the USA into the 19th century!

[russspeakeasy]

43. ...and, they are the same age, with 1800's thinking.

[AverageJoe90]

94. But at least TJ moved us forward.........nt

[No Elephants]

109. Thomas Jefferson did own some of his children, as well as their mother.

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Liz Cheney would be a socialist to Ron Paul.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Not just Liz but Darth too. Any Neocon would be one. n/t

[FlyByNight]

14. You're more than welcome to live off the grid then, Ron

Don't call the police or fire when you need. Stop using our water and power. And you're welcome for the healthcare too (assuming you use the public option open to Congress).

Ass.

:eyes:

[xxqqqzme]

18. He can refuse that government check and

provided health care coverage as well.

That's it? That's all they got - name calling. Ooooooo, must have Warren shaking in her pumps.

[savannah43]

144. Yes. He should practice what he preaches: Every man

for himself. That's it in a nutshell.

[Mendocino]

147. It always amuses me when

libertarians and tea baggers hold rallies in "public parks" using the security of "socialist" police.

[Blue Owl]

15. kind of the same way Jesus was

And on that note let's home-school the kids on how awful Jesus was, Ron.

:sarcasm:

[defendandprotect]

143. Jesus was one of our biggest socialists --- !! Kinda out of vogue now somehow -- !! ROFL

Loved the post --


:hi:

[marasinghe]

153. add to that: the Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Francis of Assisi, Gandhi ....

any human, historical or mythical, with a moral compass beyond that of a mindless, flesh-eating parasite, has espoused a socialist society. like so many jungle & nomadic tribes & farming communities, Native Americans, the ancient Israelites, the original Christians, the Muslims, the Pilgrims -- in fact, most forms of social organization, from whale pods to ant colonies & bee hives.

meanwhile, the idiot majority of the US population -- with the evolutionary conditioning of just 50 years of incessant right-wing propaganda shit being shoved down their craws -- have suddenly woken up to a god-given revelation, plucked out of the asses of their lying, or deluded, swinish, scumbag leaders, that: socialism is the equivalent of dictatorship; and is to be avoided with more or less the same degree of disgust & viciousness they reserve for sex acts which have not been approved & authorized by their paternalistic & perverted religio-political elite.

:eyes:

[hlthe2b]

16. and don't I wish we had more like her....

rather than bigoted, ignorant selfish clods like yourself, Ron (and your idiot son, Rand).

[VWolf]

17. Taking bets on how soon she's called a 'Muslin' n/t

[SoCalNative]

19. So was my great -grandfather

and he was a damn fine man!

[SoapBox]

20. Hey Paul...you're bat shit crazy.

How's that grab ya, Mr. LOON?

[Donnachaidh]

21. and he's a troglodyte.

So?

[frazzled]

23. She's a former Republican

Which should give the Ron Pauls of the world some pause for thought.

She also hired half of Wall Street (big bank and investment honchos) at the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau when she was running it, so she's hardly any kind of radical. But she's a convenient whipping person. (Also a convenient idol; neither is probably true.)

[Hydra]

55. Ironically, in our climate, she's rightly considered a radical

For simply calling for rule of law and basic controls.

People like me who actually are socialists are so far marginalized that we may as well not exist.

[JaneQPublic]

24. "Socialist" was thrown around a lot in the movie, "Manchrian Candidate"...

...by the people who were actually part of the plot to overthrow the U.S Democratic process from the inside. It's amazing to watch a movie almost 50 years old and see that the art of politics really hasn't advanced much in that time.

Today, it would be just as easy for people on our side to begin hurling the name "Fascist!" at Paul and other Conservatives, but, sad but true, Dems are usually too nice, rationale, and mature to fight fire with fire.

[Demstud]

25. Socialist > Republican

Though socialism carries no meaning when used by a Republican because it's been used so often by them to describe obvious non-socialists like President Obama.

[Gregorian]

26. ...said the Ferengi

I should add that sooner or later people will realize, after much pain and suffering, that some socialism is quite warranted and helpful. Gee, think of a world where people actually helped each other. You fucking Ferengi! Oop, pardon my French.

[Yon_Yonson]

27. So ... what's your point Ron Paul?

Oh my GAW a socialist? The sky is falling .... the sky is falling! In my book that is a lot better than being a CAPITALIST!

:wtf:

[DeSwiss]

28. Best compliment he could ever pay her. - K&R n/t

[immoderate]

29. Rec'd for silliness. It made me laugh. RP is an idiot!

What else would he say? :shrug:

--imm

[walerosco]

30. lol

Its perplexing reading the comments above. She was called a frickin socialist guys, he didn't call her a communist, marxist, fascist or any other political derogatory word. Bernie Sander is a socialist and everybody is ok with it, but how dare anybody use that slur on Warren. Why people are taking offense to this is beyond me, we are talking about Ron Paul here, a man is so conservative that he thinks people like Mitt Romney are socialist too

This is a honest assessment that is quite surprisingly not far from the truth. Folks, SOCIALISM is NOT bad and is a compliment even if it wasn't intended as one. Embrace and cherish it instead of fighting it

[Prophet 451]

62. It's not about socialism necessarily being bad...

...It's more about being infuriated at the right's insistence that everyone and everything on the left is socialism/ism. We can have a decent discussion about the merits of socialism but not when teh right has turned the term into a stick to beat the left with.

[Blue_Tires]

71. Everything to the left of Pat Buchanan is "socialist" to them

I had a co-worker even call Hillary Clinton one back in the primaries...I had to unload on him after that...

[walerosco]

98. Actually I had the same belief a few posts down

until I did a little research. here he is given a chance to call Obama a socialist but unlike most republicans he chooses instead to call him a corporatist. Again you can see the video here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSaQ7WPd_LM

The thing with Ron Paul is that he too dogmatic and that tends to rub people the wrong way. In essense, he is not any worse than Mitt Romney or George Bush. His ideas are wrong and thats it.

[freshstart]

158. Ron Paul is calling someone a corporatist?

The same Ron Paul that was a plaintiff on the side of Citizens United?

That is a laugh.

http://www.law.stanford.edu/publications/projects/campaignfinance/collection/paul/paul.11.6.pdf

[canoeist52]

32. Since when is it the governments job to create wealth?

"governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth,"

[slay]

33. Well I certainly hope so!!!

this country needs a good socialist - badly! Elizabeth Warren 2016!

[kestrel91316]

34. Yawn. Anyone not to the right of the John Birch Society is a "socialist" to that jackass.

[Name removed]

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[freshstart]

161. David Koch was an early Ron Paul supporter

Now, Ron Paul tries to hide his ties to the Kochs.
#10 at the end of the article:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vOxYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HFcMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2817,3848869&dq=koch+ron+paul&hl=en

[olegramps]

201. Thanks, I had lost the article.

[davidwparker]

39. Me on Ron Paul: "He's just bat crap crazy." n/t

[Lars77]

40. Fundametalist liberalism will be the new totalitarian ideology

In the last 100 years we have experienced totalitarian Fascism and Communism. The thing they have in common, is that the people who want to implement it are so absolutely sure that if only their implementation is "pure" enough, society will reach the utopia. Any shortcomings is simply evidence that the implementation is not perfect, and must be further forced on society.

This is how fascism and communism came to be in a state of political and financial turmoil, and murdered millions on their way to that utopia.

Ron Paul and the Koch nutters believe that the complete dismantling of a state (except law enforcement and military, which will serve to protect the property of the wealthy) will unleash the true creative power of the individual and take us to their utopia.


Mark my words. If we do not stop people like Ron Paul, anarcho-liberalism or what you want to call it will be that next ideology. And just like the people of the Weimar Republic and Imperial Russia, it is not easy to detect this rapid change because we are experiencing it in our lifetime.

[iamthebandfanman]

42. If you like government

and think it can be useful...

youre a socialist .. in ole Ronnies eyes.

Good thing hes a libertarian utopian nut eh ?

[DURHAM D]

45. One can only hope, nt

[jtuck004]

46. 25 million people are looking for a job. Yet we pay him to call names?

His "conversation" continued, where he offered the somewhat out-of-touch-with-reality statement "governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth,". I wonder how many public roads he drove on to become a well-paid hack of a politician?

He added, "I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition."

I am not sure if his history class included this, but we tried that in Oklahoma and elsewhere back when people were living in sod homes on the prarie. The only reason they got out of them was our collective effort; leadership like his would put a "soddy" where every home - was.

Seems like those who voted for him could get more for their money.

Study: Members of Congress Spend 27% of Time Taunting Each Other…
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/07/study-members-of-congress-spend-27-of-time-taunting-each-other/

[Zorra]

47. Every reasonably intelligent person on Ron Paul:

Ron Paul?!?!!?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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[Old and In the Way]

48. Ron Paul is an anti-socialist.

I'll leave it to the reader to figure out which type of person is better serving the wellbeing of this country.

[alp227]

49. Hey Ron! How's that free market working out for the economy right now?

And how did deregulated banks manage themselves?

[Mosaic]

50. That is so gay, not to sound homophobic

The socialism word is POSITIVE, EMBRACE it!!!!! Only wimpy liberals like Chris Matthews are embarrassed by it.

[TBF]

51. I knew there was a reason I liked her ... nt

[FLAprogressive]

52. FLAProgressive on Ron Paul: "He's a dildo."

[bluestateboomer]

53. Look out for the scary socialist!

Major BS!:puke:

[freshwest]

54. Way to go, he calls for the boogieman because he doesn't have anything else to say,

Sadly, RP is now just spouting knee jerk GOP talking points, the philosophy of a Kochroach. And sadder still, are the number of people who think regurgitating RW talking points and screaming slogans is going to make a difference in our lives for the better.

I started out liking RP during the 2007, pre-2008 election cycle and was friends with many of his supporters. They seemed to be talking outside the lines, and at that time it was pretty much about Bush, the MIC, the Patriot Act, big Pharma, etc. He was the main hero to those listening to conspiracy internet radio hosts, who I learned were also Koch funded. I should have known that outlets that had similar broadcasting patterns and on air 24/7 and in every venue were not grassroots, really. They just preyed on the horror that the Bush years were and never taught much but fear and hubris.

So they played both sides against the truth, in their anti-government tirade. They morphed what had been a persistent American meme against oppressive foreign government and for self-determination into the 'all government and regulation is infringing on our rights.' But they continually snarked the words progressive, liberal and Democrat, they had this respectful awe of Ronald Reagan. But then, most of the speakers were born after his reign of terror.

Some people gloss over what was done by him, thinking how much worse that Bush the Younger was. They weren't around to see the programs to control pollution, voter fraud, civil and worker rights that existed until the plot to get Reagan in office and make Carter a one-term POTUS for his energy policy. I watched as Reagan dismantled in action, the EEOC, OSHA, NLRB and EPA. And the attack on all things public, parks, hospitals, all the ways that people were being helped. RR didn't believe in SS, said that those who hadn't gotten rich in their working careers enough to support their retirements without it, deserved nothing!

Not only that, in popular culture, it was the rise of the Geckos of Wall Street, and the love of money and power while crushing the hopes and dreams of millions became the 'smart thing to do.' And the huge Bush family scandal of the SnL and Resolution Trust Corporation, where the US taxpayer and many individuals suffered the transfer of public monies into private hands.

So, while RP still beats this old drum, really, when he says that Government is bad, we must ask ourselves, bad for who? The ones who fund these characters, that's who, the ones who have succeeded in creating a corporate controlled world in there is no foreign oppressor, there is world wide oppression and devastation to people and the environment for profit. Profit being the Libertarian wet dream that excuses all abomination to our hearts and souls.

All the while, letting the ones who have really and truly stolen our lives, land and liberty, the corporations, off the hook completely. It's a sham and people need to wake up. Government was to be instituted to protect the people from corporations. Ron Paul wants the mythical free market to solve all of this and all life to have a monetary value set on it, which is so immoral it's obscene.

The Founders were not ignorant of the dangers of corporate rule, and Paine's writings show that the way to peace and justice are not through the elimination of government, but of the inequality that the conquering corporations of his day, which go by different names in our day, but it's all the same.

:rant:

[Blue_Tires]

189. excellent synopsis...

[SteveM]

56. Smell the dust toasting off those vacuum tubes! nt

[Prophet 451]

58. Getting sick of this shit

I'm now at the point of wanting to badly hurt any conservative who misuses the terms "socialist" or "socialism". And that would be any conservative who uses them at all because they're ALWAYS misused.

[TJ Walker]

60. what about the other way around

So, what's the alternative, then? Ron Paul prefers to deregulate whatever he gets his hands on, which bothers me. The lack of regulation of banks is what led to the Occupy Wall street in the first place

[izquierdista]

64. As far as Ron is concerned

People having houses on the same street are Socialists. If they truly valued freedom and individuality, they would invest in their own driveways to take them where they needed to go. :crazy:

[femrap]

65. And Ron Paul is

a fucking idiotic misogynist. He HATES women....all of them. He is an OB-GYN and ANTI-CHOICE.

May he enjoy eternal flaccidity.

[Dawson Leery]

67. Ron can cry when his little Scottie loses next year.

.

[WranglerRog]

70. Ah Somalia.......

a libertarians dream!

[valerief]

77. Zactly!!!! nt

[karynnj]

72. A socialist who was a Republican into her 40s!

Doing the math, it means she may have voted for Ronald Reagan and even Bush1!

The strange thing is that very little Warren has said is not standard American beliefs growing up in the 50s, 60s. That Ron Paul can be a Presidential candidate, who gets any interest at all is what is further from the America I learned about as a young midwestern kid. Years ago, a college aged daughter mentioned that many of the kids she knew in college, though adamantly anti-Bush, espoused libertarian ideas. She argued against them regularly.

There really are two competing ideas of what America is - and Ron Paul takes the "individulist" side to an extreme.

[RainbowSuperfund]

73. And Ron Paul is an Economic Anarchist Who would ravage our social safety net.

And Ron Paul is an Economic Anarchist Who would ravage our social safety net at a time when we desperately need it.

People who live in economic glass houses Shouldn't through stones.

[valerief]

75. I hope she's a 99% socialist and not a 1% socialist! nt

[Lost-in-FL]

78. WE ARE SO SCREWNNNNNNNNNN!!!! nt

[SharksBreath]

79. Does Paul realize who pays him and who provides his healthcare.

Paul. Your a Fucking socialist.

[Enthusiast]

80. Ron Paul = fascist asshole.

[NewJeffCT]

81. Where did she call for the state running things?

I must have missed that part of the speech...

higher taxes and a bit more regulation is a far cry from socialism.

[mckara]

82. Ron Paul = Libertarian = Anarchist

A government representative who does not believe in government.

How does Paul have one shred of credibility?

[onehandle]

83. One would hope, but she's close enough to a Socialist for me.

All my 2012 cash goes to Elizabeth. Then to her again for President in 2016.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

84. Time to talk about the differnet types of Capitalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Types_of_capitalism

I think its time for voters to understand that "talking points" and accusations aren't educating anyone. A Social Market Economy form of Capitalism includes Social Security, unemployment benefits and labor rights. Who among the 99% think that safety nets aren't protecting all of us?

And for a change lets point to Germany. They have a healthy economy which is a form of Capitalism. They also have universal health care. Libertarians need to be shown a true picture of economies around the world and whose survive tough times best.

[ooglymoogly]

85. Gee, that coming from a closet fascist is quite a compliment...

If socialist means watching out for others less fortunate...I choose Socialism.

[Lint Head]

86. So? Ron Paul is irrelevant. We need more socialism and less greed.

[barbtries]

88. he is the one

who would abolish the department of education, right?
the older i get the more i like socialism. if i could, this would just make me want to vote for her more.

[KeyserSoze87]

90. You say "socialist" like it's a bad thing, Ron. It isn't.

[Zambero]

91. Conservative catch phrases (Yawn...)

There are three or four of them that get bandied about a lot these days: "Socialist!", "Class Warfare!", "Job Killers!", and "Wealth Redistribution!". The intended response is for the listener and/or recipient of the catch phrase to recoil in horror and accept whatever status quo position a conservative might be advancing without further question. Well, I'm not so sure that works anymore. In 2008 Obama was called every name in book (including the "S" word) repeatedly, ad nauseum and he still managed to carry some traditionally red states. Name-calling once obscured real issues, until folks who found themselves on the short end of the stick began to realize who had set them up in the first place. 30 years of crying wolf may just be wearing thin. Beck went away into obscurity, the Family Research Council is on the ropes, and Rush's ratings are down as is Fox News. Perhaps this brand of red meat rhetoric doesn't sell anymore?

[deadinsider]

92. Yes, deregulation works

These people are so self-delusional or infatuated with their life-long philosophy of the free market's inerrancy that it almost funny if they didn't influence so many people.

Ron Paul expresses a foreign policy that many of us agree with but seems to not understand that it is a regulation on the Military Industrial Complex (essentially a business structure; consisting of a conglomerate of private contractors). I'm sure he would argue that it's the government that is the problem with the MIC, rather than the truth: the Pentagon and CIA have long ago been paid stooges for the Capitalist Elite. Just ask Smedley Butler: 'I was a gangster for capitalism'...

[lsewpershad]

93. Ron Paul

needs to be socialized or maybe resocialization.

[KansDem]

97. And..?

What's your point, Ron?

[Uncle Joe]

100. Good, it's about time we had a Socialist in power.

Thanks for the thread, meegbear.:thumbsup:

[DuaneBidoux]

101. Paul's a fascist. Now that we got that out of our system wanna' have a debate?

[No Elephants]

102. What is "What did Ron Paul say just before his pants went on fire," Alex.

[Mass]

103. He has no clue what a socialist is.

Warren is a moderate Democrat who was a Republican until the 90s. Her books have nothing revolutionary or socialistic in them. She still believes in the markets, and just thinks they should be regulated. Nothing to do with socialism, except may be in Mr Paul's mind.

[sellitman]

105. A SOCIALIST?? HORRORS!!!!!!

Oh wait.....

[Deep13]

107. Deep13 on Ron Paul, "He's a fascist." ...

Now go home and get yourself off while reading Atlas Shrugged.

[diane in sf]

108. Paul says Socialist like it's a bad thing--I say it's another reason to vote for her.

[MedicalAdmin]

110. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. n/t

[JohnnyRingo]

111. I got a Ronny Reagan Super Secret Decoder Ring from a bag of Jelly Bellys

When I turn the outer ring to "Socialist", it deciphers as: "support of the working class".
The Republican code is getting easier and easier to crack even without the ring.

[deutsey]

113. And Ron Paul is a dork...so what? n/t

[Fearless]

114. I hope she is. We will elect someone with sense.

[1776Forever]

117. And Ron Paul is a weird old man who should move with his son and start his own country! n/t

[AmericaIsGreat]

119. Yes, Ron, and you are a corporatist-fascist

I'll take the socialist any day of the week!

[otohara]

120. This Outright Name Calling By the GOP is

really disturbing.
Ron Paul raised a rude man-child.

[Galraedia]

121. ""I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition." ~ Ron Paul

What a dumba$$. Home schooling eliminates competition.

[values1]

123. If a class war was started, it was ALSO started by Republicans

If a class war has not been started, you could fool all the unemployed in the US due to

outsourcing US
off shoring to escape taxes, paying worker benefits, and scamming the labor forces more easily in
other countries

Warren is absolutely CORRECT in what she said. These greedy pigs think they made it all by themselves...but they did not. They ride the backs of the world's labor force. The most they've ever lifted is a pen...are they even all Americans? Whatever happened to the limit on foreign ownership of stocks, bonds, banks, property in the US by citizens of other countries/

but no, we can see that Wall Street is making poor people all over the globe with the outsourcing chase the labor philosophy.

May they also come to reap the benefit of their evil.

Yes....if a class war has not been started, it's way past time to start one.

[iamthebandfanman]

124. "governments are always destructive"

Thats how Ron feels. About every issue. Not just 'creation of wealth'.

I have no idea when it became patriotic to want to dissolve the entire government...but okay.

[krabigirl]

125. I like socialists. She is just a bit too into the war thing for me.

[aquart]

126. Sweet Ron, just trying to make me happy.

But I already love Elizabeth Warren. And despise Ayn Rand.

[TheCowsCameHome]

128. Ronald, I'm going to wash your mouth with soap! Right now!

The nerve of that boy...............

[SkyDaddy7]

129. FUCK RON PAUL!!!

I would much rather a Socialist get elected than ignorant dumb Christian who thinks the world is less than 10,000yrs old & who wants to repeal the 14th Amendment so that states can go back to discriminating as they wish no longer bound to the Bill of Rights!

To all those who were defending the Ron Paul supporters at OWS might first think about educating the lost idiots first! Ron Paul supporters have no business trying to co-opt the OWS movement & we should not let them.

[whathehell]

139. Here! Here! and all that but

must you bring your hatred of religion into EVERYTHING?

I don't know that Paul is even a "Christian", let alone a "dumb ignorant" one.

He may well be just a selfish devotee of Ayn Rand (no Christian, she)

In any case, there are many SOCIALIST Christians,by the way.

..Do your fucking homework.:eyes:

[SkyDaddy7]

165. Maybe, just maybe you should...

read what I wrote again...This time look for the part where I said something about all Christians or just certain segment of Christians. Then, when you have figured that out THINK "what if this person has done their "HOMEWORK" & is simply repeating what they know of Ron Paul to be 100% true?

...Before poppin off like you did.

I have very Liberal & YES Socialist friends who are Christian & they would repeat what I said because to them people like Ron Paul & the Religious Right give THINKING Christians like themselves a bad name. They love & respect science as I do & they know as I do that science is literally our future. So, to see people like Ron Paul & 99% of the Republican Party talk like they do about science, what scientist "really know" & the power they have to interfere with progress...It seriously bothers & worries me as it should YOU! So, perhaps you might need to do some "HOMEWORK" so that you fully understand how important it is that you know everything these people are trying very hard to do to our country & what the future might be like if they win the minds of enough Americans!

Ron Paul repeating exactly what I said he did...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPoCsC8VT9g


Ron Paul having to affirm his faith in Christ at a Republican debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKykqI-a4GQ&feature=rela...

[whathehell]

219. Maybe, just maybe you should

spend as much time proof-reading your message

as you do DEFENDING it...Sorry, bro,

but you're first post wasn't very clear..Hell,

it wasn't even very grammatical.

[SkyDaddy7]

164. ...

[pangaia]

130. Ron Paul wouldn't know a socialist..

if he/she/it wacked upside the head with... a socialist.
Doesn't this goof ball understand how much of American society is what he would call..socialist.. Socialist, smosholist... What does he think the fire department is, police, military, roads, schools, baseball stadiums --football stadiums, also, I am sorry to say, but that's for another thread. :>)) --, National Parks, EPA, organizations that actually PROTECT his smug ignorant ass from dangerous things like... hurricanes, or... blah blah... next... Someone please smite this ninny with a banana...

[and-justice-for-all]

131. I thought it was something serious..nt

[marmar]

132. "governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth"

This is your brain on Ayn Rand.

[nadinbrzezinski]

133. HIDE THE KIDS!!!!!

If red baiting didn't work though.

[tcaudilllg]

134. Me on Ron Paul: "he's a fascist"

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

136. Me on Ron Paul: "He's an asshole"(n/m)

[Hubert Flottz]

137. Me on Ron Paul:

And you son's a total dick wad Ronnie!

That stupid apple didn't fall too far from the tree!

[mother earth]

138. What we need is Elizabeth Warren!!!! Absolutely.

[Deep13]

140. To me, that sounds like an endorsement. nt

[defendandprotect]

141. Any why might Paul be wrong ... ? 'Cause he's a fascist -- !! Obviously ....

we need no other answers other than labels!!


:evilgrin:

[MaineDeadHead]

146. Oh noes, Soshulism!

Privatize the roads, emergency services and the military. Mama don' 'low no soshulism round here!

[defendandprotect]

172. K/R -- Can't wait for everything in America to be run by Blackwater and Koch Bros !!

[fascisthunter]

145. you wouldn't know who a socialist was because you are soooo far to the right

[AlbertCat]

148. She's a socialite???!!! What's wrong with a socialite?

Oh.. never mind....












Well, at least she's not an idiot, like Ron Paul.

I'm sick and tired of any sense.... any tiny sense of community being ominously, frighteningly labeled "socialist!!!!" Run away! Run away!

Well, he can't call her a commie, so he chooses another buzz word.

[MarkCharles]

150. Ron Paul, of Texas, worried about a professor at Harvard running for the Senate?

The best endorsement she could ever have received!

Let's vote for her because Ron is afraid of her.

[Phlem]

152. Well that say's it all

I'd totally vote for her if I could.

-p

[dash_bannon]

154. OK, Pops... time for your meds

Ron Paul is a kook.

Someone can't be wrong simply by virtue of being a socialist, liberal, conservative, or whatever label you give them.

Resorting to mere name calling, like its a fact, is weak and logically fallacious.

My Libertarian friends worship the guy though.

Who's more foolish, the fool or the ones who follow the fool?

[Galraedia]

176. They worship him because...

He promises them pot.

[marasinghe]

155. ".... another reason to make sure she gets elected ....": agree totally. n/t

[pauldp]

156. Can anyone name a place where Libertarianism is working?

Last I heard some Libertarians were going to try an "experiment" on an island somewhere with no minimum wage, lots of guns and total free market capitalism.
Still waiting for that island experiment to happen. In the meantime Norway, Sweden, Germany France etc. have done just fine with Social Democracy - not perfect, but a helluva lot better track record than the Libertarians.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

160. Ron Paul can kiss my ass.

[UpInArms]

163. Ron Paul needs to give up his "socialist" funded paycheck

and go and create some jobs with his personal wealth.

:puke:

[MisterP]

166. we certainly need some pinks and reds in Washington (OTHER countries get them)

Warren's more a populist, and she's fabulous

what we DON'T need, Mr. Paul, is yet another Bircher capitalism-fellator

[FailureToCommunicate]

167. Hey Ron Paul, you like football? The NFL is socialist! Network revenue is split evenly

between 32 franchises. Way too 'socialist' for you?

Leave our next Senator alone and go back to living on taxpayer's dole.

[rhett o rick]

168. Damn you, damn you. You dare disparage the NFL.

good for you.

[EvilMonsanto]

169. I don't see what the big deal is

I am a democratic socialist... I guess....
But if he called me that.... ya so what?

I am that....
what's the big deal

It's like if someone called him a libertarian
Ya so??? he is one

I don't see how you can take this as an insult?

[Galraedia]

178. You're wrong BECAUSE you're a socialist.

Does that help to explain to you why it's insulting? The insult is not simply calling her a socialist but calling her comments wrong because she's a socialist. That's like saying you're wrong because you're Jewish, or you're wrong because you're black.

[eridani]

170. Any whore for the 1% who whines about "socialism" is really whining about

--paying for public goods. Call them on that--don't just say "Oh noes! I'm not a socialist!" That just reinforces their framing.

[NICO9000]

171. Me on Ron Paul: "You're an idiot"

[Mosaic]

174. Fuck Paul

He gets waaaay more attention than he should. :grr:

Support anti-war Progressives, Progressives only!

:) :thumbsup: :kick:

[JerseygirlCT]

175. And?...

He says that like it's a bad thing.

[Time for change]

177. I guess what Paul is saying is that

he is an anarchist.

He is saying clearly that government has no useful role in anything.

[Crewleader]

180. Watch video

It's better then the article.



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/ron-paul-view-of-government-opposes-socialist-elizabeth-warren/ :)

[gtar100]

181. STFW

After all the affects of "capitalism" we've endured for the last 30 years, socialism is sounding mighty good right now.

But seriously, these labels are so inadequate to describe anyone.

[Galraedia]

183. "There clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution."~ Ron Paul

On August 12, 2003, on the floor of the House of Representatives, angered by the US Supreme Court voiding Texas' authoritarian Homosexual Control Act, a law that criminalized private sexual conduct, Ron Paul said, with great clarity and force, "there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution." He then said, "There are, however, states’ rights." And he believed, that these "states rights" give Texas "the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards."

[Skittles]

184. Skittles on Ron Paul: "He's a fascist"

[burrowowl]

186. I'm a SOCIALIST!

C'EST LA LUTTE FINALE ....

[fujiyama]

188. Typical response

Very juvenile. Throw a label out there. Hope it sticks. Repeat simplistic phrases about "small government". Funny how he doesn't actually address or respond to anything she even said.

[The Traveler]

190. TAANSTAAFL, Mr. Paul

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Ya gotta pay for things like public schools that create an environment supportive of the public good, and the public good is essential for successful entrepreneurship. Freedom ain't free. If you want the benefits of a free society, you have to pay into it.

And freedom does not include the right to impose the costs of your production on the commons without check, balance, or remuneration. And that is what polluters expect ... and demand ... to do. Our profit ... your degrading environment, your imperilled health.

That, indeed, is a form of socialism designed to benefit the elites ... and it is known as fascism.

[Le Taz Hot]

191. Well, she will be our first woman president

so he better get used to saying "President Warren."

[Name removed]

193. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[onlyadream]

196. And Paul is an

Anarchist. Any libertarian is because society would degrade to compete anarchy.

[Marrah_G]

197. I hope she is a Socialist, I would like her even more

Ron Paul would be more then happy to go back to the "good old days" of people starving in the streets, living in shacks, dying of easily preventable causes. As long as he has his. People like him are parasites on society, taking everything they can and contributing nothing.

[DirkGently]

198. Scratch the surface of RP's sometimes sane-sounding ideas, & you find an extremist ideologue.

In response to queries about the thread of rabid racist themes in his "unofficial" newsletter, RP said he couldn't be racist, because racism "is a collectivist idea."

:silly:

[colsohlibgal]

199. As If That's A Bad Thing

People are confusing a much fairer economic system with totalitarianism. Unfettered, run amok on steroids capitalism has brought us where we are today, a very few doing obscenely well and millions who don't know where their next meal is coming from.

[paparush]

200. Progressive, as in Progress, as in Moving forward, Evolving, becoming better.

[The Wizard]

202. Anyone who takes credit

for spawning Kim Jong Paul should never again make a public statement.

[catbyte]

203. Yeah, well, he's an asshole.

[robbob]

204. I'm confused by one authors use of the word "socialist":

I'm reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin, a truly frightening and depressing look at the creation and acts of the Federal Reserve (which, as he puts it, has nothing to do with the Federal Government and has no reserves). A fascinating read, but he keeps referring to the acts of the Reserve as well as the world bank as being driven by a hidden "Socialist" agenda.

The only aspect of a "Socialist agenda" that I can see is the massive transfer of wealth from well off nations like the USA to third world dictators via ever increasing bailouts of their economies which ultimately are added to the dept burden of the American taxpayer. Also the literally billions (trillions?) of taxpayer dollars that have gone towards bailing out "to big to fail" companies going back well into the 70's and 80's. Nothing new here; as he puts it "the name of the game is bailout", and every time we do it money is created from literally nothing, added to the dept burden of taxpayers and then directly affects us all through inflation caused by this diluting of the money reserves.

Again, the book is a great read but I am really put off by his (seemingly) paranoid views of a worldwide "socialist" agenda that he claims is driving all of this. Anyone know anything about this author? Has he got some kind of crazy bias against socialism, maybe is a rabid Libertarian? Or is what he is referring to the so-called "corporate socialism" that only benefits the wealthy?

Thanks for any info on this...

[DirkGently]

209. Griffin is a John Bircher / 9/11/ conspiracy theorist in the mode of tax protestors & militias

http://crooksandliars.com/node/45028/print

Glenn Beck loves the guy:

http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/glenn-beck-promoting-the-conspiracy-theories-of-g-edward-griffin-videos/

The Fed needs a good audit, but it's not the nefarious NWO conspiracy wingers claim it is.

[robbob]

213. Thanks Dirk

...since I found this on the bookshelf of my Ron-Paul-libertarian-supporting boss I figured it might have a somewhat tainted pedigree. Still, the way the government and the banking system can just create money out of thin air leads me to think the system is completely FUBAR. I think it's time to tear it all down and start over, or else the money seems to just keep flowing into the hands of the few.

[kenfrequed]

205. St. Ron descends to redbaiting

If only the scant ridiculous libertarians I know would actually read. This is the sort of thing they typically pretended to be above and now their great hero is slipping into typical republican red-baiting. What a tool.

[goforit]

206. HEY RON!!!....Wasn't JESUS a socialist too??? Hello???

[Fantastic Anarchist]

208. Ron Paul is a scared and confused libertarian.

He doesn't know what socialism means ... nor libertarianism means, for that matter.

I'm a libertarian socialist. The "state" doesn't have to control everything, but Labor should be in control of its own product and wealth meted out equitably.

Ron Paul may be right on foreign policy issues (the only stance that is compatible with his libertarianism). But his economic prescription is a recipe for totalitarianism. The "rugged individualist" meme is such a phony myth, I don't understand how anyone can subscribe to that sort of thinking.

"Society is nothing without the individual and the individual is nothing without society." ~ Unattributed

American libertarianism (at least in its modern incarnation) is pure hogwash. The libertarians of the past such as Josiah Warren and Benjamin Tucker (individualist anarchists) considered themselves socialists.

A community of individuals serving everyone's needs. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[lovelyrita]

214. Ron Paul is a nut.

What if can't afford private school? What if you can't afford to have one parent home to home-school? Should those people just send their kids to the mines to work?

What an ass.

[blackspade]

215. This is why Ron Paul is a fool.

He calls someone a socialist because he disagrees with her.
Although in my eyes that would be a complement, especially since she is absolutely correct.

[yurbud]

216. Dammit! Now I'm going to have to donate money to her for this!

[alfredo]

217. Socialist women make me hot!

[BiggJawn]

224. Me too!

First time I saw her on TV, I was hers...

[AverageJoe90]

220. Ron Paul = nuttier 21st century version of Huey Long. Fact.

[BiggJawn]

222. BiggJawn on Ron Paul: he's a Libertard.

Whackjob.

So, if Ron Paul's house catches fire, He's gonna call around for the best price in putting it out, right? Check Angie's List, right? Maybe consult Craigslist?

No, he'll be a fuckin' hypocrite and dial 911...