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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:09 AM
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Chalabi Compares U.S. Policy on Baathists with Nazis
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S. policy shift that may allow former Baathists join a new Iraqi government was akin to putting back Nazis in charge of Germany, Governing Council member Ahmad Chalabi said on Friday.

"This policy will create major problems in the transition to democracy, endanger any government put together by U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi and cause it to fall after June 30," Chalabi told Reuters.

He spoke after the White House announced an overhaul of the "de-Baathification" policy, which may let some former members join an interim government being put together by the United Nations ahead of a planned June 30 transfer of power.

"This is like allowing Nazis into the German government immediately after World War II," added Chalabi, who heads a council committee specifically dedicated to keeping the upper ranks of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party out of office.

~snip~
more: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4922614§ion=news
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:12 AM
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1. CHALABI FOR VICEROY IN 2024
new Iraqi Campaign slogan
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:26 AM
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5. Chalabi might be out of a job
"karma" gets you everytime.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:12 AM
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2. Just perfect. Weren't the Baathist mostly Jalliburton subcontractors like
Chalabi anyway?

I mean, Saddam was doing business with Cheney the whole time.

Who ELSE to resume a brutal dictatorship for the BFEE but the same Nazis who ran it before.

Yikes
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:53 AM
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11. No, all the post-war Iraq contracts had to be ok'd by Salem Chalabi
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 08:54 AM by bobthedrummer
Ahmed's nephew-that's different now, of course.
All in the family
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1048205,00.html

IMO, the neo-conservatives are a derivative of all the old Nazis that were given identities and jobs as Americans working in national security-they worship at the same altar imho and experience.

The CIA and the Nazis
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

Operation PAPERCLIP links
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

How the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaust
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ROG309A.html

I'm an American who's USMC dad fought against militarism and fascism in WWII, only to have spooks betray all of US when they recruited Nazis, and gave them a political home in the RW of the Republican Party:grr:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:15 AM
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3. Shaddup, Ahmad and get back in line!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:25 AM
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4. Um, wasn't the point to GET RID of the Baathists?
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 08:26 AM by rocknation
An Iraqi government based on religious majority rule would not be a democracy. But at the same time, letting the Baathists back in would defeat the purpose of the invasion. And who's stupid enough to care about what Chalabi thinks in the first place? Way to wage a foreign policy, commander-in-chump!

:headbang:
rocknation
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:28 AM
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6. ummm, the US DID allow Nazis back in, and in fact
depended a great deal on them, not only in Germany, but in the US.

The US space program was founded and staffed by Nazis.

That said, I don't think there's a comparison to be made here with the Baathists.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:33 AM
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7. Operation Paper Clip!
Although to be fair, we snagged the Nazi scientists so the Soviets couldn't get them. We also grabbed a bunch of uranium and ran with it.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:40 AM
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8. Yeah we did everything because of the Soviets.
Of course, often, that was just an excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:01 AM
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13. Well, I think it was more that, in Stalin, we had an easy foil
Stalin WAS evil, so it was easy for people to ascribe all sorts of plots and machinations to him, and to use the fear generated to drive all sorts of schemes. Teller's pursuit of the fusion bomb is a classic example of this- he overrode Oppenheimer (and a good chunk of the scientific community) to get funding for his project, when the Soviets didn't even have a working fission bomb yet. All he had to do was raise the spectre of Russian nukes over and over again.

In some ways, it's strangely reminiscent of our current situation re. M.E. terrorists.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:56 AM
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12. Yep-see post #11 for Operation PAPERCLIP links
:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:48 AM
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19. The US space program was Peenemunde crew and there is an
occultic connection between Peenemunde and White Sands, the incredible American father of our space program and what later became JPL-Jack Parsons of the darkside, just like the inner Nazi Party leaders were into occult, just like US spooks that followed Col. Aquino, etc., etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons
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KurtNilsen Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:42 AM
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9. UN envoy Brahimi backs this move.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:49 AM
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10. Betrayed by the neo-cons?
Heh, heh!

Better get used to it.

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:02 AM
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14. makes me think this is the right thing to do
Chalabi stinks
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KurtNilsen Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:03 AM
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15. IMHO is this a major blow the the overly ideological neo-con
idiots, and Rumsfeld and Chalabi in particular.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:12 AM
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16. Yep, it was a headshot imo.
eom
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:26 AM
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17. Okay, he's useless to both sides now
I predict Chalabi will be suicided soon.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:35 AM
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18. Ha Ha Chalabi has it patrially right
There are a great deal of similarities between the Bunnypants* Empire and the Nazi Empire.

So of courseyou would expect Bunnypants* TO DO THE OPPOSITE of what Free America did back when his Grandaddy was laundering blood money for Hitler and the Nazis.

WWFMD? What Would Ferdinand Marcos Do?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:44 AM
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20. He knows his Nazis too?
lol/eom
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:27 AM
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21. What did Kimmit say two weeks ago?
The Bathists will never rule in Iraq again. He kept repeating it over and over again. This flip flopping don't know what we're doing leadership without any sort of plan is acting out again. This was a brain dead statement anyway. In a hypothetical representative government with multiple ethnic groupings, political alliances could have resulted in Sunni rule at certain points. This however is not exactly what they have in mind.

They are probably trying to reinstate the old security apparatus from the Saddam regime. This is what the CIA would like to see at some point. To be cynical, it would be a lot better than an indefinite occupation with anarchy and no end in sight.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:38 AM
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22. Since when does USMC shut down newspapers, target world press,
and stage reprisals for mercenaries-my dad was USMC in WWII, he fought against militarism and fascism, he defended US and our Constitution against what Kimmit, as I perceive it, is doing:grr:

What USMC is protecting a corporate war profiteering logo rather than Old Glory?:grr:
Some Marines seem to have a problem with the policies of the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President, the miserable failure.
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