Shots Fired at Occupy Oakland

[Serve The Servants]

Source: NBC Bay Area

"...Just moments before NBC Bay Area's Jodi Hernandez was to go on the air with a live report, she reported hearing shots fired at Occupy Oakland.

Hernandez said she heard 6 to 8 gunshots on the south side of Frank Ogawa Plaza followed by screaming from the area.

Police were not in the area at the time."


Read more: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Occupy-Oakland-133661058.html

[freshwest]

1. Suddenly, after weeks of these, it all hits in the same news cycle.

:shrug:

And as usual, like with the WTO in 1999, the media only goes for the sensational and not the reason why Occupy exists!

[jpak]

2. Guns at Occupy Camps always shut them down - guns have no place in civil American Democracy

yup

[Speck Tater]

8. Uh oh. The "everybody should be carrying a gun" people will jump all over you for that. nt

[No Elephants]

22. So will supporters of the First Amendment.

[hack89]

35. My favorite strawman - the big ones burn longer. nt

[krispos42]

13. Tell that to the Oakland PD n/t

[fascisthunter]

40. they already know... I guess you really don't get it

they are already looking for every possible reason to shut OWS down. Your way is meat-headed and counter to the very meaning of OWS.

[krispos42]

45. I was referring to police brutality.

I'm not sure what you were referring to.

[jwirr]

16. Exactly. They only give the enemy excuses.

[No Elephants]

21. That may be a reason to arrest the gunslinger. It is not a reason to shut down a protest, only

an excuse to shut one down.

See also Reply # 3.

It is government's job to control firearms, not the job of law-abiding, peaceful protestors.

[fascisthunter]

39. agreed!

[handmade34]

3. ...

SangyeH Ani Sangye
RT @jamespollard: @WgKane folks at #occupyoakland saying the shooting is unrelated and part of a fight outside 12th St BART.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

7. Sounds like Oakland

Actually surprised there has not been more street thuggery in the area around the encampment. High police presence could be the reason

[notadmblnd]

4. of course the police wern't in the area at the time

Why would they be? They have wanted violence to occur so bad, they can taste it. It's all so very convenient.

[socialist_n_TN]

42. Were they in Berkeley?

I saw in another post that the OPD was in Berkeley last night. When was this shooting?

On a related note, as soon as the OPD was reported to be in Berkeley, the Occupy Oakland people should have been out in the street in OAKLAND in support of Berkeley. Distract them and stop them from bringing in outside cops by making those outside cops have to police their OWN areas.

[Fumesucker]

5. Correction, uniformed police were not in the area..

Whether there were any plainclothes undercover cops is probably never going to be known.

[TomClash]

6. Like Occupy Burlington

A pattern?

[stuckinarut]

12. In Burlington it was a vet that killed himself.

Have a little respect.n/t

[TomClash]

18. I didn't know that.

I only saw the first report.

Have a little respect? Right back at you - get the facts straight before you criticize someone personally. Please read the DU rules.

[stuckinarut]

19. I took your post the wrong way, my apologies.

I work a few blocks from this occupy group, and have taken part. This is a real challenge for the group moving forward.

Sorry for the misunderstanding...I have been reading A-hole comments all day on the Burlington Free Press site.

my favorite, "all those homeless need to go home, take a shower, and find a job"...

Yah...the homeless need to go home... ugh people today.

[TomClash]

20. No problem

I work near Occupy Wall Street - I've heard my fair share of nasty comments so I know what you mean.

Welcome to DU! :patriot: :thumbsup: :hi:

[stranger81]

9. UPDATE: Victim has reportedly died

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/breaking-news/shooting-injures-one-near-occupy-oakland-encampmen/nFbKP/

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. ANOTHER failure by Oakland gov and PD. They must be dismantled.

"The person on the ground was not part of the occupation. I can verify that," Anderson said. "This is a street incident. It happens all the time."

[PavePusher]

27. How, exactly, do you propose the government and police guarantee every individuals' security?

We'll be glad to hear your plan.

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. I'm sure the Keystone Kops of legend could do a BETTER JOB than what's been plaguing Oakland all

these years.

:rolleyes:

This is about MAKING positive change, not arguing that it can't be done. Unless you like living with the problems we currently face. Is the thought that a bunch of people camping in public squares can and will change the world also ridiculous?

[PavePusher]

32. I haven't claimed "it can't be done".

I'm asking what your plan is. 'Cause if all you have is platitudes, that's not going to help.

[randome]

33. Agree.

People here at DU have been saying the police should stay the hell away but when something like this happens, they ask, where the hell are the police?

It's ridiculous.

[Fire Walk With Me]

37. I'm not planning anything. What I'm DOING is spreading the facts,

keeping them from being forgotten, attempting to connect interested parties, starting the conversation (even when facing nonsense such as yours), keeping the conversation going, linking to petitions, keeping the fire burning. I've sifted names of brutal sheriffs from footage, those same who beat peaceful students and shot Scott Olsen in the head and passed it around. I've passed around larger lists from those collecting such.

I am calling people to action, because en mass, we create change from our sheer force of numbers in demanding change. Some Berkeley students sought medical attention. I look forward to any stories and photos, which will contribute to the call for change, at their university and against the criminal organization, the Alameda County Sheriffs. Any loss at Alameda will reduce the capacity of the criminal government of Oakland from doing as much harm in the future.

There is more but it is not on-topic for DU.

Thank you for the opportunity to examine what I've been contributing to the cause. This is not all, expect more.. Hey, your trolling didn't end up being wasteful to me. Thanks! And goodbye.

[fascisthunter]

41. well done... and thank you from many here at DU

[PavePusher]

44. Trolling? I think not.

You claim to want change... but have no ideas to offer... and then get cranky when asked.

I don't think I look like the troll here... YMMV.

[xchrom]

10. Recommend

[greyl]

11. "Near", "next to", not "at"

"...the shooting happened next to the camp, not in it. "The only direct Occupy Oakland involvement was in order to provide emergency first-aid services..."
www.ktvu.com/news/news/breaking-news/shooting-injures-one-near-occupy-oakland-encampmen/nFbKP/

Headline of OP article is "Man Shot, Killed Near Occupy Oakland" not at. OP title should be edited.

[Serve The Servants]

14. Headline was changed at the source.

At the time I posted the link, it was accurate.

[greyl]

15. Ah. That's unfortunate. nt

[sabrina 1]

36. Actually it happened outside City Hall. Funny the media

didn't mention that. And it was unrelated to the Occupiers. But that is also being ignored, including by the Mayor who knows the facts, yet couched her words in deceptive phrases intended to connect the two.

It's sad that a human being died, sad that so many die like this in Oakland and eslewhere every day, but even sadder to see the enemies of the people attempt to use it against them for political reasons.

[bemildred]

23. So who was tackling the news reporters to prevent them filming it? nt

[slackmaster]

24. Auto-Unrec for ambiguous use of a preposition

:nuke:

[Serve The Servants]

25. Ok, once again...

The headline of the OP was a direct copy of the headline of the linked article minutes after the story broke. Obviously as more facts developed, NBC changed the article accordingly. You can still see original headline at the end of the link itself.

It's far too late for me to edit the OP.

[slackmaster]

29. There's no need for you to get defensive

It's just an Unrec for poor use of English by whoever wrote it. I understand the LBN forum rules.

[Serve The Servants]

30. Understood

and my apologies.

[EFerrari]

26. One of NBC's sponsors is Chase.

So, I'd read around before you take any of their "reports" as gospel.

[Serve The Servants]

28. Duly noted...

I assembled the OP within 5 minutes after the story broke while I was watching the news on KNTV, the NBC affiliate who happened to have a reporter on scene getting ready to cover Occupy Oakland when the shots were fired.

NBC Bay Area's website was the only news source available to be linked so soon after the incident.

[hack89]

34. Shootings are so common in Oakland

I am surprised this hasn't sooner.

[Fire Walk With Me]

38. Shooting Near Occupy Oakland Camp Leaves One Man Dead, COMPLETELY Unrelated To Occupy Movement

Local media is reporting that a man was shot and killed earlier Thursday evening near the Occupy Oakland camp. According to one reporter, 6-8 shots were fired at the intersection of Broadway and 14th Street.

One protester spoke to the San Francisco Chronicle, “This was not an internal incident. What happened was the result of neighborhood violence. Don’t forget, we’re in downtown Oakland.” One report states that the shooting occurred over a marijuana dispute.

After the shooting, protesters immediately cordoned off the victim by linking arms, shielding him from being photographed and filmed, shouting “no pictures.” After being rushed to a nearby hospital, the man was pronounced dead.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/10/shooting-near-occupy-oakland-camp-leaves-one-man-dead-completely-unrelated-to-occupy-movement/

[marasinghe]

43. meanwhile: 'all across the land, not a shot was to be heard ....

and everywhere was peace & goodwill to all mankind - except where those malcontents were making noise about their hungry kids, their homeless parents and their jobless selves".

yep; as usual, it is the protesters' doing. why the hell can't they all stay at home, or @ their sidewalk pads - if they're homeless - and just die off already. so the hard-working rich get to enjoy the wealth of their labors, without a mass of unemployed rabble disturbing the start of a well-deserved weekend's leisure, for them.

:crazy: