Penn State benches coach that saw child abuse first-hand

[KeepItReal]

Source: MSNBC

Penn State has decided not to let McQueary coach on Saturday "for his own safety"




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ESPN Update:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary, one of the central figures in the burgeoning child sex abuse scandal at the school, will not attend Saturday when the Nittany Lions play their final home game of the season, the school announced Thursday night.

The school cited "multiple threats" as the reason for McQueary's absence Saturday against No. 19 Nebraska.

When asked if he felt McQueary should remain on Penn State's staff, defensive coordinator Tom Bradley, who was appointed Penn State interim coach in the wake of a shakeup that has claimed the jobs of Joe Paterno and other university leaders, said Thursday, "That decision is up to (interim athletic director) Mark Sherburne."

The school's announcement came hours after the board of trustees asked that McQueary not coach from the sideline out of concern for his safety, the Morning Call of Allentown reported. The board does not intend to fire McQueary or ask him to resign, a source told the newspaper.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7215664/penn-state-nittany-lions-mike-mcqueary-not-attend-game-weekend

[ingac70]

1. Why hasn't he been fired?

The people that heard about it are gone (and rightfully so), but this piece of work still has a job?

[KeepItReal]

4. at least 2 sides of that

A) He kept to the chain of command about what he saw at Penn State and didn't rock the boat (good for the program)

B) If they fired him, they may have thought he would have had a case against the university for retaliating against him for whistle-blowing

[ingac70]

6. He should face criminal charges....

for not going to the cops. Don't have to employee someone sitting in jail.

[bluestateguy]

14. Depends on what state law says

Few states have good samaratin laws. Teachers usually are required to report suspected abuse, but I think that only applies to K-12 teachers.

After the murder of Sherrice Iverson in Nevada by Jeremy Strohmeyer in 1997, the state legislature passed a law requiring persons to report child abuse that they witness to the authorities. Strohmeyer's friend David Cash Jr. didn't tell anyone that his friend had just raped and murdered a 7 year old girl in a casino bathroom.

And you are also talking about a 9 year time window. There could be a statute of limitations too.

[MADem]

16. To my horror I learned he--and the rest of those coaches/board members--are NOT mandated reporters

in PA. Nor are they in Massachusetts.

The reason I know this is because some legislator (don't know who) has crafted legislation to close that very loophole in MA.

[roguevalley]

31. but he has more protection than the boys. Sick.

[cutlassmama]

44. so only mandated reporters have to report? Everyone should have

to report child sexual abuse.

[Frank Cannon]

73. Everyone should WANT to report child sexual abuse.

It is absolutely horrifying to me that some people feel like they should be MADE to have to report it.

We live in one fucked-up society. I, for one, will not be sad when the asteroid crashes into us.

[24601]

23. Please cite the specific law that you say he violated. You will find

that there is no such law. So before you throw him in jail, why don't you first determine if he violated the law.

Laws vary from state to state - but generally, special status individuals - usually medical, police, counselors, social workers, teachers, day care workers, etc. are required by law to report abuse or neglect.

In 18 states (Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming) and in Puerto Rico, any person who suspects child abuse or neglect is required to report. This is not the case in Pennsylvania.

And in the remaining 32 states, including Pennsylvania,

- The average citizen with no special status has a legal obligation to tell the truth when testifying in court or when speaking to police, even when there's no requirement to speak with the police, you still may not lie or mislead.

- The average citizen with no special status has no legal obligation to initiate any reporting on any crime or suspected crime.

[AtheistCrusader]

32. Check PA law.

"A person who, in the course of employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313 (relating to reporting procedure) when the person has reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of medical, professional or other training and experience, that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of an agency, institution, organization or other entity with which that person is affiliated is a victim of child abuse, including child abuse by an individual who is not a perpetrator."

The school and the kids football program had a relationship, of course, for the use of the facilities, so it is likely the statute will be found to have applied.

Of course, the son of a bitch will probably get away with it, because of the 2 year statute of limitations on this particular crime.

Edit: Save you the effort of looking for it, sorry I didn't put it in first time:
http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/domestic-relations/00.063.011.000.html

[jeff47]

36. He wasn't a coach at the time

He was a grad student at the time, not a coach.

Even if he had been a coach, he would not regularly come in contact with "children", in that the students at the school are mostly over 18.

[jerseyjack]

53. Re-read the statute. "Regularly" does not appear in the text.

[joeglow3]

67. He was required to report it to autorities OR to his supervisor

Essentially, he did the same thing Paterno did: pass the buck. Sadly, it was all legal.

[jeff47]

71. Still doesn't apply.

1) Not employed by the school nor the charity.

2) Even if he had been employed by the school, would not be "A person who, in the course of employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children", because college students aren't "children".

[ingac70]

41. +1

[24601]

56. Keep reading - you stopped too soon - even if you consider a

grad student an employee - which he isn't in the context of employment law, here's what the statute says about staff members:

(c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person
is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a
member of the staff of a medical or other public or private
institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall
immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person
in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the
designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and
have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made
in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require
more than one report from any such institution, school, facility
or agency.


It requires a report to the institution - which he did - not an independent report to the police. Even if he had been staff at the time, he would have complied with the law.

So, shall we still jail him for going beyond his legal obligation? Why the hell not - might deter others from following the law as well. And if everybody followed the law, we'd be in a right-awful mess.

[FarPoint]

54. He should of immediately interrupted the crime in progress.

Witnessing a rape of a child while in progress requires one to stop the crime as best as possible...not walk away and think about how shocked one is at the scene....thats an ethical crime for this guy.

[OhioChick]

2. He should be fired, too n/t

[Gman]

3. Why aren't the people that so wanted Paterno fired

also wanting the very person who was an eye-witness and didn't report it to the police? He's the very first person who had the responsibility to call the police.

[Tansy_Gold]

9. Some of us are. n/t

[KeepItReal]

12. Word. There's a special place in hell for McQueary

He put his job and the football program above the safety of a little child.

Shameful.

[Gin]

58. wonder what he would do if that child was his daughter and he

walked in on the rape...would he leave and call his dad?

How could he live with that memory all these years? and the fact that he walked away and didn't even help the kid at that moment....

sorry ass.

[pennylane100]

19. If your question is being asked out of concern for the young victim,

you may want to ask why did the person who witnessed a ten year old child being raped by a fifty five year old man not intervene to stop a brutal assault and then call police. However, if your concern is for the fact that Paterno may be blamed more harshly than the other enablers of a child rapist, you might want to pose that question to the district attorney handling the case, that is her or his call. Either way, they are both scum.

[frylock]

35. are you reading through this thread?

the people that so wanted paterno fired ARE wanting the very person who was an eye-witness and didn't report it to the police to be fired as well.

[Marrah_G]

59. I don't know anyone who thinks he shouldnt be fired immediately.

And frankly most people i've talked to on the topic think he should be in jail for walking away from a child being raped.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. There will be no one left. nt

[Gin]

10. he's the only eye witness.... that's leverage....and he is using it to his

advantage...time will tell. IMO

[Lugnut]

40. Then so be it.

Those who are left are so entrenched in this football-above-all mentality a clean sweep might relieve some of the stench.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

68. True - Sometimes it seems that sports have become more important than anything else in life nt

[bluestateguy]

7. Wasn't he the 28 year old graduate assistant who reported the rape he saw?

Unless I am mixing him up with someone else, it would seem that he did the right thing. He saw it, consulted his father as to how to handle it all, and then reported it. He was a mere graduate assistant at the time: about as low down the food chain as you can be in the athletic hierarchy. It is not his fault if the whole thing went down the bureaucratic black hole after he reported it.

[KeepItReal]

8. He was a grown-ass man who saw a 10 year old boy being molested

And DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

[Tom Ripley]

69. Thank you!

[Bluenorthwest]

11. A 28 year old former quarterback sees a child being raped and

he calls his daddy? Not the police? And waits until the next day to 'report' it to his boss? How does that work? At what age does one stop calling daddy to ask what to do when seeing a violent attack on a child?
I do not understand sports culture.

[Tansy_Gold]

13. He was a 28-year-old graduate assistant who did NOTHING

to stop the rape of a 10-year-old boy.

He is not a small man and he certainly had the physical capability to stop what he saw being done. He made no effort to stop it. NONE.

He could have stopped it and then, after the boy was safe, called his father for advice, but he did NOTHING TO STOP THE CRIME HE WITNESSED HAPPENING.



Now, would you want someone like that coaching your kids? Your grandkids? ANYONE's kids?



TG

[bluestateguy]

17. The indictment (p.7) says he reported it to Paterno

Which right there is when the runaround appears to have begun. I don't think (or I can't prove) that that is what the graduate assistant intended, but that is what happened. And therin seems to have been the problem from the get-go: treating this as a team discipline matter to be reported to Coach, rather than a violent criminal act against a child.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment

[Tansy_Gold]

22. Regardless what the reporting laws are. . . .

Please read this post carefully so you know what I'm writing and not what you may THINK I'm writing ---

REGARDLESS WHAT THE REPORTING LAWS ARE, McQueary -- age 28 at the time and thus an adult, a graduate student and therefore educated, an assistant to a coach and therefore one presumes capable of making on-the-spot decisions to get the job done, and a former athlete himself so presumably physically capable of effecting an intervention -- DID NOTHING TO STOP WHAT HE KNEW OR AT LEAST SUSPECTED TO BE A CRIME, A VIOLENT AND SERIOUS CRIME INVOLVING A YOUNG CHILD.

Am I making myself clear? Regardless what the fine points of the law regarding reporting of suspected child abuse/molestation/endangerment/rape might be, McQueary always had the moral obligation to stop what he thought (based on his subsequent phone call to his father) was a rape of a child.

HE DID NOTHING.

He could have walked into the shower and said something as innocuous as "Hey, Jerry, what's goin' on here?" and it might have stopped the crime.

HE DID FUCKING NOTHING!!!!!

Was it a minute before he called his father? Five minutes? Five hours? I don't care -- because he did NOTHING TO STOP THE RAPE.

There is the letter of the law and there is the spirit of the law. The law tells you what you are required to do, but that doesn't mean that's all you have to do morally and ethically and humanly.

As a human being, McQueary had a moral and ethical obligation to that child to stop what he believed was a rape. HE. DID. ABSOFUCKINGLYTELY. NOTHING.



This tells me, the uninformed outsider, that there is a very toxic climate at Penn State in which the moral values of responsibility for the well-being, health, and safety of the vulnerable members of society are ignored or at best deemed to be distant seconds to WINNING. WINNERS are sacrosanct, WINNING is all that matters, LOSERS are less than human because WE are WINNERS and LOSERS are not US.

This is, imho, a classic example of dehumanizing the other, it's classic authoritarianism, it's sick and it's disgusting and it's evil. If McQueary believes that his only obligation is to teach his players how to play to win but he has no obligation to teach them how to live as human beings in a civilized society, then he himself is a failure as a human being. And because he is a product of Penn State, and especially of the Penn State football program, then Penn State is a failure, and its football program is an epic fail -- and I'm not always sure I even know what that means.

[RamboLiberal]

27. +1000

[Zoeisright]

38. THANK you.

Please make this a post by itself, because you have stated EXACTLY what is right. Too many people here are excusing the enablers of child rapists because "they weren't mandated reporters". As if that matters one tiny fucking bit.

[Lugnut]

39. +2000 n/t

[U4ikLefty]

43. That was so good.

[ashling]

46. Never be afraid to do what's right

[Frank Cannon]

47. Word up.

I really don't understand what the controversy is. Have we gone so far down the rabbit hole as a society that this is even up for discussion?

[myrna minx]

72. Thank you. n/t

[freshwest]

37. Somethings don't require analysis. You stop it. Right then. No answers or orders needed. Period.

[freshwest]

28. Freaking bizarre. I would have yanked the old bastard off the kid. Right then and there.

Nothing would have been able to stop me except being knocked out or killed. Nothing.

I've intervened before. No way that would happen in front of me. Period.

[Frank Cannon]

48. I know. It's crazy.

I can't tell you EXACTLY what I would have done if I had walked in on a tableau like that, but I can guarantee you that sick fuck's life would have changed dramatically right there.

[Hawkowl]

49. No kidding

The only reason I wouldn't have beaten him to death on the spot is the trauma that would inflict on the child. I still have a hard time understanding these sick enabling sons of bitches.

[Ruby the Liberal]

55. So, if you see a 10 year old child being ass raped, you should walk away and phone a friend?

Is that your moral advice on this topic?

This isn't about who he told (or didn't tell) in as much as it is about a man who walked away and allowed an assault on a child to continue unimpeded.

[Marrah_G]

60. He was a grown man who walked away from a child being raped.

He should be in jail for doing nothing to stop it.

[DesertRat]

15. Everyone involved should go to jail

for violating mandatory reporting laws and their retirement pensions should go to the victim. They probably stayed silent because I bet they were all donating to second mile. IRS should audit them too.

"If we don't stand up for children, then we don't stand for much." Marian Wright Edelman

[grasswire]

18. it's time to say that Penn State football is a CULT

That's the only real explanation for the silence and the fear and the hiding of depravity.

[nevergiveup]

26. I would have never thought of the word "cult"

but think you are spot-on.

[Angry Dragon]

20. I do not know how he can sleep at night

Is he married, have kids??

[Ruby the Liberal]

57. Local press reporting not married, but he has a young daughter.

[SoapBox]

21. The Ed Show tonight, just roasted the whole bunch...

And his guests, MOST of them, really gave Penn State hell.

As you guy said, this basically like the Catholic Church scandal, just on a smaller basis...Smaller? Well,
we will see about that.

Now, this comment is gonna be VERY, VERY, kind of weird...The indication is that Coach Perv, sodomized
this 10 year old boy.

Sodomy, as it is in Dictionary.com:
sod·om·y


noun
1.
anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

2.
copulation with a member of the same sex.

3.
bestiality (def. 4).

So...was it oral...or was it anal. IF it was anal, it would be rape? And the poor kid would have
probably had physical damage. I don't want all this to sound sick and perverted on my part...but
the kid should have needed medical attention if it was the REALLY bad thing.

And WHY exactly was this 10 year old alone in this college locker room shower with this sicko?

...just trying to separate the fact from the drama.

[freshwest]

29. Why were they alone? He was an authority figure. Question everything, every order, every time.

[SoapBox]

30. Exactly...

I should just be tuning this whole thing out BUT, damn, there is too much of this garbage going on.

Not making ANY excuses for those that knew about this shit, I suppose there was the TOTAL fear
factor by those that did know. Who was gonna have the balls to really rock the Penn State "boat"? Just
look at the current story about the way military remains were handled at Dover. The whistle blowers
that were demoted and fired (finally to be restored).

I simply don't understand, in America, how something SO bad is covered up. What a complete
moral failure on so many levels and in so many situations.

[freshwest]

33. Kinda weird too, that there seems to be no instinct to protect a child. No respect.

[Frank Cannon]

50. Sexual activity with a 10-year-old is rape, period.

It doesn't matter how it was "administered".

[Lars39]

70. And if he needed medical attention and received it, who was the medical person?

And why aren't they in jail?

[pacalo]

24. The fact that this man wasn't fired along with Paterno shows how serious Pitt State is about doing

the right thing. This huge man -- much bigger than the child molester -- could have easily put a stop to what he witnessed. There is no excuse for his not having done so.

And shame on those student protesters who are ethically challenged & can only see the football aspect of this.

This entire story is unbelievable.

[Tansy_Gold]

25. It's Penn State, not Pitt n/t

[pacalo]

42. I knew that looked funny when I saw it typed out but couldn't put my finger on it.

:rofl:

Thanks, TansyG.

[krispos42]

34. That'll teach him to go after child molesters next time

As well as setting a sterling example for society that child molestation will not be tolerated.



:sarcasm:

[alp227]

45. Penn State: Soft on crime.

Sighhhh...secrets can and do come out. And I think that Mike McQueary was part of the cover-up. The board should've thrown him out along with PedoPaterno and the president.

[Chef Eric]

51. So, the interim coach passes the buck to the interim AD. The circus continues. nt

[OneBlueSky]

52. methinks we've only seen the tip of the iceberg here . . .

where there's smoke, there's fire . . . and this whole thing smells like a Stones concert in the 70's, when all you had to do to get high was breathe . . . lots more smoke here than has been discovered or disclosed, and there are enough shoes left to drop to fill Imelda Marcos' closet . . .

[kas125]

61. They're concerned for his safety. What on earth is wrong with

that place? Where was HIS concern for the safety of the little boy he saw being raped and then turned and walked away? What kind of sick person walks away from a little child being brutalized? Certainly not one who deserves to roam free among our society. But I imagine they're right to be concerned for his safety because I'm sure there are many people who don't condone allowing children to be raped before your very eyes who would love to beat the hell out of him. And I can't say I blame them.

[Omaha Steve]

62. PSU: McQueary Won't Coach Saturday Due to Threats

Source: AP-Excite

By GENARO C. ARMAS

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) - Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary will miss Saturday's game against Nebraska after the school said he received "multiple threats."

McQueary testified in a grand jury investigation that eventually led to child sex-abuse charges being filed against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. The ensuing scandal brought down longtime coach Joe Paterno, who was fired by the university on Wednesday amid growing criticism that he should have done more to stop the alleged abuse.

McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower, encountered similar scrutiny. The university's athletic department released a one-line statement Thursday night saying it would be "in the best interest of all" if the receivers coach didn't attend the season's final home game at Beaver Stadium.

Earlier Thursday, coach Tom Bradley, named by the school to replace Paterno on an interim basis, said it was up to university administrators to decide if McQueary should coach. Bradley also said he was not part of any discussion about potentially dismissing McQueary.


Read more: http://sports.excite.com/news/11112011/v4732.html

[Submariner]

63. PENN State should cancel the rest of their season as acknowledgment

of the seriousness of this pedophile matter.

If they don't, I predict some on the field fist fights as rival teams taunt PENN State when lined up on the scrimmage line.

[Hosnon]

64. Least of his worries if there's a Hell.

Shrugging off a young boy getting raped undoubtedly earns you a special place there.

[Bonhomme Richard]

65. This guy is even more of a coward than I thought he was.

Which ain't easy.

[d_r]

66. disgusting.