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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:13 AM
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Obama: Penn State abuse cause for 'soul-searching'
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 12:16 AM by alp227
Source: AP

President Barack Obama says the Penn State sex-abuse scandal should lead to "soul-searching" by all Americans, not just Penn State.

"Obviously what happened was heartbreaking, especially for the victims, the young people who got affected by these alleged assaults," he told Westwood One Radio in an interview Friday night, in his first public comments on the scandal.

"And I think it's a good time for the entire country to do some soul-searching -- not just Penn State. People care about sports, it's important to us, but our No. 1 priority has to be protecting our kids. And every institution has to examine how they operate, and every individual has to take responsibility for making sure that our kids are protected."

The Penn State scandal has cost several university officials their jobs, most notably longtime football coach Joe Paterno and President Graham Spanier. They were fired because trustees felt they did not do enough to alert law enforcement authorities after an alleged assault in March 2002 by Jerry Sandusky, Paterno's former assistant and onetime heir apparent, who has been charged with molesting eight boys over 15 years.

Read more: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=7222263



Oh, for some entertainment, look at how low Freepers sink when commenting on this story. I was searching for this article and then this FR page came up... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2806301/posts
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:32 AM
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:59 AM
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2. souls can mean many things. I am not 'religious' but I know I have
a soul. It is the sum total of all that I am. Really, he is using language correctly and it can be taken as religious expression I suppose. I don't. I do agree with you however that he needed to speak sooner. That part of him needs to evolve. On that, Chollyocker, we agree. Take care.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:04 AM
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4. I didn't take it as a religious remark either,
You summed it up nicely,
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 07:11 PM
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25. Speak sooner? You mean before the message was focus-group
tested with PA voters? Good joke - I'm still chuckling.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:00 AM
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3. Well this was obviously a response to a question
from the interviewer. It wasn't so much a statement as it was an off-the -cuff comment. So I wouldn't give it more serious consideration than he gave it when he said it. Does he really think soul searchIng is the cure here? No. No one does.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:15 AM
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5. The FR link is vile! Probably some of the worst comments I've read in a long time
How do these people live with themselves? And any voice of reason is considered a troll! Amazing.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:16 AM
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6. The only thing more disgusting than a pedophile is a freerepublic poster...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:34 AM
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8. A poster (anywhere) is worse than a pedophile? Seriously?
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:16 AM
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7. How about he do some soul searching
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 03:18 AM by JJW
and pass some real laws, because I don't see anyone going to jail. This is terrible but, his banking buddies on Wall Street do much more harm, every day.

Dropping bombs from predator drones, on children isn't nice too.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:11 AM
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10. Define "real laws".
Perhaps you would like to see trials eliminated? Sandusky has been indicted on several counts. We do still, the last I checked, live in a country in which we are innocent until proven guilty. Should the president eliminate that part of our Constitution by executive order?

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:55 AM
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12. "...innocent until proven guilty. " Tell that to al Alawki. Oh wait...he's dead. eom
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:07 PM
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16. Yeah, you nailed the hypocrisy evident in Obama's remarks. If children
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 12:10 PM by coalition_unwilling
are the #1 priority, then dropping bombs on them with drone aircraft sort of undermines that priority.

Oh, wait, those are 'their' children and Obama was only referring to 'our' children.

OTOH, everyone knows they are terrorists disguised as children, so bombing them with drones is OK.

Hope I don't need the :sarcasm:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:25 PM
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26. Thank you. Cutting safety nets during the worst economy since the Great Depression,
Edited on Sun Nov-13-11 08:38 PM by woo me with science
aggressively protecting criminal banks and tax cuts for wealthy cronies, and dropping drones on children.

Not exactly an effective high horse from which to lecture on right and wrong.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:35 AM
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9. It's a cause for criminal prosecution, for all who knew, had a duty to report and did not report.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:36 AM
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11. The President cares about sports and his faith, as we see in
his words, but frankly, he is part of the 'no accountability' movement, he is the 'look the other way, turn the page' guy. The culture he builds, in which sports is paramount, bullies rule all, name calling and hate preachers are acceptable and no crime no matter how large is punished helps create the impunity under which more crimes are committed. DaVinci said- he who refuses to punish evil commands it to occur.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:37 AM
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13. The President nailed it, and I think Americans are doing a lot of soul searching
1) People are imagining what they might have done if in McQuery's position, etc.

2) People are also thinking more about the signs of a pedophile, and what people should look out for.

3) We're also comparing the moral vs. legal obligations we have when it comes to protecting children.

4) Is it appropriate to remain quiet about a heinous crime to keep one's job? (Re: the posts defending the janitors for not calling the police)
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 10:24 AM
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14. Interesting FReeper comments.
Apparently child rape is not nearly as upsetting to them as abortion. Gotta love those priorities.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 02:42 PM
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19. No paradox there. Will create more children to abuse. Supply side pedos.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 10:51 AM
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15. Did I miss the part of the speech
about soul searching about those secret prisons of torture, waterboarding, invading another country with no justification? So when are the war crimes trials Mr O?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:07 AM
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18. We still engage in "extraordinary" rendition. And, I believe, still operate Bagram.
Amnesty International has, I believe, called upon President Obama to end both.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:53 PM
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17. Oh, noes!
Oh, the hand-wringing! Oh, the teeth-gnashing! Oh, the raucous cries of "if it had been me"!

Child abuse is rampant in our species, in large part because so many of us are in deep denial about both the actual occurrence of child abuse AND about how pervasive is this horrific crime. Think how much more denial occurs when the perpetrator is a trusted friend or family member.

For those of us who are SURVIVORS of childhood sexual abuse, the pain of these experiences remains with us for the duration of our tenure on this earth. Survivors must find their own measure of recovery, often without the support of family or friends. In fact, here are a few of the messages I got after my baby sister outed our abuser (and, I had no idea he had abused my two younger sisters):

"I cannot BELIEVE that Homer would do such a thing!" (name changed to protect his adult children)

"Did you like it?"

"Why did you let him do that to you?"

"He says you seduced him."

"I never let Homer get to me!" (this from my other baby sister, also a survivor, because our abuser never raped her vaginally)

To this day, many members of our family--and some of our family's friends--blame me, my two sisters, and virtually ANYONE else other than the abuser.

For those of you who continue to pontificate about "who's to blame," or what you might have done if you had witnessed the rape of a ten-year-old boy: you can channel all of your anger and disgust to a positive end: be an advocate for ALL children. Learn to recognize the signs of abuse. Be a Big Brother or a Big Sister. Most importantly, ALWAYS BELIEVE a child who tells you that Uncle Homer "makes me do yucky stuff."

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:27 PM
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27. I also am a bit pissed that this discussion is about President Obama.
Edited on Sun Nov-13-11 08:28 PM by Jennicut
I was molested as a kid by a family friend and I later worked with children that were sexually and physically abused after I graduated college with a psych degree. It was a group home and the pain these children were in...trying to commit suicide at the age of 7 is heartbreaking. Depression, loneliness, lack of trust of adults. I even had one 10 year old boy try to touch me inappropriately. It was all he knew in terms of affection toward adults because his mother sexually abused him.
I get that some people have issues with Obama. But I prefer to focus on the issue he addressed. A lot of people at Penn State dropped the ball here.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 03:54 PM
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20. You could use some soul searching too, Mr. President, regarding child soldier waivers.
2010: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/25/presidential-memorandum-child-soldiers-prevention-act">Executive Order Presidential Memorandum -- Child Soldiers Prevention Act
2011: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/10/04/presidential-memorandum-child-soldiers-prevention-act-2008">Executive Order Presidential Memorandum -- Child Soldiers Prevention Act of 2008

http://www.facebook.com/notes/leadership-directories/obama-ignores-child-soldiers-protection-act-for-the-second-year-in-a-row/10150333330011129?ref=nf">Obama Ignores Child Soldiers Protection Act for the Second Year in a Row
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/obama-child-soldiers-waives-penalties_n_995379.html">President Obama Waives Penalties On Countries That Use Child Soldiers
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/obama-waives-child-soldier-ban-yemen-congo/story?id=14663930">Obama Waives Child Soldier Ban in Yemen and Congo

From the article in the OP:
Obama said that the scandal shows that "you can't just rely on bureaucracy and systems in these kinds of situations. People have to step forward, they have to be tapping into just their core decency." When kids are mistreated -- or anyone, for that matter -- "all of us have to step up, we don't leave it to somebody else to take responsibility."


PB
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 04:16 PM
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21. instead of soul searching
I searched google and found this. In 2006, the Centre county DA bagan an investigation into Sandusky. For reasons unknown, the DA did not follow through pressing charges. Not long after, the DA'S car was found beside the susquehanna river. The DA's broken computer was found nearby, minus the hardrive and no information could be recovered from it. The state AG AT THE TIME WAS TOM CORBETT. FORGET SOUL SEARCHING HOW ABOUT A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 04:18 PM
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22. almost forgot
To mention. The body of the Centre county da Has never been found.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 04:35 PM
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23. Kind of the like the "soul-searching" Obama has done by letting Wall St. off the hook
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 06:50 PM
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24. fact check
Sorry. Turns out the centre county d.a. investigated Sandusky in '98. He turned up missing in '06. There still may be a connection. And imho a full scale fed investigation would be the best thing to come out of this.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:31 PM
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28. Fire anyone who knew and didn't say, hire anew and move forward
Make sure this NEVER happens again
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 11:27 PM
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29. Obama says #1 priority has to be protecting kids ... ???? hmmmm....
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