Climate change episode of Frozen Planet won't be shown in the U.S. as viewers don't believe in globa

[dipsydoodle]

Source: Daiy Mail


An episode of the BBC's Frozen Planet documentary series that looks at climate change has been scrapped in the U.S., where many are hostile to the idea of global warming.

British viewers will see all seven episodes of the multi-million-pound nature series throughout the Autumn.

But U.S. audiences will not be shown the last episode, which looks at the threat posed by man to the natural world.

It is feared a show that preaches global warming could upset viewers in the U.S., where around half of people do not believe in climate change.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061663/Frozen-Planet-Climate-change-episode-wont-shown-US.html

[plumbob]

1. And so ignorance trumps knowledge.

Again.

[hourglass1]

32. sad but true ...

discovery is owned by the 1% ... who favor an uninformed populace ...

Gingrich: Republicans ‘don’t rely enough on actually knowing things’

[24601]

82. Al Gore is not in the 99%. Never was & never will be. n/t

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

113. Newt Gingerich served divorce papers on his wife when she was bedstricken...

... with cancer. No denying it. It is the thing of legends. ;)

[No Elephants]

156. No one was attacking Newt, yet you reached that far to defend him. You must be a very fair minded

person.

You should post here a lot more often than you have been posting.

[dotymed]

165. Neither was FDR, but he had empathy and integrity. n/t

[fasttense]

135. The ONLY people that do not believe in Global Warming are the

ones that refuse to open their eyes and look around. Either that, or they are just too stupid to realize that even if there is the smallest chance that the Climatologist's are correct we only have ONE PLANET TO LIVE ON......and that is the definition of STUPIDITY !!!

[Amimnoch]

158. Not only that, but even IF the nay-sayers were correct...

It still boggles my head why they are opposed to reducing the damage to the environment, and looking to clean alternative fuel sources...

Okay, just to totally play devils advocate for a few seconds and go into the naysayers real of non-reality..

Lets just say.. for a second.. that Climatologists are wrong, man-made global warming isn't real...
Lets just say.. for a second.. That all of the millions of cubic tons of Co2 and other chemicals that are being thrown into the atmosphere have absolutely no effect on global climate, and temperatures.
Lets suspend all logic and and go with all the science being "made up" or "wrong"...

it fucking STILL makes sense to push for alternative and clean sources of energy!!

Conservative nay-sayers are such fucking idiots that they don't even SEE that pushing for clean alternative energy sources benefits THEIR fucked up point of views as it does ours..

After all, aren't they the ones that hate a religion, and people that makes up almost 25% of the planets population? Wouldn't clean alternative energy sources be "sticking it to the middle easterners?" (please note, i do NOT subscribe to this screwed up thought process)

I mean REALLY, why do they hate the idea of clean alternative energy sources so damn much??? It produces energy independence, in the long term it will produce cheaper energy, AND horror of horrors.. MAY save the life of our entire fucking race, and planet!!!

[chervilant]

35. Which is why

several Miss USA candidates this past summer asserted that we should not teach math in school, because "it's not in the Bible."

[stockholmer]

49. it was evolution, not math n/t

[wial]

56. to be sure, but evolution IS math

Evolution is how the math of cumulative selection expresses itself in physical reality. It's as mathematical as thermodynamics -- but it takes the form of a looping algorithm. Read the early sections of The Blind Watchmaker where Dawkins explains all this incredibly well.

[stockholmer]

66. yes, I understand the correlation, I was simply directly quoting the subject question referred to

A multiplicity of things can be reduced to mathematics, but not all are subject to the quackery of religion.

cheers

[chervilant]

99. hmm...

There's video, and it WAS math. Their answers, including the assertion that math is not in the Bible, were appalling.

[chervilant]

104. Oopsies, sorry

the video I received is a clever parody of the evolution question. Still find it appalling that these young people are so clueless about evolution.

[stockholmer]

155. completely agree

[24601]

83. Plenty of math in the Bible - 1st letter this, 2nd letter that, so many

cubits & so on. All sorts of begatting in there too which also adds to the numbers.

Even an occasional Jaw Bone of an Ass.

Who knew?

[tavalon]

111. Sometimes that jawbone of an ass

is a pretty stupid young thang.

[No Elephants]

140. When used as a weapon to kill a thousand people, almost anything is stupid.

Then again, being robbed of strength, then blinded and chained does tend to make a man cranky.

[No Elephants]

141. Posted my reply 138 before I read your response. We both recalled the cubits and the begats, though!

[malaise]

120. Ding ding we have a winner

:fistbump:

[No Elephants]

138. Seems to me Noah, following directions, supposedly from God, as to how to build the ark, and

the Israelites, also following directions supposedly from God, on how to build the temple, had to know and use a fair amount of math. And heaven knows, someone had to know how to count to figure out how many years Methuselah and all the others lived.

Not to mention how many calculations modern "interpreters" of the Bible do to figure out when the world will end, all of which is supposedly based in the Bible.

No, the Bible does not lack math. Perhaps the pageant contestants who claim there is no math in the Bible need to read the Bible more. Or take a trip to Oz and ask the wizard for a better brain.

[civilisation]

126. the problem is FAITH!

faith is the conscious choice to ignore reality. Beliefs not based on proof, but on old books written by just people, who knew less than we do now.

[No Elephants]

142. All faith is not based upon old books. Some is based on the promises and apparent sincerity of

politicians, for example.

[sarcasmo]

180. +1

[Ganja Ninja]

128. I don't buy the angry audience excuse.

It's more like angry advertisers.

[ixion]

2. how embarrassing

seriously. :(

[No Elephants]

157. The TV execs who made the decision should be embarrassed, yes.

Both for making the decision and for blaming it on the American people as a whole, instead of admitting the real reason.

[No Elephants]

3. Something seems off. First, many in the US believe in global warming. Second, since

when does TV air only documentaries as to which 100% of a viewing audience agrees? Especially when they originated with the BBC?

Not plausible.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Something doesn't seem right to me either.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

65. Or me. It sounds like a stunt.

I'm not believing this explanation until I read more about it.

[dipsydoodle]

5. Well it does state

"In the U.S., Frozen Planet is being aired by Discovery. They were involved in the joint-production of the series. Yet they are still refusing to accommodate Frozen Planet in its entirety."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061663/Frozen-Planet-Climate-change-episode-wont-shown-US.html#ixzz1dnwte7iL

[progressoid]

9. Discovery - they also own TLC that aired Palin's Alaska.

Nuff said.

[alp227]

38. plus, Discovery Channel is a commercial network while BBC is a noncom public network

I speculate that Discovery is afraid that ExxonMobil won't buy any more ads on the network.

[freshwest]

55. Not the fault of the general populace. Another teabag anti-reality move.

[No Elephants]

136. Self delete. Dupe

[No Elephants]

137. No one is disputing the refusal to air. The alleged rationale for the refusal, however, does not

bear up to analysis.

Thousands of documentaries have been aired to educate, precisely BECAUSE many people do not believe in the position taken in the documentary.


Saying we are not airing this because we do not have 100% agreement from Americans BEFORE we air it makes no sense at all as a rationale for not airing it.

[progressoid]

10. $$$

[LanternWaste]

17. I believe the Ken Burns documentary 'The War'

I believe the Ken Burns documentary 'The War' was heavily edited after post-production to better satisfy special interest groups and opinion and the network.

So it appears that if editing a program to avoid negative publicity is in fact a real thing, it doesn't seem too different to imagine an episode simply being left off. :shrug:

[No Elephants]

144. PBS, catering to the right wing? Hundreds of DUers will tell you not only

that it doesn't happen but will call you a right wing troll for daring to imply such a thing.


Criticize PBS or NPR for having gone right wing and someone will say DU is getting like Freep.


Yes, I know that doesn't make sense. But, I've seen it time and again.

[mopinko]

147. the whole point of the funding hostage dramas was

to push rightwingers onto boards of directors. it has happened. i can't even listen to npr national programming anymore. thank ja wbez is still an actual public radio station.

[No Elephants]

164. I agree with you. And I think it began when Dummya was elected and the

Republicans held both houses.

Here's an example of what came of that.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2040

There was also the 2009 show on the Kennedys, with right wingers like Midge Decter doing venomous commentary.

But, as I said, that kind of comment about PBs could get me called a right winger at DU. Go figure.

[dotymed]

181. I didn't realize that there are DU'ers who do not realize that

PBS has been infiltrated by the R/W. Even Bill Moyers, who was THE voice of PBS for decades will freely attest to r/w takeover of PBS. He tried to work within the compromised system. He fought for the independence of PBS, and lost. He finally retired from the compromised "public" station.

Luckily, there are still a few independent media sources (and the number is growing !) where we can get the truth. I watch and support FREE SPEECH T.V., now we have Current T.V. which I just recently began watching and I strongly recommend this station.

Most of our independent networks discuss the issues of the people across the world and keep these issues in the public light (as much as they can, being non-corporate tends to hinder their ability to reach most of our population).

I do however worry that because these independent networks tend to (like me) view events from the perspective of the "left" and the victimized, that sometimes (you would be surprised at how often they encourage r/w spokespeople to give their perspective of these events and how often their requests are met with "no comment") the viewers do not get a well rounded discussion of events that affect them.

When we had THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE in effect, the MSM was required to be honest in their reporting and inclusive in their commentary. I prefer that model over the us-vs-them media mindset that we sometimes have today.

However, there can be no doubt about the r/w control that is exerted over PBS.

IMO, even if THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE were reinstated, the need for networks like Free Speech T.V. and (now) Current T.V. would still exist.

[LanternWaste]

160. No... not the right wing, rather a coalition of Hispanic groups.

I think PBS was under pressure from a coalition of Hispanic and Latino groups rather than the conservative demographic in this particular instance.

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/4/13/pbs_criticized_for_excluding_latino_native

[No Elephants]

167. Well, there's is always the exception. But, most of the time, it's the RW objecting that PBS is too

leftish.

I didn't see The War, so I have no comment on whether the controversy was justified.

[Citizen Worker]

22. In polite circles it would rightfully be called censorship but we won't say that.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. Well, I'm not polite, and I do call it censorship.

I'm guessing it's got more to do with corporate media/corporate interests than fears that Americans will be offended.

Fucking media consolidation!

[tblue37]

89. Only *government* censorship of speech is outlawed in the Constitution, though.

Private parties are free to censor whatever they like when they own the medium of speech.

[No Elephants]

146. Not sure why you are bringing the Constitution into this. No one else had.

True, not all censorship is from the government. However, most censorship is odious, whether private or governmental.

Moreover, lines between public and private censorship are not always hard and bright.

Congress rumbles about cutting funds to public broadcasting because public broadcasting is allegedly too leftist or too gay friendly. Lo and behold, programming on PBS changes and some things are not aired.

A decision by private persons at PBS, or government censorship. And who has standing to sue, especially if the funding is not actually cut--this time--but the rumbling suffices to make PBS executives soil their linen and change their ways?

[RaleighNCDUer]

85. It is less the problem of global warming than the idea that man is responsible for it.

THAT is heresy.

[No Elephants]

171. Not heresy, in the Bibllical sense.

In the bible, Man (and/or his rib, Woman) is responsible for everything bad that happens anywhere on the Planet, although Satan is usually involved in there somewhere, too.



But, it's "In man's fall, we sinneth all."


Satan's fall just doesn't get enough publicity.

[dotymed]

170. But, this "decision" does tend to reinforce the beliefs of the

few who do not believe in climate change. They can say; "see, they know Americans are too smart to believe in man made climate change, so they don't even try to sneak it past us."

This was obviously a corporate decision, not based on the beliefs of Americans. It was based on the need to protect corporations from the truth.

[No Elephants]

172. I don't know exactly what it was based on. I do know that the rationale that was given doesn't make

much sense, though.

[arcane1]

6. Yes, the last thing we want to do is "upset" people over something upsetting

Sometimes it's freakin' embarrassing to be an American.

[No Elephants]

173. Why should a decision by RW television executives embarrass you?

A majority of Americans sometimes make bad decisions. The re-elections of Nixon and Reagan, among other things, certainly prove that. And those bad decisions sometimes make me embarrassed to be an American.

The American government sometimes makes bad decisions, perhaps very often, in fact. And those bad decisions sometimes make me embarrassed to be an American.

However, what the RW executives who run the Discovery Channel decide does not make me embarrassed to be an American, no matter what bs they choose to spout about why they decided what they decided.

Please see also Replies 152 and 157.

[IDemo]

7. I sure hope they didn't touch on an old Earth or evolution...

[Ship of Fools]

8. Seriously embarassing. Wouldn't want to upset the ingoramuses?

SOMETIMES I HATE THIS COUNTRY!!

[MedicalAdmin]

21. Wouldn't that be ignorami?

Plural of dumbass.

[No Elephants]

148. Why condemn an entire nation for a decision and a bs rationale by the Discovery Channel?

[No Elephants]

169. Please see Replies 3. and 152.

[Fumesucker]

11. I know who Attenborough is and I had no idea who Joe Paterno was before the scandal..

[leftyohiolib]

12. i think it was abc that aired a right wing version of 911 that upset a whole lot more people

the one where they showed bill clinton listening to someone saying about having osama in their sights and b.c. hangs up the phone. no on3 worri3d that that would upset people.

[No Elephants]

150. You do know that it didn't happen that way, don't you?

Wow, of all the things on tv that are true that upset the right, you sure picked a weird example.

[leftyohiolib]

197. yea i know. my point was that that garbage upset people and it was still aired

so if corp america tv is not going to show that it's not because theyre afraid of upsetting people. therefore they are lying

[GodlessBiker]

13. I bet the US network told the BBC that they would refuse to air it.

[defendandprotect]

77. Agree -- OIL and COAL industry now control Congress -- I'm sure they could handle killing this -- !!

[concord]

134. And ^THAT is what's really going on ... can't stop burning oil

The short sightedness of it all is sickening.

[Bennyboy]

14. "you aint gonna learn what you don't wanna know..."

Like those IDIOTS would watch BBC??????

[ThomThom]

143. true it

[hay rick]

15. If we ignore it, maybe it will go away.

Cowards.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. It was reported the number of Americans who believe the earth is warming rose from 75% to 83%

In the past year. It was a Reuters/Ipsos poll a couple of months ago. I don't have a link handy, but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

[MedicalAdmin]

23. It doesn't matter how many peasants believe the science and numbers.

It only matters what the owners think and can profit from. THAT is the only consideration.

[Amonester]

25. Bingo.

Beat me to it.

Even if we're 'experiencing' very (record-breaking) mild temperatures here north of the border (Quebec) these days (if it wasn't so scary, it would be real fun).

[MedicalAdmin]

81. Bon chance mon ami.

Bon chance.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

183. Of course. My only point was they're falsely stating the reason for not airing it

The more they tell people the majority disagree with something, the less likely people are to argue the fact with their peers for fear of ridicule.

Everything they do is by design.

[MedicalAdmin]

190. That is an astute observation.

Do you think, at this time, that there is any news I the USA that isn't psyops?

[EC]

18. What shit.

Maybe people NEED to get upset over global warming.(climate change) They seem to forget that if half do not believe, that still leaves half that do. I hope they still show it on BBC America.

[barbtries]

19. all the more reason

to show it here. who made this decision?

[The Wielding Truth]

96. Network heads are accused by Harry Huyton, head of climate change for the RSPB.

Discovery had dropped the full seventh episode due to 'scheduling issues', the spokesman added.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061663/Frozen-Planet-Climate-change-episode-wont-shown-US.html#ixzz1dpwLi13e

[Lunabelle]

20. Amercans need to get off their high horse

and realize what they're doing to this planet.

[chervilant]

36. Therein

lies the rub. Too many big energy corporations in the US do NOT want 'truthiness' about global climate change, else they'd have to 'clean up their act.'

[No Elephants]

152. .Governments, including, but not limited to, the U.S. government, catering to capitalists

is no reason to everyone who lives in America.

Plenty of Americans realize what they--and the people of all industrial nations--are doing to this planet; and they want it stopped.

My experience has been that many Americans, including me, are quite free with their criticism of America and Americans. And people from other countries are also quite free with their criticism of America and Americans.

When it comes to their own countries and countrymen, however, they will defend them to the death, even when it comes to something like the BP spill. Gets annoying sometimes.

[shireen]

24. no worries ...

the rapture will happen before the poles melt.

[Philosopher King]

26. It' been chilly before; it would be injudicious to think that it cannot happen again.

[No Elephants]

153. The activities in which we engage greatly accelerate the natural cycles, as I'm sure you agree.

[Philosopher King]

198. "greatly accelerate the natural cycles...?" Accelerate--most certainly. Greatly...?

I suppose that depends on the context, (e.g., a rather large asteroid impacting the planet).

[certainot]

27. direct result of the left ignoring RW radio, endorsed by university sports across the country

RW radio is dedicated to denial and gets a total free speech free ride.

this is another trophy in the limbaugh trophy room.

[No Elephants]

154. Which members of the left are you referring to? Few at DU ignore RW radio.

Little point in preaching to the choir.

Maybe you should direct your campaign at people who actually do ignore right wing radio.

[certainot]

166. there is no organized challenge to those 1000 coordinated wall st. megaphones-

individually we do all sorts of things

it is getting better, with more national references to limbaugh's crap, for instance, but that's it.

there is no organized response to the fact that those 1000+ radio stations, many of the biggest ones endorsed by our major universities, are getting a free speech free ride to lie about OWS protestors and their objectives all day long - by both the national and local blowhards.

[No Elephants]

168. What specific actions have you taken to change that, besides posting?

I think I've asked you that before, but I don't recall your response.

Most of your posts don't mention any specific action, either that you've taken or that you want us to take.

Most of your posts seem to say "RW radio is bad and pervasive." I think we all agree about that, though.

[certainot]

177. like i said, until the left has an organized response everything they do is minimized

i've called local sponsors and would recommend that to anyone- i've convinced dems to find alternatives- until i called they considered it a pure biz decision and that the limbaughs were just political entertainers. i've badgered a local radio station manager/owner until it went progressive. there were other involved and it went on for years but it is now progressive. i've called local talkers and gotten on as one of very few dissenting voices on various issues over the years. and so on.

and as i've said before, local sponsors (don't waste time with national sponsors that can be replaced- unless it's blatant like trader joes, for example) need to be shamed until the only ones left in blue communities are those that will defend limbaugh's racism, sexism, and global warming denial.

universities need to be pressured to find alts for their sports- universities are endorsing - with protests, petitions.- no university can justify endorsing the global warming denial, sexism, racism. none has a mission statement consistent with RW radio and insteead are endorsing the national and local talkers.

appropriately located stations can be protested, like limbaugh parent station WABC near penn station , NYC

this is what limbaugh said this morning about OWS, from 600 stations- and no one really gets in his face and he'll get some callers from the heritage foundation to agree with him later:

'bloomberg liberated Zuccotti Park.
lousy hippies thieves rapists purse snatchers
sexually transmitted diseases, murder, filth, gunfire, scabies
The protestors are so used to urinating and defecating in the streets so when they go back home to their parents they might need to be housebroken again. They’re going to have to put some newspaper down.
endless parade of human debris,
whining little wimps
looking for free meals free drugs free sex
it was never big, never any public support, not the backbone of America
white house wanted bloomberg to get them out because it was one big ad for the dem party.'

[Bigmack]

28. Since when is SCIENCE something to be

BELIEVED IN?????? FAITH is something to be believed in or NOT believed in, according to personal preferences, but scientific findings are to be either accepted or rejected, based on the facts involved. Of course one can "accept" a scientific finding with reservation(s), based on possible future research that may or may not bear out current scientific findings, but BELIEF is NOT the issue. FACTS are the issue. Ms Bigmack

[hatrack]

34. Thank you!

The questions should be:

(A) Is the evidence valid?
(B) Is the consensus taken from the evidence convincing?

In both cases, the answer is an overwhelming "yes", but as someone once said, "belief" is something to leave at the church door.

[jwirr]

40. Absolutely. The scientific method is not a religious system.

[Enthusiast]

124. Plus one! nt

[radhika]

29. Can we get it on BBC Cable or Reel-TV?

Seriously, Discovery Channel needs to be bypassed....if only to make the point against censorship.

[jwirr]

42. I was going to ask the same thing. Do we have the capability to watch

it here on DU or maybe Current TV would be interested. I want to see the whole thing.

[slay]

63. I've been watching it

from a torrent site. ooooh i know some people don't like that - but i want to see the FULL BBC version - you know - the one that respects science. if you want to look for it the title of ep 1 is -- David.Attenborough.Frozen.Planet.S01E01.720p.HDTV.x264-FTP -- that's for the HD version and is on many public sites like eztv.it and others. episode 4 airs tomorrow and it has been excellent so far.

[defendandprotect]

78. What's a torrent site?

[slay]

80. I'll explain

in private message - some crazy hardcore capitalists might alert on me if i go into too much detail here.

[tomg]

30. American Exceptionalism Again.

We are exceptionally stupid.

[No Elephants]

174. Some tv execs make a decision and blame it on the American people and

that somehow makes American people exceptionally stupid?

Please see also Replies 152. and 157.

[tomg]

194. Hi no elephants,

I really enjoy your posts, and i often agree with you (and often disagree). However, in this regard, I would disagree. I have spent a fair amount of time living overseas and, specifically, teaching citizens from the US who are studying in foreign countries. that is, I have a split appointment where I teach In an American university one semester and at a foreign institution another. It is a good gig.
By and large, I have found American students far less aware of the world in which they live. There is a kind of americ-centrism which assumes as it's starting point that the United States is the reference point for all other cultures. Granted, the US has an unduly large influence on the world stage but the importance or moral centrality of that is from our perspective. It is a complex issue and, in fact ,it is one of the issues I am currently discussing with my students. In terms of their relationship with the rest of the world, and their relative place in it, yes, I would posit that Americans are "exceptionally stupid." with that said, I was going more for a stylistic reference ( cheesily playing off of "exceptionalism") Perhaps I should have said remarkably self-centered. I really do enjoy your posts even when I disagree as now.

[slay]

31. What the fuck? So knowledge is bad now? I've been watching the BBC version - it's excellent!

i love all of Attenborough's documentaries and this one is truly stunning - see it in HD if you can. that is pathetic that Discovery channel won't air it just cause right wing nutjobs don't believe science. i'm bout to call Discovery channel and give them a piece of my mind!

[ooglymoogly]

33. Propaganda nation will not allow any knowledge that might

cut into profits or impugn the Neocon rw version of things. Book burning is alive and well thank you.

History channel had a chilling documentary of what really happened to JFK, soon after the channel was bought up by RW interests and a new, very convoluted "documentary" came out; at some great expense, to "prove"; the lone gunman canard and the original documentary was never seen again.

That is when I turned off cable and commercial broadcasting for good and never looked back.

[and-justice-for-all]

37. Damn it...that sucks..nt

[alp227]

39. BITTORRENT TIME!

Shame on the discovery channel for sucking up to Big Oil rather than science! It is sad how money has screwed up our media. PS: Next time try a non-Daily Mail source for British news, such as the BBC, The Guardian, The Independent, or The Telegraph.

[slay]

51. +1

it's been great -- David.Attenborough.Frozen.Planet.S01E01.720p.HDTV.x264-FTP

absolutely stunning. :evilgrin:

[alp227]

60. oh i wonder if the full series will be released on blu ray in the US

INCLUDING the global warming is made by man part

[slay]

62. I really hope so

i read that they finally had to release his BBC Life documentary on blu-ray here as the complete BBC version cause everyone hated the US version which replaced Attenborough's awesome narrations with.. wait for it.. Oprah! wtf. and the US version was missing about an hour of footage from the 10 part series. USA = we can't do shit right at all anymore.

[Slit Skirt]

41. I would say big oil is behind this

using the excuse that "some people would be upset"

I say we raise hell over this

[Ganja Ninja]

129. Bingo!

The angry audience excuse is bull.

[LongTomH]

43. It may have been the BBC that made the decision to better 'sell' the series!

According to The Telegraph UK:

British viewers will see seven episodes, the last of which deals with global warming and the threat to the natural world posed by man.

However, viewers in other countries, including the United States, will only see six episodes.

The environmental programme has been relegated by the BBC to an “optional extra” alongside a behind-the-scenes documentary which foreign networks can ignore.

[No Elephants]

175. Interesting. And yet so many posts on this thread bash America or Americans.

However, Discovery Channel apparently has made the decision to "ignore," so fie on its executives.

[Mark Baker]

186. Kind of

According to this:

http://blogs.bbcworldwide.com/2011/11/15/majority-of-international-broadcasters-will-show-all-frozen-planet-episodes/

it was a BBC decision to sell it separately, but not because the subject matter is controversial.

It has an on-screen presenter, unlike the rest of the series, so can't be dubbed into another language easily. It's therefore not unreasonable for some foreign language broadcasters, particularly in markets where dubbing is not liked, not to want to take it.

[Generic Other]

44. Half the people in the US think the world is flat

WTF. How embarrassing.

[valerief]

45. Hey, most Americans believe in climate change. The plutocrats, though, HATE that.

It's so much easier for them to corral (or kettle) the stooooooopid.

[truthisfreedom]

46. Hey, the median IQ is 100. Think about it. Half of the people, by definition, are idiots.

Color me surprised.

[yawnmaster]

73. you do realize that even if everyone were twice as smart, the median IQ would be 100...

The median IQ of the population is defined to be 100.
also, those with IQs under 100 are not necessarily idiots.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. How about if they don't believe in it, they don't fucking watch it!

I'm fucking sick of having things censored just because people think Americans are idiots. Sure, alot of us are, but not all of us. :grr:

[blackspade]

50. Seriously? That is bullshit.

The show does not 'preach' global warming, it presents the facts related to it and how it will effect the globe.

Half the people in this counrty do not believe it because corporate nitwits are afraid to hurt their 'fealings'.

No wonder the rest of the world thinks we are idiots.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

52. Who made this ridiculous assumption?

America doesn't want to see a Sarah Palin show either, but it was aired.

[Mendocino]

53. Adali Stevenson once said

"all the thinking people in this country will vote for me, unfortunately they aren't the majority."

[nxylas]

54. I'd have thought the Mail would approve

They are denialists who rarely miss a chance to bash the BBC (which they want privatised so they can buy it and turn it into just another commercial TV station dancing to the 1%'s tune).

Indeed,looking at the story, that does seem to be the agenda, they are just being a little more subtle about it than usual, slipping in words like "one-sided" in order to perpetuate the myth that there is a "debate" about global warming, rather than a broad scientific consensus that is being undermined by powerful vested interests.

[wial]

57. The really sad thing is

knowledge is power, and knowledge of climatology is great power since there are piles of cash to be made helping the world adapt to the coming changes, but if we remain in denial, well, Germany and Japan and China will make that money, not us.

[PuffedMica]

58. The deniers achieve backdoor censorship

[slay]

64. Pretty much

fucking sad state this country is in these days. :(

[radhika]

59. Link: 10 countries declined the episode too!

Yikes, not just the USA. It appears several countries declined it as well - and the episode was packaged as Optional.

http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/43567

[SoapBox]

61. Keep the masses STOOPID! And gawd forbid...don't let them make up their own minds.

Brainwashing...black outs...censoring...changing history...

Amazing what America has become.

[judesedit]

67. So the "Dumbing Down of America" continues. The lobbyists don't even care about their own kids

Do you really expect them to care about yours???

[Laelth]

68. How embarrassing! n/t

-Laelth

[existentialist]

69. If ever there is an issue on which Americans need to hear

the best scientific evidence and opinion available, this is it.

Discovery is doing the worst disservice that I can imagine by not showing the final episode.


Just what they think they are doing escapes me.

Their irresponsibility echoes and reverberates until just now I can think of little else.

[RKP5637]

70. It's 21st Century America - Truth in Ignorance. n/t

[Beartracks]

71. That still leaves 50% that DO believe in global warming.

What are the chances that non-believers would believe anything else in the Frozen Planet series anyway? It sounds like science.

=================

[AllyCat]

72. We are indeed a laughing stock to the rest of the world aren't we?

God, what on earth is wrong with our ability to look at FACTS and other overwhelming evidence and use it to make an educated decision? Why do people just see something on the teevee and go, "Oh, okay."

[Little Tich]

74. Big news in the UK, not so big in the US...

Almost all of the many news outlets that carry this story are from the UK. Is this because of the time difference? I think (hope) so. Regardless, it's a prime example of the dumbing down of America.

[defendandprotect]

75. More like the Koch Bros. don't want Global Warming info out -- they control Congress -- !!

but it's never enough -- any iota of truth is a threat to the RW lies!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

76. Ahem, do we have a government?

Surely the taxpayers are funding departments that are looking into climate change or are we...... more interesting in raping the world of its oil. I guess people were ridiculed when they announced that the world was not actually flat?

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

102. ugh! I get so angry when I see those damned propaganda commercials!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil..."

"...is that good men do nothing." --Edmund Burke





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[CoffeeCat]

84. Oh hi world! We in the US are turd idiots!

That's what the country's actions and its uninformed citizens
say to the rest of the world.

The world has lost so much respect for us and the disdain is growing.

We look like boobs. We are a joke to a world that believes in science, rational
discourse and common sense.

I'm so embarrassed.

[tclambert]

86. The way the title is cut off, it looks like many in the US don't believe the Earth is a globe.

How can you have global warming when everyone knows the world is flat?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

87. Excuse me, but why are ignorant, Bible-banging Repukes setting the tone for our own country?

Why are we being judged by these ignorant assholes?

[Auntie Bush]

189. And all our TEXT books are written by those bible thumpers

That's scary! :scared:

[varelse]

88. Ignorance is bliss?

[DirkGently]

90. What? We're now an official Knowledge Free Zone?

[Bennyboy]

91. Another "not shown" Discovery program

“Conspiracy of Silence” is a powerful, disturbing documentary revealing a nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring that leads to the highest levels of government. Featuring intrepid investigator John DeCamp, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and 16-year Nebraska state senator, “Conspiracy of Silence” reveals how rogue elements at all levels of government have been involved in systematic child abuse and pedophilia to feed the base desires of key politicians.

Based on DeCamp’s riveting book, The Franklin Cover-up, “Conspiracy of Silence” begins with the shut-down of Nebraska’s Franklin Community Federal Credit Union after a raid by federal agencies in November 1988 revealed that $40 million was missing. When the Nebraska legislature launched a probe into the affair, what initially looked like a financial swindle soon exploded into a startling tale of drugs, money laundering, and a nationwide child abuse ring. Nineteen months later, the legislative committee’s chief investigator died suddenly and violently, like more than a dozen other people linked to the Franklin case.

So why have you never heard of the Franklin cover-up? Originally scheduled to air in May of 1994 on the Discovery Channel, “Conspiracy of Silence” was yanked at the last minute due to formidable pressure applied by top politicians. Some very powerful people did not want you to watch this documentary.

http://itccs.org/2011/06/21/conspiracy-of-silence-banned-discovery-channel-documentary/


http://itccs.org/2011/06/21/conspiracy-of-silence-banned-discovery-channel-documentary/

[slay]

101. I was JUST thinking about "Conspiracy of Silence" - aka The Franklin Cover-up

i have a poor vhs quality type copy of this i got from some website years ago. glad someone finally put it on youtube! these fuckers are SICK. within the next few years there WILL be a revolution in this country - and it will be a miracle if it is not a very bloody and deadly affair once people find out how deep the rabbit hole really goes - how deep the cover-ups really are.

[Shining Jack]

145. Thanks for the links. n/t

[cui bono]

92. U.S. viewers NEED to be upset!!! Geez. Embarrassing. n/t

[24601]

93. Well, at least we have debunked the myth that it's a settled issue. n/t

[Deep13]

94. America stupidity is why they need to show it. nt

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[humbled_opinion]

97. The Teahadists I work with tell me

That it is above arrogant to think that man has the ability to change the course of nature. They argue that the earth has been both warmer and cooler during its past and who I am to judge what the correct temperature of the earth is supposed to be. They believe that all of the carabon that man has ever emitted into the atmosphere since our creation has about as much significance of the amount emitted by the last 100 volcano eruptions, the logic it seems is that if we all stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow it wouldn't matter because many other sources could ultimately emit more CO2 than humans would.

On a hopeful note, many of those I talk with do agree that we should be weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels but only because they understand it is a finite resource. Their answer to America's energy issues is drill it all up, use it all up and at the same time have a plan and a comittment to moving to alternative energy sources..... i.e., they believe we have enough fuel in America to last us for a hundred years or more, drill it all up and use the next hundred years to perfect the alternative sources....

Anyway that's what I am up against.

[Charlemagne]

98. Blame the corporations

Seriously. The US mass media system is very different from the UK. Here, our media is funded by and for private corporations that operate for profits. In the UK (generally) the media is paid for by the government and their goal is to educate, not turn a profit.

Look at the 6 major companies that own the majority of mass media in the US. Few of them see an economic benefit in promoting such programing. Moreover, the corporate underwriters, who pay for the shows via commercials, are also not fans of regulations necessary to stop global warming.

Its not a crazy conspiracy theory, just capitalism.

[Quantess]

117. I fully agree.

Welcome to DU!

[PADemD]

100. Is it part of this series?

I searched "frozen planet" on this site and this came up:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-living-planet/

[slay]

103. No - it is new

but by the same guy - David Attenborough. This is in widescreen and shot in HD.

See here --> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mfl7n

and here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDKQ9-t0DgM

[slay]

105. Watch all of Frozen Planet episode 2 - "Spring" on youtube here:

Episode 1 was basically an overview of the series (not recycled footage though) but I did not see it posted.

Episode 2 is called "Spring" - making of Frozen Planet segment included in Part 4

Frozen Planet "Spring"(Part1) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDKQ9-t0DgM
Frozen Planet "Spring"(Part2) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmYZvCJORh0&feature=related
Frozen Planet "Spring"(Part3) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsnHlKJiPGw&feature=related
Frozen Planet "Spring"(Part4) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkW6l7mjaPg&feature=related

the youtube vid is not HD - but absolute amazing none the less! Enjoy.

[G3ND3R_B3ND3R]

106. Let's see....

Americans can deny volumes of scientific evidence from the last 100 years about global warming and call it "science".

But they believe in some invisible man in the sky - a sky fairy if you will - for which there is no evidence, and they call it "faith".

It makes me ashamed to hold an American passport.

[Richard D]

107. If I was religious and believed in praying to a god,

I'd pray for deliverance of the poor USA from ignorance.

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[ffr]

108. I've never listened to the GOP, they don't matter. Show the damn series.

Right? Right!!!

[tavalon]

109. In a more perfect world, global climate change would only impact morons

Alas, it also impacts the rest of us.

[certainot]

110. our biggest universities endorse the loudest GW denial by broadcasting sports on RW radio

1000 RW radio stations are dedicated to GW denial and many depend on their associations with uni sports for community acceptance and bringing in ad money

RW radio would take a big hit if students and faculty got their unis to look for alternatives

[gtar100]

112. The wrong voices are reaching the ears of BBC. There is *plenty* of interested people.

Yes the stupid people are the loudest but I don't think BBC is not showing it because they are afraid of upsetting people here. This reeks of money'd interests suppressing the information. You can't convince me that they really care about not upsetting people.

[RainDog]

114. k&r n/t

[PuffedMica]

115. K&R

[goforit]

116. Well, for those whom chose ignorance, Mother Nature cleans house of them

[bluedave]

118. I would hope it will be available online.

:wtf: :yoiks:

[Vinca]

119. Well, darn. Can't they just show it to those of us who are sane?

[Enthusiast]

121. Must not upset the sensibilities of the oil industry.

[City Lights]

122. American idiots.

:dunce:

How embarrassing for us.

[PotatoChip]

123. Oh man.

It's bad enough that we have to live among these ignorant bozos. Yet now we must be denied programs because it's truth might "upset" them? :mad:

Not blaming BBC for this- just pointing out the frustration.

[raccoon]

125. How embarrassing to all thinking Americans. nt

[fascisthunter]

127. This is a BS excuse... bigtime interests are making this decision, no Americans

and the claim they are making is BULLSHIT too.... the deniers are a minority, backed by a lot of money.

[Ganja Ninja]

130. Yup.

The people this would supposedly anger will most likely be watching FOX when it airs. This is corporate censorship and the BBC is lying to cover their spineless asses.

[stillwaiting]

131. Thanatos is strong in the U.S.

I completely blame the psychological ramifications of fundamentalist Christianity.

[patrice]

132. 1+++

[Drale]

133. This seems like a stereotype to me because

I have seen programs about global warming on other channels and there were no riots in the streets.

[ThomThom]

139. "You can't handle the truth"

They think we might be go crazy if we get the facts?
Another example of the 1% in control.

[tomtharp]

149. she blinded me with science

The same math, and same science that has validated climate change has also: created the atomic bomb, the moon landing, jet travel, the internet, cell phones, GPS, pacemakers, cat scans, etc., etc. If you don't believe in climate change, I hope you don't use computers, cell phones, hospitals, or airports. Those who don't believe climate change should ride their horse back to their log cabin and read their bible by candle light, and leave the modern world to people who believe that math and computing actually work.

[DallasNE]

151. The Actual Issue Isn't Global Warming

The issue is anti-regulation fever by the corporate masters. Global warming is a scientific fact. It is a fact because it can be measured. It is just that science can't absolutely prove the causes. To accept that man is partly responsible because of carbon emissions means it only following that regulating those emissions downward is the only rational policy. Naturally, corporations would prefer censorship to regulation and this just shows how powerful these corporations really are so they will crush any efforts that could support regulation.

[JEB]

159. We are so proud

of our self imposed ignorance. USA is hopeless.

[xxqqqzme]

161. "...could upset viewers in the U.S..."

using that reasoning Monty Python would never make it to US TV.

[Beavker]

162. They need to show it anyway. Ram it down our moron McRib eating throats!

People that watch BBC likely agree with them on the issue. I'm guessing you're garden variety teabagger isn't tuning in to watch BBC. Fox has the real news for them!

[dotymed]

163. Thanks again Reagan

for removing THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE as an FCC rule. We now have what your handlers wanted. An uneducated population who will not even consider that their "beliefs" are not only true, but are the only ones worthy of discussion.

Kudos' to President Obama who decided to completely remove any mention that the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE ever existed. How far back can a populations consciousness be "rewound?"

[Bluenorthwest]

176. They are bowing to Big Oil, and blaming the public...

Of course BBC is public, but they are in bed with Discover for money, so they are not blameless in this at all. They are doing business with untrustworthy right wingers.

[No Joe]

178. "hostile to the idea of global warming."

HA! Like there's a goddamn thing we can do about it!

[sarcasmo]

179. The USA, where stupid people and their talking points defeat truth.

[Amimnoch]

182. Irresponsible conservatives are determined to end the human race.

The resistance to environmentally friendly, replenishable, alternative energy sources completely boggles my mind.

Ok, just to suspend reality, logic, and science for a little bit..
Even if Global climate change was false...
Even if Man-made effect on global climate change was false.. (some seem to like that talking point as well)

There's STILL so many reasons to aggressively pursue environmentally friendly, replenishable, alternative energy sources! Many of which conservatives SHOULD support using their OWN fucked up logic!

A) Energy independence.. isn't that supposed to be something they love??
B) Oil is finite.. I don't think even their own screwed up logic can deny that. There is only so much of it to be had.. and when it's gone, it is GONE. Sure, they can say at that time we'll find an alternative, but really, oil is used for so much more than power. Whatever replaces fossil fuels as an energy source is STILL almost definitely going to need fossil fuel produced products as lubricants, and parts (i.e. plastics, and carbon polymers).
C) Wouldn't energy independence be a good thing for the corporations they love? Cheaper energy means MORE jobs, MORE corporate profit, and MORE money in their own wallets!!

Republicans and conservatives need to change their symbol from the elephant to the Ostrich, since they seem to love to just stick their head in the sand and ignore real dangers.

[Lithos]

184. When will this be on Hulu or Netflix?

I want to see this, looks cool (so to speak)...

[slay]

191. There will be ways to see it

don't know about hulu or netflix though. episode 4 just aired today so three more weeks til episode 7 airs on BBC.

[Thumper79]

185. This is really pathetic. If you don't want to watch a show about global warming,

then don't watch the friggin' show. Why should those of us who believe in climate change be stopped from watching the program. Censorship..just another freedom taken from us. This really angers me that the pinheads in this country who don't believe in global warming, then no one gets the information.:grr:

[Mark Baker]

187. Very good piece on cif about this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/16/frozen-planet-climate-change-episode

[get the red out]

188. Should say viewers in the U.S., where half the people are idiots

We are too stupid to even watch the same documentaries as other people in the world. I guess those warnings that come on about "viewer discretion advised" should cause half the TVs in the US to be switched off at a time.

United States of America, land of the 1% and home of the fucking idiots.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

192. If you have a region-free (or hackable) DVD player, you can order

the entire Frozen Planet series in its original form from Amazon UK for £21.97, which is about US$35.00.

[dipsydoodle]

193. I believe

that any DVD player can be reprogrammed and Blu Ray players double up as region free players anyway. I checked out of curiousity to see if the UK DVD due out at Xmas has got episode 7 and it has.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

195. Not being the techie sort, I simply bought a region-free player a couple of years ago

and have enjoyed getting UK DVDs that are either unavailable in the US (Tenko, Ashes to Ashes) or are much more expensive here (Inspector Morse).

[dipsydoodle]

196. I wasn't sure whether or not you could play our dvds

not because they're Region 2 but because they're PAL although I think most modern day tvs will cope with both of our colour sytems. Long ways back we figured NTSC was an acronym for never twice the same colour. They blocked the sale of multiregion dvd players here years ago - deal between the EU and Sony. The main stores refuse to sell them but the small Asian shops in London do the switching for free......lol.
I only just got the Blu Ray because it was cheap and my daughter said that for whatever reason they play back dvds in higher quality.