Judge rules that protesters cannot return with tents

[brooklynite]

Source: WABC

NEW YORK -- A judge ruled Monday afternoon that Occupy Wall Street protesters may not return to Zuccotti Park with sleeping bags or tents, ruling in the favor of New York City.

The NYPD cleared Zuccotti Park of protesters early Tuesday, with at least 200 people arrested as the demonstrators were forced out of their longtime encampment in Lower Manhattan. However, they've been told they can return once the park has been cleaned.

The National Lawyers Guild obtained a court order allowing protesters to return with tents to the park. The guild said the injunction prevents the city from enforcing park rules on Occupy Wall Street protesters. However, a judge struck that court order down ruling in the favor of the city.

...snip...

The city told protesters they could come back after the cleaning, but under new tougher rules, including no tents, sleeping bags or tarps, which would effectively put an end to the encampment if enforced.



Read more: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8432234

[brooklynite]

1. Protestors cannot camp out in Zuccotti Park

[villager]

2. Yes - that is what the ruling says.

n/t

[EFerrari]

3. Yeah, good luck with that.

[sabrina 1]

4. I hope they appeal. But they don't need tents

or sleeping bags to stay there. They can do what the Egyptians did, occupy in shifts. No need to sleep there, probably better to be awake anyhow and to get some sleep during the day.

Meantime they should appeal. And as the NYT said today, all they've done is 'revive the movement' and strengthen it.

[aquart]

17. Shifts is a good winter strategy.

I donated one pair of NATO fatigues, pants designed for fighting a winter war in Europe. They kept me cosy for years of Christmas retailing. Time to donate the remaining two pairs.

What did the judge say about food and books?

[sabrina 1]

20. I don't know, I have not read the decision but it has been posted

online. I am hearing on the livestream that the occupiers are going back to Zuccotti Park, but also that they had a contingency plan anyhow, as they expected this to happen all along.

Right now on Ustream, they are planning their next step.

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

[mwrguy]

5. There's a reason it's called civil disobedience

not civil obedience.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. Time for civil disobedience --

Nightly.

[sakabatou]

7. An idea:

Maybe a rotating sit in?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

18. That's what I thought of, too.

No way no how should they give up at this point -- the protests MUST continue, and they MUST continue round the clock.

[Demeter]

28. Flash Mobs, Too

In the most inconvenient spots, at the most inconvenient times.

New York performance artists have been doing this for years already. Just take it one step further...

[MADem]

33. They have raised half a million dollars in donations in NYC.

Why not rent a permanent space that they can use as an office/meeting/coordination space?

This is the 21st Century. You want to hold a meeting? Do it virtually. Not everyone has to be "in one place" and sleeping in a frigging tent to be dedicated to the concept of economic parity and social justice.

Use the office space so that people can drop in, get information, as well as use computers to disseminate information across the web about planned activities. A phone bank could be run out of there, too, as well as a TV studio of sorts.

This movement needs to mature, or it will be marginalized.

This isn't about being determined to set up tents and a "library" and a "kitchen"--and if it is, then the bubble on social justice/economic parity/government and corporate malfeasance is totally lost. The camping thing was an attention getter at first--now it's starting to look cliquish.

This may be tough for the Camping Paradigm enthusiasts to take, but people who support these economic justice ideas and who oppose the corruption in public life and the shrinking of the middle class are not seeing how yelling at the police, raising taxes owing to having to pay overtime to public safety personnel, and camping out is actually helping them. It's all about tents, it's not about jobs, justice, and opposing corruption. That decision for twenty OWS people to take an Egyptian vacation with the donations (is that still on?) was a real WTF, too.

Time for a shift in priorities, I think. If sit-ins are a good idea, how about doing it in front of legislators' home offices?

[brooklynite]

8. TRO Denied. No tents

Source: Twitter

USLaw_com USLaw.com
TRO denied. No tents.


Read more: http://twitter.com/#!/USLaw_com

---

Flash from twitter feed in Court Room

[virgogal]

9. Wow !

[elleng]

10. Damn.

thx for info.

Decision

http://www.uslaw.com/USLowstrodecision.pdf

This case cited, re: 1st Amendment, public protests at 'private' events/property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps

Snyder v. Phelps was a case heard by Supreme Court of the United States on whether the First Amendment protected protests of public protestors at a funeral against tort liability. It involved a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress made by Albert Snyder, the father of Matthew Snyder, a Marine who died in the Iraq War. The claim was made against the Phelps family, including Fred Phelps, and against Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church (WBC). The Court ruled in favor of Phelps in an 8-1 decision, holding that their speech related to a public issue, and was disseminated on a public sidewalk.

[maddezmom]

11. here is the order in pdf

http://www.uslaw.com/USLowstrodecision.pdf

[gateley]

12. Goddamn it! They're crushing us. nt

[rbixby]

14. Its not crushing, what its doing is drawing more attention

had there been no police presence, no clearing of the park, none of that, this whole thing would have fizzled a long time ago. The more repressive the ptb is, the stronger the movement grows.

[gateley]

22. You're right! Although I'm still not seeing much coverage

on the news. And for the most part, people I come in contact with just know some people are doing something somewhere. Even though they're the 99%ers, too, they just don't get it yet. Until/unless it happens to them, it's not real. :(

[aquart]

19. Nah. They're radicalizing a generation I worried were totally passive.

Watch our future leaders emerging.

Wisconsin Rule: IF YOU SCREW US, WE MULTIPLY.

[gateley]

23. Yeah, that's what rbixby just told me, too - and it does give me

hope!

[Supply Side Jesus]

13. so, wtf!

huffpo and cnn said the judge ruled in OWS favor, now it's not? I'm really confused

[elleng]

15. I suspect that was early morning TRO,different judge;

this decision came from hearing held this afternoon, order a few minutes ago.

'Appeal' provided for.

[KansDem]

24. I'm confused too...

But I believe the judge who ruled in favor of OWS was canned and replaced by another judge who ruled in favor of the city.

At least I think that's what happened.

[RoccoR5955]

16. Well we can still do a lot with that.

It's already too big for them. There will be protests popping up all over the place, and they will wish that they let #OWS stay in one place.
Wait till spring. We will have people all over the city, and it will be impossible for the cops to deal with all of us.
Our numbers are mounting, and will continue to mount as the days go on.
As long as the injustice continues, we have to keep fighting however we can.
We may have lost this battle, but the war is far from lost.

[FirstLight]

21. +a brazillion!

far from over...just the beginning of the Revolution, my friend!

[mvd]

27. Agreed - we will win the war

When the people band together, they can't be denied. This ruling is throwing the Consitution down the drain though and must be appealed as far as possible. The protestors will be there even if they have to go in waves. Some people are night people and can sleep in the day.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

25. Where are the OWS protesters going to sleep tonight?

Did they have contingency plans for that?

[formercia]

26. Subway

The Mole People know.

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. Where did they sleep before the protests?

[Ian David]

29. I saw somewhere else that said sleeping bags were okay but not tents, but I could be mistaken. n/t

[Pharaoh]

31. Snowmobile Suits!!!

You can live in a snowmobile suit in the winter, without needing any other shelter. At least when your 20 something :toast:

People should send truckloads of those!

[certainot]

32. FYI OWS-Limbaugh is the voice of Wall St., WABC is his main station, located near Penn Station NYC.

no one person has done more to make greed acceptable and make excuses for the deregulation and corruption than limbaugh and the talk radio monopoly he is point man for.

he and the 1000 radio stations have been prechewing the pro-corporate think tank talking points without opposition for 20 years and now he and the national and local RW blowhards are having a big impact, ginning up outrage and pushing local govs and police to evict protestors.

[unionworks]

35. plus a million n/t

[24601]

34. Well, technically your honor, it's a lean-to....n/t