Anti-abortion personhood measure cleared in Calif.

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

Proponents of a measure that would ban abortions by giving equal rights to fetuses have been cleared to gather signatures in California, the secretary of state's office said Friday.

... Union City-based California Civil Rights Foundation must collect more than 807,000 signatures by April to qualify for the November 2012 ballot, the secretary of state's office said.

The foundation's president, Walter Hoye, is an Oakland pastor known for protesting outside abortion clinics. He said he launched a similar campaign in California in 2010, but it fell short of the required signatures.

... He said he is hoping for a spirited signature drive for the "California Human Rights Amendment." Hoye declined to identify any major financial contributors.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/18/state/n170134S63.DTL&tsp=1

[Ohio Joe]

1. The war on women marches forward

Douchebags.

[SoCalNative]

2. In CALIFORNIA?

they're insane. They'll never get enough signatures to get it on the ballot, let alone enough votes.

It Mississippi can't pass it...

[msongs]

3. paraasite signature gatherers are paid per signature, many dollars. they will find them nt

[freshwest]

6. They passed '8' and by calling this human rights, who knows who'll vote for it...

[Taverner]

14. WE HAVE TO VOTE THIS YEAR!!!

Defeat this shit, and I do mean fecal matter...

[TheWraith]

15. Oh, they'll probably get it on the ballot.

Just because California is reliably blue in recent years doesn't mean it doesn't have a healthy share of Republicans, and that's all you need for a signature drive. They got prop 8 passed, didn't they?

[LeftyMom]

23. They'll get it on the ballot.

They won't pass it in a bajillion years, but the signature count for a ballot measure is easy enough to manage, especially if you can get the churches to gather signatures. It's how they've run the consent requirement for minors for the past however many elections even though it keeps going down in flames.

[nolabear]

24. Sorry to mess with your head like that.

But Mississippi isn't all redneck and California isn't all liberal. It would be smart to remember both.

[Xicano]

31. I think its a get out the conservative base to the polls election strategy

eom.

[NMMNG]

4. Sadly there are enough whackjobs here

They might just get it on the ballot. It might even pass. Prop8 passed in 2008, after all. California isn't as blue as it seems.

[Stargleamer]

21. Yes, there are a lot of whackjobs here, however

in recent years we beat back 2 attempts to have parental notification laws in California, and this initiative goes way beyond that, so I'm much more optimistic, that this will go down. Although I do think it will get on the ballot unfortunately.

[No Elephants]

5. Many fundies in various areas of California. I hope to heaven Democrats have a great strategy for

keeping 100$ of California's electoral votes because it doesn't seem the RW fundies and other Rethugs are going to give up--and who could blame them?

When California voted red for President, Democrats had the Solid South. I don't think we can win a Presidency without the South and without 100% of California.

[NBachers]

7. Beware signature harvester-gatherers who descend upon you like locusts

Unless I have direct knowledge of some initiative, I refuse to sign any of 'em. They're deceptively worded and presented. Most of them are crackpot schemes to bypass the legislative process.

Know what you sign, or don't sign at all.

[arcane1]

11. Same here, especially after that bogus "legalize pot" scam a while back

where you were really signing up to be a registered republican.

Since the clipboard people always start with something like "do you support human rights?" I instinctively distrust them.

[saras]

16. Whatever they ask, disagree in a nice polite voice. If they're real, they'll talk.

"No, I don't support human rights at all. I think the idea is a terrible mistake."

If they can think on their feet quickly enough to deal with THAT, I'll talk to them. I'll read every word of their petition, or get a copy to take home and read, but if they just blither at me because they have no line in their script, I walk away.

[arcane1]

18. I always encountered them on Market St, going to/from work

and most of the time they immediately act like we're long-lost friends, and I never sign anything. I don't hate the people doing it; they're young and it's expensive here and they need a job, but I hate the game.

I have to be somewhere, in a circumstance where I can talk to the petitioners, and see what they're about, before I sign anything.

[onehandle]

8. If it won't pass in MS, it won't pass there. After all they have gay marriage...

...oh wait.

[pink-o]

9. There is a segment of Cali that is neither LA or the Bay Area...

I call it the Grapes of Wrath dust bowl segment. I lived in Redding (AKA Hell) for a whole year and you'd've thought I was in Backwoods, Hicksville. Scary. Dude next door had a sticker on his truck that read: "God created Man. Smith and Wesson made them equal." When he finally invited me in, there were so many dead animals on his wall, I figure the taxidermist must've taken a trip around the world.

Just sayin' I wouldn't have thought Prop H8 could be passed here, but low-info voters are everywhere. Here, we have to fight creeping Republican viral syndrome at all times. They've caught us unawares before, negating the sanguine attitude we have that this shit doesn't happen here. We can't let them sneak it in through the back door.


(edited for a typo. Gotta cut these fingernails!)

[ashling]

10. How many will fall for this shit:

California Civil Rights Foundation
California Human Rights Amendment

and sign this screed unknowingly?

[Politicalboi]

12. Is there anything legally they need to have petitions signed

The least we can do is make sure THEY are playing by the rules. If not, we should report it.

[LiberalFighter]

13. Women need to collect their menstrual blood and dump it on him and his building.

[greymattermom]

34. exactly

and is the state prepared to increase taxes to pay for microscopic examination of all pads and tampons? What if you flush it?

[bengalherder]

17. At least the scientologists won't be funding THAT shit like they did 8...

Since the Sea Org forces their members to get abortions when pregnancies inconvience the leaders.

[alp227]

19. This will FAIL unlike props. 187 and 8

if this failed in MISSISSIPPI, whose politics are on the far polar opposite of California's. At least the issues around Propositions 187 (no public schools/services for illegal aliens) or 8 (no gay marriage) had plenty of support among independents. Prop. 8 also attracted a large conservative Christian vote.

[McCamy Taylor]

20. Equal right to what? No post partum human has the right to control or occupy a woman's body.

Imagine a court telling a woman she had to donate bone marrow because she just happened to be a perfect match for a stranger with leukemia. Would never happen. So, what court is going to tell her she has to rent her room to a fetus, regardless of the effects on her own health?

This is a bs law designed to rally the base to vote this fall. Because "Mittens" Romney will not be able to do it.

[musette_sf]

22. K&R for OUTRAGE

:grr:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4Bwmq7s1fI/TrENYMZJUII/AAAAAAAACEg/zPCgluC0Fv8/s320/Ultimate+Personhood.jpg

[defendandprotect]

25. Next ... embryos and fetuses will have the vote -- !!

[Banana Republicans]

26. Don't they have anything better to do than harass women?

Like get a job.

[and-justice-for-all]

27. revolting...

A womens uterus is her own business, PERIOD! These are the same people that scream and holler for less government and then turn around and advocate for even more intrusivness; Romnies everywhere!!

[sakabatou]

28. So if a mother loses the child while in pregnancy

will it be considered a crime?

[caseymoz]

29. Equal rights? Fetuses have the functionality of a flatworm.

You put a baby in the womb, it dies. You take the fetus out of the womb, it dies.

Seriously, if it were a human being, the most ethical thing you could do is rescue it from the womb.

[SoapBox]

30. Here is my vote...NO!

I am SO over these freaks that can't get their brain out of a woman's crotch.

Talk about over reaching government!

[truthisfreedom]

32. Good. Let it fail miserably to show the real sentiment of the nation. We have no money,

we have no environment, we have no unity, and this is no place for babies.

[krabigirl]

33. it won't pass.

[Sirveri]

35. This is why I hate the initiative system.

Stupid crap like this. Sure, simple majority to just totally rewrite the entire damned constitution.

What do THEY use it for:
Overturn all social safeguards currently enjoyed
Underfund the state coffers and run it into the ground
Piss on everyones civil liberties

What do we use it for:
banning the sale of horse meat and other animal rights initiatives

We need a constitutional convention for the state.

[BlueIris]

36. Dear Sick Bastards: Not in California, 'friends.'

Sincerely doubt it will get anywhere near passage.