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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:44 AM
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Pope draws line under Irish sex abuse scandal
From The Times
From Richard Owen in Rome and David Lister in Dublin


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THE Pope moved yesterday to draw a line under a long history of sexual abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland by accepting the resignation of the Archbishop of Dublin.

Cardinal Desmond Connell, 78, offered his resignation in 2001, when he reached 75, the retirement age for bishops and senior clergy apart from the Pope. The Pope did not accept, apparently to avoid fuelling controversy when the paedophile scandal was engulfing the Catholic Church in the US.

Yesterday he did accept Cardinal Connell’s resignation and named as his successor Diarmuid Martin, a reformist who is 20 years younger and one of the Vatican’s rising stars. Monsignor Martin was coadjutor, or joint, archbishop with the cardinal.

Vatican insiders said yesterday that the next move would almost certainly be to make Archbishop Martin a cardinal, perhaps as early as next year.
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More:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-1089717,00.html
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:02 AM
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1. What??? Catholic sex abuse in Europe???
I remember the Pope saying sex abuse scandals were the fault of America's low morals.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:06 AM
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2. So pedophile priests are still allowed
to stay in the church, but if you even support abortion rights you should be denied communion? Tell them to take their communion and go shove it where the sun don't shine. That's if they can get if past Father Connell's penis.

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:41 AM
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3. Spate of new canonisations/beatifications must be coming up.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 08:42 AM by emad aisat sana
Nothing like a few more Nazis elevated to sainthood to throw the scent off the present administration....
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:53 AM
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6. You're on the money
They announced six new beatifications yesterday:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/25/beatification.ap/index.html
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:58 AM
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4. The corruption in the Irish Catholic Church is beyond disgusting
Ireland’s Dirty Laundry
Wounds Still Fresh For Thousands of Women Enslaved by the Catholic Church
By Hilary Brown and Matt McGarry

C O R K, Ireland, Jan. 26— A sudden spate of TV exposés, docudramas and a major motion picture have brought to light one of the most shocking episodes in the history of the Catholic Church in Ireland — the existence of the now-notorious "Magdalene laundries," a sanctified form of slavery.

Operated by the Sisters of the Magdalene Order, the laundries were virtual slave labor camps for generations of young girls thought to be unfit to live in Irish society.

Girls who had become pregnant, even from rape, girls who were illegitimate, or orphaned, or just plain simple-minded, girls who were too pretty and therefore in "moral danger" all ran the risk of being locked up and put to work, without pay, in profit-making, convent laundries, to "wash away their sins."

They were completely cut off from their families, and many lost touch with them forever.

Stripped of their identities, the girls were given numbers instead of names. They were forbidden to speak, except to pray. If they broke any rule or tried to escape, the nuns beat them over the head with heavy iron keys, put them into solitary confinement or shipped them off to a mental hospital.

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The Magdalene Story

Ireland has suffered a great many tragedies in her long history. There are those we hear of every day—the "Troubles," the great Famine—Irish sorrows and issues we are all familiar with. But hidden beneath the surface, lies a tragedy just as great, just as terrible and just as unimaginable. And it is only just beginning to break through to the light of truth.

It is the story of thousands of Ireland's women...judged "sinners" by the cruel Church-driven society of the 1800's through present day. Their crime? Bearing children out of wedlock...leaving abusive husbands or home situations. The punishment? A lifetime of "penitence" spent in the service of the Sisters of Charity, Mercy, Good Shepherd or other orders, performing domestic chores...harsh, thankless chores such as laundering prison uniforms, cooking, cleaning and caring for elderly nuns or their aging peers, still trapped behind the walls of Ireland's numerous convent laundries, industrial schools and the like.

They are "The Magdalenes," ironically called after Mary the Magdalene, who served her Jesus loyally and was rewarded with his forgiveness and love. No such rewards exist for these "penitents." They were told to forever hide their shame inside these walls, work under harsh, spartan conditions, driven unmercifully by the sisters and often abused by them as well. It is a story Ireland has every right to be ashamed of, which is perhaps why it has only come to light recently.

In 1993, church property held by the Sisters of Charity in Dublin which once served as a convent laundry was to be sold back to the Republic for public use. It was discovered at that time that some 133 graves existed, unmarked, in a cemetery on the convent grounds. The graves belonged to women who had worked in the service of the convent all their lives, buried without notification to possible family...unmarked, unremembered. When the discovery was made, a cry arose in the streets of Dublin...families came forth to identify and claim some of the women as their long-lost daughters, mothers, grandmothers, and sisters. Yet many remained unidentified. At the time of the 1993 discovery, a memorial was established and the remaining, unclaimed bodies were to be cremated and reinterred in the Glasnevin cemetery in Dublin. But a problem arose: an initial exhumation order was given for 133 bodies, yet at time of exhumation, another 22 bodies were discovered. No additional exhumation order was obtained or given, and the 155 bodies were cremated and moved with little fanfare.

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:32 AM
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5. This is the tip of the iceberg.
More worrying are the recent findings on the Independent Review Commission on atrocities in Borthern Ireland (both republican and loyalist) which has found that many 'acts of terrorism' were committed by paedophile mercenaries paid by drug barons.

The Catholic stuff is appalling and probably eclipses the Protestant abuses, but Ireland itself is a pawn of the Vatican as you post clearly shows.

BTW: what wonderful hobbies to admit to on your Profile....!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:15 AM
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7. I believe the abuses of authority are VERY proportional ...
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 10:17 AM by TahitiNut
... to the degree of dogmatism and authoritarianism. By its very nature, the Roman Catholic Church provides a breeding ground within itself for abuses of authority. (See the Stanford Jail Experiment and Stanley Milgram's studies for background.)

It seems to me that the most abundant lessons of history, as indicated by the Age of Reason, are that authoritarianism in politics, religion, and even parenting, is a path towards corruption and abuse. 'Conscience' is individual, not collective and not assignable.

Much is made of the Nazis ... as though they were anomalous. I firmly disagree that there was any anomaly in their abuses. I firmly believe than the vast majority of human beings, if put in the position of the "good German" of the 1930's, would've complied with, permitted, or even assisted in the "Final Solution." Such is the seduction of authoritarianism. Likewise, priests and nuns have enormous authority - almost nowhere moreso than in 20th Century Ireland.

It is this same seduction of authoritarianism that's corrupting America today ... when even "liberals" wander aimlessly looking for a "leader."


Re: Hobbies - One is quite voluntary and one is circumstantial. Lemons. Lemonade. :silly:
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