CNN showing live pics of Falluja bombings NOW!

[NMDemDist2]

crap

[Norquist Nemesis]

1. OMG! They're OBLITERATING the city!!!

[Dirty Hippie]

4. No, you've got it wrong

They are LIBERATING the city.

[BadGimp]

11. that is one UGLY Dog

kiss kiss :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Dirty Hippie]

26. Hey now

you can call me ugly but not my doggie!

[zanana]

94. The dog is adorable.

And she probably WOULD make a better president than Bush.

[saigon68]

111. "Guernica"

Guernica: Testimony of War

http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/guernica/gmain.html


It is modern art's most powerful antiwar statement... created by the twentieth century's most well-known and least understood artist. But the mural called Guernica is not at all what Pablo Picasso has in mind when he agrees to paint the centerpiece for the Spanish Pavilion of the 1937 World's Fair.


For three months, Picasso has been searching for inspiration for the mural, but the artist is in a sullen mood, frustrated by a decade of turmoil in his personal life and dissatisfaction with his work. The politics of his native homeland are also troubling him, as a brutal civil war ravages Spain. Republican forces, loyal to the newly elected government, are under attack from a fascist coup led by Generalissimo Francisco Franco. Franco promises prosperity and stability to the people of Spain. Yet he delivers only death and destruction.

On April 27th, 1937, unprecedented atrocities are perpetrated on behalf of Franco against the civilian population of a little Basque village in northern Spain. Chosen for bombing practice by Hitler's burgeoning war machine, the hamlet is pounded with high-explosive and incendiary bombs for over three hours. Townspeople are cut down as they run from the crumbling buildings. Guernica burns for three days. Sixteen hundred civilians are killed or wounded.

By May 1st, news of the massacre at Guernica reaches Paris, where more than a million protesters flood the streets to voice their outrage in the largest May Day demonstration the city has ever seen. Eyewitness reports fill the front pages of Paris papers. Picasso is stunned by the stark black and white photographs. Appalled and enraged, Picasso rushes through the crowded streets to his studio, where he quickly sketches the first images for the mural he will call Guernica. His search for inspiration is over.

On edit: although I can't speak for the left in Spain, the fact that 90% of the country didn't support the CHIMP'S "Shock and Awe" campaign is illustrated by the reception of this work, against the unbridled use of force against defenseless children, the elderly and all civilians.

[TexasProgresive]

17. "Freedom's when you got nothing left to lose! n/t

[Brotherjohn]

24. ROTFLOL!!! Your "campaign poster" is GREAT!

Almost as good as an old one from 1984 (or '88?); Bloom County.

"Bill and Opus: This time, why not the worst?"

[Barrett808]

6. My worst fear is that the Bush neo-con mafia will try the Grozny solution

We all know how well that has worked for Putin.

[Say_What]

9. AWOL-Bush and Co. Doing what they do best... murder and mayhem

[krkaufman]

70. It's about the context

See this thread: Koppel *SLAMS* Bush on "coffin" issue

[Say_What]

102. "I'm George W Bush, and I approve this message."

we should send the cowardly POS over to Iraq.

Thanks for the link to Koppell's quote--it was spot on.

[Renew Deal]

13. I saw it for a sec. I am not sure.

I am not sure where those explosions are coming from. They could be missles, RPG's, IED, or car bombs.

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

73. That's a bit dramatic.

I don't think so.

[Goldmund]

124. Why not?

Other than the fact that this kind of a thing has happened in Iraq more than a several times in the last year, and will happen yet again, why is the comparison "a bit dramatic"? If you look at the number of dead civilians compared to the whole population, this is worse than 9/11.

[everythingsxen]

83. Why do imagine...

Whoever is leading the guerilla's giving a speech tomorrow morning saying something like "They hate us for our freedoms" and "We will export death and violence in defense of our freedoms to all corners of the globe" (or something like that).

[Media_Lies_Daily]

221. Are you sure that isn't Junior giving one of his speeches?....

<http://www.joebobbriggs.com/jbamerica/2003/jba20030418.html>

<http://www.americaheldhostile.com/ed041702.shtml>

<http://www.mikehersh.com/printer_Freedom_from_Food.shtml>

<http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/000910.html>

[Media_Lies_Daily]

223. I wonder how many "terrorists" under the age of ten are being killed...

...today along with their mothers and the fathers that are not yet fighting against the U. S.

I wonder when the entire Middle East is going to blow sky high?

[jellofan]

105. argh!

We are war criminals, we should hand this nation over to the U.N. for trial.

[Just Me]

2. A call to prayer taking place during the massive bombing.

Didn't we just let women and children back into the city?

WTF!!!!

[Amaya]

7. Yep they sure did!

:cry: :mad:

[atre]

21. That gives them the element of surprise, I'd imagine

nm

[NMDemDist2]

3. crap crap crap

those bastards!

[librechik]

5. that is the weirdest creepiest sound I've ever heard

:scared:
call to prayer is happening in between the gunship sounds and gunshot and mortar ounds, and the somber commentary of the pool reporter.

God forgive us.

[Just Me]

14. Will God forgive such things?

Maybe. I can't. I doubt the victims will.

I feel terrible. I feel sick.

[Demonaut]

37. So do I, did the women and children evacuate?????

[TheWraith]

101. Not all of them

About 50 or 60 thousand women and children got out, but there's still about 250,000 people in the city. Call it roughly another 100 thousand women and children.

[Bake]

136. Without repentence there is no forgiveness

And Bush never repents of anything.

Bake

[WheresWaldo]

19. not call to prayer

it was chanting, a meditative chant:

"allahu akbar, allahu akbar, la-illaha-il-allah"
"god is great, god is great, there is no god but god"

A bit different contextually than a call to prayer, which would be rather pointless in the middle of a bombardment. Its more likely relied on to soothe people, ease their fears, etc.

I wouldnt be surprised if no-one in the CNN newsroom is familiar with Arabic or the call to prayer.

[David__77]

36. Yes, it's chanting to reinforce morale.

They would not conduct prayers under the circumstances. This is Guernica perhaps.

[mrsadm]

62. still confusing about chanting

I am watching right now and the reporter was not sure what the chanting meant.

If my city were being bombed, I sure would start praying!

[bluestateguy]

8. But there's a cease fire

This is just a minor skirmish.

Nothing to see here.

[greenleaf]

225. Probably

there never was a "cease fire".
The "cease fire" negotiations were more likely a way of trying to drive a wedge between the Iraqis in the city.

[Cleita]

10. OMG

The mullahs calls to prayer are being heard through the mortar fire. It's like a vision of the apocalypse with the souls of the dying calling out to God.

I am horrified!

[NMDemDist2]

12. CNN is trying to confirm missle strikes from the

USS George Washington

[Say_What]

15. How to win friends and influence people--BUSH STYLE

all part of bringing *democracy* to the Iraqis. </sarcasm>

[74dodgedart]

39. Throw flowers at us --or else

What a mess... A city of 300,000 destroyed...

[calimary]

151. Yeah, man, you can say that again.

I am ashamed. I'm just ashamed. Horrified. Revolted. Bastard!!! All those civilians. Guess what? Those who survive are gonna be a whole bunch of brand new terrorists. Happy now, george? Good job, george. Way to go, george. Explain it to St. Peter and see how he likes it, when your miserable, empty soul finally reaches the outside of those Gates. I doubt he's gonna let you through them. If it were me, I'd turn your sorry ass 180 degrees, and then straight down.

[bluedog]

16. shock and awe in Fallujah oh gawd.

AC 130 gunships firing.those poor people....we have become the freaking terrorists..invading a country and installing our will on them.....

[Th1onein]

104. This is why I don't get people still supporting our troops.

Our troops are doing this. Of course, they are just "following orders," but this is genocide on the people of Iraq.

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. They planned for this over the weekend...

Timing this during a call to prayer is sick! WTF are they thinking!!!

[Cleita]

20. CNN bastards cut out the sound of everything except the reporter.

How sanitized.

[0rganism]

I heard the explosions and the prayer calls

Unless those are being dubbed in from stock sound footage in a final mix, I'm assuming those are from Fallujah.

[peterh]

22. 15-20 Explosions Heard In Fallujah, Iraq -TV Pool

*DJ US AC130 Gunships Firing At Targets In Fallujah -TV Pool


(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires
04-27-04 1440ET(AP-DJ-04-27-04 1840GMT)



I going to make the assumption that someone stopped talking…..
Earlier today, Kimmitt spoke….



DJ US Gen Says Talks In Fallujah Seem To Be Going Well

BAGHDAD (AP)--A U.S. commander says talks to end the standoff in the Iraqi
city of Fallujah seem to be going well.
U.S. forces had earlier extended a cease-fire in the city despite sporadic
fighting with insurgents.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told Associated Press Radio that the U.S. doesn't plan
on setting deadlines or ultimatums, saying they wouldn't be helpful at this
point.
But Kimmitt said U.S. military officials will follow the recommendations of
the Marine commander in the Fallujah area. He says if the commander decides it's
time to "stop talking," then U.S. officials will "stand behind him."

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
04-27-04 1116ET(AP-DJ-04-27-04 1516GMT)

[theboss]

23. Saddam couldn't control Fallujah

If you are trying to take control of the city, overwhelming force is going to be required.

Of course, that leaves the question of whether we should be there in the first place.

And that's where my dilemma comes into play. I believe that once we commit to war, all bets are off. You use overwhelming force and pound an enemy into submission. So - since we are already in over our heads in Iraq - this kind of attack is inevitable. But, we should never have had to face this choice.

[KoKo]

58. Pounding the enemy has seemed to cause them to be "submissive" in

our recent history, though has it. Alone we bomb.

Vietnam...Vietnam...Vietnam..

[KoKo]

CNN/MSNBC using the same feed. Looks like massive bombing although

they say it's strikes on arms depots. First they both reported that the truce was still on, then the story changed to "US surprise attack."

Then the story changed to "The Fallujan's wouldn't give up their weapons" so the truce was over.

Then they changed the story again to how there really wasn't a truce in the first place because the fighting was ongoing.

Then it changed to a reprisal for yesterdays battle where marines were severely wounded and one killed.

Take your pick. The propaganda is being changed as they report with bombings in the erie green screen.

Where are the women and children? Where are they?

[spinbaby]

92. The video feed is probably from Al Jazeerah

As far as I know, they're the only media representatives in the city.

[Just Me]

87. You can fool yourself into believing in one answer,...

,..."overwhelming force and pound an enemy into submission": but, I'm not buying and I doubt the Iraqi people WHO WERE NOT OUR ENEMIES OR A THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY will buy your one-size-fits-all answer either.

[theboss]

90. Which is why we shouldn't have invaded

But. . . once we're in, what the hell are we supposed to do?

[daleo]

115. Leave

It is really that simple and that complicated.

[Dhalgren]

120. "what the hell are we supposed to do?"!

We come to senses. We wake the fuck up and say, "Oh my gods, I can't believe we did this!" Then we close up shop and get the hell out! Why is this so hard to grasp? Spain did it, we can too. You just load the planes and fly the hell off. We have no business in Iraq - we should leave, NOW! Not tomorrow - NOW! There is no excuse for staying even one more day, period. Every excuse is simply some variation on "We know best." "The Iraqis aren't like real people." "Arabs can't govern themselves." "We want to rule the world." No reason for our staying one more day is valid - none. Iraq does not belong to US! Iraq belongs to the Iraqis! US out of Iraq NOW!

[theboss]

130. That would be great

We can leave three well-armed populations with no history of self-rule to slaugther each other in civil war. Heck, the Turks might do some slaughtering on their own. And the end result is Lebanon with Iran playing the role of the Syrians.

[Dhalgren]

138. Fine, leave 'em. They're adults, if that's what they choose

it's none of your business. The idea that we have to keep Iraq as a colony because they would just kill each other off if we didn't is an old colonialist saw. We are the great white hope for all of these benighted darkies - yeah, right. When the US was having its little civil war and we were killing off thousands of each other, do you think Lincoln would have welcomed some other country stepping in to keep the stupid Americans from killing each other. Hell no he wouldn't have. Peoples have to go through a certain series of events (no two quite alike) in order to come out on the other side as a nation, or group of nations. This isn't our place and we should butt the hell out.

[Just Me]

143. Good point, Dhalgren.

Why can't we actually prove that we believe in their capacity to pull their country back together,...and distribute billions in direct food, water, clothing, and medical supplies to compensate for our misgivings?

[Jacobin]

197. And they would do worse than we are, exactly HOW??????????

[Just Me]

123. Offer a hundred Iraqis each contractor job, for one!!!

For the amount of money we pay each contractor ($1000-1200/day), we could hire one hundred Iraqis at a damned good salary. Take out five hundred contracting jobs, give 50,000 Iraqis a means of supporting themselves.

STOP being such freakin' control-freaks is another thing that could be done. Bring in so-called opposition and include them in the process.

Set up a form of elections NOW is another show of good faith.

There are an infinite variety of ways to STOP doing the same damn thing which is clearly NOT WORKING. Use of force will NOT suppress or oppress,...it will merely inflame not only the situation in Iraq but also across the whole Middle East!!!

[calimary]

152. LEA VE. As long as we remain there, the violence, killing, maiming,

and desecration will continue. And terrorists everywhere will be gaining crowds of new converts. How the F--- is this making us safer????????

CALL YOUR REPS! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cornfedyank]

222. hire them all

$2/hour x 40hours/week x 50weeks/year x 23,000,000 iraqis = $92 billion/year.

i dare anybody to tell me, we are not spending more.

maybe they will ask us to leave. then shrub et al can smile and say "see that was the plan all along".

stop trying to cut off the head of the hydra.

wage peace.

[tedzbear]

113. Oh no, boss. This is racist genocide.

It's no different than what we did to the American Indian. Didn't you learn about manifest destiny in History 101?


It's all about the oil. Period.

:mad:

[theboss]

129. Oh, please

The invasion was stupid but that argument is alarmist nonsense.

[Just Me]

141. It was about the oil.

Oil and power and a plan for global domination created by some arrogantly ambitious right-wing radicals who now rule our country.

[BeHereNow]

25. FUCK-a-RAMA!

Oh NO
oh NOOOOOOOO.
That's it- no more of living in a country
that would do this.
NOT in my name and NOT with my tax money.

:cry:

BHN

[David__77]

38. Stay and fight!

Those committed to justice must fight right here at the center of it all.

[BeHereNow]

48. NO fucking way.

I am not waiting for the mercenary military
to shoot dissenting civilians here-
If you think it can't happen, you have not been
paying attention and have not yet fully comprehended
how far gone the situation is.
We have lost the country.
That's it, the end,
Fin.
BHN

[Dhalgren]

131. You may be totally right, BHN.

I feel strongly that there are plenty of US soldiers who would follow orders and shoot down Americans just like they are shooting down Iraqis. And now that this government has gotten a good taste of the Merc-brew, what's to stop them from hiring 50 or 100 thousand mercs to patrol our streets - no false loyalty, there. I have never, even in the darkest, deepest blood-feuds of the the late 60's and early 70's, felt as afraid of the US government as I feel today. If we have lost the country, we have no back-up. Some of you out there will know what that means.

[The Stranger]

195. No, what does that mean?

[cornfedyank]

224. democracy since the days of the greeks has only been an experiment.

the beautiful thing about America, imo, is that here is one of the few places the seed has broken the soil and started to show what it could grow into if nurtured and given a little tlc.

and if one reads an unbiased view of history, maybe it has not worked here either. examples: the native american, the african american, women

[hang a left]

145. Hey BeHereNow, my friend.

:hug:

I had a feeling they were going to do this. Let us hope and pray that Nafaf is not next. If it is there is no hope.

[calimary]

156. Damn! We NEED people like you BHN.

If you leave, PLEASE keep fighting from afar! I'm a Catholic, and I won't leave because somebody has to stay in there and fight for progressive change. But if you can't, PLEASE at least keep fighting from afar.

[BeHereNow]

186. Economic withdrawal is the best way I can think of.

At least I will wake up and go to sleep
knowing my taxes are not being used to
commit atrocities in my name.
I REFUSE to buy anything connected to corporations
and will continue to do so no matter where I live.
I have to get my kid out of here.
she is far to beautiful a soul to live
among the swine that Americans have become.
You at DU, are for the most part, a beautiful people,
but you must realize that you are a very small MINORITY.
And you have not yet begun to see the tidal
wave of hate that is coming directly at people
like us from our fellow citizens.
The Jews who left Germany saw such a tidal wave,
those who did not drowned in it.

Hugs-
BHN

[kerryin2004]

27. We must free the brown skinned people

One way or the other they must accept the freedom we are giving them.. Way to go Bush, keep freeing them brown skinned people..



/sarcasm

[Catt03]

199. Didn't he use that in his press conference?

Brown skinned people?

Why didn't the press point that out?

[kerryin2004]

201. yes he did..

Because the press is in the back pocket of the Shrub.

[hang a left]

203. Is it *bush pockets or that of the MIC's for which he is doing the bidding

[fryguy]

28. so much for joint patrols

as a way of trying to avoid an all out invasion I guess....

[everythingsxen]

29. Is this it?

The beginning of WW3? *sighs, dejectedly*

[everythingsxen]

79. Are we bombing that other town yet too?

I forget it's name and I am too lazy to look it up. No offense. I know it is a holy city and I do not mean to sound callous, but it all just blends together into one giant warcrimee...

[hang a left]

146. Najaf.

Not yet, not like this anyway.

[everythingsxen]

147. Yeah, found it in some other news stories and then posted an LBN..

about fighting outside of Najaf.

A few nights ago I had a nightmare about being a soldier in Fallujah. Last night was more of the same. This thing is killing me. I have to do something, but I don't know what I can do.

[hang a left]

161. It is heartbreaking to say the least. n/t

[calimary]

165. CALL YOUR REPS!

Call and complain! Call the media! Here's some resource info:

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated April 14, 2004– in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!


We CANNOT afford to remain silent about this. CANNOT.

[Just Me]

170. CALL: 1 (800) 839 - 5276 AND RAISE HELL!!! Thank calimary, too!

Our "resource provider"!!!

:bounce:

Luv Ya!!!

[redqueen]

175. another option 877-762-8762

LET THEM KNOW!!!!!

[calimary]

185. HEY, redqueen, THIS is a keeper, too.

I just tried this number and was transfered to my congressman's office - the EXTREMELY and UTTERLY and MOST Honorable Henry Waxman.

This one's good, too, guys.

THANK YOU, redqueen!!!!

[redqueen]

190. Lucky you

I had the pleasure of ranting to staffers in Hutchisons and Sessions offices. :puke:

My pleasure to help fight the good fight!

And thanks for that huge thread of contact info!

:yourock:

[calimary]

176. Hugs back atcha, Just Me!!!

Can't underscore frequently enough or strongly enough - how urgent and critically important it is to make yourself heard...

[duhneece]

215. Once more you have gently nudged me into action!

Thank you & bless your dang sweet heart for reminding me to phone my reps on the most important issues.

[bluestateguy]

30. What what about Laci, Kobe, Michael and Martha?!!!

Waaaaaaa!!!!!

[TNOE]

31. I'm am so

fucking ASHAMED of America these days........

My prayer is God - PLEASE GET RID OF GEORGE BUSH!

[tedzbear]

86. You should read this to better understand our oligarchy's mind frame...

at CBS MarketWatch:


"OPEC has acknowledged that they are ready to ratchet up prices jumping possibly 30 percent," said Kevin Kerr, editor of Kwest Market Edge, a financial newsletter.

Kerr believes "OPEC is saying in effect 'hey thanks a lot for coming here , and if we need help we will call you again -- oh and by the way --- here is you bill for the oil you protect, we just increased it 30 percent, thanks for shopping.'"


So otherwords, those brown skinned people should be grateful that the courageous USA is protecting their oil wells. (As if our SUV's don't need it)

:mad:

[crissy71]

32. on a related note - NYC Peace Benefit

NYC BENEFIT FOR PEACE ACTIVISTS FACING JAIL

WHAT: BENEFIT CONCERT

WHO: Queer feminist activist band from NYC "The Syndicate", Bands Against Bush power pop band "Gladshot", popular rockers "Marwood", Brooklyn’s own “Motico”, all-girl punk outfit "Pie", comedienne and activist Drae Campbell as MC and Special Guests TBA.

WHERE: Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard Street, NYC Directions at www.knittingfactory.com

WHEN: Sunday, May 2nd, 2pm

HOW MUCH: $15

WHY? This is a benefit show for the 16 non-violent activists who were arrested during a protest on March 26, 2003. They were protesting Rachel Corrie’s death, violations of Palestinian human rights, and the war on Iraq. They were recently convicted, and in what is seen as an effort to punish activists in the lead up to the GOP convention in August, now face jail time at their May 12th sentencing. This is an important case for the activist community, and the defendants need our support.

You can also help by donating funds at: www.m26.org

[Kemet]

47. Good to know.

I'll make sure i'm there.

[Wilber_Stool]

33. MSNBC thinks

it was a gunship that hit a weapons supply house.

[Frederic Bastiat]

42. Those morons

know nothing.

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[Frederic Bastiat]

56. I supported the war???

Where the fuck did you get that from? :eyes:

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[revcarol]

196. Not a gas station?

Lots of things can produce secondary explosions.

[0rganism]

34. Not bombings, it's "surgical strikes"

Probably surgically removing a bone spur or a tumor. Nothing to see here.

[Just Me]

93. The words I heard were "psychological strikes".

Since we have failed to "acquire" the minds and hearts of innocent Iraqis, we are going to just kill their minds and hearts.

[0rganism]

126. Wow! That's even better! This isn't surgery, it's psychotherapy!

With surgery, you have to really consider your options before undertaking a major operation. But who could object to a little psychotherapy? Hell, half the country's on some kind of psychotropic prescription medication anyway. We LOVE psychology!

So this invasion will soon be reclassified as a "group session".

[jdj]

154. Bush a psychotherapist? As in "psycho-the-rapist!" nt

[rocktivity]

35. They're liberating the town by destroying it

There was no intention of a truce or cease fire--don't tell me you BELIEVED them...

:headbang:
rocknation

[madmax]

41. Just like Nam

We had to kill the village to save it. :cry:

What a mess.

[peekaloo]

52. Yep.......Boo$h ordered it......I guess he figures those "brown skins"

can't govern themselves afterall.

God must be whispering to him again.

:mad:


:cry:

[calimary]

172. SOMEONE is whispering to him again.

But I doubt that it's God.

[dpibel]

180. News yesterday

Said that the deep thinkers had decided over the weekend not to make a move on Falluja.

Instantly knew the bombing would commence today.

It's good to have some consistency in the world: Whatever the Fierce Warrior Chieftain and his counselors say, you know the opposite is true.

[Sticky]

40. I can't watch

It's visually offensive. I pray this is over soon.

[NMDemDist2]

43. They are reporting just 2 strikes about 100 yards apart

the rest is "secondary explosions" they say

seems they hit some weapons dumps?

[daleo]

63. Yeah, sure

Uncanny how lucky they are - it is just two U.S. bombs, the rest are the other guys' fault. The World Trade Center was just two strikes about 100 yards apart, the rest was just the buildings falling down.

P.S. I am not implying Iraq had anything to do with WTC - just showing how absurd this parsing of causality really is.

[Spoon]

65. That's what it looks like.

Now there is what appears to be flashing from emergency vehicles.

[TheWraith]

84. Definitely some fuel

Other than a couple secondaries that looked like they could be explosives, the fires were large and consistent. They probably hit a cache that included fuel. Also, it's not quite two strikes, according to the reporter on the scene, it's two or three different locations hit by 20 to 25 Howitzer 105mm high-explosive cannon shells each.

To everyone else, stay calm. Over reaction and hyperbole gains nothing. The city isn't destroyed yet, no matter the casualties. Be cool and wait for the story to develop. We'll have the facts soon enough.

[NMDemDist2]

91. good sense advice

the fog of war has not cleared--

there will be causalities let's just pray they are few

[daleo]

106. Sorry to be contrarian, but where will these facts come from

Are we waiting for the Five O'clock Follies, as Saigon68 says? Or the official word via CNN? As for the city not being destroyed yet, well it seems they have made a pretty good start of things. Must we wait for Hiroshima to be alarmed?

[NMDemDist2]

109. al-jezeera and Democracy Now

Randi Rhodes, Bagdad burning, Doctors without borders etc etc

[hang a left]

148. What gets me is why is it being televised?

[0rganism]

210. Pre-empts coverage of the Cheney ETF disclosure hearings, for one thing

There's probably about half a dozen things it could be.

No action in the MJ trial, I guess.

[hang a left]

216. I was thinking about this earlier after I posted.

I have read a few DUer's elude to the fact that this "tough guy" stuff is helping *scumbush's numbers.

It could be that we are getting our butt's kicked and they wanted to show us flexing. Who knows what motivates these psychopaths.

[dpibel]

184. It doesn't count unless it's all flat n/t

[reprobate]

110. "We'll have the facts soon enough" What?

We'll have the facts? Here in the USA? Surely you jest.

When, since the selection of 2000, have we been given the facts?

Unless of course you aren't talking about the US media, but get your facts from overseas, then I would agree.

[flamingyouth]

139. No kidding, reprobate

Most excellent post. We won't have any facts. We'll just have made-up bullshit as usual, as Iraqis and our troops die by the thousands. Nothing to see here.

[tedzbear]

88. Secondary explosions might mean cluster bombs...

Do ya think?

:mad:

[BeHereNow]

44. I feel ill- really ill.

Have just been watching it-
Am thinking of the poor civilians there, the
terror of the children and helpless panic that
must be gripping their parents.
I can't imagine it.
I simply can't imagine how frightening it is.
I feel sick.
BHN
Network news spinning that secondary explosions
prove they were hitting hidden weapon supplies.
Sure, sure they were.
If they knew where the weapons were, why didn't they
just go get them.
Why do they have to destroy so many lives.

[NMDemDist2]

45. hugs BHN

:hug:

[BeHereNow]

53. Back at you-

:cry:
:cry:
:cry:
I am devastated by the images on my tv,
and even more so when I think of the dumb asses
in this country who are probably cheering.
I am so ashamed to be an American right now-
How could any human being do this to another?
BHN

[Just Me]

98. Humans without hearts, humans who are cold-blooded and greedy.

Those are the ones who are capable of creating such horrors. They are ruling over our country.

I mourn with you. :cry:

:hug:

[redqueen]

140. I'm sorry you're hurting

but I'm damned glad I'm not the only one that empathizes with the innocent victims this much. I have that exact same reaction, each and every time, no matter if it's the US who are the killers or the IDF is or some Palestinian terrorist.

I wish every American would have this epiphany - to realize how WRONG war is. Love your enemies, and do good to those that hate you, right Christian America? RIGHT?!

:mad: :cry: :grr:

[BeHereNow]

157. The lack of empathy is astounding-

That the blood thirsty crusading X-tians can see
others as anything but their brothers and sisters
is perhaps what disturbs me most about 'murikkkans.
The TOTAL lack of anything other that blind hate and
complete disconnect from other living beings.
I HATE Americans right now.
They are STUPID, IGNORANT, GREEDY, UNCONSCIOUS
SLOBS and they DESERVE to live under this satanic
corporate cabal.
I want OUT.
I think people here at DU who still cling to some
romantic dream of "taking back the country" are
completely deluded, and will most likely end
up shot by Mercs, or imprisoned as ENC's.
Everyone of them should sit down and watch
two films immediately:
1. Ship of Fools
2. The Pianist
WAKE UP People, those who disagree with
this fascist X-tian corporate government will
be dealt with as you now see them dealing with
people in other countries- you are not special,
your vote will not count, and dissent will NOT
be tolerated.
Ask the Jews of Warsaw what the writing on the wall is.
BHN

[redqueen]

169. Can't argue with a single thing you said

Completely and wholeheartedly agree.

Canada requires that you have $10K saved up before they let you emigrate there, as I understand it.

Guess it's Mexico for me, then.

[Just Me]

187. The writing is on the wall,...and there are tens of millions who see it.

BHN,...do you really believe our people have fallen to those depths at this moment? Historical marches have taken place over the last 18+ months in this country.

I do have moments, even hours and days, as you are having, where I fear the worst and know the limits of my individual power to stop it.

However, I KNOW that our people are sufficiently educated and caring and resourceful and strong to stand together against another "empire".

[BeHereNow]

189. The Iraqi People are FAR more educated

than the average American.
It did them no good at all in defense
against the Empire.
As I said to another poster opn this thread,
We have not yet begun to see the wave of
hatred about to be unleashed in this country
against anyone who goes against, or speaks
against the Empire.
It is the very same violence that is being unleashed
on the Iraqi people today and it makes no distinguishment
between people like us and them.
The X-tians are just dying to club the hell out
of homo-sexuals, intellectuals, agnostics,
and anyone else who does not think like them.
I am not waiting around for that day as I see it
clearly at our door...these attacks are going to unleash
hell and will be the perfect excuse for the cabal
to tighten the noose around us another notch.
Make no mistake, ther is a fundie in your neighborhood
who would love to bash your head for GAWD.
I sse them all the time and I am scared because
they are being given more and more power.
I think it no different that the Germans who were willing
to kill their neighbors. to deny that they are out there
and the Cabal FULLY intends to use them is just
plain foolish.
IMHO...
BHN

[Just Me]

204. I guess there is no way I can offer you any comfort, then.

I am sorry I failed you.

Sure, I have seen and bumped into and spoken to the kinds of extremists you speak of,...but, they don't represent the vast majority of people who do maintain some sense of their humanity. I also find that their "extremism" is usually limited to some narrow belief or another within a broader life that they live. They are still human.

I am not afraid of them or this administration. I am prepared to protect myself and my only son, if I find myself in conditions against which I cannot take a stand or fight. But, those conditions do not yet exist.

I marched with over a million other people just a couple of days ago,...people with passion and strength and greater resolve than a handful of right-wing radicals could ever know or overcome. Hence, I still believe that humanity will pull back that pendulum of radicalism.

[BeHereNow]

206. Thank you- sincerely.

You do comfort me- knowing people like you
are out there comforts me greatly- sorry, I did not mean
to dismiss or invalidate your support.
I am deeply afraid for us- all of us.
There is no place in Empire for us and I
am very concerned for us.
HUGS to YOU!
BHN

[Just Me]

214. You have a perfect name, "BeHereNow",...

,...are you willing to give that up or away? If so, will you give it up or away to "Just Me"? *grin* Naw!!!! I didn't think so.

You would never give away the strength represented by that name you chose,...Be Here Now. Your name represents the lessons acquired from the past and the wisdom to be limited by neither the past or the unknown future,...yet, have the knowledge and determination to live each day fully, in the present, with a vision of greater possibilities.

[hang a left]

208. I know that you are upset BHN. I can see what you are getting at

becoming a likely scenario. But not just yet. I know that I watch everyday for the signs. This may be the beginning of something awful, but there is still time.

[BeHereNow]

211. It is like watching a huge boulder

rolling down the mountain towards our village, is it not?
I hope you are right, I hope we have time-
The rapidity with which the events unfold is completely
alarming.
Just when I think I have figured out a time table
to plan on, they do something even more outrageous
which throws my whole plan off.
At this rate, I think our time is growing shorter
daily.
(((HUGS)))
BHN

[hang a left]

213. Tis.

I think we have at least a couple of years.......hopefully.

[gumby]

50. THIS IS HORRIBLE

This may be the beginning of the end ........ ours!!!

[BeHereNow]

59. You get the big picture, don't you?

WELCOME TO DU!
Today it is official- our government
does not give one whit about what happens
to us.
They know FULLY well that they have
just opened the Pandora box on the rest of us
for the rest of our lives.
Hell has just been unleashed on us.
They know it too, that is what is truly terrifying.
BHN

[KoKo]

78. Yes, I hate to say it, and be so doomful, but they don't care, that was

the thought that came into my mind watching this. They aren't to be trusted and they don't care. After all Bush said: "We will all be dead."

[fryguy]

51. I guess CNN is bushco lap dog again

Since they are still reporting:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/27/iraq.main/index.html

<snip>

The official said the military is committed to letting the political process work in an effort to keep the standoff and sporadic fighting from developing into a full-fledged battle.

<snip>

"As for people walking up and down the streets of Fallujah, we would encourage that," added. "We would encourage the capability not only the people of Fallujah to be walking up and down the streets, but the Iraqi Police Service and the Iraqi Civil Defense Service and the coalition forces will be walking up and down the streets."

<more>

Nice plan I suppose, encourage people to come out by declaring the ceasefire still in effect, and then launch Specter Gunships at them...

[daleo]

54. As many of us suspected, the ceasefire was a ploy

The U.S. military was just resupplying, working out the air strikes and logistics. Just when you think this BFEE bunch can't sink any lower...

[KoKo]

75. Yes, one of the "talking head generals" pretty much admitted that, when

asked by an "anchor." Anchor said: "We should assume that this airstrike was planned even thought a ceasefire was supposedly in place."

General replied: "Yes it takes planning to do surgical stricks of this precision so this would have been in the planning stages for some time."

Interesting isn't it. They don't even bother to lie anymore.

[jdj]

159. It's weird how they are spinning it as retaliation for

yesterdays attacks, but they DROPPED freaking PAMPHLETS!!!

How long does it take to print up that many pamphlets and plan out the drops?

[keithyboy]

55. US Terrorism...live and in color.

I guess our great Marine force couldn't take the city so we have to level it from the air. And we will call ourselves brave heros. Mai Lai II. There is nothing to be proud about concerning this. We are in their country, killing their people and expecting them to not fight us back and for doing so they are called 'thugs' 'terrorists' 'insurgents' and we are called 'liberators.' We are in some kind of spiritual time warp. I am not proud to be an American today. It isn't enough that Bush is responsible for the deaths of over 700 of children...he has to make up for it by killing thousands of Iraqi women and children.

[Paradise]

57. want to know who we are really dealing with? take a look at f.r.! n/t

[NMDemDist2]

61. argh

:puke:

To: Mo1
call me crazy, but did we just PLAY DUMB & WEAK for the past few weeks?
By telling them that we wouldnt attack mosques, they might have all gathered in them and then we took out a few mosques?

If so, that was a brilliant plan.


15 posted on 04/27/2004 12:07:16 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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[Paradise]

66. do you know what MOAB (reply on f.r.) means? n/t

[NMDemDist2]

68. MOAB = Mother of all Bombs n/t

[Paradise]

100. thanks AZDem. who or, more appropriately, 'what' ARE these people??? n/t

[peekaloo]

72. Me Orgasms About Boo$h!

Mother of all bombs?

[Paradise]

107. thanks peekaloo. it appears 'they' do! n/t

[everythingsxen]

76. Massive Ordnance Air Blast

According to the Air Force. Mother of All Bombs is just it's nickname.

[Paradise]

103. thanks, everythingsxen. :( n/t

[prolesunited]

80. Just turn that around

Remember after 911 how so many people sought refuge and comfort in churches. Would it have been OK for the agressors to bomb them?!?!?

My heart aches for the innocents who are dying today. And then to take joy in such death and destruction. :wtf:

[redqueen]

144. "to take joy in such death and destruction"

Every time I read something like this I can't help but think of the false church I heard about as a kid.

These people aren't Christians. They're greedy, bloodthirsty subhumans.

[BeHereNow]

64. I CAN'T!

I already know and it makes me sick to my stomach.
They have the government they deserve.
Me?
I am OUT of here.
I will not be a citizen in a country that would do this.
There are plenty who are willing, I say
let them have it, they deserve it.
BHN

[NMDemDist2]

74. breathe BHN Breathe --

"we pause when agitated or doubtful and ask for the right thought or action"

:hug:

[BeHereNow]

89. Thanks- I can't tell you the fear I feel right now.

Like a swarm of rabid butterflies in my stomach.
I want to go to my kid's school, grab her and
catch the next plane out of the US.
There is going to be HELL to pay for this.
And the bill collectors are coming HERE.
This is going to cause major blowback on
us.
BHN

[young_at_heart]

60. My first thought.......Guernica!

Picasso's famous painting comes to mind.

[Ripley]

67. Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights

is what I had in mind.

[robbob]

135. Yeah, and it's so appropriate that

b* and co. had that paintng covered up when Powell visited the UN.

Modern day fascists.

[Rex]

71. So much for the cease-fire.

Not that I believed it would last very long. AC-130s are ripping the city apart.

[Sticky]

77. Cripes!

My co-worker just called me crying and said, "You should see what the Americans are doing to Iraq"

I said, "Not all Americans agree with this!!!"

[BeyondGeography]

81. We're destroying the village in order to save it

[MaineDem]

82. What's with the anti-aircraft fire?

If it was OUR AC130 and those are anti-aircraft guns firing those tracers, whose guns are they??? This makes no sense to me at all. But, then again, none of this does.

[AZCat]

96. As I understand it...

Those anti-aircraft guns were some of the ones the 'Coalition' wanted turned in during the cease-fire.

I guess they didn't turn them in.

[theboss]

133. How the hell did they get anti-aircraft guns in the first place?

Where they left-over from the Saddam regime and we never collected them? Good God.

[revcarol]

198. CNN says they are OUR illumination flares

designed so our night vision on the planes works better.

[MaineDem]

202. These weren't flares

These were rounds with tracer shells included.

I saw what I think they meant by the flares (they were stationary on the ground) but we also saw rounds flying up through the air. I can't imagine anything fired into the air would be of use to a plane's crew. Just the opposite.

[democrank]

85. End Bush`s reign...please...anyone...please.....

The reporting on cable is apparently being done by a "pool reporter" feeding whatever the military is telling him to our cable channels.

Another day, another MISSION ACCOMPLISHED......

[Chicago Democrat]

95. Complain to CNN!!

Here's mine:

You're cheerleader approach to news coverage of the destruction of Falluja is disgusting.

CNN - Crony News Nonsense

-----

Let's all complain:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/

[calimary]

188. Absolutely, utterly! DO IT!

COMPLAIN! PLEASE make your voices heard!

CNN comment line: (404) 827 - 0234.

Eason Jordan - CNN News Chief
Fax: (404) 827 - 4215.

[tedzbear]

97. I feel like Obi-wan in Star Wars...

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of lives have come to an abrupt end..."

I am paraphrasing of course. Anyone know the exact quote? I think it really applies to us today.




Guys, my heart is heavy and I feel so powerless over Bush/Cheney right now...

:mad:

[everythingsxen]

112. It's -

I felt a great disturbance in the force. As though millions of voices cried out in terror, and then suddenly silenced.

http://www.moviesounds.com/starwars.html

[tedzbear]

117. Thanks.

Yes! That's how I feel today.

:mad:

[everythingsxen]

118. I know it's really messed up of me...

but can you imagine Rumsfeld gloating over Saddam right now and saying "The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master." or possibly even interrogating prisoners by saying "You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor - take him away!".

Sorry, just trying to stay light, I know a lot of people are dying, it's all I can do to stay sane though.

[Kool Kitty]

194. Your quote is close enough-

I've been thinking about that, too. I can't imagine how frightened the children are there. And their parents. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. And the news models are reporting this like it's just a fireworks show. Please tell these idiots that there are REAL PEOPLE DYING there. Families just like their families. American soldiers. Real breathing people that have not done a goddamn thing to us. The people of Iraq did not threaten us. The soldiers that joined up and were thrust into an unjust war by a pack of liars and thieves. People that just want to see their children grow. People that just want to live their lives, just like us. I hate this, I hate it.

[Yavin4]

99. We Are Worse Than Saddam

Unfortunately, this bombing may have just clinched the election for Bush. Too many Americans just love the fact that we're bombing and killing people, esp. non-White people, regardless of the facts or the aftermath.

If we have to do this kind of bombing more than a year after the invasion, then Iraq is a failure.

[tedzbear]

108. Most Americans think Iraqis should be grateful we're protecting their oil.

As if our SUV's don't need it.


This war plays to the lowest common denominator: White superiority and racism against the nations of Islam (breeders of terrorists).

[BeHereNow]

116. And that is the truly disgusting truth.

"Too many Americans just love the fact that we're
bombing and killing people, esp. non-White people,
regardless of the facts or the aftermath."

And I say let them have this country.
They deserve Bush and his satanic minions.
BHN

[ze_dscherman]

119. Meanwhile the UN Security Council is briefed about Iraqs future.

Brahimi is very concerned. Live on BBC now, can't get CNN here.

[NMDemDist2]

122. Concerned? yeah I'm concerned too n't

[anarchy1999]

127. There is only one thing for us to do at this moment. Get on your phone.

Call every representative you have. We should have been on the streets. We the people, we are ultimately responsible. We have let these criminals get away with this.

I'm in BHN's camp. I feel so sick. The CNN coverage is obscene! The propaganda, mindless and factless. Who are these insurgents and who really are the "terrorists"?

[Point_n_click]

173. Called Senator and Congressman

I just took a break from work to go call my rep and senator to demand immediate action. I asked that they find out if this is killing innocents as it appears from all accounts to be genocide and that if this is true that the administration be immediately arrested and turned over to the international war crimes court.

From what the receptionist for my representative was saying they're expecting to get swamped with calls. They're watching with the sound down and even they are shaken by what they see.

The time has come to take action. I will not condone violence, but we simply must go physically into the streets and call our reps and senators and then we must march on the capitol demanding immediate resignation of the entire administration.

No more murder in our names.

[calimary]

191. You guys are Righteous! Can't stress this enough.

Here, for everyone's convenience, yet again...

PLEASE NOTE MY SIG LINE – TO CALL YOUR REPS, TOLL FREE!!!

OR, TRY (877) – 762 – 8762. It’ll get you there, too! (Thank you, redqueen!)

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated April 14, 2004 – in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!

[reprobate]

128. I think this will not go well for * and his minions.

In this mornings paper Thomas Friedman, the once total supporter of the * war, said that our only choice now, after all the civilian deaths, will be to just leave iraq and let the iraqis fix it.

He said that too many of the people now hate us and what we've done for any action on our part to now be successful.

Not exactly word for word, but I'm writing from memory from this morning. The important thing is that Friedman was, until now, fully supportive of the "war to bring democracy to iraq". He's done a full one eighty. Can others be far behind?

[The Magistrate]

142. If Friedman Has Bailed, Sir

The ship is truely sinking....

"Desperate men do desperate things, and stupid men do stupid things. We are in for a desperately stupid summer."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Jacobin]

200. Nope. Friedman was merely a useful cheerleader for

the invasion to confiscate oil. He was enthralled with the glowing, yellow brick road ideas of Kristol and Perle and Wolfowitz....Jeffersonian Democracy overtaking the M.E. so that all would become peaceful neighbors of his beloved Israel.

Ah Yes....such wonderous and beautiful thoughts are used as pretexts for conquistadors.

He will now be relegated by the Right to the junk heap of the "weak kneed liberal NYT writer.

[hang a left]

218. Friedman is scum. A tool. Guilty of treason.

There is nothing he can ever do to not occupy his reserved space in hell.

[gottaB]

134. reuters footage, ap story

ap story: http://www.boston.com/dailynews/118/world/U_S_aircraft_hammers_Fallujah_:.shtml

Whatever else you hear, patriots, know that "targets" are being "hammered." If what you see looks indiscriminate, disproportionate and murderous, do what Kimmitt suggests and change the channel. Ain't it the truth.

Footage from Falluja is now in the Reuters feedrom:

http://reuters.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp

[maddezmom]

137. CNNI has split screen of Fallujah and Brahimi at the UN

:(

[AngryAmish]

149. Won't someone please think about the children?

[tandot]

155. I think most of us are thinking about those innocent children and families

as well as our soldiers and their families.

What a nightmare.

:cry:

[loudsue]

150. WHERE'S DUer CALIMARY???? WE NEED PHONE/E-MAIL LIST

We've got to start hammering EVERY news room, and EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS to express our outrage at this slaughter!!! RIGHT NOW...WHILE IT'S ON-GOING!

We need to express our outrage in the most specific terms -- to EVERY elected official in washington.

Then we need to hit the streets, and demand impeachment! These are war crimes! Call for rummy's resignation. Call for bush's impeachment.

No, I know it will never happen, but they need to know we are totally freaked out, and fed up with these atrocities being committed in OUR name with OUR tax dollars.

This is it. This does it. This truly IS WAR!! War against greed, arrogance, imperialism, REPUBLICANS and everyone who supports this illegal war.

SADDAM'S GONE! We have no business there!

:kick:

[anarchy1999]

158. Here is the link for media from Calimary

Here is the link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

I just finished calling two reps and my 2 rethuglican senators (texas, Kay Bailey and Cornyn - staffers hung up on me, always do).

Message I received from both reps offices are they are not getting many calls at all about Fallujah. GET ON THE F"ING PHONE PEOPLE!!

[Lars39]

162. Here's a toll free Capitol Hill Switchboard number:

1 (800) 839 - 5276 - TOLL FREE Capitol Hill Switchboard number! They'll transfer you to any House/Senate office you name!

[calimary]

193. Present and posting like a crazy woman!

XOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOOXOXOXXOXXOXOOXOXOXOXOOXOXOX to everybody here. We have to buck each other up.

I've posted the master list link elsewhere here, but it is TREMENDOUSLY gratifying to see other DUers pressing the case also.

Blessings to all of us.

YOU will be standing in front of St. Peter with a clear conscience. YOU will be standing in front of your own bathroom mirror every morning with a clear conscience. Because YOU were resolutely NOT in collusion with these bastards, and you did NOT enable them, or look the other way while they did their evil deeds. YOU are the true patriots.

[leftchick]

153. WHY the Fuck Did They Let These Babies Back Before BOMBING ?!!!!

Along with a LOT of other people. Fucking WAR criminals all of them!!!




Displaced Iraqis watch American soldiers while waiting to pass through a U.S. military checkpoint to return home to Fallujah, Iraq Tuesday, April 27, 2004.(AP Photo/John Moore)

[anarchy1999]

160. Keep in mind, these two beautiful kids just might not make it through

this night or what is coming in the next few days.

Get on your phone. Flood the media with all the facts and stories we can find. Why is no one listening? I do not think we are making enough noise!

[leftchick]

164. omg anarchy...

Since this next phase of insanity started this afternoon I have these two babies eyes embedded in my brain. I listened to cnn/msrnc as this shit was happening and found their spin unfuckingbelievable yet again. Bombing the "bad guys"!!! :puke:

[anarchy1999]

182. It is hard to wrap ones head around. I know. I'm having a rough time

accepting this. I feel paralyzed and powerless. I've called, I've faxed, I take part in weekly actions against Halliburton.

I have been worried about Fallujah since last year. It is making me crazy watching what is happening right now.

What can we do? I don't have an answer in the world. I'm just so sorry and may God have mercy on us as a nation and as a people.

Keep in mind, Blessed are the peacemakers.

One note, when I called rep's offices they told me they are not getting many calls about Fallujah. Ramp it up everyone! Keep on keeping on. I will not be silent, because if I am silent then I will be complicit.

[Just Me]

209. Being compassionate & determined does not equal paralyzed/powerless.

We are exercising our power to be compassionate and determined. Neither equate with feeling paralyzed or powerless unless we are allowing ourselves to be infected by despair and/or hopelessness, which is exactly what the predatory tactics of force that the freon neocons want to spread in order to expand their own power.

[hang a left]

166. Now I want to cry. I didn't turn on CNN as I have no desire to watch

the massacre. What beautiful children, they look between 3 (the boy) and 6 (the girl). Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is beyond evil.

[saigon68]

167. IT'S just plain MURDER

Displaced Iraqis wait to pass through a U.S. military checkpoint to return to their homes to Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, April 27, 2004.(AP Photo/John Moore)

[leftchick]

174. oh saigon...

it is my son's birthday today and I am so fucking sad over this new slaughter. I am leaving to take him out to dinner, need to put on a happy face... :(

[redqueen]

177. my prayers are with you

He deserves his special day. I hope that you can chase these thoughts out of your mind for him, for a while.

:hug:

[saigon68]

178. Tell you son you love him

My partner's reserve unit is getting activated today. Its a hell of a mess

Take care

John

[David__77]

181. This is why the insurgents are fighting.

Many of them are common men and boys who have had loved ones or neighbors slaughtered like farm animals. They have seen the swaggering pride of their enemy and respond in kind.

[redqueen]

183. To maximize the grief and outrage

That's the only result they're going to get. And increased resistance. I suppose they might have thought that this would diminish their morale. I'd hazard a guess that this will do nothing but harden their resolve.

I know what my reaction would be if it were my children they'd endangered.

:nuke:

[0rganism]

212. Maximize Grief & Outrage --> Encourage Terrorist Attacks

Bushco is fishing for the next popularity surge. Could this be part of it?

[playahata1]

163. Duty done re: CNN

Here is what I told these bastards and bimbos:

"Your coverage of the invasion/occupation of Iraq is nothing short of disgusting. You are nothing but a bunch of cheerleaders for a rogue government that is systematically wiping out people of color over a certain resource -- that is, OIL -- and the fact that they are NOT the right religion -- because they are Muslims. I will not support such actions that Mr. Bush is doing in my name. I have no quarrel with Iraqis, Muslims, or anyone else in the Middle East. And when I say "anyone else in the Middle East," I mean that Syria and Iran are next on Mr. Bush's hit list.

"I absolutely refuse to watch bloodshed being passed off as entertainment, and you, sirs and mesdames, are no longer a news network -- you are nothing but an entertainment network for the ignorant masses that make up a significant portion of this country. This is NO LONGER the nation I am obilgated to pay my taxes to, let alone the nation I pledged allegiance to as a child. Good day."

I don't know how much good this will do, but I had to get this off my chest someway, somehow. I have no plans to leave the U.S., but I am at a loss as to what I can do to fight those bastards. I have little confidence in the electoral system, and I don't know if and what I can do to change people's minds and hearts. Peace, for God's sake.

[jackstraw45]

168. Somewhere in the United States...

An aroused Dick Cheney is drooling with pleasure.

[cap]

171. pray for the women and children

a lot of them turned around back to the city. They don't drive and/or wouldn't leave without their menfolk.

Pray for Peace.

[redqueen]

179. Amen

Pray for the safety of the innocents. Pray for the enlightenment of those that do these things. Pray for the enlightenment of those that support them.

:cry:

[freeminder]

192. AP story "U.S. Warplanes Hit Insurgents in Fallujah "

U.S. Warplanes Hit Insurgents in Fallujah

1 minute ago

By JAYSON KEYSER, Associated Press Writer


<snip>
The second straight night of battles in Fallujah came as the extension of a fragile cease-fire ended in the turbulent city west of Baghdad. Marines have been preparing to begin patrols in the city later this week.


Tuesday's battle appeared far heavier than the previous night's clashes, in which a Marine and eight insurgents were killed — suggesting U.S. forces were trying to wear down gunmen in the Jolan neighborhood, a district of narrow alleyways and ramshackle houses.


An AC-130, a powerful gunship that can unleash a deluge of ordinance, joined 105mm howitzers in opening up on insurgent targets in the neighborhood. Gunfire and explosions reverberated for nearly two hours, and an eerie orange glow shone over the area while showers of sparks descended like fireworks.


Fires were visible in the Jolan neighborhood, and mosque loudspeakers elsewhere in the city called for firefighters. U.S. aircraft dropped white leaflets over Fallujah before nightfall, calling on insurgents to give up.

/<snip>

So the mosques were calling for firefighters...

[Just Me]

219. Freeminder,...this is LBN. You may want to consider a seperate post.

If you don't, I probably will.

[hang a left]

220. Might be a good idea. This thread is really long. n/t

[loudsue]

205. Here's my letter to Calimary's list of contacts:

"Subject: The SLAUGHTER of Iraqis in their OWN country!

Dear:.......

The slaughter today in Fallujah is an OUTRAGE ON THE WORLD STAGE!

The United States has NO BUSINESS being in Iraq, much less slaughtering thousands of Iraqis.

Saddam Hussein is GONE! There never were any WMD's! Iraq had NO ties with Al Qaida before 9/11, and were NOT responsible for 9/11.

If someone came to THIS country, uninvited, and started bullying Americans, we'd be doing the same the the Iraqis are doing. We have NO RIGHT to fight them and destroy their homes and families, nor the right to destroy their cities. How would you like it if someone was doing that to YOUR family, to YOUR neighborhood?

Donald Rumsfeld should be FORCED to resign, and George Bush should be IMPEACHED AND JAILED for lying this country into war.

This is an outrage, and makes me terribly ashamed of my country.

The news media has no business cheerleading this invasion. Have you any idea of the terror that those people are living in? The HORROR that has become their lives?

This war has made America a FAR MORE dangerous place than ever before, and it is the fault of GEORGE W. BUSH.

Before the war, the Pope himself told Bush: "If you go to war in Iraq, YOU GO WITHOUT GOD!"

Pretty obvious, isn't it?"


I sent it far & wide. And called my senators & congresscritter.

[Paradise]

207. I'm so very proud of my fellow DU'ers.

(Written shortly after September 11th, 2001 - Equally appropriate today)

(Snip)
"Though we can't change human nature, we can change human nurture. Most easily, we can pay closer attention to our moral compass, to our interactions each day -- and rarely do we need someone else to tell us how.

It comes down to reconsidering the ethical stands we take with each other and with all life. We might not have the moral vision of Vaclav Havel or the moral courage of Nelson Mandela, but we can foster ethical awareness and leadership in ourselves."
(Snip)

And you've done that, here on DU, today!

http://www.humanity.org/imagine/change/

[Point_n_click]

217. Protest in D.C. 4/28

I was planning to use my day off tomorrow to relax after a long work week and to also go to a medical appointment, but have decided that in light of this attrocity I want to go to D.C. and protest.

I live in Baltimore and may take the train down unless some others are going and want to carpool. My car won't handle the trip, sadly.

I'll watch this threat to see if anyone else is planning to go and where we can meet.

Jim

[soleft]

226. Please continue discussion in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x514039