CNN: new fighting in Falluja (Live) 2:45 PM ET

[Khephra]

[Jacobin]

1. Lemme guess: "But the ceasefire remains in place"

Am I close?

[Khephra]

7. Same as it ever was....same as it ever was

Yep.

[hang a left]

26. Haven't seen you for a while khephra.

Hope all is well.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

11. Most violent ceasefire I ever did see...

nt

[Just Me]

25. I had to take a break from the huge blasts being aired,...

,...it just was overwhelming to watch it as I was thinking "but, they didn't do anything to us,...they did nothing to hurt us".

Sometimes, I wish I could go completely numb for awhile. At least, I still have my sense of humanity still intact.

[soup]

16. Faux news calling it a semi-ceasefire

no, I'm NOT kidding.

[Fleshdancer]

17. Semi-ceasefire??? Is that like being kinda pregnant?

it's either a ceasefire or it isn't. No gray area on this one! Faux is so freakin' idiotic it kills me.

[soup]

20. sorry I heard it, let alone passed it on.

Couldn't believe it myself. It was the first 'news' channel I came across looking for the news.

[samsingh]

21. i was going to say

faux is semi-news but that's giving them way to much credit.


faux does pravda during the soviet era proud. they are traitors.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

32. So are half-truths better than none at all? hmmm. n/t

[Just Me]

49. "killing",..."people",...

that is what is happening

people are being killed

[lebkuchen]

2. MSNBC banner: Bush committed to Fallujah victory

A Bush's ego is on the line, so the world must suffer as a result.

What a sorry-assed family this is.

[Joanne98]

5. It's all about his will don't ya know

:)

[bloom]

12. but not a victory for Fallujah...n/t

[reprobate]

35. The one we need to see is just plain "Bush Committed"

[Jackpine Radical]

46. Unfortunately, civil commitment in most states requires

that three conditions be met:

1) That the patient have a diagnosed mental disease or defect
So far so good

2) That as a result of said mental disease or defect the patient poses substantial risk to self or others
again, no problem

3)That said mental disease or defect be treatable or reducible through medical management
There's the rub!

[loudsue]

3. These attacks on Iraqis are deplorable massacres.

We've opened Pandora's Box, and it's really breaking my heart. Extremely distressing.

:kick:

[Just Me]

48. Can we be "human" and cry, now?

Can we mourn the loss of lives that never hurt us or threatened our security?

:cry:

[Bonobo]

4. "Secondary explosion"! How fucking dumb do they think we are!?

Yeah, we musta hit another ammo dump, my ass!

I guess those "insurgents" just pack all their little RPG's and IED's into the storhouse when they go to bed. How convenient for us.

I am so sick! I could step on Barbara Starr's snotty face!

[leftchick]

9. they did that last night too...

the murikans eat it up and love the beautiful light show!.... :puke:

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[Just Me]

41. Who are they fighting?

Oh, yeah,...heh, heh, heh,...they are fighting those who are occupying their city and country.

That would be,...US.

Gee, what is wrong with these people that they don't want US corporatists taking over? I just do not understand? Do you? What's wrong with those people?

[belladonna]

6. Can't bring myself to change the channel and look

It's all just too infuriating and sad to watch. Especially when you hear how excited they get and listen to them try to spin it as a positive thing.

[Just Me]

8. Everything is returning to "normal",...

,...in that hell created by The Busholinis.

[maddezmom]

10. today's "afterschool special" brought to you by the US Military & CNN

:( but Falluja is returning to normal, say bush*.

[Just Me]

39. Ouch,...

I missed that one.

:cry:

[peterh]

13. Well….I know one book that’s not on the WH reading list…

“Soft Power”…….I’m certain that Joseph Nye is persona non grada within the PNAC group…

[Az_lefty]

14. Bush will win this ceasefire, no matter how many have to die!

[maddezmom]

15. the embed on CNN just reported there have been no gunfights

so why the hell are they bombing the crap out of them. I thought Kimmitt said today, that the US will shoot back if fired upon.

[catmandu57]

18. This is going to be win the battle lose the war

We're putting so much on this, that we're not seeing that the outcome is foing to do us serious harm. Sure, we've got the means to flatten Fallujah, but what does that say to the rest of Iraq? To the world?
How low have the mighty fallen, this isn't going to stop at Fallujah, or Najaf, or Baghdad, were in this mess for a very long time now.
Another slow walk in a hard rain.

[Just Me]

28. Kimmitt lied.

What can I say.

[maddezmom]

29. Kimmitt cetainly doesn't seem to know WTF is going on

Who is in charge over there? :eyes:

[Bragi]

19. Why is this being shown now?

I noted a BBC reporter this morning saying that the bombings yesterday and today in Falluja aren't particularly different than what's been happening for the past few weeks.

The only difference seems to be that the US now wants us to see what's happening, which is why they have installed a pool video feed of the bombing action.

So what's the point? Is it to get Americans used to the idea that the place is being bombed, and hence preparing the way so they can level the city, and people will figure there was no real choice?

This doesn't make a lot of sense, but I can't think of any other theory that does.

Be nice of some of the commentators were to address the obvious question of why they are now being shown bombings that were off-limits last week.

Not likely to happen, though, since the media are just happy to be have these "neat" visuals to spruce up their factless reporting.

- B

[daleo]

36. Maybe because of Bush and Cheney at 911 inquiry

Perhaps this is a distraction, at least for their base. If they are fed pictures of Moslems being killed, they will not question Bushco's performance at the inquiry, and all the related matters. The sight of infidels being killed will soothe their cognitive dissonance on other matters.

[Bragi]

38. Not a bad theory

Another diversion theory would have to do with the charges laid today against the troops who CBS got footage of abusing Iraqi prisoners (i.e. abductees).

Maybe they want Americans to see that not everyone is spending their time abusing prisoners, and most are focused on the main job -- shooting and bombing insurgents.

Having said that, I'm not sure I see the new pool feed as just a diversion. I think it's a setup for something in Iraq itself that is about to come, or that they think is about to come.

Or maybe they are just playing to their dissatisfied core, those who are complaining that the US is going too softly with the insurgents, and should be shooting and bombing more Iraqis.

- B

[Claire Beth]

22. surprise surprise n/t

[nostamj]

23. "LIVE DEATH"

all day on CNN...

the ceasefire rages on..............

[Khephra]

24. If this is a ceasefire

then I would hate to see what peace would be like.

[leftchick]

27. in bush* world war = peace....

so maybe what we are seeing is the bush* peace..... :(

[Jacobin]

30. Wanna hear what Kimmit the Frog just said, and I quote:

What you're seeing today in Falluja today is a series of defensive responses," General Kimmitt said. "When we get shot at, we will respond. We will not sit there and take fire, even though there is a cease-fire going on."

[maddezmom]

31. well reports from the scene differ

the reporter with the marines said, that had been no gunfights this evening(Iraq)time.

[saigon68]

33. WAR CRIMINAL



[Jacobin]

37. Somehow, I don't think these people will ever be

successfully conquered.

It appears that Murkins are in for a surprise about how the world works and about how citizens of a country feel about invaders coming in, blowing it up and occupying it "for their own good".

Somehow, I think this is all going to end very very very badly, worse than Vietnam.

[everythingsxen]

47. Holy crap!

A 15 million dollar reward for their heads? Each!?? Whoa...

[maddezmom]

34. notice the "blackout" on Najaf

can't seem to get a handle on what's going on there today?

[Just Me]

42. With all "occupiers" cameras on Fallujah,...one must wonder,...

,...whether Najaf is being rendered "dust to dust".

Downward spiral,...mass murder,...

Who's in control?

NOT THE PEOPLE!!!

[TheMightyFavog]

43. Marines telling insurgents to "Surrender or Die".

Who are we, The United States of America, or the Klingon fucking Empire?

[Must_B_Free]

44. Wicked Witch of the West

[Just Me]

45. Let us NEVER forget the reason for such sacrifices,...

,...EVER!!!!