Breaking CNN and BBC- Israel launches 3 airstrikes in Lebanon

[maddezmom]

Suspected Lebanon Hezbollah Site Attacked
Israeli Warplanes Fire Missiles on Suspected Hezbollah Hideout in South Lebanon

The Associated Press



BEIRUT, Lebanon May 5 — Israeli warplanes fired missiles at a suspected guerrilla hideout in south Lebanon on Wednesday, shortly after Hezbollah gunners fired on Israeli jets, security officials said.
The Lebanese officials in southern Lebanon said two Israeli fighter jets fired at least one missile at a valley near the village of Zibqine, southeast of the southern port city of Tyre.


~snip~

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040505_519.html

[THUNDER HANDS]

1. oh boy

here we go again...

[maddezmom]

4. you not kidding, which came first the chicken or the egg?

Israel invades airspace, gets fired upon and they shoot back....

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. its maddening

It's like Israel wants to do everything humanly possible to give up the moral high ground.

It's not hard to like Israel, or respect it, as a whole. But with its current government it's nearly impossible not to want to pull your hair out watching its actions the last 4 years.

[aquart]

10. And you think it would have been different with another government?

An entire nation with PTSD?

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. PTSD?

what's that?

[leftchick]

13. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder....

:shrug:

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. oh

well, yes I do think it would be different. Israel could try a liberal PM, like they did all those years ago when they were actually coming to peace agreements with their neighbors.

Or, at the very least they could not install PMs who used to run their military.

[Toronto Ron]

25. like Barak?

The only reason Sharon was elected and re-elected is because the disillusioned Israeli left stayed home on election day. They were disillusioned because the Palestinians rejected the peace offer from former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which President Clinton worked so hard to help along. Turnout in the Sharon victory elections was in the 60%'s, whereas it is usually anywhere from the high 70%'s up.

As for "installing" PMs who ran their military, note that Barak and Rabin were of the same background as Sharon in this regard.

[forgethell]

40. Is a peace agreement

that isn't kept worth anything? Why did the Israelis stop talking and start fighting? Why did the peace agreements fail? If your "partner for peace" either cannot, or will not, stop the slaughter of your citizens by his side, what possible use is he? Which of their demands are the Palestinians willing to give up for peace? Inquiring minds want to know.

[greenleaf]

56. Initially you had me thinking

of Begin and his peace deal with Sadat but then I thought, Begin wasn't a liberal.

But I think you're right that Rabin was a liberal and he perhaps could have negotiated a viable peace with the Palestinians, unfortunately he had a body guard that was a bit 'slack' and he was assassinated by a right wing 'nut'(i.e. lone gunman).
Now they have Sharon, who was found responsible for the massacres in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps,by none other than the Isreali Parliamentary Commission (Kahane Commission, i think) investigating those atrocities.
No wonder he sticks in the craw of the Palestinians.

The remote hope with Sharon is, that he can cut a peace deal with the Palastinians because of the very perception that he is a hard liner
(i.e. do a Begin).

[belle]

31. good point...

[daleo]

36. Palestinians probably have a claim to PTSD as well

n/t

[chimpymustgo]

45. Palestinians: PTSD, poverty, apartheid.

I have no respect for the Israeli government. What have they done for peace? Murder innnocent women and children, assassinate whomever they feel like, treat the Palestinians like shit.

They treat the Palestinians like animals - which makes the Israelis just that - animals.

[democracy eh]

2. Reuters link

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05418967.htm

Israeli jets bomb south Lebanon -security source

BEIRUT, May 5 (Reuters) - Israeli jets bombed southern Lebanon on Wednesday, Lebanese security sources said.

The raid on the outskirts of Lebanese villages and surrounding hillsides came after the Lebanese army fired anti-aircraft rounds earlier in the day at Israeli jets that flew over the country.

[Scurrilous]

68. Two Hezbollah positions struck were unmanned

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=6967

<snip>

"The pilots who conducted the raid in southern Lebanon reported two unmanned positions were hit, a Northern Command official said. According to the official, “It is unclear if the Heabollah fighters abandoned their positions fearing an Israeli reprisal, or if the positions were empty ones”.

[bloodyjack]

3. Oh we will all fry together when we fry.

We'll be french fried potatoes by and by.
There will be no more misery
When the world is our rotisserie,
Yes, we will all fry together when we fry.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. We will all bake together when we bake

There will be nobody present at the wake
With complete participation
In this grand incineration
Nearly 3 billion hunks of well done steak!

[Ripley]

8. Oh we will all sizzle together when we sizzle.

We'll all melt in the nuclear drizzle.
The end is quite near
So hold onto your dear
Cause the human race is about to fizzle.

[0007]

53. Nice poem, did you wirte it?

[Ripley]

58. Yes, I wirte it.

Or, to be more accurate, I wrote it. In response to mayah... and Hawker...'s poems.

I thought we were kinda creative. No?

On edit: added the international symbol of poets: B-) B-) B-) B-)

[0007]

61. Very good

[HawkerHurricane]

62. No, me and mahayasmellbad did not.

I recognized his verse, and followed with the next verse, from Tom Lehrer's "We will all go together when we go..."
A quick google search...
AND

ARTIST: Tom Lehrer
TITLE: We Will All Go Together When We Go

When you attend a funeral
It is sad to think that sooner
Or later those you love will do the same for you
And you may have thought it tragic
Not to mention other adjec-
Tives, to think of all the weeping they will do
But don't you worry

No more ashes, no more sackcloth
And an armband made of black cloth
Will someday never more adorn a sleeve
For if the bomb that drops on you
Gets your friends and neighbors too
There'll be nobody left behind to grieve!

And we will all go together when we go
What a comforting thought that is to know.
Universal bereavement, an inspiring achievement
Yes, we will all go together when we go

We will all go together when we go
All suffused with an incandescent glow
No one will have the endurance
To collect on his insurance
Lloyd's of London will be loaded when they go

Oh we will all fry together when we fry
We'll be french fried potatoes by and by
There will be no more misery
When the world is our rotisserie
Yes, we will all fry together when we fry

Down by the old maelstrom
There'll be a storm before the calm

And we will all bake together when we bake
There'll be nobody present at the wake
With complete participation
In that grand incineration
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak

Oh we will all char together when we char
And let there be no moaning of the bar
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that ICBM
And the party will be "come as you are"

Oh we will all burn together when we burn
There'll be no need to stand and wait your turn
When it's time for the fallout
And Saint Peter calls us all out
We'll just drop our agendas and adjourn

You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas
Go directly, do not pass Go, do not collect two hundred dollahs

And we will all go together when we go
Ev'ry Hottenhot and ev'ry Eskimo
When the air becomes uranious,
We will all go simultaneous
Yes we all will go together, when we all go together
Yes, we all will go together when we go

http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/wewillal.htm

[Ripley]

70. Thanks Tom Lehrer.

I didn't know that actually was a song HH. I thought you were just clever, so I was imitating you!

The original verses are better, and even if written in the 1950's it could still apply today.

[HawkerHurricane]

72. Let's hear it for Tom Lehrer...

who gave up political satire with the statement:
"Since Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, Political Satire is Dead."

Some of his songs ended up in the London musical, "The Madness of George W."

[nolabels]

48. I think its closer to 6 billion or so now

McDonalds will super-size it for you if you like

(snip)
Watch out McDonalds, Over 1.5 BILLION Served by Java! (View Original) Posted: Feb 19, 2004 6:57 PM

This post originated from an RSS feed registered with Java News.
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Latest Posts From Javalobby

Yep, you read that right, Sun announced today that over 1,500,000,000 devices around the world are now powered by Java technology. It's a pretty huge number, and one that we can reasonably expect to continue growing as vast numbers of Java-powered embedded systems devices begin to appear. Here is Sun's breakdown of the numbers:

* 250 million Java-enabled wireless devices
* 650 million desktops
* 500 million Java SIM and Smart Cards
* 100 million other devices

I guess my old Java ring falls in the "other devices" category, although I can't remember the last time I actually tried to use it, and it is big enough to fit Andre the Giant in any case. Wow, 1.5 BILLION Java-powered devices. That's great!

PS - Yes, I know that 1.5 billion is nothing compared to the "billions and billions" Mickey D's has served.
(snip)
http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=136&thread=35058

[HawkerHurricane]

63. The song was written in the 1950's.

And is a little dated, now.

[lumpy]

7. Israel invades Lebanese air space

to deliberately draw fire so they can fire back, cause they are just dying to have a piece of Lebanon and kill off innocent Lebanese in the process. I'm sure Bush will look the other way since Bushco's objective is to bring "democracy and freedom to the Mideast with Israel's ("our strongest ally") help.

[aquart]

12. I don't recall Lebanon being a happy Israeli experience.

Please provide proof of your slanderous statement.

[newyorican]

38. not slanderous...

as slander refers to the spoken word. If the statement in question is written, then the proper term would be libelous.

That is assuming you are correct in the first instance.

[xultar]

9. WTF is wrong with Israel? Why are they picking fights. They have WMD

they have fighter jets. There is no question of their military power,
why pick fights?

I hate to say it, but, I'm really beginning to despise Israel.

[aquart]

14. Feels good, doesn't it?

Here's a thought: a weak nation MUST provide instant military response.

What is BIZARRE at DU is the delusional belief that Israel is a strong nation. Its behavior is perfectly consistant with the survival behavior of a weak nation.

You don't like the idea that you're despising a 98-pound weakling, do you? Well, YOU ARE.

You have bought a carefully prepared bill of goods and swallowed it like dessert.

But enjoy it as it goes down.

[PsychoDad]

18. Just for our enlightenment....

Which of poor lil' Israel's neighbors has equal or greater military might? Equal or greater military budget? Equal or greater US $$$$ funding? and equal or greater numbers of nukes?

Oh yes, and which of her neighbors have subs capable of delivering those nukes almost anywhere, such as poor lil' Israel has?

[forgethell]

42. Look at the relative populations

Israel is weak. What are the proportions of aid that the US gives israel and Eygypt?? What naion, enemy to Israel, is floating on a sea of oil?

[PsychoDad]

54. Still doesn't equal military might.

Israel is not weak, if they were they wouldn't be so belligerant.

[frylock]

19. poor wittle iswael..

they never do anything wrong. Why is everybody picking on poor little Israel? All they ever do is incite violence with their airstrikes, and shooting of protesters.

Israel has become that good friend who always drinks too much, and starts picking fights with everybody. After a while, you get sick and tired of defending your drunk friend's actions.

[Toronto Ron]

27. poor wittle Hezbollah [eom]

[leftynyc]

51. And don't forget poor widdle Hamas

those poor innocent babies!!!

[Dhalgren]

20. A 98 lbs. weakling with nuclear weapons

and the most powerful, modernized army/navy/airforce in the region. Hey, I wouldn't kick sand in that kind of "weakling's" face. Israel has made it a virtue to over-react and be "pre-emptive". Israel cannot find high moral ground as long as it refuses to acknowledge the ligitimate claims of the Palestinian people. They can cry "fear" and "abuse" all they want, but the knife cuts both ways. The Palestinians are not pure in this, but neither are the Israelis. They base their claim on the land on a bogus, mythological deed, and then kill to defend it. There has to be a reasonable, international resolution to this problem that does not include disenfrachising anyone. "Santa Clause gave it to me", just doesn't get it, anymore.

[Just Me]

23. I value Israel and her people,...but, I DESPISE the leadership.

Just as I value and love my country,...but DESPISE its leadership.

Aggressive, unilateral, lawless policies do NOT contribute anything towards peace.

[jmcgowanjm]

26. WARNING! Sharon is now a wounded animal.

GUSH SHALOM press release May 4, 2004
pob 3322, Tel-Aviv 61033 - www.gush-shalom.org/

* Sharon - wounded animal
* The Golem Turns on his Creator

His Plan is dead. He is incapable of getting
another
plan adopted. He is powerless to evacuate even
one
single settlement.

His sole way out is to embark on spectacular
military
operations. There is no limit to the bloody deeds
he
may now launch in order to survive.

http://www.portside.org/showpost.php?postid=75

[greenleaf]

55. This is dangerous

not so much in of itself but in the sense that both Israel and the USA are trying to draw Syria into a fight.

As it becomes increasingly obvious that Iraq is turning into a quagmire and fiasco for the US military the danger becomes that for various reasons, pressure will build on the US to expand this war in order to justify it.At this point an Israeli invasion of Syria to 'link up' with the Coalition in Iraq probably seems as a viable option in some quarters of both the US/Republican and Israel/Likud leaderships.

I hope that Syria doesn't take the bait.

[DS1]

28. Oh, the Israel backed up by 13 Billion in US arms per year?

The ~only~ country that gets fully equipped F16s instead of the limited capability models sent to any other buyers.

[makhno]

65. And then proceeds to sell the technology to rogue states

Link

[Pallas180]

66. I'm sorry but I dont understand why you dont want to protect 5 Million

people against the 1.2 BILLION people who are trying to annihilate them. I'd say they've done a darn good job of staying alive with everything that has been stacked against them. And you begrudge
anyone selling them the equipment to defend themselves against those odds?

The truth is if the Arabs stopped chasing their tales long enough, they would not only imitate Israel's success in farming and business, but if they ever decided to just march on that little country they could and would just march over it.

Now let's see: 5 million divided into 1.2 Billion makes how many Arabs to each Israelite?

Now who's the bully?

[muriel_volestrangler]

71. I'm amazed you think you can comment on this

when you haven't the faintest idea of the total number of Arabs. It's about 300 million.

http://www.escwa.org.lb/information/reviews/2004/16apr.html

[54anickel]

37. "behavior of a weak nation". Is that what's driving the US to the same

behavior? It is an interesting thought, no?

[PsychoDad]

24. Because they can....

They have the backing of the U.S. and no one in the region has the ability to stop them.

A classic bully. Picks fights because he knows no one will stop him.

[DulceDecorum]

30. Baalbek

It is said that Solomon commanded demons by way of his Ring.
The demons, led by Asmodeus, built the temple in which the Ark of the Covenant was to reside. This Temple was destroyed.
It must be rebuilt before Mosiach can return.

Is Solomon's temple located in Baalbek?
Yet the description of the temple is very detailed and realistic and I have no doubt that is refers to a real, existing temple, which must have been very famous. In Baalbek, in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, there is an impressive temple complex from the Roman period of which the so-called Temple of Bacchus has exactly the same dimensions as Solomon's temple. It has a porch, a main hall and even a Holy of Holies that is exactly of the same size as the Holy of Holies in Solomon's temple: about 10 by 10 metres. The temple itself is Roman, of course, but the foundations are probably much older. They are built with extremely long and big stones - exactly what the Bible tells about Solomon's temple!
There are several myths about the origin of the temple; according to one tradition it was built by Solomon. According to Erich von Däniken the foundations were built by extraterrestrial visitors!
http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~meester7/engsolomon.html

We could bluntly state that the Shadows are trying to open the Stargate within it,
but it is much more acceptable to merely speculate that some misguided religious devotees
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/baal.html
have convinced themselves that Hizbollah should be evicted from this holy site.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9903/08/lebanon.tourist/

[bloom]

34. The US and Israel are two of a kind

or maybe we're all the same - but nobody announced it.

[JohnLocke]

39. Taking out Hizbollah can hardly be described as "picking a fight."

[rman]

44. and they carefully pick their opponents; the weaker the better.

much like the USA.

[Malva Zebrina]

47. It does seem a provocation and that looks like a taunt

It does not seem to be a "defense" of anything at all, yet we are always told by Bush et al, that Israel has a right to "defend" itself.

I submit that the meaning of the word "defend" has been bastardized to mean murder and slaughter by suspicion, by those who bomb anything they "suspect"

The reports always say "suspected" person, or suspected hangout or house or cave or whatever.



Who does the "suspecting'?

Is this "suspecting" a democratic procedure, coming from the only democracy, as we have been told, in that area?

[keithyboy]

15. Isreal is trying to provoke a battle by flying over Lebanese air space

This is designed to help Bush and the US and Sharon out of their recent problems. Any action that Lebanon takes against Israel will be justified. But of course, our media and the Israelis will say that they are terrorists and Israel has a right to defend itself.

[SOS]

17. How would the US react

if Cuban fighter jets violated US airspace?

[Dhalgren]

21. Excellent question! Any answers, out there?

[maddezmom]

22. JMO

:nuke:

[Toronto Ron]

29. Yeah:

Would Cuba be justified in sending aircraft over the U.S. if the U.S. launched missiles into Cuba?

[birdbrain]

33. That's not an answer, it's another question.

Duh.

[Toronto Ron]

43. birdbrain indeed

Ever heard of a rhetorical question? (Don't bother answering, because that's another example of one :think: )

[The Stranger]

46. What about if . . .

Would Cuba be justified in sending aircraft over the U.S. if the U.S. launched missiles into Cuba?

. . . Cuba had been occupying the U.S. for 20 years?

[Toronto Ron]

49. I'll play along...

Israel is occupying Lebanon? That's news to me.

[The Stranger]

69. For 20 years Israel occupied Lebanon and still occupies Syria.

You really should keep up with current events.

[SOS]

50. Not in evidence

From the article:

"The Israeli airstrike, the first in south Lebanon since March, came two hours after Hezbollah anti-aircraft guns fired on Israeli warplanes that flew over the region."

"the region" is US newspeak for sovereign Lebanese airspace.

No missles launched into Israel. The events as described in the article:

1. Israel violates Lebanese airspace.
2. Lebanese fire anti-aircraft guns
3. Israel destroys "hideout"

Your analogy would only work if Lebanon launched a military strike on Israel, which is not the case.






Ê

[Toronto Ron]

52. Maybe, maybe not:

According to Ha'artez (don't try telling me they are pro-Sharon):

"Israel Air Force planes hit two Hezbollah artillery positions in southern Lebanon yesterday, after they fired at targets in northern Israel....

The Hezbollah anti-aircraft shells, the first in several weeks, fell in Kibbutz Achziv, close to the Israel-Lebanon border.

The shells were fired in two volleys, and their explosions echoed loudly in the areas of Shlomi and Nahariya.

Shrapnel from one shell fell west of moshav Betzet, causing a small fire, but fire fighters from the Western Galilee put it out swiftly, preventing its spreading to the community's houses."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/424197.html

[lumpy]

59. Perhaps Haaretz is a moderate

Israeli publication and not pro-Sharon. Quite possible. Sharon does not have full support by all factions in Israel, of course. The newspaper is owned by the Zionist family, Schocken. The problem is that this news information is reported by the IDF, therefore the reporting is suspect.

[proud patriot]

32. I have a friend from Lebanon ....His mom and other family is still there

:-( I just sent him an email :-(

[DaveSZ]

35. ABC.com

I thought we were boycotting Disney.

:P

[maddezmom]

41. sorry it was the first link I could find

:( I'll do better next time. :pals:

[ufansdilligaf]

57. Israel was justified in this instance

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/424197.html

ABC should not leave out such major details to discredit Israel. You mess with the bull and you get the horns.

[lumpy]

60. This isn't the first time the IDF has violated

Lebanon airspace. Any reports coming from the IDF and reported in the Israeli paper Haaretz is suspect just as reporting from US military is in some biased US publications.

[leesa]

64. Ah yes, Israel keeping terrorism alive.

Genocidal maniacs.

[Pallas180]

67. Genocidal maniacs. I assume you are being sarcastic. Palestine

hs sworn to obliterate Israel.

There are 5 million Isrealites in that little country.

They are surrounded by 1.2 billion Arabs.

What the pluck are you talking about?