Anti-Kerry veterans group protests ad

[NeoConsSuck]

(CNN) -- A group of Vietnam veterans opposed to John Kerry's presidential campaign demanded Tuesday that he remove a photograph that appears in one of his television advertisements.

In Tuesday's "cease and desist" letter, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth called on Kerry's campaign to stop what it said was the unauthorized use of the images of some of them in a 60-second biographical spot titled "Lifetime." The ad began running nationwide in early May.

The U.S. Navy photo in question depicts 20 officers, including Kerry, and was taken January 22, 1969, on the island of An Thoi in Vietnam. The ad shows only a portion of the picture -- not all of the men are visible -- and is displayed for two seconds.

But even the men who are not in the ad have a right to demand the picture not be used, said Alvin A. Horne, a Houston attorney who served on a swift boat in Vietnam in 1969-1970. He is giving legal advice to the group. Eleven of the 20 men in the picture oppose their images being used in the campaign ad, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/01/kerry.ad/index.html

[ashling]

1. at least they can complain

the victims of 9-11 shown in Bush's ad don't have that luxury

[saracat]

2. Ted Sampley

should be thrown back in jail for all the misrepresenting and forgeries with which he mislead the MIA families.And now he is on the Freeper payroll.I wonder if Mellon Scaife has the elves at work again? This is de ja vu. Too much like the Clinton harassment.

[saracat]

3. Delete Dupe

[Democat]

4. These sell outs are all being paid by the right wing

Crybabies.

[saigon68]

5. Crybaby Vets

Seen a lot of them.

[Claire Beth]

19. yup, they just need to get over it. n/t

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[DarkPhenyx]

7. It one in five officers in the picture.

It's a group of officers. Notoriously more conservative than the men under them.

[jobycom]

10. Watch for it, these "eleven" will turn out to be one.

Or less. Bush's team lies like this all the time.

It's standard in cases of photgraphs to require the consent of those in the photo, and I suspect that these officers have been "advised" to protect their legal rights in case this photo begins to be used commercially.

They may have contacted eleven officers and gotten them to express curiosity as to why this photo was used, or agreed to be witnesses that they were in the photo, or something innocuous. It may even be that eleven officers were told by this attorney that since their faces were being used they would become national figures in the debate, and thus the officers should protest the photo to maintain their privacy. Bush then twists these numbers to claim 11 are opposed to being in the photo because of Kerry.

Don't believe it. Slander is the only strategy the Bushes have ever used, and they couldn't stop even if one of them suddenly gained a conscience. The military, like the rest of America, is turning quickly on Bush.

[KC21304]

11. I think it maybe more than a tad worrysome. Because

those "vets" have sold their soul. And it will all be for naught.

[Bandit]

15. I disagree

Senator Kerry's record is very pertinent whether it be his "war record" or his Legislative record or any thing he did in his past that could indicate the type of man he is. The same should hold true for Bush* except Bush* is not proud of his record so we will never hear a word of it. Three DUIs, refusing a mandatory physical and then abandoning his post. His failures at Arbusto and Harken Oil. I think it is important to know about how a man behaves under fire and how he treated his subordinates. We should know all these things about Bush* as well but the "Liberal Medai" is afraid to dig into it. It is a shame that those who send our soldiers off to war have never had to experience any themselves. It is no wonder they have no concept of how a mission is accomplished or not. The only mission they have ever seen is on TV and we all no how easy it is to be a hero from your armchair. Kerry is a true American Hero in many many ways. He has the courage of his convictions which can hardly be said of many on the right.

[papau]

25. Only 15 served with Kerry in Vietnam - and 14 back him

other names that do not back him come from those who were there but not with him, or officers that gave glowing evaluations then, but now are on the GOP payroll and are willing to dis him for travel, room, and board expense reimbursement (as in the Boston photo-op they had).

[Bandit]

27. Yes they either lied then or are lying now. Either way they are LIARS

:shrug:

[rebellious woman]

8. Will someone "please explain" the veterans attitudes to me? I cannot

understand their positions on this "deserter" who
had the gall to present the wreath at the "Tomb
of the Unknown Soldier", be at the WWII memorial
go to Europe for that memorial...Please explain
their idiocy to me....and/or is it ME??????? As
far as these vets are concerned against Kerry,
all I will say, more looneys.

[SlingBlade]

9. This has Rove’s fingerprints on it

I’ve been hearing this dribble all year, On one of the local FREEPER boards in K.C there is one that uses the tag “Vietnam vets against Kerry”, Shows you where he is coming from.
It’s the same old B.S, Bush can do no wrong, Kerry can do no good.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

13. Obviously it is! Kerry should hit these S.O.B's back hard!!!

Assuming that these "vets" actually served, I would say that they are a DISGRACE to America!!! They have shamed their country!

[NeoConsSuck]

18. Salon has an article about this group vis a vis Kerry...

but I don't have a subscription.

The Vietnam investor behind the "Swift Boat Vets" attack:

The group attacking Kerry for his antiwar record is backed by a wealthy veteran who's profiting from his business ties to the Communist regime.

Subscription required:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/14/gannon/index_np.html

[Jack Rabbit]

12. This is a hoot

The group describes itself as a non-partisan, public advocacy organization.

And FoxNews is fair and balanced, right?

[saigon68]

17. They are Repuke Revisionist Crybaby Vets

A close look at them will probably reveal they are sexists, racists, homophobes ( add right wing metaphor) they probably hate the Spotted Owl too LOL

[diamond14]

14. how about an Anti-bush* Veterans group?...Veterans from Vietnam

who served in the Alabama and Texas ANG....

[GiovanniC]

16. The Best Part:

A Kerry spokesman dismissed the group's claim, noting the Swift Boat Veterans used an enlarged version of the same photo at a news conference announcing the anti-Kerry group's formation in early May.

"Somehow they didn't call to ask if they could use John Kerry's image," Michael Meehan said. "When it was useful for their politics they show a big blowup."

Hypocrites, anyone? And, is anyone surprised in the least?

[diamond14]

23. those neo-cons...they always just shoot themselves in the foot...

they are so consumed by HATE....


I'll bet that nasty Vietnam Veteran was simply madder than hell that he's still working in a gas station (true story) while Kerry sits in the Senate of the United States of America....

there's always that FEELING OF SUPERIORITY if you can diss someone who actually accomplished something in their lives...that's why many rePUKES attack so much...they do not have the ability to logically discuss anything and are plain JEALOUS of those who have succeeded more than them...it's also why the neo-cons are so DANGEROUS....

KKKarl rove himself couldn't even finish college, although he tried several times....but he's real good at attacking, lying, slandering, and destroying people's careers....

[Catherine Vincent]

20. This is all so silly!

The Kerry group should just delete that part from the ad so this group can SHUT THE HELL UP!

[yelladawg]

21. I don't think they are Vets

Just more neo cons on someone's payroll.

[trogdor]

26. What, give in?

Surely you jest. I suppose he should quit going to Mass because some blowhard bishop in Colorado says he's a sinner and so are the people who vote for him.

You don't negotiate with these people. You SURELY don't friggin' appease them by giving them what they want. What you want to do is kick them square in the nuts.

Let 'em talk. They show their profound ignorance every time they open their mouths. There are plenty of folks (like us) who are ready and able to throw their shit right back at them.

[colonel odis]

22. let's see this group

1) prove that they're veterans of vietnam
2) prove that they're the people in the picture
3) prove that they're not being funded by republicans

screw 'em.

[diamond14]

24. excellent idea...great questions for the press to ask, as they seem

to be falling all over themselves to interview these idiot neo-cons...and never seem to ask such OBVIOUSly important questions...

[RetroLounge]

28. A better term for these sellout Repugs should be

Swift-Boat Vets against America...

RL

[progressivebydesign]

29. Wait... Does CNN BOTHER to reveal the background of this group?

I mean.. where is the journalistic integrity, folks? Couldn't CNN mention the people who RUN this group as being MAJOR Bush pals and supporters??? No.. that would be too professional.

I love how that guy Alvin A. Horne who served on "a" swift boat, is fighting with Kerry on this. So.. could some Democrats who have flown planes similar to the one that Bush supposedly helped land for his ill-fated Mission Accomplished event, sue to keep Bush from using that photo? This makes no sense.. and the dipshits at CNN and their ilk, need to be fucking HONEST about WHO is bankrolling and organizing these jerks. Like that O'Neill guy that didn't even serve with Kerry, but made the rounds of the political shows talking trash about Kerry. Do any of the pro-military, pro-veteran people who are GOP ever get uncomfortable with NON-VET GOP types like Bush, Rove, Cheney, etc. trashing VETS? Like Max Clelland and John Kerry??? Hypocrites would sell their grandmother if they thought it would get them a fucking tax break, and complete freedom to carry AK-47s.