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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:59 PM
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500,000 Protest Bush's Visit In Rome (UPI)
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 04:00 PM by doxieone
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040604-040853-5056r.htm

500,000 protest Bush's visit to Rome



Rome, Italy, Jun. 4 (UPI) -- Thousands filled Rome's streets Friday to protest President Bush's visit and their own country's involvement in the Iraq war, CNN reported.

Police deployed some 10,000 officers around Rome as an estimated 500,000 protested Bush's arrival and Italy's active support of the U.S. war in Iraq.


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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:01 PM
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1. This is the Friday Night Surprise... All day our media has
only said "tens of thousands" protested.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:01 PM
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2. If Washington Times says 500,000 must be about 1,000,000?
n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:42 PM
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14. Absolutely! Three cheers for the free Italians!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:46 PM
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15. Yet Earlier Today...
...CBS Radio News was reporting that the crowds were "nowhere near what was suspected."

Were they expecting the whole damn COUNTRY to show up???
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:54 PM
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21. YES!
Don't you know a protest doesn't mean shit unless 200% of a country's total population turns up! <sarcasm...obviously>
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:55 PM
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22. One Million Protest Terrorist Visit to Rome
An estimated million people filled Italy's capital city Rome's streets on Friday to protest the Terrorist President Bush's visit and Italy's involvement in the Iraq occupation war.

Italian state police deployed tens of thousands of officers around Rome as an estimated one million protested Bush's arrival and Italy's active support of the U.S. war in Iraq.

Protests, which were largely peaceful, reached a peak shortly after Bush had an audience with Pope John Paul II in Vatican City.
<snip>

http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=53169
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 12:13 PM
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56. Great article Struggle!!!
Refreshing clarity and honesty from a journalist! A must-read!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:49 PM
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46. The BBC Report from London on PBS just said 25,000! That's a huge
difference! And yet the Moonie Times says 500,000! It must have been a million and the BBC has been told by Blair to shut up. :shrug:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:02 PM
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3. Wow! This is terrific. I hope Junior watches TV to see his 'welcome'.
Way to go, folks!

:toast:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:22 PM
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10. This oughta roast Poppy's butt, eh?
He may realize no one likes his lil prince.
:nuke:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:05 PM
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4. Oh my. Poor Smirky
Can't leave the country without be heckled by legions of hacked off citizens.

Good thing we won't be seeing those throngs on Pravda here at home. :eyes:
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:06 PM
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5. The Bushler, the War President busy spreading more love!!
Most hated human being on earth!!! Go Rome!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:41 PM
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13. Isn't that shocking: being the most hated man on the face of the earth!!!
Actually, it hurts me,...as an American,...it hurts me and is embarassing and humilitating,..and,...I just can't say,...
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:07 PM
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63. I remember as a young girl,
seeing President Kennedy beloved where ever he and or he and Jackie went. Throngs and throngs of people cheering him and loving him.

I remember the whole world in dispair at his death. I'm glad I'm old enough to have those memories. This world would have been a much better one had he lived. No one can change my mind on that.

Mainly what I'm saying, don't dispair,people over the world know it's this awful little man who wasn't really elected and not most Americans.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:08 PM
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6. The pResident POS even tries to buy the Pope
What a f*ck'n lowlife and that includes his *deer in the headlights* stepford wife.

...During that meeting Bush gave the pontiff the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest U.S. honor given to civilians.

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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:10 PM
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7. Wow!
That's huge! Think we'll see pictures of the protestors on Nightly News?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:11 PM
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8. 25000. Yep. AP reports earlier in the day had official Italian
sources putting the crowd at 25,000. No problem, they always miss it by a multiple of 20.

You'd think that by now they'd be able to take an aerial shot and estimate the number of people via a standardized people-per-square-yard formula. Of course, that would make problems for govs worldwide.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:59 PM
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23. When do they do their counting?
Three hours before the official start?
Why not make it three days instead; "Yup, I told you so. Nobody showed up."
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:17 PM
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9. Maybe the Romans will crucify him...
nah, no such luck!
:shrug:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:48 PM
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16. BWAHAHAHAHA,...good one,...but, way off "God-sends". n/t
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:23 PM
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11. Headline News (not CNN though) has been reporting 500,000 all day -- YEA!
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:15 PM
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30. CNN is even reporting 500,000 believe it or not!!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/04/bush.italy/index.html

Protesters swarmed the streets of central Rome after Bush met with Pope John Paul II, one of the strongest critics of the war. Police estimated the number of demonstrators at 500,000.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:19 AM
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53. and by now, the BASTARD media has removed the key 500,000 sentence
from the posted article -- same link as yours -- just SCRUBBED of the facts the busheviks did not like -- more REVISIONIST history :puke:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/04/bush.italy/index.html
<snip>

Protesters swarmed the streets of central Rome after Bush met with Pope John Paul II, one of the war's strongest critics.

Authorities deployed 10,000 police in strategic sites in anticipation of violence. The crowd was boisterous but relatively peaceful.
<snip>
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:46 PM
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62. The whole damnable
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 06:47 PM by hippywife
article is different! The line did say that the police were placing the estimates at 500,000...the police, not the organizers.

I really am so proud to be of Italian descent. :D
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:37 PM
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12. any link
or pics yet?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:08 PM
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17. BBC news says police put it at 25,000
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:35 PM
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18. The Austrian Press reports

The following is a brief, rough translation from a report on http://derstandard.at/:

Hundreds of thousands of protesters walked through the streets of the inner city (Piazza della Republica) of Rome behind a huge banner saying, "No war, no Bush." Among them were anti-globalisation people, members of left-oriented parties, Catholic movements, members of the strongest unions and environmentalists. One sign read, "Bush, Blair, history will punish you." Opposition political leaders participated, including the head of the leftist democratic party (I don't know the name of the party in Italian), Piero Fassino and the leader of the opponents of globalization, Vittorio Agnoletto.

The demonstrations were peaceful. The organizers tried to exclude anarchists and members of disruptive groups. Members of one of the unions yelled out slogans against the police.

Bush's visit is Berlusconi's most expensive campaign advertisement at the expense of the Italian people. The 10,000 police, etc. will cost about 40 million Euros, twice as much as Italy is spending on humanitarian relief for Iraq.

The protesters blocked some of the streets. Most residents of Rome kept away from the streets. For example, the subways registered 40% less traffic than normal.

If you want to see pictures, go to "Ansichtskarten" (post cards) at http://derstandard.at/.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:05 PM
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26. Even the Easter Bunny hates his guts!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:38 PM
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19. another protest article in the Washington Times?
what's going on? :shrug:
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:49 PM
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20. Ciao Italia ! Good for them. He is despised throughout the world.
How anyone could even entertain the thought of voting for
him is beyond me.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:00 PM
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24. Some photos here:
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:05 PM
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25. More here
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:42 PM
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33. What's up with all the protester support for Che Guerra?


Were the protesters mostly communists? I thought they were supposed to be ordinary citizens with a common hatred for bush. WTF does Che have to do with a bush protest? Che is long dead.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:03 PM
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37. They are all communists...
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 10:25 PM by Dirk39
all of our comrades, who don't like to be a banana, are communists:-)
Are communists excluded from being "ordinary citzens", just because they eat little children and want to expropriate the small shop owner around the corner and did survive Gladio?
What the hell is an ordinary citizen? Funny happy little girls like Lyndie England, who dream the american dream? Those who are racists, watching Fox-TV, think there is a jewish world conspiracy or that the American Government was hijacked by UFO's? Or those, who just did vote for Bush and think that Iraqis did attack the WTO? And who consume, drive SUV's and watch TV. It's better for them. Sooner or later those evil communists with their Ernesto Guevara Pictures will seduce them or their children. Stay at home, watch T.V., go to Wall Mart, go straight back home or to your fundamentalistic church. Evil communists are around every corner.....
The world is dangerous and America just one great nation. And even Kerry did kill some gooks, who wanted to expropriate small shop owners in New York and install some kind of patriot act....

Many communist members of the parliament were critical against the protests. One communist member of the french parliament, Maxime Gremetz (PCF" said yesterday:
»We have to receive Bush with the respect, a leader deserves, who is a descendant of those, who did liberate us«

One communist in Italy said: once they liberated us, now, let's do them a favour and liberate the USA from Bush.
Hasta la victoria siempre in Germany,

Dirk
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:06 PM
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39. "Che Guerra and the Red Chinese"
What time is the mensa meeting?
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:27 PM
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42. Guerra is the Italian word for WAR
Not to be confused with Che Guevara.

"Che Guerra?" translates to "Why war?" I believe the accent was dropped, since "che" without one means "what" and "ch'e" is a shortened form of "perch'e," WHY.

Hope this helps you guys out. I'm feeling especially proud of my Italian ancestry right now. I would have loved to be part of the Italian welcoming committee in Rome myself.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:32 PM
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44. Sorry,
but this face between the word guerra and the word reditto somehow looks familiar to me!

Hasta la victoria siempre,
Dirk
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:46 PM
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45. They are carrying a picture of Che
I'm not totally ignorant.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:51 PM
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47. Yes, that's Che,
but the word is "guerra," not Guevara.

No offense intended.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:54 PM
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48. So Italy must be attacked even before Syria?
Che Guevare was among those, who did TRULY liberate a country, that was a fashist whorehouse for Americans before, a neverending paradise for the Lyndie Englands and Jessica Lynchs of West Virginia. What kind of problem do you have with this?
And many Europeans, who can think for themselves, admire him for this.
I'm one of those evil communists, too.
Dirk
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:31 AM
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54. Maybe not totally.................n/t
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:23 PM
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27. Great Pictures! n/t
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:51 AM
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52. Just amazing photos.
This is what's going to stop this madness. The individual people in that photo, and us here in the US.
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California Democrat Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:59 PM
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59. I think many on Democrat Underground would enjoy this chat room....
Check it out! Many like-minded individuals who are not afraid to speak their mind!

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s=975410a74edd5e4d84aa38b6fc5350ae

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:38 PM
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28. I JUST missed the protests! Shoot.
We flew home, out of Rome this morning -- the city traffic was ALL screwed up because of Bush's visit. Everyone's grumbling. While traveling in Italy, I kept running into American tourists who were truly pissed off at our great leader. I even heard three nicely dressed middle-aged ladies at the next table referring repeatedly to Bush as "the asshole" who's ruining their stay in Rome.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:13 PM
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29. Geez - what did he expect?
a donkey and palms? I guess his "I listen to G-d" message doesn't hold much credibility over there.
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:09 PM
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31. not surprised
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 09:09 PM by Geo55

The devil in the Vatican ? ....I guess a FEW folks would show up
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:27 PM
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32. Why were they all wearing masks?
All the pictures I have seen showed the protesters wearing head socks. Is it that bad in Rome that they need to hide their identity?
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:11 PM
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57. WTFare you talking about?
You are making me laugh
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:49 PM
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34. This picture breaks my heart


A swastika .... on MY flag! I don't blame them for drawing it, but I feel terrible that it's there. :-(


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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:59 PM
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36. Send it strait to Richard Perle!!!
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:28 PM
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43. This picture breaks my heart
Mine also....look what this ass has done
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:49 AM
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51. Wow. That's something.
I never thought I would see the day that this would happen.

And it's all Bush's fault. God, we have got to restore our credibility. This ass is destroying our name.
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 11:34 AM
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55. Rove will just tell Junior the crowds are waving American flags
...just as Wolfie predicted...and they are singing songs about us, just as Perle predicted.

Is it too late for America? We'll know by January, 2005.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:16 PM
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58. wow!
I wish it didn't fit so well.
I'm afraid it belongs there.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:58 PM
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35. Way to go Italy!!!..............The true anti-satan spirit!!!
Rock on!!!
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silverchair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:05 PM
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38. the media really downplayed the protest
wow, i didn't realize how many people were at the protest. bush can't seem to go anywhere these days without people protesting. it is really time for him to get the big boot.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:14 PM
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40. You know this must drive Shrub crazy
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 10:15 PM by Politicub
Even though the media downplayed it.

All of these people -- probably a million of them since this is a Washington times article.

That a huge number of people to demonstrate to protest *'s visit. Dear leader must be crushed!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 10:26 PM
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41. What beautiful pictures!
Some say a million
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:12 AM
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49. Protests were "largely peaceful" because Abu Ghraib tactics weren't used
on the protesters.

The 2001 summit in Genoa was the test case, with CIA/FBI working with Italian security forces to humiliate, beat, and kill citizens that were of no threat to them. And that was BEFORE 9-11.

The CIA then imported the tactics to Iraq.
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hayduke1 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:30 AM
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50. Let's Bring it Here!!!!!
NEXT WEEK!

It's the least we can do!!!!!!
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:03 PM
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60. I wish our people would notice!
The diehard Republicans just don't seem to care about the rest of the world. What other president has seen such heavy protests?
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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:06 PM
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61. Good Job
Give 'em hell! This must be our mission. Everywhere Bush goes, we follow!
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