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11bravo1986 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:46 PM
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Reagan passes away
on abc right now
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:47 PM
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1. Good
It just breaks my heart.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:56 PM
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29. It's sad and I am sure the Republicans will make this into the next
holiday for the nation. Their entire agenda will be " Remember Ronald Reagan" memorial. This will supercede getting UBL. Puke :nopity:
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:58 PM
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36. Not if Nancy has anything to say about it.
I don't think she'll let the repukes politicize his death.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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56. The Republicans do not care what Nancy has to say. Sorry,
but if they can oust a person in the CIA, I really doubt they give two craps about Nancy R. Sad but true.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:04 PM
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46. When Orange County, CA, organized the Memory Walk
for Alzheimer's, they tried to have a special team walking for Reagan. Success - zero.

I guess they liked him as a vigor "cowboy" but did not know what to do with a sick old man; they wished him to disappear from the face of the earth - the way they wish for the many who are sick or poor or old and cannot take care of themselves.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:19 PM
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88. All the news stations
will have this going for days since there's so MUCH to hide about the misadministration. We must keep our eyes on the money and the wires.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:47 PM
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2. Quite a long and agonizing end for him.
I wish his family the best.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:48 PM
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3. It's on ABC News now
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:48 PM
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4. alzheimers sucks
I don't wish it on anyone.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:49 PM
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5. I don't like what this SOB did to America. But he's got a nice family.
I'm especially impressed with Nancy lately.

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:53 PM
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20. Agreed....
Going to be interesting to see if the * try to pay condolences especially since Nancy detests that gang..This will be interesting to say the least.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:50 PM
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6. my condolences to Ron, Patti, Nancy and all his family and friends
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:05 PM
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50. Amen.
What a horrible way to die.

My best wishes are with his family.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:50 PM
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7. let's just let the man rest in peace . . . n/t
.
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:12 PM
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68. his soul will and should burn in hell
he will not and should not rest in peace.

Reagan did so much damage to so many people. He had enormous power as president of the US, and could have used it for good.

But he chose not to. He chose to abuse that power in criminal ways.

His soul will burn in hell for the poor that he refused to help, that he mocked, that he deprived of assistance.

His soul will burn in hell for the people murdered by the right-wing death squads that he set up and funded in Central America.

His soul will burn for the damage his right wing extremist agenda and his right wing minions continue to wreak on this country.

Condolences to his family. But Reagan himself deserves to rot in the darkest pits of hell.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:26 PM
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97. I think that's uncalled for n/t
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:38 PM
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113. why? Do you know what he did in the 8 years he held office?
If not, start educating yourself.

The guy was a criminal and he WILL burn in hell if there is any justice in this world.

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:42 PM
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Let's see the SOB for what he was
You may like manners, but I prefer history.

Reagan funded death squads in Nicaragua, infamously comparing them to the "moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers."

Reagan slashed Federal aid to the needy, turned the mentally ill out of institutions, and built out our shameful prison system and escalated violence on our streets with his "war on drugs."

Reagan eviscerated the regulatory protections that kept corporations at bay, unleashed financial institutions in ways that produced the S&L meltdown, and scourged the environment.

Reagan ushered in the era of merger madness that has downsized so many jobs for the benefit of the rich.

Reagan plunged the nation into massive debt through his irrational, unnecessary military spending.

Reagan facilitated the flowering of Christian right wing politics that spreads intolerance across the land.

Reagan, in the end, was the intestine that produced the shit we know as Bush.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:35 PM
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108. Agreed
Satan incarnated.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:50 PM
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8. May he rest in peace.nt
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:50 PM
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9. My sympathies to the Reagan family
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:50 PM
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10. MSNBC reporting also..n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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Guess this wasn't the October Surprise, then?
Shucks. Now it's up to the terrorists.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:00 PM
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37. , we will hear about this sad day for the next 6 mos and the
Republicans will then say that any criticism against them is to critisize the "GIPPER" I can see it right now. It's PATHETIC. It's sad that he died but I will bet my life savings the Repuclicans are going to try to cash in on this
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:49 PM
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129. Nah, our attention span isn't that long. anyway, there's no more to say.
I mean, the only reason they were able to flog things like, oh, say, the Clinton scandals, or the OJ trials, was because there were all these juicy updates to revive our flagging interest. What are they going to say? "This just in: He's still dead."

we probably WILL be subject to all kinds of disgusting crap like more attempts to push through the Reagan dollar, Reagan on Mount Rushmore...
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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11. MSNBC confirms (nt)
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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13. Just broke on CNN.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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12. My sympathies to his family ...
I know feelings are mixed here in DU, but even as a staunch opponent of Reagan and his party, I think it is always proper to give the dead their due ...

Reagan, for all his faults, was a human being, and I shall not wallow in hatred within my OWN core for reasons of ego and self gratification ....

Fare Well, Dutch, and may you find understanding of WHY a liberal heart is a loving heart ...

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:53 PM
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19. Former President Ronald Reagan has died, The Associated Press reports
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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14. Well, THAT'S another day off with pay for me....
...dead Presidents create single-use federal holidays.

Because he was a person and had family I'm not overjoyed...I'm just looking on the bright side.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:51 PM
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15. CNN breaking: Reagan Dead...
That's it...
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:52 PM
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16. Condolences to his family....
I can't imagine what Nancy has been thru these last years. She is one tough woman.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:57 PM
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32. I'm sure it was very hard
Eased a bit by having help, no doubt. My uncle died last year and he'd had the same disease. I don't think my aunt will ever be the same from the toll it took on her. Even with someone to do the things that she had to do to take care of him, being there with the person you've spent your life with...only he's not really there that's just horrible.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:01 PM
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38. Yes... Even if you can't respect Nancy for any other reason, her
quiet dedication and fortitude in handling these 10 years of hell are admirable. YEs, she had the benefits that very few have, including SS officers to aid with the extensive home health care staff that only wealth (and a Presidential pension) could provide. Nonetheless, the basics of dealing with seeing someone you loved no longer "there," and reverting to helpless child, can not be easy.

She also brought us Ron Jr. and Patty. Ron's a jewel, IMO.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:52 PM
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17. On CNN too. n/t
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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:53 PM
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18. They say, 'if you can't say anything good, just don't say anything'.
n/t


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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:53 PM
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132. Agreed
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:54 PM
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21. Whether we liked or despised his ideas
and I personally despised almost everything he stood for, we owe the man respect as a human being and as a lawfully and legitimately elected President. As progressive and compassionate individuals, let us show the proper respect and decorum.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:54 PM
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22. As I mentioned
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 03:56 PM by FlaGranny
earlier in another thread - he could not have been all bad - he helped raise Ron Jr. I don't know much about Maureen (edit: is it Patti?), but I haven't heard anything bad about her.

My dad had dementia, so I know what the family was going through. It will be sad for them, but also a great relief. I'm glad it's over for them.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:54 PM
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23. The Gipper's gone!
He was fun in the movies. May he rest in peace. Sincere condolences to Nancy and his children.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:54 PM
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24. Condolences to his family
and to those who respected him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:55 PM
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25. They Probably Took Out Feeding Tubes Yesterday
after family had a chance to gather round.

Thank God this didn't happen in October.

Remember Iran Contra.

Get ready to pounce if the Right tries to manipulate this... think of what they did to Paul Wellstone.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:55 PM
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26. Just saw on FOX
Surprisingly I feel pretty bad, though I agreed with nothing he stood for, he was a popular and well-liked man, and he will be missed.
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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78. it is actually a myth that he is popular
The right loves to claim he was well loved and popular. But in fact that is and was a myth.

He was not well loved except among the right wing crazies who are currently running this country.

Think of all of the damage he and his legacy have inflicted on the most vulnerable parts of the US population. Think of all of the damage that he inflicted in Central America, Iraq and Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

He will only be missed by those who have drunk the right wing koolaid or his fellow criminals on the right.

So don't feel bad.

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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:27 PM
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100. The voter turnout was low when Reagan ran both times
and in both cases he won by small margins.
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:30 PM
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Even when he took FORTY-NINE states in 1984?
How is that possible? 49 states sounds like a MANDATE to me. PM me if you must. Peace.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:48 PM
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126. where are you getting your info from?
1984 - wins 49 states, and beats Mondale by 18%

How is that a small margin?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:55 PM
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27. Dupe
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 03:56 PM by Trajan
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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71. Dupe is right
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:55 PM
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28. Rest In Peace Ron
Didn't like his policies at all.

I've known people to die from Alzheimer's and it is heartbreaking.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:56 PM
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30. He was the first president I really knew.
He was president when I turned 4 and during my whole time in elementary school. Condolences to his family.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:57 PM
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31. Best wishes to the Reagan family...
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:57 PM
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33. May he rest in peace.
Even though he was a bad president, he ended up suffering from a disease that I would not wish upon anyone.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:58 PM
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34. RIP
though I didn't agree with his policies, he seemed like a nice guy. bless his family.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 03:58 PM
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35. May He Rest in Peace
and my sympathy to Nancy and his family. Godspeed.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:01 PM
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39. I have not one iota of sympathy for the rat bastard
Before he took office, families were not homeless.

He cut every social net program he could, though, unlike * he had a Dem congress to contend with.

The Great Communicator. Kind of like what we have now. Couldn't string two sentences together without a teleprompter and a week of coaching.

Good bye and good riddance. I have more sympathy for the thousands of peoples lives he fucked up ON PURPOSE while he was still breathing.

I have no sympathy for people that spend their lives hurting others. If it was my own family member, I would say the same thing.

Flush him.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:08 PM
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59. It's sad for anyone to pass away, but remember
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:11 PM by gatlingforme
IRAN/CONTRA, the homeless, and all the others REAGAN did not remember when he was in office. He was a LIAR> and it is sad that he died especially from such a sad illness, I wish the best to his family, but his legacy will be "screw the little people" which is too bad.
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:17 PM
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83. agreed: flush him
perfect. those names of his victims should be carved on his tombstone.

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:02 PM
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40. People who knew him
thought he was a wonderful person.

He & Tip O Neill disagreed on everything, but they liked each other, & after disagreeing, would have a drink together.

I wish we could go back to that time.
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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:02 PM
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41. weird
This morning I was reading Salon and I saw "Reagan's health said to have deteriorated" on the left hand newswire thing. I didn't read the article, but I thought about how much it's going to suck when he dies. The way people worship him is bad enough, but when people die they tend to take on mythical status. Maybe it's because it's unacceptable to speak ill of the dead or something, which I've never quite understood. He's dead. That's probably the first time in anyone's life when that person finally just really doesn't give a shit what people say about him.

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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:03 PM
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42. i liked his movies better then his presidency
n/t
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:03 PM
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43. The world is a slightly better place.
Fuck Reagan.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:03 PM
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44. Good. Now he'll join the thousands of Americans that died of HIV.....
Something he could have done so much to prevent, but alas he ignored.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:04 PM
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45. RIP
I think he was a generally good person. He enabled evil and greed by putting a good face on it, but I don't think he was particularly evil himself. As Ron Jr. said, Reagan crapped bigger ones than George W. Bush.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:04 PM
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47. I wish the Reagan family the best....
throughout this, the time of great sorrow. Mere words cannot alleviate your loss except, in knowing that I extend my sympathy.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:05 PM
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48. Fuck him.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:05 PM
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49. Anyone who has endured Alzheimer's should be able to feel
sympathy for the family, if nothing else.

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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:10 PM
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62. No, your wrong
As someone who has I can tell you that anyone who has endured Alzheimer's should be able to feel relief for the family that he's passed on. It's a horrible thing that causes more pain and grief to the family than the person. I know what they have suffered through and I can tell you that they are no question better off now as is he.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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77. Uh, I'm not quite sure what you disagree with
Since you just basically restated my point...."Obviously, what we have here is a failure to communicate"

Regardless, we are in agreement that Alzheimer's is horrendous and that the families of Alzheimer's patients usually suffer terribly.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:42 PM
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bu$h could have ENcouraged stem cell research, instead of DIScouraging it
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:43 PM by Dinger
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:05 PM
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51. oww, oww, HOT HOT HOT...owww!!
Hear that...that's Ronny roasting in hell.
Not a shed tear for that piece of shit fuck face.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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52. He started the Neocon agenda...
He was a tool. God have mercy on his soul.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:47 PM
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125. Reagan was not a neocon
Reagan's policies were uncaring and brutal, but he was not a neocon.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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53. Good. About time.
Our "loss" is hell's gain
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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54. I PISS on the grave of Ronald Reagan (figuratively, of course)
I would never violate the law or encourge anyone else to do so.

But Reagan was responsible for thousands of death in the USA and abroad due to his neoliberal policies.

May he burn in hell.....(if there were such a place, that is).
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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55. It always bothered me that they named a carrier after him
while he was still living.

Now it's as it should be.

StaggerLee
SK2
USN 1985-1990
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:10 PM
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61. Wait until the peabrained fools
get his face smiling down on all from Mt. Rushmore.
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:17 PM
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84. That would truly suck
Hey! Here's another excuse for me to post the Pretzeldent on Rushmore pic!

Maybe we should name a carrier after Abe Vigoda? He's not dead but lot's of folks think he is.

:D

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kevin881 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:06 PM
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57. I hope it happened far enough away from november, for it to bump BUSH
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:07 PM
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58. My sympathies
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:10 PM by jono
to the Reagan family. And my continued sympathies to the families of victims of the Reagan administration.

Better now than October.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:09 PM
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60. Let the worship begin
Last week someone posted about what the October Surprise would be - I guessed Reagan's death. Now comes the week-long deification.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:53 PM
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133. This is happening way too early to help Bush.
Way too early. It will be forgotten about in 2 weeks.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:10 PM
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63. He died at age 93, the past ten years spent in total unawareness
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM by Marianne
He lived a long life and in his illness he had the best of care as well as his family and wife.

Many of us will die ten years earlier because we do not have the care or the access to the dare that this man did.

He did nothing for us. You know, us "little people" who have worked hard all of our lives, and did not slough off, and still are struggling at the age of seventy to buy food and to buy medicine.


He deserved nothing more than the rest of us who have watched loved ones be put away in nursing homes because they have Alzhiemers'. What great thing did he do that is greater than what any of us has done?


He lived a long life and he did nothing to deserve this special treatment that others in this country do not seem to deserve unless they are wealthy. and that is really sad and that says to me that people in tbis country really need to look out for themselves.


I cannot really pretend to be sorry that someone has died at the age of 93, who had all of the perps to keep alive to that age,when the proles or the paeons do not have the same.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:10 PM
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64. Story broken by AngryMNDemocrat in DU on a now locked thread
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11bravo1986 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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82. actually...
broken by abc
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:24 PM
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96. Thread posted at 4:08 PM, nearly 40 minutes ahead of yours
The poster heard the news flash on the radio. It takes the internet a while to post their stories (not even Reuters had anything on it).

The mod said that he would unlock that thread as soon as he had confirmation. We got confirmation. I am waiting for the mod to keep his/her/it/their word.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:30 PM
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104. DUPE
good eye ;->

maybe that should be thread 2... this is getting pretty big.

:hi:

peace
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11bravo1986 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:37 PM
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110. does it really matter
big ups bpilgrim, thanks for taking my back on this one!

hey the story is that Mr. Reagan passed on, period. Not who posted it first.

Live and let live!

Dem in Florida.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:42 PM
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119. I am holding the mod to his/her word to unlock the thread
that's the underlying issue.
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11bravo1986 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:43 PM
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120. why
its like your pissing in the wind...let it go and move on with life.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:46 PM
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123. Where I come from, if you say you are gonna do something
you are normally expected to keep your word. Midwestern values, ya know!
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11bravo1986 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:52 PM
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131. Indiana
no disrespect but where I come from, reality, there is no such thing as a perfect world. you can't always get what you want, so forget it and move on.

a man has died here, I am a recent convert from the conservative side. I like Reagan more than I disliked him, so lets just mourn for a imperfect man.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:38 PM
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112. I have addressed this
in your post in ATA and also sent a PM to the original poster.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:49 PM
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127. Thank you for the explanation, dolo amber n/t
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:55 PM
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138. You're very welcome
And thank you for understanding. :)
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:12 PM
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65. Rest in Peace (eom)
DTH
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:12 PM
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66. It's a wrap, Ronnie.
The long iris out.

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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:12 PM
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67. His suffering is finally over
May God rest his soul. My prayers and condolences to the Reagan family.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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69. May he rest in peace... shame on some of you
Shame on all those DUers who are cursing him minutes after he passed away. He was President, and he was a human being... he should be accorded the respect that comes with both. Finally, as one who had a family member with Alzheimers, this has not been easy on his family. DUers, you are better than this.
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:21 PM
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91. he deserves absolutely no respect whatsoever
this has nothing to do with alzheimers or his family.

He was an evil man. He was a criminal. He inflicted enormous damage on the most vulnerable people in this country. He wreaked tremendous disaster on poor innocent people in Central American, Iraq and Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

We are currently living with the legacies of his antidemocratic right wing extremist agenda.

While his family can be condoled, he absolutely does deserve to be cursed.

He lost any chance of respect for being a human being over the course of his 8 years as president.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:35 PM
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109. Someone living with the disease
and the family having to deal with it should be separated from what the individual "accomplished" during his life.

A short list of accomplishments:

Iran/Contra: "I don't remember"

Saved those poor medical students, caused numerous deaths, and the medical students asked afterwards "what the hell was that all about?"

Made "B" movies that should have been D- rated.

Had nothing to do with the fall of the Berlin wall. Let's see, spending the nation's resources on the military/industrial complex by the billions, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, and weakening this nations infrastructure caused the communist world to fall.

Just like *, said he would be fiscally responsible. Remember what happened then? It was the same thing that is happening now.

Separate the disease from the person. Shitheads are shitheads, whether they get hit by a bus, or die from a terrible, long, drawn-out disease.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:38 PM
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114. Funny how assholes become saints after they croak. Have you noticed?
:grr:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:55 PM
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137. Like JFK?
Who would have thought back in 1963 that JFK may have been responsible for Marilyn Monroe's apparent suicide, or that he would have nearly gotten us all blown to bits because of a few missiles in Cuba, or had been involved in President Diem's assassination, or that he got our country deeper into the Vietnam muck?

There are no saints, only sinners!

I wonder if Bush will give federal workers a day off for Reagan's passing, perhaps without pay in memory of Reagan's legacy.
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Working Class Hero Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:49 PM
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128. I agree
Come on people. We are better than this. Although we don't agree with the Republican Agenda, he was a human being with a family that loved him. God is the ultimate judge. May he rest in peace. My condolences to his family.

:dem:
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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70. I Forgive Him
I meant to post that this morning when he was still with us. Anyway, the burden of his wrongdoing no longer rests on him. At this moment, he is probably being judged for what he has done. The real burden rests with those of us who are still here.

Can we forgive a man who harmed so many? Many of us forgave Lee Atwater, only because of his deathbed confession(s) and because we learned of his true burdens after he was gone.

But can we forgive Reagan - a man who was unable to make any such confession? That's a hard one. I ain't going to forget. That's for damn sure. Neither is Nelson Mandela. Neither are a LOT of people. But forgiveness? Yes. I pray that he is judged fairly, and I hope he rests in Peace.
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:27 PM
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99. I have mixed feelings about forgiving the man,
but I sure as hell will not FORGET what he had done to this country and to millions of other people around the world.

Nancy, if you have ANY soul left in you, DO NOT let anyone use Ronnie's death to further the neo-con/conservative/fascist agenda. Peace.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:41 PM
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117. I feel the same way
he terrorized millions of us when I was in high school; we were all CONVINCED that that crazy ____ was going to destroy the entire planet in a nuclear holocaust. I don't think I spent a single night during my teenage years not fearing what he might do to us all. I honestly can't say he did anything at all to make the world a better place (the USSR would have failed no matter what). But I have mixed feelings about his passing. My grandfather had Alzheimer's, and the longer one lingers with that disease, the worse it is for the one afflicted and all those around them.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:54 PM
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136. I don't "forgive" him. But I think praying that he's judged fairly
is about the right approach to take. I'm not particularly dancing a jig--Alzheimer's really is horrible, and I think (not that i always adhere to this) gloating over death and suffering is just sort of bad karma in general. I *am* glad he's no longer with us, let's put it that way. I'd be a lot *more* glad if I thought that this were somehow heraldic of the end of an era, of twenty-five years of right-wing backlash, and that we could now start swinging the other way. Ultimately, though, when it comes down to it: he's just another guy who died. As will we all.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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72. Why did his office deny it earlier?
CNN) -- A spokeswoman for former President Ronald Reagan Saturday downplayed news reports that his health is deteriorating.

In a statement, Joanne Drake, Reagan's chief of staff in Los Angeles, said: "He is 93 years old. He has had Alzheimer's disease for 10 years. There are plenty of rumors. When there is something significant to report, I will do so."

According to sources familiar with the situation, the White House has been told Reagan's death could happen in "weeks or months."
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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73. Another Link.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:13 PM
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74. Too bad
i think i'll go cut the grass.


dp
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:15 PM
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75. Sorry anyone has to go that way.
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Kal Belgarion Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:15 PM
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76. RIP, Ronnie
I liked your movies.

My heart goes out to his family during their time of grieving.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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79. Now the repukes
can name even more of the country after Reagan.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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80. No comment.
Dems
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:16 PM
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81. Reagan's Motto "SCREW THE LITTLE PEOPLE"
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:17 PM
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85. compassion and forgiveness, please. RIP
I pray for comfort for those left behind. I buried my Dad yesterday, my heart is with them.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:17 PM
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86. On his political coattails were swept in the Bushies
I said in 1989 that the US would never recover from 8 years of Reagan's policies. Looking at the disaster Reagan's subhuman extension (*) has blighted the US with, we're clearly worse off now than even under Reagan's regime.

Here's hoping Bush doesn't access his black bag and rapture us all to commemorate the passing of a Neo-con icon.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:18 PM
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87. I thought he wasn't suposed to die until mind-October.
And then the issue could be a campaign issue.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:54 PM
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135. they couldn't afford the electricity in California
had to defrost him now.

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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:20 PM
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89. Out of respect for the dead, I'm not saying anything.
Because I can't think of anything good to say.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:20 PM
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90. Tens of Thousands Of People With AIDS Died Due to a Callous White House
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:21 PM by David Zephyr
Tens of thousands Of people with AIDS died due to a callous White House in the 1980's and as a direct result of Ronald Reagan's reluctance to deal courageously with the AIDS epidemic that began under his stewardship of the nation. Further, nearly the entire decade of the 1980's was a lost period of time which allowed the disease to gain a tremendous foothold here in the United States and abroad.

I am sorry that President Reagan has passed and feel sorrow for his family.

I buried a lot of my friends during the time when Reagan was President and when the tone set from his White House was that these people were dying in shame.

This will forever be a major part of the Reagan legacy. There's no escaping it.

Today, his death has brought back a lot of memories of people who would be alive today...had not medical research been delayed for nearly ten years. I grieve for them.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:21 PM
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92. The population of Hell just increased by 1
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:31 PM
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106. Hell will get more people when those that voted for IWR die
"The population of Hell just increased by 1"

If that the theology you are preaching, two can play the same game. How about this: Hell will get more people when those that voted for IWR die?

Thankfully, there is no Hell in Judaism... or Heaven... or even an Afterlife.
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:23 PM
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93. Goodbye President Reagan....
You'll be missed....I supported you....and will miss you in this world. My wife is from Poland, and without you I probably would not have my wonderful family today...

All the best to your wonderful family...
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:24 PM
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94. Excellent timing
it could've happened at a much worse time. Time to breathe a sigh of relief.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:24 PM
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95. At least he didn't invade Iraq after the Beruit bombing
Hey, I'm trying to find something good to say about the guy!
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:27 PM
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98. Better now than October. I won't mourn the jerk.
A mediocre man, actor and a very bad president.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:28 PM
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101. Just in time for Bush. I'm sure he's celebrating the campaign boost
Even Woof Blitzer seems to agree... he's talking about D-day... I'm afraid Bush won. This kind of crybaby "we lost our god" vote is going to play out...
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:37 PM
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111. Bush hasn't won, because REagan didn't die in October--this is too early
for Bush, that is.

---from a feminazi
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:50 PM
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130. Nah, there's going to be a memorial push
Expect a reutterance of all the Reagan themes from Bush. I'll start a money pool on when Bush will declare "Morning in America."

--from a misunderstood 1st Amendment extremist.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:29 PM
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102. It's not about him and human mutability and family loss
But the awful things he set in motion for this country.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:29 PM
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103. May the Good Lord have mercy on his soul.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:30 PM
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105. quote from freerepublic "Why couldn't god take Carter first?"
scum
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:56 PM
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139. For one thing, unlike Ronnie, Carter's actually done some good since
leaving office. But I guess wishing for the death of someone who helps to build homes for poor people is par for the course over in freeperland.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:34 PM
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107. And while they're mourning the death of this man

I hope they stop and think for a moment, and realize that this moment -- this pain -- is the same pain they've inflicted on thousands upon thousands of families throughout the world.

They won't, of course. But they should.


MDN

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:39 PM
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115. Ah. It is finally done.
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 04:57 PM by scarletwoman
I will not mourn his passing, I will mourn instead for the truly egregious damages wrought upon our nation by the rise of the right wing that he abetted.

My condolences to his family, of course. Having recently lost one of my uncles to Alzheimers, I can guess that their grief is no doubt tempered with relief. It is a foul disease, and a bad way to die.

Yes, we will now be beset with much maudlin mythologizing of this man, who was, imho, already in the early stages of that dread disease even as served out the last years of his term as president. Fate has smiled upon us, however, in that Reagan's passing has happened now, rather than closer to the election.

Oh well, interesting times...

sw

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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:39 PM
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116. ......................
...........:evilgrin:
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silverpatronus Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:41 PM
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118. nobody should suffer like that...
alzheimer's is a bitch. for that, i'm glad he's finally gone. he suffered enough. i won't pretend that he was any kind of great man just because he's dead though. my human compassion extends to feeling sympathy for his suffering and his family's grief, and no further.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:43 PM
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121. Unaware of his own shortcomings, he pushed them on us.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:44 PM
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122. my regards to the family but ...
hey we all gotta go sometime Ronnie. Hasta la vista!

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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:47 PM
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124. May he RIP.
He may not have been the best of presidents (understatement), but he was sure genial. My condolences to his family.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:54 PM
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134. RIP
his politics were not to my liking, but his family deserves our condolences.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:57 PM
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140. Locking
Please continue here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x604894

Incidentally, this was the original thread, but due to there being no reports in any verifiable media at that time, it was locked.
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funnymanpants Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 04:57 PM
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141. Reagan killed tens of thousands in Central America
I'm surprised that no one has brought up his butchery in Central America, including funding the terrorist group the contras, and propping up murderous regimes in El Salvador and Guatemala.

A human righs commission came to this conclusion during the Clinton years (after the fighting had more or less stopped). It is not difficult to find irrefutable evidence of the US's support for murder, mainly under Reagan.

Without Reagan's support, tens of thousands would still live.

He might have been a nice guy, but so what? Some of Hitler's henchmen were family men too. I think this official policies far outweigh any personal charm.

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