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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 02:54 AM
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Fires Destroy Archives of Saddam Rule
WASHINGTON -- Fires at the Iraq National Library set as U.S. forces took over Baghdad did not destroy large numbers of rare books and ancient manuscripts as initially feared, U.S. investigators say.

Instead, the fires apparently were aimed at destroying sensitive records about Saddam Hussein's government, said Mary-Jane Deeb, a specialist on the Arab world at the Library of Congress.

Deeb, who headed a three-person team sent to Iraq to check on the library's contents, said it's unclear what information the documents contained.

"All that the librarians would tell us was that (the records) were brought to the library in the late 1980s and were put in the charge of almost 90 people who were not librarians," said Deeb, a native of Egypt who also teaches international politics at American University and has published two mystery novels.

more............

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-iraq-library,0,7502669.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 02:55 AM
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1. Probably all of the paperwork linking Saddam to Reagan.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 02:57 AM
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2. All the receipts from the US sales of chemical and biological weapons
Burned...
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 03:04 AM
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3. Agree with all you...
It would have exposed the BFEE dealings with Saddam.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 03:23 AM
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4. Me too!
How very convenient!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:53 PM
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17. Now isn't that special, precious, and so velly interesting. So Saddam
won't have the records necessary to defend some of his actions nor to incriminate some of those who aided and abetted in some of his crimes.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 03:27 AM
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5. They'll say WMD records
That's what they'll say. The bastards.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 03:35 AM
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6. Chalabi
Achmed and his team were one of the 1st into the city and grabbed a lot of Saddam's documents that were never turned over to BushCo. One can only wonder what those contain. A cousin of Achmed is one of the judges, the main one, to try Saddam. The case won't come up for at least a year. Who knows, Saddam may be dead by then. If not, it will be an Iraqi Court that tries him and we in the US may never know what would have gone on in that trial. I highly doubt that they would allow reporters or cameras in that Court room.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:02 AM
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8. "These Ashes Are PROOF Of His WMD Program & Secret Map To Their Location"
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 05:15 AM
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7. Yar as if I believe it. The ones to do with us are gone.
The others are at the Republicans national headquarters.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:04 AM
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9. PRESIDENT BUSH’S FAMILY LINKS WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION
PRESIDENT BUSH’S FAMILY LINKS
WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION
BY TOP U.S. SPY CATCHER

by
Gordon Thomas


Business links – involving “the mobilisation of trillions of dollars” – by President Bush’s father and his brother Neil, were under investigation by America’s top spy catcher, Paul Redmond, when he resigned.
A well-placed Washington intelligence source said that Redmond quit after a White House meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
They are known as “The Enforcers” – ensuring there is no taint on the reputation of the increasingly embattled President with the failure to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Already, said the Washington source, the two men have ensured Bush distances himself from Tony Blair’s claims that the weapons will be found.
But equally Downing Street will want to stay clear of the allegation that the President’s family were doing business with Saddam from 1989 up to months before the outbreak of the first Gulf War.
In a document obtained by the respected London-based International Currency Review, it was claimed that after a year long investigation, it had uncovered evidence “of the mobilisation of trillions of dollars in 1989-91”.
The document names a number of banks it alleges were “supervised by the Bush Sr White House” in the alleged transactions.
The banks identified in the document include the British Royal Family bankers, Coutts; Morgan Guaranty Trust and Chase Manhattan, New York; Banco Exterior de Espana, Spain; First International Bank of Denver in the United States.
Christopher Story, the publisher of the specialist Currency Review said the documents relating to the Bush family are “taken from a portfolio of papers” which was made available to the Review last July.

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http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?globeintel+138
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:47 AM
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10. Have maintained the reason for the invasion was not oil or strategic bases
but to destroy the paper trail. Anybody remember the truck convoy heading from Baghdad to Russia during very first part of the invasion? Would love to know what Putin has in his possession. Didn't Poppy visit him shortly after the invasion? Would love to know what Putin has in his bank account.

Oil? Strategic bases? Yeah those were nice too,and helped Cheney pay off his Halliburton masters, but just a cover story cuz they knew the WMD was all smoke and mirrors. Needed a believable 'rest of the story' story to stop the speculation from getting dangerous to BFEE.
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:58 AM
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11. was this drug money or wmd money or oil money or what? I'm curious
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:08 AM
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13. I've been haunted by this article for a long time.
Here's a book of his. Thomas has written alot of stuff



The CIA and Its Secret Experiments



with MKULTRA & Germ Warfare.

America’s Great State Secret

by

Gordon Thomas

MINDFIELD

· Sensational never-seen-before documents from inside the White House, CIA and other agencies.

· Reveals the documentary evidence that links US Vice-President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to the cover-up of the death of top CIA scientist, Frank Olson.



· Explains how the CIA financed a ruthless and systematic assault of the human psyche – using a British-born psychiatrist to spearhead the assault.

· Names other world renowned physicians who were involved in the most sinister research programme ever created by any United States government – and its secret partner – the British government.

· Reveals how a woman was programmed to become a CIA assassin.

· Describes how a CIA chemist was murdered by his own colleagues after he had turned to the one man he thought he could trust – a London psychiatrist engaged in similar work.

· Reveals how “expendables” – the CIA generic name for those selected for killing – were secretly murdered after they had been experimented on in Europe.


“Meticulously researched, Mindfield is a deeply disturbing story of hideous government experiments using drugs and behavioural modification. Teaching hospitals on both sides of the Atlantic were used. Many of the doctors who performed those experiments remain in high office today and still conduct those experiments with impunity. Mindfield is a terrifying warning how easy it is for elected governments to sanction secret experiments to control human behaviour. Gordon Thomas has meticulously taken us from incredulity to awareness of the Machiavellian lengths our governments go to in our unsuspecting name. This remarkable book is essential reading for all those in a trusted role to care for people. In every sense it is an outstanding text that reveals the darker side of medicine.”

Professor Anne White
M.C.S.P. Bsc M.D. F.R.C.P.A.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine
Department of Psychiatry
McMaster University, Canada


http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:00 AM
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12. How Convenient!
Why not? Burnt is much more secure than classified.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 11:52 AM
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14. Isn't that convenient
Just in time for the trial, St. Ronnie's links to Saddam (and Bush I) have unfortunately disappeared.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:48 PM
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16. Exactly My First Thought
When i read Kef's title, i thought "How Convenient!". Then i saw your post. Just had to reinforce yours.
The Professor
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:44 PM
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15. BS Alert! A year and a half after the library burns ...
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 01:04 PM by struggle4progress
we're told "Don't worry about the priceless manuscripts. They're all OK!"

<edit:>

Compare with earlier 14 Apr 03 NYT story excerpt:

"Among other buildings afire or still smoldering in eastern Baghdad today were the city hall, the Agriculture Ministry and so thoroughly burned that heat still radiated 50 paces from its front doors the National Library."
http://www.ifla.org/III/announce/iraq1404.html

PICTURES OF DAMAGED LIBRARIES IN IRAQ
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/mela/LibraryPix/LibraryPix.htm

Perhaps I am a bit of a cynic: I see Deeb said much the same thing back in 03 in the
The Library of Congress and the Cultural Property Office of the US Department of State Mission To Baghdad
Report on the National Library and the House
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/mela/LCIraqReportb.html
(but smoke damage in the stacks)

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