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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:47 PM
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Bob Woodward Criticizes Iraq Reporting
NEW YORK -- The news media should have been more skeptical of President Bush's "zeal" to go to war with Iraq and the possibly "skimpy" prewar intelligence Bush used to justify the invasion, journalist Bob Woodward said Wednesday.

Woodward, author of a best-selling account of the 16 months leading to the war, said at a lecture at the Council on Foreign Relations that Bush believed it was his duty to overthrow former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"I believe we have a duty to free people and liberate people," Woodward said Bush told him during interviews for his book "Plan of Attack."

Bush, who began his presidency as an opponent of "nation building," now has a "zeal" to liberate oppressed people across the globe, Woodward said. "He wants his work, his administration, his presidency painted on a large canvas," the journalist said.

In a lesser-reported fact from his book, Woodward said, the White House spied on former U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix, who has said that the justifications for the Iraq war were unfounded.

"One of the things that's gone unnoticed (in `Plan of Attack') is ... national intelligence assets spying on Hans Blix," he said. "And Bush was getting these reports and felt that there was incongruity between what Blix was saying publicly and what he was actually doing. It makes it very clear we were wiretapping Hans Blix."

more......................

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-iraq-woodward,0,3999396.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:51 PM
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1. Does he have a zeal for helping in Sudan?
Or does helping Muslims not count as striking back. After all, "We the Christians" must "strike back with more force and ferocity than they will ever know." Just asking.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:52 PM
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2. Sure...its not his son or daughter, its not his money;
If he would have finished the job in Afghanistan, he would have more easily succeeded in Iraq. Now he has two unfinished tasks.

Let me guess: Bush* never had his homework done on time. In college, he must have paid other students to write his papers.

He's a LOSER!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:53 PM
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3. Way to go Bob!!!..........Staighten out the media, won't you!!!
What do they want to do???

Fall or stand tall????

The fork in the road is there!!!
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:01 PM
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5. And as Yogi Berra said--
When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:58 PM
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4. One of the Kool Kids speaks
Where were in 2000? Where were you during the run-up to the war? It was pretty fuckin' obvious to anyone paying attention that the Bushies were FULL OF SHIT.

It's real easy to come out now and say this, Woody...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:06 PM
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7. He's trying to live down that barfo "Bush at War" book
that helped push up the poll numbers for invading Iraq.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:09 PM
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9. Amen to that! But remember where Woody comes from...
Woodward is ONI--Office of Naval Intelligence. He was the Pentagon's daily White House Briefing Officer during part of Nixon's administration. Haig requested Woodward for the job. Up until that point, Woodward had been a lower ranking naval intelligence officer who had once spent several months as Haig's attache.

At one point, Woodward resigned his commission and took a job as a beat reporter for the Washington Post covering school board meetings and the like. A few weeks later, he just happened upon some dude named "Deep Throat" and the rest is history.

Anyhow, the veterans in the intelligence agencies these days are livid about the lunatics running the asylum. They want Bush out badly. They will do everything they can to bring this administration down. I truly believe that if Shrubby gets re-elected, both he and Cheyney will be indicted. When the spooks want a president out, they always get their man. And Woody is, at heart, a spook. The old rule is "Once ONI, Always ONI."
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:17 PM
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11. interesting history
I didn't know that about ol' Woody...
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:26 PM
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12. That tidbit helped clear the fog for me. Thanks Merlin. nt
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:46 AM
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20. More info on Bobby-boy...all is DEFINITELY not what it appears to be....
<http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html>

Excerpts:

"The staunchly conservative Bob Woodward grew up in Wheaton, Illinois. A good student at Yale, he was ultimately one of fifteen seniors 'tapped' for one of that university's secret societies, Book and Snake, a cut below the more infamous Skull and Bones, but the top of the second-tier fraternities. Woodward had his first journalistic experience working for the Banner, a Yale publication. In his 1965 yearbook he was referred to as a 'Banner mogul.' Havill writes.

Certainly, with the CIA encouraged to recruit on the Yale campus, particularly among history majors and secret societies, it is more than reasonable to assume Bob may have been one of those approached by the agency, or by a military intelligence unit, especially after four years of naval ROTC training. Although it would answer a lot of questions that have been raised about Bob Woodward, at this point one can only speculate as to whether he was offered the chance to become a 'double-wallet guy,' as CIA agents who have two identities are dubbed. It would certainly be understandable if he decided not to adhere to the straight and accepted the submerged patriotic glamour and extra funds that such a relationship would provide. It would also explain the comments of Pulitzer Prize-winning author J. Anthony Lukas, when he wrote in 1989 that Bob Woodward was 'temperamentally secretive, loathe to volunteer information about himself,' or the Washingtonian's remarks in 1987: 'He is secretive about everything.' As Esquire magazine put it, summing up in its 1992 article on Bob, 'What is he hiding?'

The 'Floating Pentagon' Assignment

Three days after graduating from Yale, Woodward was sent by the U.S. Navy to Norfolk, Virginia, where he was commissioned as an ensign by none other than U.S. Senator George Smathers from Florida. Bob's assignment was to a very special ship, called a 'floating Pentagon,' the U.S.S. Wright. The ship was a National Emergency Command Ship-a place where a President and cabinet could preside from in the event of a nuclear war. It had elaborate and sophisticated communications and data processing capabilities. It had a smaller replica of the war room at the Pentagon. It ran under what was called SIOP-Single Integrated Operation Plan. For example, in the event of nuclear war, the Wright was third in line to take full command if the two ahead of it, the Strategic Air Command in Omaha (SAC) and NORAD, were rendered incommunicado. Woodward-straightfacedly-told authors Colodny and Gettlin (Silent Coup) that he guessed he was picked for the ship because he had been a radio ham as a kid.

Aboard the Wright, Woodward had top secret 'crypto' clearance-the same clearance researcher Harold Weisberg found had been assigned to Lee Harvey Oswald when he was himself in the Marines. Such clearance in Woodward's case gave him full access to nearly all classified materials and codes on the ship. Woodward also ran the ship's newspaper. Woodward has insisted that possessing a high security clearance is not necessarily indicative of intelligence work."

....snip...

"The Legacy of Deep Throat

Whatever his background, whatever his connections, one cannot trust what Woodward says as fact. Take, for instance, his account in Veil of his last interview with dying CIA Director William Casey. Havill tracked down Casey's family, friends, hospital security staff and CIA guardians and found that the visit Woodward described was impossible. First of all, Casey was under 24 hour guard by several layers of security: CIA members, hospital security, and Casey's family. And Woodward had already been stopped once while trying to see Casey. According to one of Havill's sources, Woodward was not merely asked to leave, as Woodward reported in his book, but was forcibly shoved into the elevator. And Woodward's story kept shifting. Woodward told a Knight-Ridder reporter that he had gotten in by flashing his press pass. To Larry King, Woodward claimed he just 'walked in.' But even assuming he somehow managed to get by all of that security, Woodward would still have been the only person to claim that Casey had uttered intelligible words in those last hours. The only other person to make such a claim was Robert Gates, who himself became CIA Director. The family, doctor and medical staff said Casey could not make words at this point, only noises. At least Gates questioned whether he might have been imagining he heard words. Woodward has never retracted his 'conversation.' In addition, Woodward once said that Casey sat bolt upright, which would seem highly implausible given his rapidly deteriorating state. Onetime CIA Director Stansfield Turner, a friend of Woodward's since 1966, said Woodward told him he'd walked by Casey's room and Casey had waved to him. Casey's bed was positioned in such a way in the room as to make that impossible too."
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This article was written several years ago, and I've started to lean in the direction that Woodward was indeed ONI instead of CIA. The one fact that still has me believing that Woodward is CIA is the description of the ongoing CIA program known as "Operation Mockingbird": <http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html>

But everything else in this article seems to fit what we've seen and heard from Woodward over the years.

I personally question Woodward's account of the so-called "slam-dunk" quote from George Tenet. It appears that Woodward likes to routinely use what some in the business describe as "literary license". Questions have been raised about virtually everything Woodward has written, but that never stopped his rise within the management structure of the Washington Post.

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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:38 AM
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24. First "evening resignation" Cabinet-level official since October'73
Third clue: Tenet's resignation, which occurred at night, was
the first "evening resignation" of a Cabinet-level official
since October 1973 when Attorney General Elliott
Richardson and his deputy, William Ruckelshaus, resigned
in protest of Richard Nixon's firing of Watergate
special prosecutor Archibald Cox. Many regard this as
the watershed moment when the Nixon administration
was doomed.

The answer to the Saudi peak question will determine
whether Saudi Arabia really can increase production quickly,
as promised. If they can't, then the US economy is going to
suffer bitterly, and it is certain that the Saudi monarchy
will collapse into chaos. Then the nearby US military will
occupy the oilfields and the U.S. will ultimately Balkanize
the country by carving off the oil fields - which occupy only a
small area near the East coast. That U.S. enclave would
then provide sanctuary to the leading members of the
royal family who will have agreed to keep their trillions
invested in Wall Street so the US economy doesn't
collapse.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

(IMHO-The day after the 8 Carriers are in place will be the Day
the World learns of PeakOil.)

A former CIA official told Madsen that between the Plame
leak and the Abu Ghraib torture affair, the Bush administration
is facing something that will be "worse than
Watergate."

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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:06 PM
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6. Amazing
Isn't he a Republican?
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:09 PM
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8. What a joke. Franken had Woodward on last month and didn't ask one
question about Bob 'Whore' Woodward on Larry King just before the Iraq slaughter.
'Not only are there WMD in Iraq, we'll find double the WMD of what the pResident alluded to in his speech. That's the rule not the exception.' (paraphrase, which I personally saw on CNN International, Larry King Live. If you didn't see it than they cut that segment out of the US version.)

Then saw Bob Whore on CSPAN promoting his book. 'Some people won't like my book because it shows 'he' (aWol), is really really tough.'

Now you can say this to casual viewers but to make that statement is a joke. Everyone in the know knows aWol is a complete idiot who got a D+ average, before he became and alcoholic and destroyed his brain cells. What kind of mind does aWol have left? You can clearly see he can't even respond to questions while he's at a podium!
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:12 PM
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10. MWO's WHORE OF THE YEAR™ tries to cover his butt
Nobody has been a BIGGER Bush asskisser than Bob Whoreward and the Whoresington Post.

Sorry Whoreward, you lied too many times. We know what a liar you are and there is NOTHING you can do to get us to believe anything you say. You cried WOLF too many times, Bobby, now suffer the consequences!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:30 PM
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13. Good ole Whoreward!
Trying to sell your book?
Why in the 4377 didn't you say something before?
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agingdem Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:44 PM
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14. Hey, Bob...
Remember that disgusting homage to Bush after 9/11? So, Bob, who the hell are you to chastise the media whores for goose-stepping when, in fact, your nose was so far up Bush's butt you couldn't see daylight?!
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 05:13 AM
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15. Looks like he is trying to ride the public wave to sell books..


Ride that liberal wave asshole. Ride it.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:14 AM
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16. Notice they pay attention NOW, when doing so makes no difference
In a few more months they'll be saying, 'Wow, you know, we really should have turned up the heat about the American casualties and those permanent bases--in fact, we seem to never talk about them at all.'
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:41 AM
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18. Don't worry - they will wake up and become watchdogs during the Kerry
Admin. . .the media will be in full muck-raking mode. . .

"We were so wrong to give GWB a free pass! We must make Kerry pay for our mistakes!"
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:17 AM
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17. "reporting", is that
what they call it. I thought they just stood outside rove's office waiting for their daily handout of spin, lies, and talking points.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:45 AM
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19. Ya mean like the "10 Days in September" or "Bush at War" reporting?
Geez, you'd think Watergate was yesterday. Lots of lies and kiss ass in his last book as well, eventhough he fooled some of you.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:14 AM
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21. I am dumbfounded...........
This man has done more water carrying for this administration that an Iraqi camel. Why do I think of Pontus Pilate (sp.?) as I watch these news media people now?? They can wash their hands constantly in front of the "crowd" but the blood won't come off. And to think they called the rest of us "lunatic fringe" just a couple years ago. Disgusting.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:14 AM
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22. I am dumbfounded...........
This man has done more water carrying for this administration that an Iraqi camel. Why do I think of Pontus Pilate (sp.?) as I watch these news media people now?? They can wash their hands constantly in front of the "crowd" but the blood won't come off. And to think they called the rest of us "lunatic fringe" just a couple years ago. Disgusting.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:24 AM
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23. Hurt that we don't get his method
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 09:26 AM by PATRICK
For Woodward to work he has to get interpreted both ways. The line he is trying to draw so crookedly may be the truth, when he finally has the nerve to come out plainly and say it- in this case when it is convenient and he has lost the love of the neocons and the Rightish GOP anyway.

Curiously he IS a lot like Redford. People appreciate him more when paired effectively with a costar, someone to put his snakelike convolutions in balance and perspective. Charisma as a truthteller? He has none. He sorely needs someone to carry HIS water in that regard, someone like Bernstein.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:13 AM
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25. If you doubt Woodwards intelligence background, check this out.
In a post above I outlined a brief history of Woodward's ONI background. He's turned on Bush because the entire professional intelligence community wants Bush out. And Woodward is part of that community. (This is one moment in history where America's secret government is working for us, rather than against us as it did with JFK.)

Until now, we've never been able to PROVE Woodward was naval intelligence and used to brief Haig's White House (under Nixon).

But check out this link. It's part of an incredible phone interview with Adm Thomas Moorer, CNO, by Robert Getlin. (Transcript is included.) Suspicions confirmed!

(turn your audio volume down before playing this)
http://www.watergate.com/special/thomas_moorer.htm

(To truly understand that Watergate was a coup by the pentagon and intelligence establishment against Nixon, ask yourself this question: Why would a young man who skyrocketed through the ranks of the pentagon to become a White House briefing officer, a protege of Al Haig, suddenly resign his naval officer commission and take a job as a cub reporter with the Washington Post (where, a couple of months later, he "discovered" "Deep Throat" ?)

The facts about Woodward's background make it an absolute no brainer about who Deep Throat is -- despite all the smoke screens.
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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:00 AM
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26. Woodward??? He's a WH Suck-Up Ho!!!
Takes cal-zones for Woody to carp about skeptical reporting when his so-called non-fiction "Bush at War" made W a cross between Churchill and Julius Caeser!

Thnks Woody!!!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:09 PM
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27. Interesting LTTE in the Boston Globe re Woodward
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2004/06/10/tenet_was_hung_out_to_dry_on_dubious_information/

Tenet was hung out to dry on dubious information

GEORGE TENET is being served up as a convenient scapegoat for the Bush administration, and the Globe seems to be facilitating the process by repeatedly reporting that Tenet told President Bush that prewar intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction was a "slam dunk."

The only source of this claim is Bob Woodward's book "Plan of Attack." Has the Globe staff forgotten that Woodward in his book "Veil" about the Iran-Contra scandal claimed to have conducted a long deathbed interview with former CIA director William Casey even though Casey's wife and his doctors insisted he was incoherent at the time?

Every other fact surrounding Tenet and the current Iraq scandal indicates the exact opposite of what Woodward claims. Bucking intense pressure from the Pentagon, the CIA refused to sign off on "evidence" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction that was presented by the Office of Special Plans, an intelligence-gathering unit cobbled together by neocons who insisted that the CIA was not properly assessing the threat posed by Iraq. The OSP had obtained this so- called evidence from Ahmed Chalabi, a man the CIA had discredited years ago.
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