Bomb squad link in Spanish blasts (Gov't tie to Madrid bombing)

[Minstrel Boy]

Remember Operation Gladio and Italy's "strategy of tension"?

Sometimes, more often than I wish it were, "conspiracy theory" is nothing but pattern recognition.

...

Times of London, June 21

Bomb squad link in Spanish blasts
from Edward Owen in Madrid

The man accused of supplying the dynamite used in the al-Qaeda train bombings in Madrid was in possession of the private telephone number of the head of Spain’s Civil Guard bomb squad, it emerged yesterday.

Emilio Suárez Trashorras, who is alleged to have supplied 200kg of dynamite used in the bombs, had obtained the number of Juan Jesús Sánchez Manzano, the head of Tedax.

The revelation has raised fresh concerns in Madrid about links between those held responsible for the March bombings, which killed 190 people, and Spain’s security services, and shortcomings in the police investigation. Señor Suárez Trashorras and two other men implicated in the bombings have already been identified as police informers. Other members of the group had evaded police surveillance, despite concerns within the security services about their activities and evidence of their association with al-Qaeda.

The telephone number of Señor Sánchez Manzano was contained in a Civil Guard dossier handed to Juan del Olmo, the investigating judge, at the National Court in Madrid. The number was written on a piece of paper found in the possession of Carmen Toro, the wife of Señor Suárez Trashorras. Both are in custody accused of supplying dynamite used in the Madrid bombs.

http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html

[mmonk]

1. Isn't that a kicker

[struggle4progress]

2. Another reason Europe doesn't want its own CIA

[oblivious]

3. Remember this staged government terror attack?

There were a couple of DU threads on it.

Macedonia admits staging raid, killing innocents

SKOPJE, Macedonia (AP) -- Macedonian police gunned down seven innocent immigrants, then claimed they were terrorists, in a killing staged to show they were participating in the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism, authorities said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/30/macedonia.terrorism.ap/index.html

Macedonia faked 'militant' raid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/europe/3674533.stm

[maryallen]

4. Well, join the "club:" ...

Everyone seems to be doing it ...

[Dover]

5. Will the REAL terrorists please stand up......

Soooo......terrorizing your own people in order to achieve a particular response is not such a novelty, eh? Hmmmmmmm......

[oblivious]

6. I don't see how a major terror attack could happen without govt knowledge

Small attacks by an individual, ok, but with the massive intel resources worldwide, no way a major attack could happen anywhere without some elements of the country's government helping, or turning a blind eye, or observing and allowing it to happen.

The FBI allowed the 1993 WTC bombing to happen.

THE NEW YORK TIMES

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"
By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to
complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the
Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by
an agent identified as John Anticev.


Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would
like the things out of the New York Office to go to
Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute
Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to
get their butts chewed."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

[Minstrel Boy]

7. Thanks, oblivious. I was reminded of '93, too.

Also Russia in '99. Remember all those apartment buildings blown up by supposed Chechen rebels?

Mikhail Trepashkin, a lawyer representing a victim's family, was arrested in Moscow on a fabricated charge a week before he was to take part in the bombings trial of December 2003. At the trial, he planned to present new evidence linking the FSB to the Moscow blasts.

After Trepashkin's arrest, a Moscow newspaper published his report. He found the landlord of one of the bombed buildings who identified the man who had rented the space. This was not Gochiyayev, but an undercover agent of the FSB who specialized in infiltration of the Chechen groups, and who was killed in a hit-and-run car accident some months after the blasts.

...

On September 14, 1999, Gennady Seleznev, the speaker of the Duma known for his close links with the FSB, announced a terrorist attack on the previous night. But he made a mistake -- instead of referring to the bombings at Kashirskoye Shosse in Moscow, he spoke about a building blown up in Volgodonsk -- three days before it actually happened.

Shortly after the Moscow bombings, a soldier, Pvt. Pinyaev, has discovered sacks marked "sugar" at a military warehouse he was guarding. He took some to sweeten his tea only to discover that the substance was anything but sweet. An investigation ensued establishing that the sacks contained hexogen, the explosive used in the bombings. The story was leaked to the press and led to the FSB's investigation of the "breach of national security" and the transfer of Pvt. Pinyaev.

In March 2002, Nikita Chekulin, the Deputy Director of Moscow Explosives Research Institute, requested asylum in the U.K. He disclosed documents demonstrating that large quantities of hexogen have been illegally transferred from military depots to several front companies, which he suspected were set up by the FSB. An investigation of these transactions initiated by the police has been suppressed by the FSB.

http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/

[oblivious]

8. And in Northern Ireland.

I guess we could go on just about forever listing examples of government involvement in terrorism against its own people.

"Army helped terrorists commit murder"

By Justin Davenport, Crime Correspondent, Evening Standard

15 April 2003

Police and Army officers conspired to murder republicans in Northern Ireland over 10 years, the longest-running criminal inquiry in UK history will conclude this week.

The report by Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens will reveal that a secret army intelligence unit and members of the RUC Special Branch assisted loyalist hitmen to assassinate republicans during the Eighties......

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/4356881?source=Evening%20Standard

[seemslikeadream]

11. I guess that where bush would have cut his teeth

He's learned from the best. Arm both sides and let them kill each other off.

[al bupp]

18. That was certainly the plan

and the MO in the Iran-Iraq war.

[seemslikeadream]

22. Hey al bupp where have you been?

:hi:

[al bupp]

36. I'm around...

... I just don't always post my 2 cents, unless inspired to do so.

Nice photo there, somewhere in Ireland, I'm guessing.

:toast:

[seemslikeadream]

37. check your pm al

[seemslikeadream]

45. Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers

Solas
Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers



There are few albums on the shelves today that would truly make you get up and dance (I don't mean slam dancing to "Groove Nasty," I'm talking real movement). But when you hear the beauteous energy of Solas on "Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers," you just may find yourself doing a jig right in your living room.

A group of five Irish lads and lasses, Solas employs tried traditional techniques for the antique songs, and a cohesive, truly entertaining album emerges. Karan Casey's liquid vocals flow through all the non-instrumentals, not missing a beat whether the song be English or Gaelic. The joy of her lilting soprano is second only to the pleasure of the jigs and reels which will captivate even a listener who has never been much of an Irish music fan.

The cover photo shows the five looking straight into the camera, while a little Solas logo dances below them with rainbow colors spilling off onto their collars. The picture gives one pause before opening the jewel case and reminds you that these are indeed serious artists worthy of mountains of respect.

That respect is quick in coming from the second you hear "The Wind That Shakes The Barley," where the rich vocal tones complement the fiddles as much as the lush poetry about the United Irishmen's 1798 uprising. Try this on for size: "T'was hard the woeful words to frame / T'was worse the tie that bound us / But harder still to bear the shame / Of foreign chains around us."

On "Aililiu na Gamhna," the Gaelic lyrics are in sung and the lyrics are included in the album sleeve with English translations, so you're not listening in the dark. But when you're through listening, you'll probably have understood the idea without the English text.

"Vanished Like The Snow" and "Adieu Lovely Nancy," both ballads featuring Casey's vocal embellishments, are grand in their understatement and the pared down arrangements encourage listening to the poetic renderings. "Vanished," an original song by the band's songwriter Sidney Carter, tells a beautiful tale of women like Helen of Troy and Joan of Arc often lost to the history books.

Reels and jigs and Manx airs take you flying through the rest of album at dizzying speed. The flutes, tin whistle, mandolin, banjo, guitar and acoustic guitars used in such simple beauty at once put an image in my mind of the hills of Ireland and of what real music should be.

There are too many bands that try and fail to play fine music, so catch Solas while you can. It may be a while until you'll put something so glorious on your CD player.

- Stephanie Jo Klein
http://www.kelticnations.com/catalogue/celtic_cds/solas.htm



This week we have the second album by one of the finest young Irish or Celtic groups on the scene, and it reflects the proximity of the two countries. Solás can properly be called an Irish-American group, with members not only from both countries, but members who have lived in both countries. Their new CD is entitled Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers.

Last year, Solás released their dazzling eponymous debut that became one of the most acclaimed Irish music releases of the year. The 27-year old Philadelphia-born, Irish-bred Seamus Egan already had a considerable reputation when he began forming the band less than two years ago. He was a real prodigy, winning the All-Ireland music competition on no less than four different instruments, which no one had previously done. While still in his teens he recorded a debut solo album called Traditional Music of Ireland, and joined the Irish-American band from New York Chanting House, featuring Susan McKeown. In 1995 he created the score for the film The Brothers McMullen, released a pretty New Age-Irish effort called When Juniper Sleeps and even recorded some hip-hop with Living Colour's Vernon Reid.

The other members of Solás are the Irish-born vocalist Karan Casey, whose academic career included classical studies in Dublin and jazz in New York; fiddler Winifred Horan, who also comes from a classical background studying at the New England Conservatory of Music; guitarist John Doyle, also a founding member of Chanting House; and accordionist/keyboard player John Williams, an American-born player who also won All-Ireland competition titles four times.

Together they bring a combination of youthful enthusiasm, stunning instrumental virtuosity, and eclecticism without losing allegiance to the traditions. Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers continues their winning combination of traditional material with imaginative performances that capture all that is great about Irish music, while avoiding the Uillean bagpipes and scratchy fiddles that may turn some Celtic neophyte listeners off.

With Egan being such a multi-instrumentalist, playing pennywhistle, flute, banjo, mandolin, guitar, and the Irish bodhrán drum, Solás brings a lot of interesting sonic textures to bear, within the context of traditional music. But as they did on their last album, they also sneak a little synthesizer in on one track, which traditional groups from the other side of the Atlantic have been doing unapologetically for the past few years.

Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers follows a similar pattern as Solás' first album -- a majority of the material is traditional instrumental, with a variety of jigs and reels, along with one slow air, and six of the thirteen tracks featuring the superb vocals of Karan Casey, leaving many wishing more of the album were vocal.

The CD begins with The Wind That Shakes the Barley, one of the vocals, a traditional song about one of the various Irish political conflicts, in this case, the 1798 United Irishmen's uprising. The piece is a minor key, and the group's little rhythmic twists give the arrangement an occasional Eastern European flavor. The result is typical of Solás' remarkable musicianship. <<>>

The first of the instrumentals is a set of reels -- reels are the Irish tunes in a two-beat time, as opposed the six-beat rhythms of jigs. The three parts are called The Big Reel of Ballyncally, The High Hill, by a contemporary composer, Ed Reavy, and Flash Away the Pressing Gang. The pieces are nicely arranged with the slower reel in the middle, and the ending selection being especially strong. Egan is featured on the banjo prominently. <<>>

As on their debut album, Solás includes one piece sung in Irish. Aliliú Na Gamhna is a pretty song about a herdsman's daughter going about her job of milking the cows. <<>>

A good example of the group's eclecticism comes on another medley of reels, including Paddy Taylor's, McFadden's Handsome Daughter, The Narrowback, Frank's Reel and Esther's Reel. The first reel is given a subtly funky rhythmic approach <<>> before the group takes off into an irresistible Irish whirlwind. <<>>

This album is a sequel to Solás' debut in several ways, including covering some of the same song topics -- subjects that have made for good musical tales over the years. One such topic given a second approach is that of a sly robber. Last time it was The Newry Highwayman, about a kind of Robin Hood character. This album's scoundrel comes on the song, The Maid on the Shore, about a women who attracted the eye of sailors who pulled in their ship, and took her onboard. She plied her trade of singing to and then robbing the unsuspecting sailors. <<>>

Another of the vocal highlights is The Unquiet Grave. The unusual lyrics are about a young man communing with the ghost of his lover at her grave. <<>>

Of the two sets of jigs on this album, the more lively and engaging is a medley of traditional tunes, Tom Busky's, James O'Byrne's, and The Four Posts of the Bed. Again, the musicianship is breathtaking. <<>>

One of the most beautiful songs is a contemporary composition by singer-songwriter Sidney Carter called Vanished Like the Snow, about how often heroic women get written out of the history books. <<>>

The album ends with another traditional song on a topic covered on Solás' first album. Adieu Lovely Nancy is the story of a love affair riven by the young man's travelling exploits. On the last album, he was a soldier off to fight, while his true love offered to help. This time he is a sailor, and there is a similar offer. This time, though, she stays home and dies of a broken heart before the sailor can return. <<>>

Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers, the new second release by the Philadelphia-based Irish-American quintet Solás -- which by the way means "light" in Irish -- is another outstanding effort by arguably the finest young traditional Irish group on the scene. Their combination of appreciation for the traditions, balanced by a certain degree of stylistic adventurousness, and unquestioned virtuosic musicianship makes this album one that the growing number of Celtic music fans will not want to miss. The arrangement of the album with its mix of material ranging from reels to pretty songs, is also outstanding. But I suspect that there will be many who might wish for more of Ms. Casey's beautiful vocals.

This is very much a sequel to their self-titled debut album, with the same producer, Johnny Cunningham who did another outstanding job capturing the group's musicianship, and even some of the same song topics. I also have a similar sonic complaint about this CD as its predecessor -- too much audio compression in the mastering, robbing a lot of the dynamic range and expressiveness of the acoustic instruments.

With groups like Solás around, no one need worry about traditional Irish music dying out.

This is George Graham.
http://georgegraham.com/solas2.html



Vanished Like The Snow
Tell me, where did Helen go?
This is where she had her dwelling
She has vanished like the snow
Where there is no way of telling
This is where she had her dwelling
And the while they come and they go
Where there is no way of telling
She has vanished like the snow

What became of Heloise?
Abelard, he was her lover
Once they lived in Saint-Denis
Where they've gone, I can't discover
Abelard, he was her lover
All the while they come and they go
Where they've gone I can't discover
They have vanished like the snow

Joan came riding from the rain
Everybody knows the story
England burned her in the rain
Theirs the shame and hers the glory
Everybody knows the story
All the while they come and they go
England's shame and France's glory
When she vanished like the snow

Where's the times and where's the places?
That is what I'd like to know
For they gloried in their graces
When they vanished like the snow

Adieu Lovely Nancy
"Adieu, lovely Nancy, for now I must leave you
To the far-off West Indies I'm bound for to steer
But let my long journey be of no trouble to you
For my love, I'll return in the course of a year"

"Talk not of leaving me here, lovely Jimmy
Talk not of leaving me here on the shore
You know very well your long absence will grieve me
As you sail the wild ocean where the wild billows roar

I'll cut off my ringlets all curly and yellow
I'll dress in the coats of a young cabin boy
And when we are out on that dark, rolling ocean
I will always be near you, my pride and my joy"

"Your lily-white hands, they could not handle the cables
Your lily-white feet to the top mast could not go
And the cold winter storms, well, you could not endure them
Stay at home, lovely Nancy, where the the wild winds won't blow"

As Jimmy set a-sailing, lovely Nancy stood a-wailing
The tears from her eyes in great torrents did a-flow
As she stood on the beach, oh her hands she was wringing
Crying, "Oh and alas, will I e'er see you more?"

As Jimmy was a-walking on the quays of Philadelphia
The thoughts of his true love, they filled him with pride
He said, "Nancy, lovely Nancy, if I had you here, love
How happy I'd be for to make you my bride"

So Jimmy wrote a letter to his own lovely Nancy
Saying, "If you have proved constant, well, I will prove true"
Oh but Nancy was dying, for her poor heart was broken
Oh the day that he left her, forever he'd rue

Come all of you young maidens, I pray, take a warning
And don't trust a sailor boy or any of his kind
For first they will court you and then they'll deceive you
For their love, it is tempestuous as the wavering wind

The Wind That Shakes The Barley
I sat within a valley green
I sat me with my true love
My sad heart strove the two between
The old love and the new love
The old for her, the new
That made me think on Ireland dearly
When soft the wind blew down the glen
And it shook the golden barley

'Twas hard the woeful words to frame
'Twas worse the tie that bound us
But harder still to bear the shame
Of foreign chains around us
And so I said, "The mountain glen
I'll seek it morning early
And join the bold United Men
While soft wind shakes the barley"

While sad I kissed away her tears
My fond arms around her flinging
The foeman's shot burst on our ears
From out the wild wood ringing
The bullet pierced my true love's side
In life's young spring so early
And on my breast in blood she died
While soft wind shakes the barley

Then blood for blood without remorse
I've taken to Oulard Hollow
I laid my true love's clay cold corpse
Where I full soon will follow
And 'round her grave I wander here
Now night and morning early
With a breaking heart whene'er I hear
The wind that shakes the barley



Aililiú Na Gamhna
Is iníon d'aoire mé I'm a herdsman's daughter
Féinig gan amhras Sure enough
Do bhíodh ina cónaí Who once lived
Cois taobh na Leamhna Down by the banks of the Laune
Bhí bothán agam féin ann I had a cabin there
Is fuinneog i gceann de A window in the gable
Fad a bhíodh an bainne ag téamh agam While I heated the milk
'Sea ghlaofainn ar na gamhna I called in the calves

Chorus:
Aililiú na gamhna Aililiú the calves
Na gamhna bána The pretty calves
Aililiú na gamhna Aililiú the calves
Na gamhna b'iad a b'fhearr liom I loved them the best
Aililiú na gamhna Aililiú the calves
Na gamhna geala bána The fine pretty calves
Na gamhna maidin shamhraidh Dancing in the meadow
Ag damhsa ar na bánta On a clear summer's morning

Faightear dom cana Get me a can
Is faightear dom bhuarach And get me a ladle
Is faightear dom soitheach Get me a vessel
Ina gcuirfead mo chuid uachtair To take all the cream
Ceolta sí na cruinne bheith The magic music of the world
Á síorchur i m'chluasa Always around me
Ba bhinne liomsa géimneach na mbó But sweeter still the cattle
Ag teacht chun buaile Lowing to the parlor

(Chorus)

Rachaimid ar an aonach Let us go to the fair
Is ceannóimid gamhna And buy us some calves
Is cuirfimid ar féar iad Put them to grass out
Amach ins na gleannta Above in the valleys
Íosfaidh siad an féar They'll eat all the grass
Is barr an aitinn ghallda And the tufts of the strange gorse
Is tiocfaidh siad abhaile chun And come home for the milk
An bhainne i gcóir an tSamhraidh At the start of the summer

(Chorus twice)



The Unquiet Grave
Cold blows the wind upon my true love
Soft falls the gentle rain
I never had but one true love
And in Greenwood she lies slain

I'd lose much for my true love
As any young man may
I'll sit and I'll mourn all on your grave
For twelve months and a day

When the twelfth month and a day had passed
The ghost began to speak
"Who is it that sits all on my grave
And will not let me sleep?"

"'Tis I, 'tis I, thine own true love
That sits all on your grave
I ask of one kiss from your sweet lips
And that is all that I crave"

"My lips, they are as clay, my love
My breath is earthy strong
And if you should kiss my clay-cold lips
Your time, 'twould not be long"

"Look down in the yonder garden fair
Love, where we used to walk
The fairest flower that ever bloomed
Has withered and too the stalk"

"The stalk, it has withered and dried, my love
So will our hearts decay
So make yourself content, my love
'Til death calls you away"



The Maid On The Shore
There was a fair maid and she lived all alone
She lived all alone on the shore
No one could she find for to calm her sweet mind
But to wander alone on the shore, shore, shore
To wander alond on the shore

There was a brave captain who sailed a fine ship
And the weather being steady and fair
"I shall die, I shall die," this dear captain did cry
"If I can't have that maid on the shore, shore, shore
If I can't have that maid on the shore"

After many persuasions they brought her on board
He seated her down on his chair
He invited her down to his cabin below
Farewell to all sorrow and care
Farewell to all sorrow and care

"I'll sing you a song," this fair maid did cry
This captain was weeping for joy
She sang it so sweetly, so soft and completely
She sang the captain and sailors to sleep
Captain and sailors to sleep

She robbed them of jewels, she robbed them of wealth
She robbed them of costly fine fare
The captain's broadsword she used as an oar
She rowed her way back to the shore, shore, shore
She rowed her way back to the shore

Oh the men, they were mad and the men, they were sad
They were deeply sunk down in despair
To see her go away with her booty so gay
The rings and her things and her fine fare
The rings and her things and her fine fare

"Well, don't be so sad and sunk down in despair
And you should have known me before
I sang you to sleep and I robbed you of wealth
Well, again I'm a maid on the shore, shore, shore
Again I'm a maid on the shore"

[qwertyMike]

27. In N Ireland

The security services also LET bombings happen after the IRA had called in warnings, so that civilians would die. They hoped to turn civilian support away from the freedom fighters.

[Swamp Rat]

9. Kick

[uptown ruler]

10. uh huh yep uh huh

not a shocker, backfired on em didnt it...


Spreading The Word
The Irony Curtain Shop

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Monday night kick n/t

[Guaranteed]

13. Why would SPAIN do this?

The Saudis, yeah, of course, but why these guys?

[AlCzervik]

15. The polls were close

going into the election. Aznar's party was up just a little, within the margin of error i think. If this is what we all seem to think it is than someone needs to be frogmarched right into prison.

[Guaranteed]

16. So you think the Socialists did it?

Or was it Aznar, and it backfired on him?

[AlCzervik]

17. The socialists? No way

Aznar and company...yes.

[Eloriel]

39. Right you are: Cui bono?

Of course, in this instance it backfired since Azner&Co. were thrown out, but it was Azner who tried hard to capitalize on the tragedy. Now we know it was more than rank opportunism.

Puts 9-11 (for those who aren't quite into the LIHOP/MIHOP category yet) into a different perspective -- or should.

[Dirk39]

14. A german source reports:

"Elf Personen wurden bisher in Asturien wegen der Anschläge vom 11. März verhaftet, davon sind offenbar fünf Spitzel der Sicherheitskräfte."
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/17658/1.html

Elven persons were arrested till now in relation to the attacks of March, 11. Five of them are evidently spies of the spanish security forces.
Spanish link:
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/06/10/espana/1086876911.html

If only my english would be better, I could report a lot more.
I can only recommend to every american citizen, who has illusions, to study the history of Gladio in Europe.

It seems at least to be evident right now, that two of the people, who obtained the explosives worked for the Guardia Civil.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[seemslikeadream]

20. rough translation

New arrests, new Spitzel

Ralf stretch 15.06.2004 eleven persons were arrested previously in Asturien because of the attacks of the 11 March, are therefrom obvious five Spitzel of the security forces. Whether the investigation sow shot brings from tomorrow clarification over the backgrounds of the attacks, is questionable

The north Spanish region Asturien developed to the center of the ascertainments to the attacks of the 11 March in Madrid (bloody campaign in Spain). At the Monday of yesterday, again two persons in the area were arrested around the city Áviles, that should have transported more than 200 kg of the stolen explosive material (Goma-2 Eco) with lines penances, in little suitcases or knapsacks to Madrid. Next to the 23jährigen Sergio Álvarez Sánchez, also a minor had been arrested, report various newspapers. The name of the youths is not named of the Guardia Civil.






Let the new arrests be fruits of the interrogation of further eight Spaniards out of the area around Áviles, that were arrested in the past week. Altogether are it with which shortly after the 11 March of arrested Ex-Minenarbeiter José Emilio Suárez Trashorras (terrorist hunt in Spanish), now eleven Spaniards are brought that with the robbery and the sale of the explosive material in connection.

Under the arrested, also the woman of the Ex-Minenarbeiters and its brother-in-law Antonio Toro Castro is with Carmen Toro. That had been arrested already shortly after attacks, then however again freely had been let. At the same time also Emilio Llano, overseer in the mine is "Conchita“, out of which the explosive material should come. The group challenges that "Arcillas y Chamotas Asturianas S. L“, to that the operator firm "Caolines de Merillés, S. L“ belongs, further. Let it be impossible to steal a so large quantity Goma-2 unseen out of the mines. Let the quantity that would be consumed in a week be 200 kilograms.

[seemslikeadream]

21. more

He who believes that with the arrests light in that comes darkly the attacks, could be disappointed. The investigation of the question would be necessary, what the security forces of the explosive material and the delivery knew at the attempts: for some time is confessed that both the Ex-Minenarbeiter Suárez Trashorras and the Moroccan contact man were to the Islamisten Spitzel of the national police or the Guardia Civil (Spitzel into Madrider attacks involves).





Yet also the woman of the mine worker and further two further persons who last week were arrested stood in lively contact with the police. The newspaper el Mundo reported, five Spitzel would be involved into the process. The newspaper quoted out of a monitored telephone call between the woman of the mine worker and the chief inspector of the police of Áviles, Manuel García Rodríguez. From that becomes clearly that Carmen Toro believed already on the 11 March, that by them concerned explosive material would be for the massacre used become. "Manolo, I we believe have it verschissen”, said Toro on the 11 March to the chief inspector. That "veteran of the antiterroristischen battle”how el Mundo designates it, had reciprocated: "you can be calmed, go sounds would have known the attacks on the account of the ETA.” that so, as the policeman the details of the explosive material deal.

That the basque underground organization behind the attacks would stick, was the first version of the abgewählten of conservative government, that wanted to obscure therewith shortly before the choices a connection between the attacks and the Spanish participation in the occupation of Iraq, (lying have short legs, also in Spain). At the same time, so documents of the police belay, aimed the ascertainments of the first hours at on islamist fundamentalist culprits.

One asks monitored became himself also, why Suárez, in any case the police or the secret service could have learned also through it of the explosive material deal of the family if the Spitzel had reported that not anyway. Apprehension excites that against the chief inspector no measures were seized. According to its superior, it accommodates further one "normal service“. Possibly García Rodríguez must state before the investigation sow shot. This wants to apply for the republican left Kataloniens (ERC). The ERC, even already victim of secret service operations, finds involved are it "surreal“, the Polizeispitzel into the attacks.

Whether the end shot stepping tomorrow for the first time together however somewhat too days promotes, is questionable. The determining judge Juan del Olmo explained, he would make available no investigation results. The ascertainments would be led specifically "secretly“. Because vorhersehbar would not be, that this measure is canceled in the next months, del Olmo will preserve the confidentiality of the data. This applies not only to recognitions of the national secret service (CNI), but rather also for data, which the police transmitted at the court, the national court, a special court at which del Olmo determines explained. Different parliamentary groups demanded of the new socialistic government to give the documents freely. All what could not be discussed publicly, should be realized by the commission for country secrets. Actual no problem should be the releases, freely gave there even the abgewählte Prime Minister José María Aznar before its departure some secret service documents (Spanish government tries candor and entangles itself further).

Spain applied for meanwhile the extradition Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed (the egyptian) out of Italy. Del Olmo goes out would be therefrom, the beginning last week in Italy arrested the head of the volumes that is responsible for the attacks in Madrid. Its extradition was applied for over an international warrant because the European warrant in Italy did not step previously effective (fears to the European warrant be exceeded). Yet also here doubts are mounted. The Spanish investigators did magic come manipulators new yet again and again out of the hat (terrorist hunt in Spanish) in addition serious ascertainment mistakes, like in the case of the US-lawyer Brandon Mayfield. That was arrested in the USA because its fingerprints should have been found on a paper bag with Sprengzündern in Spain (Spitzel into Madrider attacks involves). Incorrectly, how turned out has. The incomplete impressions became converted falsely assigned that the islam lawyer. After an examination, the impressions of the Algeriers Daoud Ouhnane should be it, after which now with international warrant searched becomes.

[Eloriel]

38. Thank you, Dirk

We appreciate your additions -- and your presence here.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. hey amigo:....

[oblivious]

23. Those pics are right on the money ED.

[Octafish]

24. Pooty-Toot's the same way.

THE APARTMENT BOMBING MYSTERY

By Eric S. Margolis
Feb. 15, 2002

LOS ANGELES - Does any of this sound familiar? In September 1999, four apartment buildings, two in Moscow and two in other Russian cities, were blown up, killing over 300 people, wounding hundreds more. Panic and outrage spread across Russia.

Russian authorities immediately blamed the Chechen. A tiny but fierce Muslim people of the Caucasus, Chechens had battled brutal Russian colonial rule for 250 years, surviving even mass deportation by Stalin to Siberian concentration camps. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Chechens declared independence. Russia forces invaded Chechnya in 1994 and laid it to waste before being driven out two years later by Chechen mujihadin.

In 1999, Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer and point man for Russia's military industrial complex, emerged form the shadows to become prime minister under ailing President Boris Yeltsin. Putin claimed the bombings were the work of Chechen `Islamic terrorists financed by Osama bin Laden,' though he offered no proof.

SNIP...

In late 1999, I wrote that the apartment bombings were a pretext to invade Chechnya and were likely a provocation staged by the Russian security service, FSB(successor to KGB).

The Kremlin kept insisting `Islamic terrorists' did the bombings. A few months later, a wildly popular Putin, whose approval ratings hit 80%, was swept into the presidency of Russia on a wave of patriotic fervor, jingoism, xenophobia, and anti-Muslim hysteria.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bigeye.com/021502.htm

[tlcandie]

26. If there were ever ANY doubt about what is upcoming in October

this should cinch it!!! Snipped from your article Octafish..bold-faced type mine for emphasis:

<snip>
The Kremlin kept insisting `Islamic terrorists' did the bombings. A few months later, a wildly popular Putin, whose approval ratings hit 80%, was swept into the presidency of Russia on a wave of patriotic fervor, jingoism, xenophobia, and anti-Muslim hysteria.

[Barrett808]

28. Jebbie: "The people of SF are an endangered species"

"It looks like the people of San Francisco are an endangered species, which may not be a bad thing. That's probably good news for the country."

People in the room broke into laughter

"Did I just say that out loud?" the governor asked.

http://ajc.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&expire=&urlID=8243099&fb=Y&partnerID=552

[Octafish]

30. Jebthro's probably right. The secondary target I believe would be Motown.

The City of Detroit is almost entirely populated by minorities and the poor. The BFEE makes war on whom, on the whole?

[seemslikeadream]

33. I wonder if any gets tired of me posting this- it's just the truth

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO


Wumpscut
Totmacher

sie ahnten nichts von mir
von meiner wilden gier
doch als du kamst zu mir
da wurde ich ein tier
kein gedanke an danach
als ich dir die knochen brach

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

tot

fuer mein naechstes leben
schoepfe ich neue kraft
ich bin dem toeten ergeben
in der einzelhaft

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot
tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ein dahinsichen
von gottes hand
ich kann dich riechen
und das denken verschwand

tot tot tot tot tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot tot tot tot tot

ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot
ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot

sag mir was du willst
dass du meine sehnsucht stillst
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar


TRANSLATION

Wumpscut - Deadmaker

They didn't expect me
never expected my wild lust
I turned into an animal
No thought about afterwards
When I broke your bones

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Dead

For my next life (life after death in the religious sense)
I get the power I need
I’m a slave to the killing
In solitary confinement

("einzelhaft" (solitary confinment) has become part of the german vocabulary after the terrorist attacks of the Red Army Fraction during the 70's. It's used for people in prison, who are put into complete isolation not just from other people, but from all kinds of information. It's what might be known in the US as "sensual deprivation", a kind of torture-technique to destroy people's self.)

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Wasting away
By God’s hand
I can smell you
And my thought disappeared

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead, dead

I make you dead I make you dead
I make you dead I make you dead

Tell me what you want
That you fill my longing (that you satisfy my desire)
I make you dead for evermore
God’s altar stained from blood so red

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead believe me its true
I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead on God’s altar




we just need the truth

[tlcandie]

34. Octa, lil jebbie's been known to do things such as this more times

than not and then claim fowl because someone quoted him! Reminds me of * and the woman who was put to death...both of them have no compassion at all it seems for anyone outside of their little realm. If someone actually did a psychiatric analysis of these two and/or their other family members it would be a scarey thing IMO!

[Octafish]

29. That's why we need to spread the Truth, tlcandie!

The BFEE fears only one thing -- the Truth. Spread it on DU, person-to-person, on the phone, via fax, e-mail, morse code, smoke signals... It is mightier than their swords, or nukes. When enough people know the Truth, the BFEE won't dare use their weapons.

[Eloriel]

41. And this is what occurs to me

There will come a time in the not too distant future where they'll start staging things here and blame the Left. Well, it's actually begun and in fact it's SOP that agents provocateurs infiltrate protests and so forth. WTO protests in Seattle, Genoa, probably Miami, and probably others were all "seeded" by police or other covert operatives. This serves several purposes:

* Tends to discredit the group(s) protesting in the eyes of the mainstream
* Provides instant rationalization for cracking down on protesters on the spot, ramping up the violence they themselves created
* Discourages people from participating in the future
* Maybe even results in jailing or killing/disabling (temporarily or permanently) some of those participating, hopefully esp. leaders

In any case, what I'm envisioning now is an order of magnitude different from what we've contended with so far -- an escalation of trumped up crimes and violence that will get blamed on the Left, Putin and Azner style.

Things could get really, really ugly.

[glitch]

42. which is why we need to move from protest to general strike

and very serious boycott.

[Octafish]

44. Agree 100%! And while we're o the subject: UNIONIZE!

Otherwise, they'll just sic the Natural Guard on us.

[seemslikeadream]

31. Coincidences - Fallen Angels

FALLEN ANGELS

Fallen Angels
Fallen Angels...

I got a man in the business line
He power hungry
He’s a money mine
Smooth as satin he’s a big time shark
Fallen Angel

I got a brother, oo he mean as sin
He got a brother who’s just like him
Livin’ over in Moscow, two of a kind.
How come the
great power got the junkie mind?

chorus:
Fallen Angels
they never get enough
Fallen Angels oo oo
They got the addictions
Fallen Angels
They litter the skies
Fallen Angels
Doncha wanna turn em around

I got a man in the USA
He runnin' guns with the CIA
He’s the best that being bad can be
Lord he think he do it all for me

What’s it matter if you’re green or red
The yankee dollar or the commie threat when the
real power in the real world gonna
deny it all anyway

chorus
Fallen Angels...

You believe in the system from the top on down
Potential is a beautiful thing
It’s hard to keep believing in the big time
Now you’re sinking in the wind
Star light Star bright
Somebody going down tonight
Told the truth when it was time to lie
Got it right

chorus
Fallen Angels...


Buffy Sainte-Marie


just another Irishman from County Wexford

[Octafish]

43. You know how to make a grown man cry, seemslikeadream.

I'm so glad.

Remember from Santana's third album?

"Taboo"

I lay not sleeping
Don't know what to do
Lay out in waiting
Lord for the noon

Pass so slowly
Time without you
I can't see why
My open eyes can't see

So much to look by
So many things to be
Can't keep looking
In and out of me
She looks at nothing
Someone you all have seen
She never cried
As I watched her leave

Try to help me
Find the change in me
Oh, oh, oh

Try to help me
Find the change in me
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah



It also had "Toussaint L'Overture." That was a bomb record.

[D-Notice]

25. OK

Hands up who said it wasn't "Al-Qaeda", but the Spanish Govt?

One here...

[Jose Diablo]

32. Intellegence agencies

being used for political manipulation of the governed.

Why are we so surprised? It is the nature of kings, and the executive body is a king, to use whatever tools they have to gain and retain power.

Glass of 911 anyone?

[Minstrel Boy]

35. Reminds me of the words of Andreas von Bulow,

9/11 skeptic and former German cabinet minister:

Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.

Von Bulow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html

Crimes? What crimes?

"Whoever wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks, covert operations: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering."

Bulow sounds to me a lot like Sibel Edmonds, who tells us "You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one."
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

[LeftHander]

40. Al-Queda link to a conservative government security agency.....

Hmmmmmm........?

[paritom]

46. Bali, too

Considering the covert involvement of the TNI (military police) in Indonesia in the church bombings and such, it would not amaze me if they had something to do with the Bali bomb.

[Minstrel Boy]

47. John Pilger touches on the Bali bombing

in The New Rulers of the World.

After John Howard exploited the bombing as his own, private 9/11, Australia's military resumed its close relationship with Indonesia's genocidal army, "which has a history of association with and manipulation of extreme Islamicist groups of the kind currently accused as a part of the Bali bombing.

"Few Indonesians believe, and have reason to believe, the official version."