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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 09:52 AM Original message |
Court: No Right to Keep Names From Police |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Doesn't this dircetly conflict with Miranda? |
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Mr.Green93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Your papers, please |
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fdr_hst_fan (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Welcome to |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. You can still be silent if they arrest you. If not, you spill your guts. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I thought Miranda was in effect all the time. n/t |
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hightime (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. There are some exceptions... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
80. Ye, yes, but |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
102. What if telling your name will incriminate you! |
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bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Actually, Miranda only applies during trial |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. Miranda is only required in order to use evidence at a trial. |
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bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. That's pretty much what I got... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. Without reading the article, it just means that states can criminalize |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Would you go to jail for failure to identify? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. If revealing my identity would mean that I'd get convicted of something |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. by not indentifying myself, I'm going to raise suspicions, right? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. If I know they'll be able to identify me, I would stay silent in the first |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. They will hold until they can ID |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. That's their business. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:12 AM Response to Reply #69 |
84. America where they had to charge you with a crime in order to hold you |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. No, it isn't. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Explain it just like that. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Will do. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
81. That's about ten minutes for most of us. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
83. Can you express yourself by your ability to remain silent? |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Miranda only takes effect upon arrest. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. Well, you always have the option of doing as Bushco does.... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Actually do as the Bushies* do: just say "you don't remember!" |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Conservative judges take another giant step |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Aye |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
8. Wow, the Old American Republic really is DEAD, isn't it? |
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benfranklin1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. On life support my friend but the condition is indeed grave. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
9. Failure to identify has always been an arrest able offense |
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leQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. i think that's only when in connection with an investigation |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You would still need probable cause. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. If you believe that then I have some |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Same rules apply. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. It depends on the state. It's already come to many. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You have to have an infraction first |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. No it hasn't. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Prove otherwise |
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orthogonal (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. Sad news ... American Liberty, dead at 227 |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. UnRIP! Liberty. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Actually, it's true age at Death was 224 1/2 years |
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PepSky (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Please |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. I am well aware of the faults and flaws of American Liberty. |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
15. The felonious five never pass up a chance |
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benfranklin1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. You've got that right. |
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Romulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
16. next step - DNA registration |
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RickyRicardo (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
18. Despicable |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. This bodes ill for us.. |
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PepSky (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Bad if they do |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Democrats should point out that it was the right wing (Bush) justices |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. This was always law |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. No , it hasn't always been the law. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. once again please explain |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
24. When stopped by the police, |
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LosinIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. Ver Are Your Papers?? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. only with probable cause. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It SHOULD be....but it isn't |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Actually we used to have sobriety check points. |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Court ruled you can have "safety checks" now which is just |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Safety checks are performed by DPS |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. yes, that would be state police - local PD can join in the cks too |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Not in TX |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Here in Illinois it is. It must be published to do the cks though. |
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steely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. PA Township cops perform "Seat belt" checks. |
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Sunny_Sunshine (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
86. Does this say you must show ID? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
34. I guess I'm being stupid again, but why wouldn't I want to give my name? |
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Geo55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. why wouldn't I want to give my name?" |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Exactly |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. It's obvious from the article. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. someone called police to report arguing between Hiibel and his daughter |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. So what? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Rotten it may be |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Is there evidence of a disturbance? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with all of you. |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Part of the concern is the door it opens |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Hope you don't find yourself in any "unusual circumstances" |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Completely different |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. I'll bet you're one of those people who give |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. You're right...I do give my real phone # and zip code. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Am I to understand that you have no problem being treated like |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
85. Where to start |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. What are you investigating. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. No it isn't. n/t |
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slydemfox (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. If you were a muslim... |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
77. Let's say you are at a protest and a cop stops you and asks you |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. If the FBI wants to bug my phone, they have WAY too much |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. I wish you could get this napi |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
46. Another 5/4 vote. Suprise, suprise! n/t |
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aden_nak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
90. The Supreme Court is Broken. |
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Geo55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
70. For anyone interested in a synopsis... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
72. Even the FREEPERS |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Yes, it seems that way but the reepers have the assurance of carrying |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
74. StormTroopers for corpo-fascist America: |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
75. We should all |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. freedom fighter? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
76. The SCOTUS is passing the Pats ActII piece by piece... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
103. So now all we need to know is |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. The Justice Dept.... John Asscroft! nt |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
82. Identifizierung JETZT! |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
88. Here's Dudley Hiibel's website. |
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shadu (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
97. must you carry and present physical forms of ID? |
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Frangible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. All the justices supporting this were conservative. |
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mare (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
99. I actually don't really get the problem |
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