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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:01 PM
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Schwarzenegger ready to power Bush campaign
WASHINGTON (AFP) - California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is ready to put his muscle and Hollywood savvy behind President George W. Bush's re-election campaign as long as it does not distract him too much from his job. The bodybuilder-turned-actor-turned-Republican governor told the New York Times, in an interview, that he expected to be offered a prominent role at the Republican National Convention late August in New York.

"Whether I'm speaking, I'll leave that up to them," he said. "If they're smart, they'll have me obviously in prime time."

Once the convention is over, however, Schwarzenegger made it clear he would go back to his business of being governor so as not to offend Democratic-friendly California. He said he would have no problem in appearing with Bush when he comes to California, but that outside the state he was off limits.

"If I start flying around and not spending time here, it could backfire big time," he said, adding that Californians elected him to be their full-time governor and that he was not going to risk his standing by devoting himself to national politics.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&ncid=696&e=7&u=/afp/20040624/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_bush
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:02 PM
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1. tangerine-monochrome groping bastard!
there are several other threads on various similar stories from different sources; it's rather revealing about AHNULD
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:04 PM
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2. OH SHIT!!! WE here in the golden state thought we wouldn't have to deal
with this shit. Usually CA is a Dem done deal.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:04 PM
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3. Could he be any more obnoxious?
:puke:
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:26 PM
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6. No.
Harold Meyerson had a column the other week that ripped the stuffing out of Schwarzenegger -- or, as I like to call him, Freiherr von Misthaufen -- and his policies. A college education just became a lot less affordable in California, and it's because Schwarzenegger arranged a deal with university presidents, bypassing the legislature entirely.

And don't get me started on the car tax repeal. Schwarzenegger truly is about selling an image and "got mine" rich boy politics. He is truly odious.

Oh, and I think we should ask Maria where to send the 30 pieces of silver. Nasty little traitor to her uncles' legacy.
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 07:09 PM
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37. I'm REAL PISSED OFF about the college tuition hike.....
I'll have to look that article up and chuckle with delight while someone ripping Schwarzenegger a new asshole....since he makes me want to vomit, I hope Meyerson ripped it through the groper's stomache....
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:04 PM
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4. I really suspect...
That Ahhnold doesn't really like Shrub. And in the end could care less if he got reelected. Wonder what kinda horse trading was involved in that deal?
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:04 PM
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5. This was set up before Enron started screwing Cali.
The gropinator was promised the presidency by dick cheney and ken lay if he would go along with the coup d'etat in Sacramento and deliver the Cali electoral votes to bush*.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:36 PM
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9. Please......
The only way Cali goes to Bush is if they steal it like they stole the governorship, period.
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:40 PM
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11. That's what I'm talking about.
They have the governor in place to steal Cali like Fla in 00.

Stealing 04 is the only way they will win and they have it all set up with BBV and complicit governors.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 01:10 PM
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14. I agree you have a point.
But......there is no way that is gonna happen. It won't even be close enough to steal.....without murder and mayhem occuring.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:19 PM
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20. Whatever the case maybe...I support Californian's 100%!
If it takes murder and mayhem to occurr, then by all means do what you have to do. The time for playing Mr. Nice guy is over. Yall kick some ass. Texas is behind you 100%:kick:
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:10 PM
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17. Right . . .
Did Cheney promise Arnold a constitutional amendment so that the Austrian-born governor could become President? And what makes you think that California would go for Bush? Show me one poll or study that even suggests that that's remotely possible.
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 03:24 PM
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28. It's called election fraud, but anyway
Cali elected ronald raygun, for God's sake, and they elected a sexual predator, so I don't see how you can tout the Cali electorate very highly.
And, for your information, a constitutional amendment allowing non natives to become President has been proposed.
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 07:03 PM
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36. I know that the amendment has been proposed
It's also gotten zero traction.
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:40 PM
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39. Wait til 2005 after the election is stolen.
Plenty of traction then.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:30 PM
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7. Arnie better be careful about associating himself with Smirk
If bushy-boy goes down in flames--and the Plame leak could very well do that to him--Arnie will suffer politically. So, let's hope Groper's front and center!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:32 PM
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8. My suspicions exactly as in my post above...EOM
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:42 PM
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12. Let the Nazi perish in the flames w/ the terrorist occupant of the WH!
:nuke: :evilgrin: :nuke:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 06:50 PM
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34. I second that!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:53 PM
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13. He is a Creature of the Imperial Family, nothing more & nothing less
There is no one else he CAN hitch his wagon to.

He is a Liar and a crook and a thief and a fraud. At best, he is Raygun-stupid and will allow the Busheviks to trun the Empire out of their nation, as Raygun did.

At worst he is a Monster who has never forgooten his lifetime love of Hitler. he just knows (or has been told) that it's Good Marketing and PR Practice to NOT emulate the Nazis if he wants to strengthen and make irrevocable the Totalitarian Government of Imperial Amerika.

Unfortunately, probably in 2017, you will get to find out.

In that future, I am likely no longer around, one way or another, so good luck!
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:16 PM
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19. Do you happen to have a good link
re: Arnold's "lifetime love of Hitler?" I was under the impression that he was a darling of the ADL and other Jewish organizations. Wasn't he just in Israel?
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 04:55 PM
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31. Welcome to DU! I think that comes from a clip in "Pumping Iron,"
Arnold praised the Nazis' eficiency, or organization or something.

And his dad was a Nazi, so for damage control Arnold has given $$$$ to the ADL, and the Skirball Museum in LA, etc. etc.
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 07:02 PM
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35. Thanks for the kind welcome
I'll check it out. I know about Arnold's dad but sins of the father and all that.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 07:14 PM
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38. Well, crime runs in the Bush family. Just sayin', you know.
After all, the Bushes have been in the military-industrial/intelligence complex since the Civil War. :shrug:
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:39 PM
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10. Didn't Bush's friends at Enron completely gut the CA economy?
And didn't Bush's FERC rule that even after all the smoking guns which showed that Enron DELIBERATELY manipulated electricity supplies in CA, the state of California actually OWES ENRON $280M?

If Arnie had any stones whatsoever, he would boycott the convention until this President did California a favor:

"You want my endorsement, Mr. President? Fine. You tell your buddies at Enron and at the FERC to fuck off, and reimburse my taxpayers the $2 billion they stole for them. Otherwise, you can forget about even stepping foot in my state."

-MR
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 01:15 PM
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15. Ummm... you're quoting Gray Davis, our last governor
Gray Davis stood up to Enron and tried like Hell to get price caps (Smirk told him no), and tried to get the money back from Enron. Our Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante as well. The fact that Davis stood up to Smirk - - and humiliated Smirk's chosen candidate, Dick Reardon, knocking him out in the primary - - is why the GOP lanched the recall election.

Der Gropenfueher attended the meetings between Kenny Boy and the Cali GOP when the fix was put in. He is part of the pack of rat b*stards who helped Enron loot the state. He didn't have the support to run against Gray Davis in the regular election, so he lied through his teeth about the state of the California budget and his "plans" for the state and goosestepped his way into Sacremento.

Aaaaaaaanold is only distancing himself from Smirk because he's thinking about his own butt. He needs to keep his bogus "moderate Republican" credentials intact so that he can win a re-election or two, so he can become the Wunderkind of the GOP, the guy who can win the way Reagan did. And the more Aaaaaanold grows in stature out here, the harder the national GOP will push to pass a Constitutional Amendment that will allow naturalized citizens to become President.

Don't laugh. Orrin Hatch has introduced such a bill several times, and every time he does so, he points to Aaaaaanold as an example of why this is necessary.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:23 PM
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21. Evil Ahnuld.....
Ahnuld is alot of things but curious that Lockyer is able to sue those companies under his dicatorial reign, isn't it?

I'm happy about the suit, as I am sure many DUers are

Sorry. I'm a pox on all their houses guy dealing with energy dereg in terms of politico responsibility. Anyone from San Diego could have told you the hell we went through in 1999, two years before full implementation across the state.

Here's a frontline article dealing with the blackouts

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/interviews/davis.html

In it Davis blames FERC(who does share in the responsibility) but this statement is galling

"But did this just sneak up on you? When did you become aware that this was a big problem?

We started focusing on this in earnest late summer and early fall."
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 03:01 PM
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27. The deregulation was passed in 1996. Gray Davis became Governor in 1999.
The fall of 1999, if you want to get technical. Prior to Gray, Pete Wilson - - a Republican - - was in office from 1991 to 1999. To restate the obvious, it was Pete Wilson who ignored San Diego's experience with deregulation. Deregulation was in place before Gray became Governor.

Here's your quote again:

"But did this just sneak up on you? When did you become aware that this was a big problem?

We started focusing on this in earnest late summer and early fall."


Meaning, Davis' team started focusing on it "in earnest" in the late summer of 2000. Davis had been in office less than a year at that point.

Here's more of the quote, immediately after your quote, which explains what "focusing in earnest" meant, and what Davis was up against:

There are two things I can do, and one thing I can't do. I can build more power plants. In the 12 years before us, not a single plant of major consequence was built. I've approved 13 major plants. Eight are under construction as we're talking. ... we've had to ask people to conserve power to help us over the hump. So I've signed $800 million worth of conservation initiatives to get people to save at least 10 percent a month.

The third problem is the price problem, which is entirely in the federal government's jurisdiction. We can't control it, and the federal government has been siding completely with the big energy companies in Texas, and not with the public in California.


As for your aside about Lockyer... gimme a break. If you're so upset about pols not learning the lessons of deregulation, why don't you turn your anger toward Aaanold?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/11/MN20927.DTL

New push to deregulate energy
Schwarzenegger electricity plan fuels fears of another debacle

Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger is preparing a push to deregulate the state's electricity markets -- a move embraced by business leaders and some energy analysts but criticized by many Democrats and consumer advocates as a return to the failed policies that sparked California's energy crisis.

Although the new Republican governor-elect will be consumed at first with tackling the state's budget woes, his advisers say he will push changes next year aimed at lowering energy costs for industry and large power users while encouraging energy firms to build more power plants to help meet rising demand.

The actor-turned-politician made little mention of his plan to reduce state regulation of energy markets during the recall race, devoting his time instead to bashing Gov. Gray Davis for saddling the state with expensive long-term contracts for power. But with many of those contracts set to expire in the next two years, the governor-elect will have to present his solutions or risk facing his own energy crisis.


Aaanold is still pushing deregulation.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=139-06042004
FTCR: Enron Tapes Should Be Nail in Coffin of Schwarzenegger, Assembly Speaker Proposals to Deregulate CA Energy System

SANTA MONICA, Calif., June 4 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Consumer advocates called on California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez to give up deregulation components of their energy proposals in light of the devastating revelations found in recently uncovered taped conversations among Enron employees.

The tapes, which are available at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml provide a curse-laden play-by-play of how energy companies stole millions from California and manipulated the deregulated energy market in the name of profit.

(snip)

FTCR has opposed legislation by Nunez (AB 2006) and a proposal by Schwarzenegger that would each allow big businesses to buy power directly from unregulated power companies. According to FTCR, these proposals, known as "direct access," would balkanize the state's electricity by initially allowing big energy users to buy cheaper unregulated power, while residential and small business consumers pay higher rates for electricity. Once the deregulation scheme was in effect, the energy companies would return to the gouging schemes exposed in the tapes and by various other documents collected during investigations into energy companies' practices during the California energy crisis.


Here's a blast from the past for you about Aaanold's meeting with Kenny Boy:

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/pr/pr003708.php3

Enron E-mails Confirm Schwarzenegger-Ken Lay Meeting
Enron E-Mails Show Arnold Met With Ken Lay During Energy Crisis
Santa Monica, CA -- Internal Enron e-mails confirm that Arnold Schwarzenegger was among a small group of executives who met with Lay at the posh Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel in May of 2001, in the midst of California's energy crisis. View the e-mails. The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, which obtained the e-mails, is calling on Schwarzenegger to acknowledge the meetings and disclose the information that was presented and discussed. The meeting with Enron occurred ten days after rolling blackouts darkened California for two consecutive days; Schwarzenegger has previously said that he does not remember such a meeting.

"You don't meet with America's most well-known corporate crook in the middle of California's biggest financial disaster and not remember," said FTCR's senior consumer advocate Douglas Heller. "Mr. Schwarzenegger should come clean about what happened at that meeting and if he shares Ken Lay's views on energy regulation."

The documents provide a list of invitees to the hastily arranged meeting and a list of those who actually attended. Only eleven of the 45 invitees attended, including Schwarzenegger. The meeting was meant to be an opportunity to gain business community support for Enron's "comprehensive solution" to the energy crisis. In one e-mail, Enron's VP of Public Relations wrote: "We'd like to position this meeting as an insider's conversation of what's going on with the energy situation. This meeting should be for principals only." (emphasis in original)


Here's the emails discussed in the article:
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/rp/rp003709.pdf

Context. It's a beautiful thing.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 03:32 PM
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29. Technically....you have it a bit wrong.....
Davis was elected in 1998. He was inaugarated in Jan of 99. And he was the Lt. Governor before that.

His major power plant initiative...

Quite a few never materialized

http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/projects_since_1976.html

More form the frontline article dealing with Davis and dereg

"No, I didn't take a position on it in 1996. I did oppose eliminating it in 1998 when there was a similar initiative on the ballot, because I think you can't unring the bell. But clearly everyone has to do their part. I'm doing my part, building plants at a record rate, having historic conservation levels."

Those conservation levels are great except that when you conserve to the bone, your baseline becomes so low that you get screwed anytime you go over it.

I missed the boat on Ahnuld and dereg....I didn't know he was pushing that hard. Shame on Nunez.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 01:15 PM
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16. I'm SO happy I left Cali
Things just keep deteriorating there!
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:14 PM
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18. Is it really better
in North Carolina? I mean, at least California is going to go blue.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:27 PM
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22. I'm looking at the big picture..........yes, it is better in Asheville
I was born 65 years ago in Glendale, Calif. and have seen gradual deterioration in the quality of life in all areas. Politically, in Asheville where I live, there is a big progressive movement that is hopefully catching on in other parts of the state. I've been surprised to see how many Californians are retiring here and I'm hopeful that the move toward democracy will spread! NC's governor is a Democrat!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:28 PM
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23. Maybe he can use his old speech:
SCHWARZENEGGER:
"I ADMIRE HITLER"
ABC News:  Schwarzenegger Cites Hitler as Hero
Asked who his heroes are, he answered, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."
He is quoted as saying he wished he could have an experience, "like Hitler in the Nuremberg stadium. And have all those people scream at you and just being total agreement whatever you say."
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:31 PM
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24. Power it with what, Ah-nold? Hydrogen? Your biceps?
Your amazing personal magnetism?

What a jerkoff.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:33 PM
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25. no his tiny little firehose...
n/t
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 02:35 PM
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26. Call Arnold and tell him not to support Bush!
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 04:41 PM
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30. He is awful cocky
He is about to enter the Federal arena. He got a bunch of stuff brought up about his womanizing during the California recall fiasco but now it goes Federal. Big guns are about to come gunning. Ahnold is about to be made a bit more humble.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 05:00 PM
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32. Ahnnould has joined the ranks of the Dead Politicians Walking
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 05:02 PM by rocknation
Those Enron tapes, and the three-cents-on-dollar energy lawsuit has destroyed his credibility. I can see that all the way from New Jersey!

:headbang:
rocknation
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 06:25 PM
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33. LOL! Go Arnie Go. Make life easy fo your next opponent's research dept.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:03 PM
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40. You picked the losing side, you muscle-bound nitwit.
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