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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:42 AM
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CNN: Supreme Court will not rule on Padilla.
Just coming up now.

www.cnn.com

-MR
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genxpundit Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:43 AM
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1. So much for the constitution.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:45 AM
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3. Welcome to DU, genxpundit!
:toast: :hi:
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:46 AM
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6. Welcome to DU. Sad topic for your first post.
I'm reminded of the corrupt judges of the Nazi party during WWII, particularly the ones who conducted the show trials for the coup plotters against Hitler.

Well, the old Constitution lasted 210 years. Not a bad run. All good things must come to an end though I guess.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:29 AM
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31. Nazi "judges" for a weak and slavish and Subjugated Nation
They fit together like hand and glove, I'm afraid.

Amerika is losing it's freedom because Amerika doesn't deserve it anymore.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:38 AM
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36. No truer words words were ever spoken than "Amerika is losing it's
freedom because Amerika doesn't deserve it anymore." The apathetic, the brain-dead, the indifferent, the ignorant, and the clueless have not a clue as to what is in store for them, but whatever it is, it will be richly earned and deserved.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:55 AM
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12. Welcome to DU!
Unfortunately our Constitution is in tatters at the moment. Hopefully, with care and regime change both in the White House and Congress, we will be able to repair it.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:59 AM
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17. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, this is a GOOD thing. . .
The Supreme Court not passing judgment on the case means they are not going to contradict the lower court which ruled that Padilla must be released or have public charges filed and be given unfettered access to attorneys, etc.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:10 AM
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21. I hope you are not mistaken. That would be a big relief.
I guess I was under the impression that it was the opposite.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:41 AM
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39. No, they threw out Padilla's case and told him to start again. eom
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:44 AM
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2. WTF is happening!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:45 AM
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4. What was the lower court decision on Padilla?
Which side sent it to SCOTUS?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:51 AM
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9. Bush lost
2nd Court of Appeals ruled against him and said Padilla had to be released.

Page 5 of PDF

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/padilla/padrums121803opn.pdf
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:46 AM
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5. How can they dodge something this big?
Isn't that what they were put in the constitution for?
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:47 AM
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7. Oh, and I forgot to welcome genxpundit!!
:toast:
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:16 AM
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23. Yeah good question.
I think where there is room to squirm out of harm's way, the court will try to do so. unless they are appointing a favored partisan candidate for president.

But I think this is a good thing in this instance.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:49 AM
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8. The Gitmo decision is good-remember the US argued that Gitmo
Bay was outside of US jurisdiction and the SCOTUS said Gitmo Bay WAS part of the US (leased). Therefore the foreign terrorists are able to have a US trial, overturning lower court decisions. A LOSS for Bush.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:53 AM
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10. This is actually GREAT NEWS!!! Lower court ruled AGAINST Bush!!!
Good God. If the SCOTUS had heard the case and reversed the lower court, I'd be really freaking out right now.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:55 AM
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11. I Think You're Right!
Does the decision of the lower court stand or does it get kicked back for further deliberation?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:56 AM
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14. Exactly
All the panicked people here need to shut up. Here is the lower court ruling:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/padilla/padrums121803opn.pdf

The holding is on Page 48 of the PDF, with a summery on Page 5.

In short, 2nd Appeals beat the hell out of the Administration, so SCOTUS is leaving that stand.

Bush lose.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:34 AM
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35. Well, by ruling the jurisdiction invalid, the 2nd's other findings are
... rendered moot. I'm quite frankly disgusted by the USSC's claim that the Southern District of New York didn't have jurisdiction since that's the court where the warrant was issued and the jurisdiction to which Padilla was first transferred while in custody.

Custodial "shell games" are an old method whereby habeas corpus hearings (and attorney access) are evaded. It seems to me that the USSC's ruling will resurrect this method.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:39 AM
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38. Oh? If Padilla must refile, what value has 2nd Appeals decision?

Justices Decide Padilla Case on Technicality
Lawsuit Challenging Detention Must Be Refiled in Lower Court
Compile From Wire Reports
Monday, June 28, 2004; 11:22 AM


The Supreme Court decided Monday the case of terror suspect Jose Padilla on narrow procedural grounds and ruled a federal court in New York lacks jurisdiction over his case, a decision that does not reach the heart of the dispute.

Justices ruled that a lawsuit filed on behalf of Padilla improperly named Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld instead of the much lower-level military officer in charge of the Navy brig in South Carolina where Padilla has been held for more than two years.

Padilla must refile a lawsuit challenging his detention in a lower court.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11812-2004Jun28.html

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 01:09 PM
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44. Thanks for the link. My blood pressure is back down again.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 02:54 PM
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48. Bump,....for the sake of BP *smile*
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:55 AM
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13. So its a good day for the Constitution!
Nice to see the pendulum swing!
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:00 AM
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19. looks like it might be a bad day for bushie
yeah!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:56 AM
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15. Upholding the lower court's decision is the only way this could have
gone better!

OUTSTANDING NEWS!!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:57 AM
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16. This is good!
They have no right to hold him. They've got to honor the decision of the lower court and release him. A$$croft has lost another one.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:07 AM
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20. I think instead of release....
they might charge him and go forward with prosecution. He may or may not be someone you'd want as your next door neighbor.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:14 AM
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22. Which is the right thing to do.
They should either charge these people with crimes or let them go. Padilla may very well be a dangerous individual, but the DOJ has a responsibility to present evidence linking him to specific criminal behavior.

Even if they charge him, they will probably lose, because as we have seen, A$$croft is the most incompetent AG we've ever had. I have no doubt that many legitimate terrorist threats and criminals are free today because of his incompetence.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:59 AM
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18. This is actually a "good" ruling on Padilla, imho.
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 10:20 AM by TahitiNut
The USSC ruled (procedurally) that the habeas petition was filed in the wrong court. Since it'd be moot if no right to have a habeas hearing existed, it affirms Padilla's rights to such a hearing, imho. I have little doubt that the lower court hears this ... and that such a hearing will be accepted in the South Carolina District.

Yes, it's still disturbing that the Fascist Cabal on the Court (Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas) continue to assert the primacy of "Our Glorious Leader" ... and merely confirms the abysmally deep-seated corruption in a nation that doesn't impeach, convict, tar, feather, and rail-ride these enemies of the People.


Clearly, the USSC could've recognized the New York District Court's proper jurisdiction as the place where the warrant was issued under which Padilla was first taken into custody, and the place to which he was first transferred upon arrest. This hearkens back to the de facto denial of habeas afforded blacks in the South ... where police would move imprisoned blacks from jurisdiction to jurisdiction in order to evade habeas. It smells like a Rehnquist "Jim Crow" tactic to me.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:16 AM
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24. Deosn't the other ruling render Padilla's case moot?
The Court held that enemy combatants could be held without charges but that conditions could be challenged. Does 'Padilla' deal with conditions or due process?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:18 AM
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25. No
2nd Appeals said that there was no ground for Padilla being an enemy combatent.

And "conditions" is bad reporting. What can actually be challenged is the designation of "enemy combatent".
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:28 AM
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29. Thank you
So is this the badly reported article?-

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court delivered a partial victory to the Bush administration in its war on terrorism Monday, ruling narrowly that Congress gave President Bush the power to hold an American citizen without charges or trial, but that the detainee can challenge his treatment in court....

more... http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/1461472p-8863287c.html

Is there any definition now of what grounds are necessary to qualify one as "enemy combatant" beyond Jr's say-so?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:28 AM
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30. Law enforcement has always had the authority to hold a person in custody.
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 10:29 AM by TahitiNut
That's why habeas corpus even exists. A person's right to a prompt trial covers habeas corpus as well as all other stages of due process.


I'm not really surprised at the USSC's rulings in this regard. They're all conservative (it's a conservative profession) and the rightmost are even more autocratic than merely conservative. As autocrats, they're jealous of their own authority -- and have an almost visceral repugnance to anyone saying they don't have jurisdiction coextensive with other branches - with the single slight exception of a 'combat zone' and only during combat itself. So, the USSC likes to keep their "rice bowl" intact, if only to rubber-stamp Der Fuhrer's excesses.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 12:55 PM
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43. Wow- look what Stevens wrote in dissent on Padilla-
11:29 AM | Tom Goldstein Link to this Post
Opinions from the bench

There were an array of opinions from the bench in the detention cases today. By far, the most striking and passionate were those of Justice Scalia concurring in Hamdi and Justice Stevens dissenting in Padilla. Justice Scalia argued forcefully that the government must charge Hamdi with treason in court, and the Great Writ of Habeas Corpus has a vital tradition and could be suspended only by Congress through democratic means. Justice Stevens, using exceptionally strong rhetoric, argued that the detention of Padilla incommunicado amounted to the “tools of a tyrant.”

http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/archive/2004_06_27_SCOTUSblog.cfm#108843857722244435
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:18 AM
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26. The CNN reporter called it as a "repudiation of the bush administration"
1. Against bush on Gitmo
2. Against bush on Hamdi
3. Said Padilla case had been filed in the wrong court

They didn't comment on this, but won't the Hamdi decision be a precident for the Padilla case?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:20 AM
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27. I think Padilla was tossed on a technicality--naming the wrong DoD officia
But, he has a clear right to contest his detention in the courts. The DoJ will probably start trying to pull together a criminal case against him now.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:30 AM
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32. Yeah, but if Hamdi can't be held then surely Padilla can't be held
since he was arrested in the US. I know they kicked the Padilla case on a technicallity, but once it is refiled in the right court, can't the Hamdi ruling be used as a precident?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:39 AM
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37. There's no doubt he's entitled to a court hearing--that issue is settled
Unfortunately, he won't be filing in New York but rather in . . .

South Carolina.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:23 AM
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28. I'm relieved, but an outright repudiation would have been preferable.
So, I wonder, can they now lock people up in otyher circuit court jurisdictions?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:31 AM
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33. From the Judicial Arm of the Coup...unlikely
Now, if we still had a "Supreme Court" like in the old days.

But those days are gone...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:32 AM
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34. Bush Can Hold U.S. Citizens Without Trial
Monday June 28, 2004 3:46 PM
By ANNE GEARAN

The Supreme Court ruled narrowly Monday that Congress gave President Bush the power to hold an American citizen without charges or trial, but said the detainee can challenge his treatment in court.

The 6-3 ruling sided with the administration on an important legal point raised in the war on terrorism. At the same time, it left unanswered other hard questions raised by the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, who has been detained more than two years and who was only recently allowed to see a lawyer.
<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4254413,00.html
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:43 AM
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40. People have alway been allowed to be held without formal charges ...
... for a (procedurally) limited amount of time. (72 hours, I think.) This is what habeas corpus is all about: it's a "put up or shut up" confrontation. The detainee must be produced before a judge and charged ... or released. The procedural limits on the amount of time within which charges must be filed for continued detention are established in order to avoid the judicial necessity for repeated habeas corpus hearings, afaik.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:48 AM
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41. You sound optimistic. I haven't read the decision ...
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 10:50 AM by struggle4progress
... but I'd bet it's a balancing act, where the court grants the President authority to hold "enemy combatants" without trial, while granting detainees access to the courts to challenge "enemy combatant" status. I think we just lost the right to a trial in this country.

<edit:> " O'Connor said that Hamdi 'unquestionably has the right to access to counsel.' "
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 01:41 PM
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45. Well, I'm reading the three decisions now.
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 01:44 PM by TahitiNut
These are unusually fragmented (in terms of concurrence, dissent, and varied reasoning) decisions. The abuses of the Executive Branch, however, seem clear and recognized. The difficulty seems to lie in a combination of venue, original cause of action, the elements of the lower court decision being appealed, and the varying views of the Justices on the primacy of legal principle or procedure as the basis for deciding.

What's not yet addressed, as far as I can see, either by an appellant, a respondant, or by the Court, is the deliberately psycho-ephemeral nature of "enemy combatant." In a conventional sense, an "enemy combatant" is not presumably a criminal, but a human being legitimately subjected to detention, not punishment. That detention is only to occur until the "state of war" is ended. The abuse, in this instance, stems from the fact that the very definition of "state of war" is intentionally amphibologous. The Busholini madministration, in its Orwellian delusion, persists in claiming a virtually endless "war on terror." Under this misapprehension, an "enemy combatant" would be detained (not penalized, of course) indefinitely.

This is appalling and is the most obvious demonstration of the imperial/totalitarian inclination of this madministration I can point to. It, in effect, wages "war" on the "rule of law" itself, attempting to rend the fabric of law asunder with the international laws and conventions applicable to conventional wars but hijacked in a specious misapplication of military force against transnational criminality.

In essence, the Busholini madministration is attempting to create a monstrous admixture of war powers and criminal punishment, evading both the courts and the legislatures. This obscene hodgepodge of rationalizations betrays an appetite for autocracy far beyond anything in our nation's history.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 01:52 PM
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47. Hmmm, while I am wading through these windy opinions,....
,...and will have to take some time to chew, swallow and digest *LOL*,...

What I am capturing is a huge SLAP at this administration.

*giggle*

Yes, those big SLAPS are somewhat buried in the exhaustive legalese wind-storms,...BUT,...they are ever so present.

Aren't you getting those butt-whipping holdings? :shrug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:59 PM
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49. Well, some of the issue are addressed ...
.... and the madministration is losing in the Court.

By far the largest issue, however, is the constant claim by this madministration to all the extra-judicial powers of war and all the punitive powers of the prison system and then some (torture, murder, rape).

The fact of the matter is that this madministration started two wars: one in Afghanistan and one in Iraq. Those wars were over as soon as the governments of those countries ceased to exist and the occupation began. Under all the laws of warfare, "enemy combatants" are to be released at that time and repatriated. "Enemy combatants" are not criminals! In order to even designate a detained American citizen as an "enemy combatant," that citizen must be charged, tried, and convicted of treason.

This madministration is inarguably committing war crimes under the cloak of an authoritarian regime.

The USSC (fascist three+two), however, is narrowly tailoring their decisions on solely those issues specifically appealed and only when all procedural elements are rigorously compliant, even to the degree those procedural issues are irrelevant. This is the same kind of "judicial constraint" the courts practiced in Germany in the 30's.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:49 AM
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42. SCOTUS Syllabus for Rumsfeld v. Padilla
From the SCOTUS site (go to the Rumsfeld v. Padilla pdf link):

Note: I tried to clean up the formatting, but copying from a pdf is a real mess.

(Slip Opinion)OCTOBER TERM,2003 1
Syllabus
NOTE:Where it is feasible,a syllabus (headnote)will be released,as is being done in connection with this case,at the time the opinion is issued.
The syllabus constitutes no part of the opinion of the Court but has been prepared by the Reporter of Decisions for the convenience of the reader.
See United States v.Detroit Timber &Lumber Co .,200 U.S.321,337.
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
RUMSFELD,SECRETARY OF DEFENSE v.PADILLA ET AL.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
No.03--1027. Argued April 28, 2004--Decided June 28, 2004

Respondent Padilla, a United States citizen, was brought to New York for detention in federal criminal custody after federal agents apprehended him while executing a material witness warrant issued by the District Court for the Southern District of New York (Southern District) in connection with its grand jury investigation into the September 11, 2001, al Qaeda terrorist attacks. While his motion to vacate the warrant was pending, the President issued an order to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld designating Padilla an "enemy combatant" and
directing that he be detained in military custody. Padilla was later moved to a Navy brig in Charleston,S.C.,where he has been held ever since. His counsel then filed in the Southern District a habeas petition under 28 U.S.C. §2241, which, as amended,alleged that Padilla ?s military detention violates the Constitution, and named as
respondents the President, the Secretary, and Melanie Marr, the brig ? s commander. The Government moved to dismiss, arguing, inter alia, that Commander Marr, as Padilla ?s immediate custodian, was the only proper respondent, and that the District Court lacked jurisdiction over her because she is located outside the Southern District. That court held that the Secretary ?s personal involvement in Padilla ?s military custody rendered him a proper respondent, and that it could assert jurisdiction over the Secretary under New York ?s long-arm statute, notwithstanding his absence from the District. On the merits, the court accepted the Government ?s contention that the President has authority as Commander in Chief to detain as enemy combatants citizens captured on American soil during a time of war. The Second Circuit agreed that the Secretary was a proper respondent and that the Southern District had jurisdiction over the Secretary under New York ?s long-arm statute. The appeals court reversed on the merits, however,holding that the President lacks authority to detain Padilla militarily.
Held:
1.Because this Court answers the jurisdictional question in the negative, it does not reach the question whether the President has authority to detain Padilla militarily.P.1.
2.The Southern District lacks jurisdiction over Padilla ?s habeas petition.Pp.5--23.
(a)Commander Marr is the only proper respondent to Padilla ?s petition because she, not Secretary Rumsfeld, is Padilla ?s custodian.
The federal habeas statute straightforwardly provides that the proper respondent is "the person" having custody over the petitioner. §§2242,§2243. Its consistent use of the definite article indicates that there is generally only one proper respondent, and the custodian is "the person" with the ability to produce the prisoner ?s body before the habeas court, see Wales v.Whitney, 114 U.S.564,574. In accord with the statutory language and Wales ? immediate custodian rule, long-standing federal-court practice confirms that, in "core" habeas challenges to present physical confinement, the default rule is that the proper respondent is the warden of the facility where the prisoner is being held, not the Attorney General or some other remote supervisory official. No exceptions to this rule, either recognized or proposed, apply here. Padilla does not deny the immediate custodian rule ?s general applicability, but argues that the rule is flexible and should not apply on the unique facts of this case. The Court disagrees. That the Court ?s understanding of custody has broadened over the years to include restraints short of physical confinement does nothing to undermine the rationale or statutory foundation of
the Wales rule where, in core proceedings such as the present, physical custody is at issue. Indeed,that rule has consistently been applied in this core context. The Second Circuit erred in taking the view that this Court has relaxed the immediate custodian rule with respect to prisoners detained for other than federal criminal violations, and in holding that the proper respondent is the person exercising the "legal reality of control" over the petitioner. The statute itself makes no such distinction, nor does the Court ?s case law support a deviation from the immediate custodian rule here. Rather, the cases Padilla cites stand for the simple proposition that the immediate physical custodian rule, by its terms, does not apply when a habeas petitioner challenges something other than his present physical confinement. See, e.g., Braden v.30th Judicial Circuit Court of Ky., 410 U.S.484; Strait v.Laird, 406 U.S.341. That is not the case here: Marr exercises day-to-day control over Padilla ?s physical custody. The petitioner cannot name someone else just because Padilla ?s physical confinement stems from a military order by the President. Identification of the party exercising legal control over the detainee only comes into play when there is no immediate physical custodian. Ex parte Endo ,323 U.S.283,304--305, distinguished. Although Padilla ?s detention is unique in many respects, it is at bottom a simple challenge to physical custody imposed by the Executive. His detention is thus not unique in any way that would provide arguable basis
for a departure from the immediate custodian rule.Pp.5--13.
(b)The Southern District does not have jurisdiction over Commander Marr. Section §2241(a)?s language limiting district courts to granting habeas relief "within their respective jurisdictions" requires "that the court issuing the writ have jurisdiction over the custodian," Braden,supra, at 495. Because Congress added the "respective jurisdictions" clause to prevent judges anywhere from issuing the Great Writ on behalf of applicants far distantly removed, Carbo v.United States, 364 U.S.611,617, the traditional rule has always been that habeas relief is issuable only in the district of confinement, id., at 618. This commonsense reading is supported by other portions of the habeas statute, e.g., §2242, and by Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 22(a). Congress has also legislated against the background of the "district of confinement" rule by fashioning explicit exceptions: E.g., when a petitioner is serving a state criminal sentence in a State containing more than one federal district, "the district ... wherein is in custody" and "the district ... within which the State court was held which convicted and sentenced him" have "concurrent jurisdiction," §2241(d). Such exceptions would have been unnecessary if, as the Second Circuit believed, §2241 permits a prisoner to file outside the district of confinement. Despite this ample statutory and historical pedigree, Padilla urges that, under Braden and Strait, jurisdiction lies in any district in which the respondent is amenable to service of process. The Court disagrees, distinguishing those two
cases. Padilla seeks to challenge his present physical custody in South Carolina. Because the immediate-custodian rule applies, the proper respondent is Commander Marr, who is present in South Carolina. There is thus no occasion to designate a "nominal" custodian and determine whether he or she is "present" in the same district as petitioner. The habeas statute ?s "respective jurisdictions" proviso forms an important corollary to the immediate custodian rule in challenges to present physical custody under §2241. Together they compose a simple rule that has been consistently applied in the lower courts,including in the context of military detentions: Whenever a §2241 habeas petitioner seeks to challenge his present physical custody within the United States, he should name his warden as respondent and file the petition in the district of confinement. This rule serves the important purpose of preventing forum shopping by habeas petitioners. The District of South Carolina, not the Southern District of New York, was where Padilla should have brought his habeas petition. Pp. 13--19.
(c)The Court rejects additional arguments made by the dissent in support of the mistaken view that exceptions exist to the immediate custodian and district of confinement rules whenever exceptional, special,or unusual cases arise. Pp. 19--23.

352 F.3d 695, reversed and remanded.

REHNQUIST, C.J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which O ?CONNOR, SCALIA, KENNEDY, and THOMAS, JJ., joined. KENNEDY, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which O ?CONNOR, J., joined. STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 01:43 PM
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46. subject is misleading
They did rule on Padilla. They kicked it on jurisdictional ground.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 04:24 PM
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50. Don't take my word for it - I'm just a lawyer. NON-DECISION!
This was a non-decision people. It doesn't affirm Padilla's right to habeas at all. It just said that IF there is such a right, and we're not saying there is, it was filed in the wrong court. Although it's pretty clear from the other decisions handed down today that they WOULD rule in Padilla's favor (and in the Constitution's favor!).

So Padilla has to go back now and re-file in the proper jurisdiction. Then, after it is ruled on by the lower court -- the District Court -- it goes to the Court of Appeals, before it ever gets back to the Supremes. Could be a couple of years or more.

The Supremes, in defense, seldom reach a constitutional issue if there are procedural irregularities, for the simple reason that doing otherwise might cloud the issue on procedure. To get to the constitutional issues, you've got to cross all the procedural t's and dot all the i's. This is not a "there goes the constitution" situation, nor is it a victory for anybody -- on either side. It's a non-decision.

Bake, Esq.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:44 PM
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51. Thanks for the affirmation, Bake, Esq.
Your judgment confirms my interpretation.

All of the SCOTUS decisions, today, rein in this administration (nws the skirting away from political hot spots during politically challenging times).

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:56 PM
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52. thanks, dbaker41.
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