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PfcHammer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 07:56 PM Original message |
Study: Rich and poor skip immunizations |
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Don_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I Do Whenever Possible |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. It may be Darwin in action |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Some considerations for you. |
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Egalitarian (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Nice response. Thanks (nt) |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thank YOU. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Question |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. My reasons are more complex than that. |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Read again why there is virtually no polio in the US |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Thanks for implying that I am stupid and that my child will suffer |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. OK, if it wasn't vaccinations that got rid of polio, what was it? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I never claimed that polio wasn't effected by vaccination. |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yes, diseases came and went before vaccination |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. You continue to ask insulting questions. |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'll take immunizations with years of success over known diseases |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Has your child had the flu vaccine? |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It depends |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. So one should wait for instructions from the Government before taking |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Surely no government agency would ever lie or let us down. n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Surely not! Surely money never takes precedence over human life! |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The vaccines ARE the precautions |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. This is where we disagree. |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. sure am glad that you think Dick Armey did the right thing |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Increasing vaccinations could be linked to lowered immunity |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Thanks for your kind words. |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. You know, the drug/vax industry has the best propoganda machine... |
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kimchi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
71. Bullhockey. |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. to put a finer point on it, all polio since has been caused by the vaccine |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I thought so, but couldn't find the information when searching. |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. You're welcome! n/t |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
54. Mmzmolly, |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Thank you kindly for being supportive though you yourself have made |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
66. that simply doesn't mean |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Who said it did? Also given the vaccine coverage levels were at about 55% |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
79. You might want to be a bit careful here, MzMolly, on polio |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I agree. Many people who had contracted the polio virus, were unaware |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. You can look for the books; I'd be happy to pull together |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It's also linked to other cancers that are on the rise. |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Be careful of drawing causal conclusions from that sort |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. I haven't drawn conclusions, but I think think finding an obscure animal |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Yes, of course, I'd like to know... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I agree, off to life. |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Yes, anyway, I'll do a little digging. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. This book is fairly new, but I welcome any information on the subject. |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
46. ending the use of DDT |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 07:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
50. The entire Dutch population is stupid then.....nobody wears helmets |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. Shouldn't we always trust the gov't & pharmaceutical companies? |
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kimchi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
70. I don't think you are stupid. |
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trixie (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
75. I agree.. |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. I admire you for speaking out.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Thank you demgurl. I respect your informed decision on vaccination |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I feel sorry for parents who don't have a choice |
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put out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Some children become extremely ill |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I've never done it! |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. an ex-boyfriend |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Exactly, I hear Japan is paying the price for vaccination against |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. Yes exactly, there are some serious concerns about varicella vaccine |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. I have a large permanent irregular scar on my face |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's the cost of promised post-shot ice cream treats that's prohibitive... |
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Don_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-04 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. They're VERY Painful To Me |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
17. For what it's worth. CDC Link on the effects of not vaccinating |
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drmom (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. As a pediatrician, |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. So the goal is to save lives, but you reject children who are not |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
57. As an Attorney |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I find many of your comments questionable. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
96. By LEGAL Definition |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I was aware of most of the information you provided, but others |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. You are offering anthrax vaccine to children? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. she didn't say that |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Well, you'd NEVER see me asking for such a vaccine, and I doubt |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Where is she seeing this? This is totally contrary to my experiences |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 07:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
48. Darwin theory holds well? LOL |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You tell 'em.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
65. I couldnt agree more! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
107. perhaps you're misunderstanding Darwin... |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. maybe I'm not |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. ah, no "perhaps" about it, I'm afraid... |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #120 |
128. history is regularly rewritten |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 07:27 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. behavioral traits play an important role in determining fitness |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. my original point |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. my point is WAY more modest than that! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Darwin and the eugenical misunderstanding |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 07:12 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. wow, guess I should ask for my money back |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. You just don't know where to start with it, do you? |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. "CANNOT be an attribute of individuals"--YES |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. My pleasure. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #133 |
139. The strict Darwin Awards are meant for people |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. One might also consider this website which has some info on the cost of |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Learning the risk factors for any medicine is something everyone should do |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Thanks Solly for your respectful and reasoned reply. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You're welcome |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Very little info about "cost" of immunization on that site |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Where is my hysteria? |
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Corgigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
49. for others |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
52. Related news from the UK |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:14 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. This "freeloading" argument is what led me to make the decision |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Good for you! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Freeloading? I'll add that to the list of unflattering comments thanks. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. And yet see what happens when vaccination becomes uncommon |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Actually even your article demonstrates that the pertussis vaccine may |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I don't want to insult you |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Your acknowledging only one side of the story. |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. pertusssis vaccine has always had a high failure rate n/t |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. I've actually HAD pertussis, in spite of vaccination... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Are you certain all 25 of the kids in your class were vaccinated? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. well, it's a good bet they'd been immunized... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Depends on the year. In the 80's the compliance rate was at around |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Yes absolutely, like say... rotavirus! Look at what happened there- |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Interesting; here's an update on that story |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. A lawsuit John Edwards might take on.... |
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bonzogeorge (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. choice |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. despite your prejudices and ignorance |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You are not discussing the process for drug approval. The OP |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. the other poster was quite explicitly describing drug approval |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Dont tell me what I advocate. I advocate real science not science |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. your posts are profoundly anti-scientific |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I suggest that I have provided "real science." |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. your response is indicative of your reasoning throughout this thread |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Talk about a tree falling in the forest with no one there to hear it. |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. my point is that you're taking an non-scientific approach |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Stop claiming this is my conclusion: |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. really, no one is tracking the risks? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Believe me I'm familar with the IOM |
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javadu (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #83 |
124. This Seems Somewhat Naive |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 07:18 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. it's not really clear to me what the business and politics |
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Corgigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. try this: |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #124 |
132. Actually there is much information as to *how* vaccines do harm. |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. You can add "Doesn't understand denominators" to the list... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. How bout the "doesn't care if vaccines take more lives than they spare |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Well, you're poisoning the well, you see, by |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. But the enormous pool is necessary for vaccines to be effective. |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. And the enormous pool is also necessary for the rare side-effects |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. My question is simple. How many children are dying from vaccination |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Yes, I realized what your question was, and the answer, |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. The reason it's difficult to track is because ??? |
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SW FL Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
121. Here in FL and in CA, you can't get your kid into school without them |
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Snow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Those may not work as well in theory as in practice... |
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SW FL Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-07-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. My only experience in FL was a series of notes starting in |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 03:20 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Thats pretty typical |
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Kiliki (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-04 03:18 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Not true- |
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