No Proof Bush Completed Military Service - Thread 2

[NNN0LHI]

Hi mods. This is a duplicate of the thread with 165 posts. Those with dial up connections will take a while to load. Plus the liberal media seems to be ignoring this story so if it is OK I am posting this continuation of the other thread. If it is not OK please lock, move to GD, or just remove it. Its your guys call. Don't mean to be spamming here. This is just a good story. Thanks.

Don

http://www.wbex.com/script/headline_newsmanager.php?id=327365&pagecontent=nationalnews&feed_id=59

Payroll records that could help prove President Bush completed all his military service in the Texas Air National Guard have been accidently destroyed. snip

No paper copies could be found, it added in notices dated June 25. snip

The destroyed records cover three months in 1972 and 1973 when Bush's claims of service in Alabama have been repeatedly questioned.

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First thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=674181&mesg_id=674181

[NMDemDist2]

1. could you add a link to the first thread please? n/t

[NNN0LHI]

2. I edited it into the first post at the bottom n/t

[JoFerret]

3. He should just be asked point blank

about what he did and did not do and made to answer the question. The press corps should just agree to push for an answer. After all - he does know. Why is the simplest way always impossible?

[billybob537]

4. Mainly because He lies

no answer he gives is believable.

[Catfight]

9. Under Oath though...he's a big liar!

[Ironpost]

5. I've learned that when a person won't give an honest and up front answer,

they generally have something to hide. The whole AWOL thing sounds like impeachable charges to me. just my two cents worth.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. I doubt it's impeachable

but I could be wrong.

[Jose Diablo]

7. Could there be a cocaine possession conviction

being hidden? Is a convicted felon eligible to be president?

[0007]

8. George W. Bush was arrested for possession and use of cocaine in 72.

[Catfight]

10. If you have the proof of this, I will gladly donate to run the copy of

the conviction in a full page ad of the NY Times, WSJ and any other newspaper in the country.

[truthisfreedom]

11. my my. i'd love to see that! thanks for putting up the offer!

lotsa dough!

[0007]

12. 'Tis common knowledge, but getting proof with thugs like these turd are

like jacking off a dead man. Maybe we should concentrate on getting junior's military records, 'eh?

[Jane Austin]

13. There's a story out there that he was arrested,

convicted by a judge and given community service at a center for underprivileged kids. Seems like the name was PULL, not to be confused with Jesse Jackson's PUSH.

Anyway, somewhere there is a record of his having "volunteered" at this center in Houston during the time he was awol.

[ShootingStarr4u]

17. "There's a story out there that he was arrested,"

<convicted by a judge and given community service at a center for underprivileged kids. Seems like the name was PULL, not to be confused with Jesse Jackson's PUSH.

Anyway, somewhere there is a record of his having "volunteered" at this center in Houston during the time he was AWOL.>

As Assistant Editor of OnlineJournal.com, many of you may know I've been investigating Nazi GWB since before the announcement he was contemplating running for Prez. I know the reason he performed the community service, the location, and why he was AWOL. I've been talking about this subject on radioleft.com for quite some time now. I've been in touch with several mainstream reporters who are working on this story, including two AP reporters who are suing to gain access to the microfiche. I am providing excellent guidance on how to uncover the proof I already know exists...

I have two excellent and unimpeachable sources who saw the official TNG records, including one witness who has come forward publicly that saw the documents in the trash after Dan Bartlett discarded documents in January 1997 at Camp Mabry, TNG HQ. What the Bushista's are so desperate to hide, most especially, is a two page disciplinary report signed by his commanding officer, LTC Jerry Killian, deeming him "unreliable" and grounding him for substance abuse.

At the time of the death of my dear friend, Jim Hatfield in July 2001, I was working with him on research that proved two felony drug arrests had occurred for possession of an illegal substance, over a pound of cocaine, which brought the added possible charges "with intent to distribute" because of the quantity. There was allegedly an arrest in Midland and another in Houston. I found the person who bailed him out of jail in one of the arrests for Jim Hatfield and gave him the information. I don't know what he did with it, or if he followed up as that was very shortly before his death. Jim's death devastated me and I have never worked on this again, though I've freely shared my research work with anyone who asked over the years.

There is another excellent book out about GWB titled "Ambushed" by Toby Rogers. Toby recently told me about death threats against him for publishing insider quotes of the man who sponsored GWB to become a member of Skull and Bones. "Ambushed" is another must read book if you want dirt on GWB. Go to http://www.ambushed.us/

There is another site, called "The AWOL Project" with most of the available documents...http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm. I hope you will all go see what is there and share it, because it just might mean the difference to military holdouts, why this man should be replaced.

And for those of you hoping and praying Cheney gets indicted before the election...consider how many criminals that Poppy pardoned shortly before leaving office after losing to Bill Clinton that are in the current administration. If Cheney is indicted before they leave office, GWB could pardon him, or any others such as Ken Lay??? Do we want them to go to jail or be pardoned? There will be nothing to stop him and he'll figure we'll forget in four years if he wants to run again. All of our energies must be focused on one thing - getting Kerry/Edwards elected, so we can go after the Bushista's criminally after the 2005 Inauguration.

Thanks.

[newyawker99]

20. Hi ShootingStarr4u!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[havocmom]

21. Wonderful info ShootingStarr4u

Thank you so very much!

[PaDUer]

22. THANK YOU!

Keep the info coming. Get the info to the right people now because we know they're planning something, especially since this article appeared today http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040713/D83Q5Q480.html ----CDC Ships "Chem-packs" for Preparation". We fear something's going to happen before the election and they're already making plans to cancel the election.

[wurzel]

14. Pay records are about the only way of proving "presence or absence."

Pay parade is not called a "parade' for nothing. You have to be there in person. He would have HAD to sign to get his pay. It is inconceivable that such records could be accidentally destroyed in peacetime.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. What about his bank accounts?

if he got a check then he deposited it somewhere? or could you be paid cash?

[PaDUer]

16. KICK..n/t

[wurzel]

18. He still has to sign a military record for payment.

A physical piece of paper.

[DemoTex]

23. Negative

After I became an officer, my paycheck was direct deposited to my commercial bank account. Even, and especially, while in Vietnam. I never signed anything for my pay after Basic and AIT.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. Could Bush have been paid cash?

Was that even possible?
Or is there a place where a GI can cash a check without having a bank account?

[trof]

28. Paid by U.S. treasury checks.

Like your tax refund, if you got one.
Never cash.
I would think treasury and IRS would have records.

[DemoTex]

30. In Basic Training we were paid in cash

The company commander sat there with his 45-cal strapped to his side while the XO paid the troops. To get paid you saluted the CO and XO, stated your name-rank-number, presented your military ID, and signed for the money. There were no other pay options in BT. Officers, however, were never paid in cash.

[NNN0LHI]

19. kick

[Tansy_Gold]

24. from a Buzzflash interview with James Moore

I happened to be rereading this lengthy interview this afternoon and the following jumped out at me. I marked it so I could post to this thread after I got home from work.

Moore is the author of "Bush's War for Reelection: Iraq, The White House, and The People."

URL from my original print-out: www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/04/int04021.html

<snip>

. . .The National Guard issue is not resolved. Those records off of the microfiche in St. Louis were shipped to General Danny James in Washington. they were all printed out and vetted by General James' office. They they were sent to the White House,a nd they were vetted by the White House. And then they did the Friday evening document dump on the reporters.

The reporters have accepted that as though it were the end of the issue. Even though they haven't seen all the documents, they haven't brought it up again. When anyone such as Dave Moniz at USA Today, who is consistently pursuing this story -- when he brings it up any more, he's told, "We've dealt with that issue, and we're not answering questions about it." Reporters, in this particular instance, ought to be saying, "Mr. President, we still haven't seen everything. Why don't you authorize a complete release of your microfiche, just like John McCain did, and we can put this issue to rest?"

The reason the President won't do that is becaue there's damning information within the microfiche printed documents. Yet reporters ahve decided that that news cycle is over. That story has gone away and they've moved on.

<end snip, my emphasis>

This interview is dated 26 April 2004, over two months ago. If the microfiche had been destroyed, why didn't that information come out at the time of the initial document dump?

Microfiche records don't disintegrate in 20 years; these are US government records, for crying out loud, not the archives of the Steuben Republican (the little weekly newspaper in my husband's hometown). Any public library will have microfiches and microfilm records not only of source documents that are 100+ years old, but the microfiches themselves are 20, 30, 40 years old.

Now, I wonder what would happen if someone came forward, a woman, perhaps, who was a fourteen or fifteen year old girl in Alabama just about the time Lt. Bush was allegedly serving his country in the TANG . . . . . And maybe she can account for some of his "missing" time. . . . Do you suppose his records might just miraculously appear?

I hate these booshies with a passion. They are lying sacks of chickenshit, and there ain't nothin' smells worse'n chickenshit. Not hog slop, not dog poop. Chicken guano, that's what they are.


Tansy Gold

[PaDUer]

25. KICK...n/t

[Dirty Hippie]

27. This from Capitol Hill Blue

The military doesn’t have backup? The same military that does everything in triplicate can’t find a backup? The same military that, weeks earlier, told Associated Press Associate General Counsel Dave Tomlin that the records existed, both in paper form and on microfilm?


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4824.shtml

[colonel odis]

29. if bush was arrested for coke

where are the cops who arrested him? the judge that sentenced him? the jurors who convicted him? the prosecutor? his defense attorney? the people in that attorney's office who did research? they can't ALL be either dead or unwilling to speak up.

as far as his tang service goes ..... who is it, garry trudeau? who offered a reward to anyone saying they served with bush? that makes a great news release that the press picks up for a couple of days, but why not run an ad on tv offering it? who not buy banner ads online? why not do a direct mail campaign soliciting people who served with bush to come forward?

this stuff is just going to die if it doesn't come into a brighter and wider light. then our children will read in college textbooks about some asswipe who was re-elected despite "unproven allegations" about his cocaine convictions and lack of guard service.

and if he was convicted for coke .... wouldn't that make him a felon? can felons serve as president? if his rights were reinstated, wouldn't that have been done officially? wouldn't something exist in a public record somewhere?