CNN -- Bush Plane Troubles

[Khephra]

Mechanical failure again.

He's flying back to DC in a different jet.

[aden_nak]

1. Those Government jets just ain't as reliable as the Enron ones, eh George?

[natrat]

76. i got an idea

howsabout getting asscrack's mechanic to work on it. You know, the one he had working on Sen. Wellstone's plane

[uhhuh]

2. Probably

Gave the maintenance contracts for Air Force One to halliburton.

[sniffa]

3. it's aLL staged

this is aLL staged.. the president just wants to suck a few sympathy points in the poLLs. bLame aL queda!

[CatWoman]

4. sniffa

I've always wanted to ask -- why are all your "l's" capitalized?

[Occulus]

6. He never answers that question.

:)

[Trajan]

9. That one is easy ...

Broken keyboard .. 'L' is stuck in shift ...

[sendero]

23. The way keyboards work...

... it would be an incredibly rare failure mode for one key to stick in shift. Not impossible, but almost. :)

[sniffa]

24. i answered

[regnaD kciN]

69. That must be a very strange keyboard...

Virtually every one I'm familiar with only reads whether the "l" key is up or down, then the O.S. combines that with whether or not the shift key is down to decide the case of the incoming character. In which case, the only way you could get an inadvertant capital-L would be if the shift key were stuck, which would of course mean that EVERY OTHER KEY WOULD BE CAPITALIZED AS WELL.

For the record, which brand keyboard are you using?

[sniffa]

19. not true

i've answered it pLenty of times - if i didn't answer a query, it's because i didn't see it, or obviousLy i don't Like you. (j/k)

aLthough sometimes i don't answer out of annoyance: the fact that peopLe aren't even responding to my posts but asking about the 'L's.

the 'L' thing: it's more or Less just a marker; if you see this styLe of writing eLsewhere onLine, it's usuaLLy me (aLthough i've had my share of staLkers). many moons ago (maybe 2 years ago, give or take) i was pissed when a few things i had written (short satire) were being passed off with out crediting me. i can't stop that, but i can make my text extremeLy distinguishabLe; and if they want to change the text for proper speLLing/capitaLization, it'LL take some work to do so (not much, but enough to be an annoyance).
that's what started it, and now it's just a force of habit.

the reason i chose 'L' - before i was aware that there were LiberaL sites i couLd join, i mostLy hung out on sports, music, porn, gambLing, etc websites - and i seemed to be the onLy american LiberaL drowning in a sea of freepers. the 'L' was my shout out to the other LiberaLs who were just too timid/ambivaLent/whatever to fight back.

i think i covered it aLL.

[Mika]

61. That's totaLLy cooL

That’s cooL. I’ve seen your posts and aLways wondered the same thing, aLthough I had my LittLe suspicions.

Thanks for the expLanation.

I'LL Look out for the marker of your posts more frequentLy.

[Norquist Nemesis]

71. I got it!

At least that was what I was guessing at the from the very first post of yours that I read. Of course, I'm rather cryptic myself. GMTA!!!

[tandot]

14. I always assumed the capitalized L stands for Liberal or Lefty

but then, it could be L as in Liars (Bush) or Losers (Bush) or Lunatics (Bush) ...?

[billybob537]

15. Check your e-mail.

Sorry catwoman that was for sniffa

[jean]

7. hmm, does he speak in uppercase L's? LLLLLaaa LLa LLa?

[CatWoman]

13. LOL

Don't mind me, I'm just being nosey :D

[pinniped]

37. Thanks for posting what I was gonna say.

:toast:

It has surely been tried before.

The idiot allegedly fell off his tricycle a month or two ago in a failed attempt to garner sympathy points. Though some may say he really fell off the wagon. I dunno.

[jean]

5. Maybe they'll fake a sabotage of Air Force One to really scare

the pants off us.

bush could come right out and tell us to keep flying to Disneyland, keep spending money but just to be safe we're going to delay the November elections.

On second thought, this would be even more reprehensible than usual for them since it would impact the entire airline industry.

Honestly, my sanity is being sorely strained by these thugs.

[notadmblnd]

16. They're desparate.

And at this point I would put nothing past them. This entire administration haqs been nothing more than a "Staged Event".

[Thor_MN]

65. With their records of screw ups?

Even if they don't admit them publicly, they HAVE to know what a bunch of cheneyups they have been. If these idiots were willing to give you a $3 billion no bid contract in exchange for a faked attempt on your life, would you risk it? How are you going to collect if they hold true to record? I can't imagine them faking an attempt on their own lives, but wouldn't doubt for a second that they would be willing to screw with someone else's flight.

[zbdent]

8. I want him alive so that he can watch his Residency,

not his plane,

go down in flames.

[jean]

10. oh you're are so mean! Don't you know you're hurting his feelings

just like that nasty NAACP?

[zbdent]

18. If you ever knew my history

then you'd understand why I have little sympathy for "the beautiful people".

And I'm not talking about my DU experiences.

One of the least "underdog" situations I have had in my life is that I am a transplanted Steelers fan smack dab in the middle of Browns territory.

Nothing "tragic" in my life, but a lot of the "populars" made my life torture, but the initial cause was me, so I do shoulder the initial responsibility.

Cheney him.

[jean]

21. I'm teasing you and will cheerfully watch his admin go downdowndown!

[zbdent]

25. just stating the facts.

And you would understand that I would be happy to see him lose by a massive margin.

[jean]

27. When that happens, my eyes will be temporarily blind from the tears of joy

[Malva Zebrina]

11. shame that I look on everything connected to Bush as a lie

I still think, somewhere along the line, a faked assassination attack on Bush will be staged--all as part of the propaganda to manipulate the people with stealth and lies.

I read Anthony Summers Arrogance of Powera couple of years ago, After reading it,I thought Nixon pure, unmitigated evil. I now think-he was a mere baby compared to George Walker Bush and Dick Cheney. I do hope we get another well written book about this regime similar to that one after this pair is kicked out of the White House, that would expose, without mercy, every evil thing Bush ever did from day one after he was appointed our President by his friends . This not conservative Republicanism; this evil cannot even be attributed to that political view. It is sheer and utter constant evil oozing from their minds and mouths.

[aquart]

20. If Cheney were YOUR Veep, would YOU go along

with a "fake" assassination attempt? I mean, so many possible slips...

[chimpy the poopthrower]

44. faked assassination attempt --

Shades of "Bob Roberts"? :)

[redwitch]

12. What if the "powers that be"

Think Georgie has become a liability? What if they don't want to just dump Cheney???

[notadmblnd]

22. i don't think it's just cheney either..

But I don't think that bush is a real target (in the sense that "the powers that be") would want to take out like that. I think the law is strong enough to do the job and the wheels are slowley grinding. They want to take him out legally.

[havocmom]

42. Yep, beware the dark horse candidate with not enough time

to wage a campaign against him. The powers that be are floating the possibility of canceling elections, nothing is off the table for these guys who want to remain in power. There are still laws to be changed and pensions to finish robbing. There are resources to lock up and people to lock out! To that aim, anybody would be expendable.

[Rose Siding]

17. Dang! If this keeps up...

he'll have to take off the entire month of August so all the planes can be repaired.

Vacation, all I ever wanted
Vacation, time to get away!

[davsand]

26. No way I'd fly if the CIA was mad at me!

I relize I may have watched too many spy films as a kid, but there is NO WAY I'd get on a plane if I'd peeved the CIA by outing an agent or publicly discrediting intel efforts.

I hear stuff like this and I wonder--Hmm, WHAT IF????


Laura

[fob]

28. Boy, the mediawhores will do anything NOT to publish the headline

bush* PLAME troubles - Leadership failure again.

[jayfish]

35. Awwwww... You Beat Me To it.

I was ready for some juicy Plame revelations and feverishly clicked on the thread. Just goes to show how starved we are for information in this country.

Jay

[DeepModem Mom]

29. I've lived through several admins, and never heard of trouble with AF1 --

this is weird. And it's indicative of the place we find ourselves, that my mind immediately begins trying to figure out if these people are up to something.

ON EDIT: I stand corrected by a family member who thinks he recalls AF1 having to remain in Little Rock a few days for repair, while President Clinton returned to DC on another plane. Still, he thought at least two recent incidents was unusual.

[Khephra]

30. This is at least the second time that he's had plane troubles

I'm actually pretty sure it's the third time, to tell you the truth.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. FratBoy may have pissed off the Air Force One maintenance crew.

[napi21]

48. Naw. I think we just never heard of them before.

My son is a maintenence tech for one of the major carriers. Most problems are fairly insignificant, like a backup warning light not working. It is still SOP to ground the plane until everything is operational.

Remember, we are talking about a piece of equipment here. Problems occur, and are fixed.

There are several aircraft that are painted to function as AF1. The most expedient was to get the flight underway is to use an alternate one.

I really don't know why we've never heard of these things with AF1 in the past. I suspect some reporter got an inside contact, OR one of the networks finally got ticked off enough that it's no holds barred with the shrub!

[Kadie]

31. Again?

hmmm

[Name removed]

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[Khephra]

34. Bush Air Force One Plane Problem Forces Switch

OAK RIDGE, Tenn. (Reuters) - President Bush was forced to switch planes on Monday when a mechanical problem was found on his regular Air Force One 747 jet.

A White House official said the undefined mechanical issue was noticed while the plane was on the ground at McGhee Tyson Air National Guard Base in Knoxville after carrying the president and his entourage to eastern Tennessee.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=5646952

[The Animator]

36. I think the Plane itself just doesn't like him.

It has been transporting United States Presidents all it's life, so it recognizes leadership when it sees it. Having been forced, for the last four years, to cart around this jackass pretending to be President must rankle it a bit.

I'm actually waiting for the report of Secret Service agents busting into the Presidential Bedroom, to see the Ghost of Abraham Lincoln strangling Dubya in his sleep.

[goclark]

38. They are just trying to sober him up

before he arrives at his next location.

I saw him on TV this morning and he looked supper stupid.
Don't know if that was after or before the plane malfunction.

[DoYouEverWonder]

46. Ding, ding. You win

What, I don't know but you got the right answer.

W's plane broke down last week too. Gee what a coincidence. If anyone hasn't noticed, he has been making very few appearances and looks and sounds like shit when he does.

I don't think it AF1 that got mechanical problem, more likely it's W.

[Jim Sagle]

52. "Supper stupid" indeed. In his case , it must've been a liquid supper.

[DeepModem Mom]

53. Loved your theory, Animator -- read it to the whole family! n/t

[Langtree]

74. That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on DU ...

</p><blockquote><b>"It has been transporting United States Presidents all it's life, so it recognizes leadership when it sees it.<b> Having been forced, for the last four years, to cart around this jackass pretending to be President must rankle it a bit."</blockquote><p>

Are you now attributing reason to an inanimate object (Air Force One)?

In fact, this whole thread is really rather silly, don't you think? Commercial aircraft have maintenance issues from the time they first roll out at Boeing or Airbus until the day they are "retired" from flying. In the past, they (the press) may not have considered this a story, and now they do. The president has access to 2 Boeing 747-400 aircraft. When one needs maintenance, the other becomes "Air Force One". In the past, they (the press) may not have considered this a story, and now they do.

Just because you can't stand Bush doesn't mean the airplane hates him, too. Asserting such claptrap makes for an irrational argument, and it's tripe like this that leads so many people to think DU isn't a forum for serious political discussion!

[leftofthedial]

39. beats admitting that no one wants him to visit

and no one shows up when he does unless they are paid to be there.

he's probably having problems with his "medications" and needs to go home to Condi.

[Catfight]

40. It should read: " Bush PLAME problems," are a more serious threat!

[truthisfreedom]

41. what are the chances of this?

what's really going on?

[Gin]

45. has anyone else ever heard of airforce 1 problems like this in the past?

I haven't.....g

[lojasmo]

51. Nope

Of course nobody ever used unsubstantiated threats to scare the American people in the months before an election either.

[truthisfreedom]

56. do you suppose it's just general paranoia on the part of everyone working

with/around bush, or do you suppose it's a way for him to set up unscheduled meetings and evade the press knowing what is on his agenda on those days that he is flying around?

i'm guessing he's using these delays/problems as a subterfuge for clandestine meetings with his real handlers. the people who have been pulling the strings all along... the guys who punched him out when he displeased them (the pretzel incident, and perhaps the "boil" or whatever it was under the bandaid). everything about the bush cartel points to organized crime thuggery. the boldness especially... it's just enough to give me a stomachache every time some new piece of crap thing comes to light, like this plan to "delay" (read "cancel") the election using one of bushco's own to make the decision.

think about this. why has bush spent literally 40% of his time at the ranch? because he doesn't have to account for whomever he is meeting out there. they zoom up in rented limos, past guards who keep no records of who is going in or out, and nothing is recorded and there are no witnesses that aren't part of bush's closest inner circle or family.

why would he need to have meetings like this 40% of the time while in office, away from any recordkeeping? what is he hiding? who is he meeting? who does he talk with on the phone, with no record of any calls being officially kept because he's on private property?

[dflprincess]

57. Problems with Bush's plane make

the Carnahan and Wellstone crashes look less suspicious.

[lojasmo]

60. Hell no it doesn't

Not to me, anyway.

[dflprincess]

67. Not to me either

In my post I should have noted I had the sarcasm on. It wasn't until I read what you posted that I realized how what I said could be taken.

[Ganja Ninja]

43. It isn't nice to screw with the CIA.

Maybe they're doing a little maintenance on his plane as payback for the Plame outing and for putting the blame for his Iraq debacle on them.

[elehhhhna]

47. probably took a lightning hit---

up in the air, closer to God, easier to aim a big thunderbolt, etc.

Or they'd forgotten to restock the bar...

[CBHagman]

49. I was nowhere near that plane!

At least that's my story.

:evilgrin:

[lojasmo]

50. Time for a new AF1

along with the 1.6 billion he wants to pay for Marine 1

[Zorra]

54. Maybe the neocons have decided that their best strategy for victory

in the November election is martyrdom.

To neocons, everyone and everything is expendable, and they have directly stated that loss of human life and public financial well-being are not a consideration to them regarding their agenda of achieving world domination.

[AlFrankenFan]

55. Ain't this the second time?

Someone wants to get him, if ya know what I mean.

[theHandpuppet]

58. Isn't this the NEW AF1?

Maybe they should have retained the old one -- this new one appears to be a lemon! Or perhaps the plane is just balking at the load it's being forced to carry.

[Lex]

59. Is Cheney trying to "Wellstone" Dubya? Has anyone let him near AF One?

Just a thought . . .

[SheepyMcSheepster]

62. I have figured it out! the reason he keeps having plane troubles is.....

because when the news breakss about the indictments related to the valerie plame outing, they are hoping people will misread "bush plame troubles" as "bush plane troubles" and just pass it off as no big deal as he has been having plane troubles for quite sometime.

you see they are looking into the "plame inivestigation" to find out why the president keeps having "plame" troubles. i sure hope they get to the bottom of it so they can get the president's plame running again!

har har. :silly:

[barbaraann]

63. Air Force One is protected by FAA TFR, but Dem planes aren't

When the President's plane lands there is a 30 nautical mile Temporary Flight Restriction for other aircraft but not for Kerry or Edwards. That may be changed but as of now only Air Force One is protected by a TFR.


http://www.faasafety.gov/notices/2004-Jul/12_Plane_Talk_v2i2_NM000022.pdf

(see page 4)

[Lisa]

64. posted earlier -- he wore it out campaigning!

He's flown around to fundraisers more than any other President, hasn't he?

[Zech Marquis]

66. hey *!

I think Karma's trying to tell you something :evilgrin:

[DeepModem Mom]

68. New article posted in GD2004: problems on 2 planes, both left wings!

Yahoo article posted by zulchzulu:

OAK RIDGE, Tenn. - A left-wing conspiracy? On Monday, a flap on the wing of Air Force One left its track, forcing President Bush (news - web sites) to return from Oak Ridge, Tenn., in a smaller presidential plane, a Boeing 757 rather than the 747 he arrived in.

Just over a week earlier, on the Fourth of July, a problem with an engine starter valve on the wing of his plane — this time a 757 — delayed Bush's departure from Hagerstown, Md. Another plane from the presidential fleet was flown in from Andrews Air Force Base to take him on to West Virginia.

Two different planes. Two different wings. Both times they were left wings.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&u=/ap/20040712/ap_on_go_pr_wh/president_s_plane_4&printer=1

[ms.smiler]

70. It wouldn't surprise me if Poppy took care of Junior...

for the good of the "family."

[CreekDog]

72. Bush may not be the nominee this year...

He's up to his shoulders in scandals and problems.

This is why McCain is playing good soldier. If it all falls apart, and there would be so much bloodletting, he is waiting in the wings to offer the Republicans a victory, perhaps with McCain/Powell. McCain didn't suddenly warm his heart to George Bush in a matter of months, he is playing this oh so smart.

But the Republicans just might prefer to lose than have the ideological (and ethical) shift that would happen with President McCain. However, the moderate Republicans, all 37 of them, would cheer.

It's the Democratic nightmare maker, that's true.

I don't know about my track record though. I thought Bush should pick Quayle in '88 and that Ron Reagan Jr. should speak at the Dem convention after his performance at the funeral (but I was in a lot of good company on that).

Now for the novel.

[merh]

73. Is Jenna still traveling with him? I mean if you have him & her

and a bad morning after too much alcohol consumption, it could be they screwed up (and stunk up) the faciities and no one can stomache being on the plane.

[CreekDog]

75. Bush was drunk, so they had to take away his keys

He wanted to take AF1 for a spin

[Drifter]

77. As Bill Cosby used to reminder his children ...

(as part of his comedy)

I brought you into this world, I can take you out.

God chose AWOL to be pResident, he can take him anytime he likes.

Cheers
Drifter