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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:06 AM
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Neocon Philosopher Fukuyama says No Bush, Resign Rumsfeld
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20040714&hn=10372

Fukuyama Withdraws Bush Support

Famous academic Francis Fukuyama, one of the founding fathers of the neo-conservative movement that underlies the policies of US President George W. Bush's administration, said on July 13 that he would not vote for the incumbent in the November 2 US Presidential election.

In addition to distancing himself from the current administration, Fukuyama told TIME magazine that his old friend, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, should resign.

In 1997, Fukuyama together with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush, signed a declaration entitled 'The New American Century Project'. That declaration set the groundwork for the neo-conservative movement.

Fukuyama began to distance himself from the administration during the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. The tension between the two came to a head prior to the invasion of Iraq. Fukuyama opposed the war.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:11 AM
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1. ???
Fuck who??!?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:14 AM
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8. yo mama! LOL!
Would love to hear Boo$h pronounce that one.


p.s. I love that pic!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:15 AM
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2. Brain dead
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 08:16 AM by MichiganVote
In the article he is quoted as being an originator of the New American Century Project. And the article states,

"He added that he has an important place among the right wing and could affect the outcome of the elections; however, he explained that he would not carry out any studies in that direction because he is not eager to fight with 'old friends'."

If this guy is soooooo smart how come he cannot admit, like the others, to underestimating the resolve and resources of terror groups. Most of whom purport themselves as religious revolutionaries against non-Islamic states.

Big heads, little attention to details, that's the safest summary of the "New" (but useless) American (sorta) Century (millenium)
Project(turdpile)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:47 AM
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5. He wrote perhaps THE stupidest book ever...
"The End of History", using Hegelian mumbo-jumbo to try to pretend that the advent of Reagan meant that pretty much nothing ever was going to happen anymore anywhere that would be in any way remarkable....

It's worth glancing at, because it's hard to believe that anyone would put such palpable nonsense on a page and MEAN it.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 11:14 AM
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13. didn't mean that nothing was going to happen....
Fukuyama's argument was that the advent of liberal democracy meant the end of the struggle between powerful people and little people.

Of course, I read it years before PNAC, and I'm still stunned that he veered so far to the right.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 11:25 AM
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15. Yes, that was Fukuyama's argument
Churchill is supposed to have characterized some argument floated in his lifetime as "an idea so stupid only an intellectual could have thought of it." This could be applied to Fukuyama's The End of History.

See post number 12, below.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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6. The "terrorism threat" is a con job enacted on you by these very people
THEY are the terrorists. The only terrorists you need to fear are the ones in the WH.
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:19 AM
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3. So is he admitting to being a terrorist?
(snip) "He added that he has an important place among the right wing and could affect the outcome of the elections;"
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:34 AM
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4. dupe~
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:52 AM
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7. Maybe I'm paranoid...
but maybe this is just an attempt to distance Bush from the PNAC.

:shrug:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:23 AM
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10. i think it is damage control;
will the neocons disapear when bush is replaced?
will they be arrested or anything like that?

will they wait for another oportunity?
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:21 AM
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9. Anyone know why he of all people opposed the war?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:24 AM
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11. "good cop/bad cop" ? n/t
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 11:01 AM
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12. This was discussed in another thread last night
I remarked that I was surprised that Dr. Fukuyama would take such a stand, although hardly displeased. I was also unaware that Dr. Fukuyama opposed the invasion of Iraq; it is noted in the article that he opposed the invasion for many of the same reasons that many of us on the Left did.

The End of History is a dreadful book. Disputing Marx is no reason to embrace Hegel. On the contrary, Marx offered more rational explanations for historical phenomenon than did Hegel; class struggle is a more useful mechanism to explain history than Hegel's absolute idea. Given that, it is impossible to agree with Dr. Fukuyama that the end of the Cold War was a final victory for global capitalism and what he calls democracy; I would dispute the denoting of the political system that he describes as ideal with the word democracy. A system such as global capitalism that is based on institutionalized inequality does not end class warfare. I agree with Naomi Klein that, although we progressives hardly can embrace Osama bin Laden's Islamic fascism, the September 11 attacks can be read as a refutation of Fukuyama's main thesis.
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 11:22 AM
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14. Historical Theories
Historical Theories that try to explain everything in the end eventually explain nothing. The only true idea I have ever read regarding world history is that empires always end. Assyrian, Greek, Roman, Spanish, British all have been relegated to the cuisinart of history, churned up and chopped into little pieces.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 11:26 AM
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16. True
I don't completely agree with Marx, either. I am only saying that he offers something better than Hegel and that Fukuyama's thesis is foolish.
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